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Days ago a person asked why my to me you complete pages nonsingle speak of Nagualismo and Chamanismo.

There are several reasons, first, I cannot speak too much of the Nagualismo, because the Nagualismo is based on Facts and nonwords; I will make a small summary but in front of some of the techniques that were taught to me, but not of all, first because some can extremely be dangerous if it has not had the previous training and physical, mental and emotional health necessary, and second, because the majority corresponds to facts and intuitive perceptions.

Most of the people has two or but areas of capacities. I cite one conversation that I had the week last with a friend:

[ Nagual ] This is a just a little bit difficult subject, you I am going it to explain of a way ridiculous, but instructive.

[ Nagual ] Some people begins to study a profession, we say, medicine, and they decide suddenly that he is not his, and they leave it and they go to engineering, and they decide that it has much mathematical one, and of here they go to letters, for example.

[ Nagual ] Those people is apprentices of everything and officials of anything because they do not have commitment and DO NOT FINISH anything.

[ Nagual ] Now we suppose that the person studies medicine in serious, almost finishes it, and of here one goes to engineering. Their two branches of knowledge would allow to design apparatuses to maintain the devices him alive, for example.

[ Nagual ] What passes with people like your friend and I, is that we got to dominate 3 or 4 disciplines at masters level, and of all the others we have certain idea; the sincretismo is when it give account you that SOMETHING THAT YOU DID NOT STUDY and YOU DO NOT KNOW WELL, has such results/principles, for example, I do not know of mechanics but my medicine knowledge are the sufficiently ample thing to apply them " to regenerate " the health of the car.

[ Friend ] To already I see, but joining the 2 methods aids more no?

[ Exact Nagual ]. on the other hand " all the screw drivers is not used for the same screw ", some methods do not work in some cases, for that reason it is necessary to know several.


For practical aims we suppose that each person who studies a way arrives mainly at the level that their capacity and intelligence allow him, and, the amount of energy that she has available. In the specific case of the Nagual, three basic characteristicses are had:

  • Great amounts of energy
  • The Nagual Act. He does not dream.
  • The shade (the shade of the Nagual. Will treat but ahead in the Link)

Starting off of these premises, a Nagual has great reserves of energy, reason why in a while given it must cross different disciplines and Ways to act and to think, that in terms of Castaneda "Positions of the embroider point" are called, following certain positions but time that others, causes that after all it obtains greater or smaller facility, experience and power in each one of them. Although this depends to finish the corresponding way.

Nevertheless, many " wizards ", " warriors ", " hunters " and " Naguales " are themselves impelled by the incapacity to pay the price of the real world, whereas a true wizard finds in the real world the elements of the magic.

Within the line that it trained to me, all the Naguales except for an exception has reached the masters in three or four disciplines at least, until which they have gotten to dominate but of twelve.

Ever since the " speeds of the world " have increased, the techniques to face have changed it, as of 1817, time of the death in combat of the Nagual Enrique Rivera, Mexico has had access although late to the searches or " cycles of the hero " at world-wide level, those that have had an affinity relation have been studied before the training in greater or smaller degree, and retaken years later until arriving at the masters degree, in the sense of dominion and absolute control on that branch of the knowledge.

According to the observations made by Juana Topete in 1990, these were the characteristics of the three naguales that she knew:

Nagual Previous Disciplines Occupation when the change World-wide influence Later disciplines Talent
Andrés Commerce, psychology, real estate Heir ex- Porfirista property 25 years

Cristeros

Glad 20's

Communications I transport

Kant, Plato

Investments /

Resistance to the punishment

Rafael Compared religion, buddhism, sintoísmo Catholic priest, 30 years

Pre Hippismo pre Alan Watts

Mac Carthy

Teosofía, Heidegger

Henry Miller

To calm and natural cure

Alfonso Gurdjieff, Rodney Collin, Colin Wilson Student accounting and Kung Fu 17 years

Technological changes / corruption

Ritual magic, Programming (italic is mine)

Separation of Centers / Critical Mind

On the basis of the previous panel why is understood all the talks of the Nagual Rafael were colored by the catholic religion, and because the explanations of the Nagual Andrés had a noticeable psychological direction; in my case which I write it is influenced by my times of student and Gurdjieff.

Why are followed several disciplines, and nonsingle the Nagualismo? The Nagualismo is itself a life way, includes a series of perfectly useless knowledge in the world of every day except for risk of calling the attention and exterminated being; the additional disciplines are tools to create a place or explanation in the world that allows to open the horizons, and at the same time justifies before normal people the way of life of the Nagual, is a " mask " that allows to act freely in the days of crisis; however, during the time of my training in Martial Arts much was used a term that explains why is not advisable to leave the previous knowledge, although is apparently not related, that point of view explains the problem with much clarity, and can consult in the Link the shade of the warrior / the warrior of the shadow

The only Nagual without apparent training of that I have the news is Enrique Rivera, that it deserted of the Spanish Army to be united to the Insurgents. Its military file like ability can be considered, but I have the feeling that always was a Black Ewe, nonsingle for Spain, but for the world, until it killed its superior one when this it violated a Creole.

Many of the actions of Rivera are extremely strange; he arrived at Mexico at the beginning of 1811, becoming Nagual in that year or 1812; he was not considered worthy to receive " the blessing that torments ", and looked for the.redemption and to pay the price through the independence war, thinking to return later, clean of spots and with the forehead in stop.

In 1817 he was captured trying to defend to Francisco Javier Mina, youth friend, and was dead to bayonet blows during the battle. His son, Guadalupe, grew with the teacher of his Father, becoming 1839 in Nagual by own right.

Each Nagual has certain ways to act, same that correspond to their time, the Nagual is characterized by its search of the unknown, with all the instruments that it has to his reach. Nevertheless, each one of its acts is directed to an aim that is of personal type, same that usually has to do with an abstract ideal; the Nagual Andrés did everything reason why it called " freedom of creed ", the Nagual Rafael, reason why it called " the spirit of the man ", and I, reason why it is Justice.

I believe that it is worth the trouble to mention pieces of chat of weeks ago with a beautiful lady, that I believe is applicable


They initiate fragments of chat

The Nagualismo, the chess, the tarot, the letters, etc etc etc, are single instruments to obtain an aim, when you have an aim, you use each part of your knowledge to obtain it.

If I were not in the Nagualismo, i remain looking for justice, and that could do it of many ways; the only thing which it changes is the instrument, that can be to go from reaching to understand the reasons of the world seeing a dog of taking water, to entering of volunteer in Kosovo, all the actions single becomes an instrument.

It is.... the magic is the assembly of personal instruments, forged in the pain and joy to reach with them an understanding of the reason of being.

That although had not been born where I am, or that if my mother were servant to me, they would be in my the same thirst, the same fury and the same peace, because this comes from out the time, as a species of I crawl of what go out of the fundamental soup centuries of millenia back.

What triggers the change to the " noble beast ", is that to contact himself with I of makes million years, and that background, that bottom, little by little is creating something but that power of million of seconds, because it is a way that does not have aim, as like the eternity is something static, something that disheartens to us, the infinite this here, hoping that we take the sky by assault.

Fragments of chat finish


In some point of my way I got to ask himself if justice exists. The training has taught to me throughout the years that are possible to create justice in small amounts, but is necessary to work hard, to fight well and to use a great wisdom to produce although it is a small amount.


Alfonso Orozco - May 1999
ICQ 41907900