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Recently I was informed that I have insinuated that the LCRCC Executives spend money unapproved, that they don't read or follow constitutions, bylaws, or Robert's Rules of Order.
I had NO idea that I was guilty of being so vague
So I feel I must correct this Error,
I "Insinuate" nothing
I categorically STATE that the Executives have spent money unapproved,
That they don't read or follow constitutions, bylaws, or Robert's Rules of Order.
Well maybe the did read some of Robert's Rules of Order but then they decided to ignore what was said and create their own version.
So in an attempt to remove the charge of being an insinuator from my character let me state for the record.
That I am willing, with the proviso that David Chung acts as moderator,
To meet with any portion, in part ie Executive Committee or whole, of the Linn County Central Committee.
And specify what portion of the County Constitution, the By Laws or Robert's Rules of Order have been violated breached or broken.
I am prepared to state which Sections of the County Counstitution, ByLaws and the page numbers in Robert's Rules of Order 11th Edition Newly Revised contain the rules that have been flaunted
I am also prepared to NAME the persons who committed these offenses and when this occurred.
And where I have stated that the Body was told from the podium things that were Not True.
I am prepared to show the proof of that and the proof that SOME of the Executive Board DID have prior knowledge that what was stated to the Body was the opposite of the Truth
I am fully prepared to also present EVIDENCE that is in the Public Record that when One Member of the Committee attempted to bring the fact that a claim made by the Executife Board was not in Fact True that they were Shut Down.
Insinuate?
I think not,
It would appear that one of the more important items during May's Meeting of the LCRCC that took precedence over even discussion of the Caucuses was
I have given the List Presented by the Executive Committee
Linn County Central Committee MeetingMay 19, 2015Motion for Rules of DecorumOfficial rules of decorum are to ensure that members and officers of the LCRCC shall at all times conduct themselves in a manner that reflects creditably on the LCRCC. The intent is to provide an atmosphere where members debate actions and issues before them in an efficient and collegial manner, showing respect for each other and to the institution.Members must stand while speaking, and address the Chair with their remarks.Conversations and other remarks which may interrupt the civil, orderly conduct of the meeting, or the ability of other members to participate in proceedings, are prohibited.Personal attacks on any member of the body are prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, name-calling, unfounded allegations of wrong doing, or unsupported accusations of malcontent or misfeasance.Charts and exhibits are allowed during debate to the extent that they inform members. Charts or exhibits that demean the body or any member thereof are prohibited, and any member may object to the use of a chart or exhibit.No speaker shall be interrupted except by procedure specifically authorized by Roberts Rules of Order or other provisions of the governing documents of thebody.Members should avoid impugning the motives of another member, using offensive language, or otherwise uttering words which may be deemed unparliamentary. Unparliamentary speech shall include, but is not limited to, thefollowing:Defaming or degrading the bodyImpugning the motives of another memberCharging falsehood or deceptionReferences to race, creed, or prejudiceCharges related to loyalty or patriotism
With something like this one of my rules is look at the end.
If there are any small print suprises that is where they will usually show up
And Yes Siree there they ARE
Charging falsehood or deception
Note the difference between THAT and
unfounded allegations of wrong doing, or unsupported accusations of malcontent or misfeasance.
When you drop the unfounded or the unsupported it makes quite a bit of difference
So I guess it is OK to Lie and Decieve but pointing that Out is Just Not Done?
But that DOES fit in with recent events
We have seen Our County Constitution Violated with No Repercusionos
We have seen Our By Laws Breached with No Repercusions
We have seen multiple incidents of Fraudulent Voting with No Repercusions
We have seen the Chair and the Executive Committee Rush the Body into Hasty Decisions with Statements that were not True
Heard those same Statements over and over again and when the Chair was presented with the truth we were simply told that
The Executive Committee would take a Direct Reading of Robert's Rules of Order 11th Edition Newly Revised
Under Advisement and Investigate it?
Like they Could NOT simply lift up the Book and Read it themselves at that time?
But then that also fits in with a Parliamentarian who cannot read the last paragraph of the Duties of Parliamentarians in page 467 of Robert's Rules of Order 11th Edition Newly Revised
So all these flagrant violations of our Constitution, By Laws and Rules of Order are just passed over?
But if someone should be Rude?
By GOD we are going to
CALL DOWN THE WRATH OF THE ALMIGHTY!
AND SMITE THEM WITH THE RIGHTEOUS SWORD OF DECORUM!!
Now in truth I really am all for Decorum but I do think in this case the priorities are WAY backwards
How would a Man like Ted Cruz react to being told there were Republicans that thought following their Constitution and ByLaws was optional if they thought it got in the Way of Electing Republicans
Or that fraudulent voting was acceptable if your intentions were pure?
I mean that man really does stand for the Constitution and Against Voting Fraud.
Does anyone really believe he would want people who would do what is listed above to represent him?
The TRUTH is we have in our Leadership those who have trampled on the Principles Republicans Stand for, have misled the Body, Shattered our Rule of Law
And now they want us not to cause a scene about it.
That is what their Decorum Rules are about.
They are nothing more than a Gag Order
I was wondering if motions that had
passed
during a previous Executive boards rein,
do
these carry over to the new presiding
officers? Do motions bind the hands
of a new body after an election? I would
thing by-law changes would but I am
uncertain about motions?
The Great Motion Expiration Swindle
Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:37 AM
I was wondering if motions that had passed during a previous Executive boards rein, do these carry over to the new presiding officers? Do motions bind the hands of a new body after an election? I would thing by-law changes would but I am uncertain about motions?
Can someone advise and reference where it may or may not support the expunging of previous sessions passed motions?
Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:45 AM
"Unless an adopted main motion specifies a time for the termination of its effect, it continues in force until it is rescinded." (RONR 11th ed., p. 111, ** footnote)
Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:57 AM
jknox65, on 28 Jan 2015 - 08:37 AM, said:
Do motions bind the hands of a new body after an election?
No. The board is free to rescind (or otherwise amend) motions previously adopted by the board (assuming, of course, that the actions authorized by the motions have not been completed). There is no "expunging".
It's best not to think of "the old board" and "the new board". It's just "the board" (with occasional changes in membership).
Everything I know about RONR I learned from Mr. Mountcastle. And everything he knows about RONR he learned from this forum.
Posted 28 January 2015 - 01:51 PM
No, they don't bind the hands of a future body any more than they bind the hands of the current body.
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Unless otherwise indicated, responses are based upon the current edition of RONR as of the date of posting. The rules in your bylaws supersede those in RONR.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -Margaret Mead
"Unless an adopted main motion specifies a time forthe termination of its effect, it continues in force untilit is rescinded." (RONR 11th ed., p. 111, ** footnote)
Now it IS possible that Mr Knox made this inquiry and never told the Executive Board the result.
They might actually believe what they are saying
But it is EQUALY True that what they are saying is
NOT True,
A very interesting quesiton would be who if anyone TOLD them this preposterous pile of bunk that they keep using to justify ILLEGAL Actions.
PS got another letter while I was away from my anonymous adimirer, We will look at their last attempts at correspondence hilarity after we deal wiith a few other issues
Such as Breaches of the County Constitution and ByLaws by the current Exective Board and Parliamentarian.
VIII. EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE The Executive Committee shall consist of the Chair, Co-Chair, Secretary and Treasurer of the Linn County Central Committee. The Executive Committee shall transact the routine business of the Linn County Central Committee during the interim of the meetings of the Linn County Central Committee. Any business transacted or action taken shall be reported to the Linn County Central Committee at the next regularly scheduled meeting. The Executive Committee is subject to the orders of the Linn County Central Committee, and none of its acts shall conflict with actions of the Linn County Central Committee.
Notice the Last sentence? Someone wanted to make VERY certain that it was the Central Committee and NOT the Executive Committee which made the decisions,
Of course they WERE assuming that the members of the Executive Committee would actually ADHERE to what was written in the Constitution,
But it must be declining literacy standards of recent times that does not appear to be the case,
"BIGGER QUESTION - What Republican activities has or does the Hot Air Blogger support? .... so far none on his blog. Isn't that curious?"
Your FRIEND apparently hasn't looked at the DR-2. Otherwise he would have seen that you were by far the largest donor at the chili cook-off.
That IS True and for those who wish to look at the DR-2 metioned I have it HERE for them,
Yes is it does appear I was the largest donor in the neighborhood of 1/6th of the ticket sales and the next TWO highest donors combined are just few dollars more than me,
In addition to the above since I work nights, in order to attend the Monthly Central Committee meetings I take a vacation day from work and have been doing so for some 10 years.
OK OK I have to admit. I am not married, Had I a wife and family I am certain there would be some words about me using 12 vacation days a year doing something else besides spending the time with family.
Let me see. In what other ways have I shown my dedication to Republican Activities?
Well when I was in the hospital waiting to have open heart surger I did request that my friends in lieu of flowers donate to one of our local campaigns.
How many others have ever used a quintuple bypass operation as a fund raiser for a political campaign?
Also while laying in a hospital bed I made out a check for $100 to help fund an earlier buffet on election nights for some who wished to show up early about 6:00 PM
I also had a friend pick me up at the hopsital and take me to that event,
Where I stayed watching the returns come in despite the fact that we discovered that the Hospital calling in my prescriptions to my pharmacy did not include my pain medication.
A good friend did give me some extra strength tylenol and I made do with that.
I would say that overall I have contributed quite a bit actually and since my comments section is as it always is open
Perhaps Mr Friend of Republican Principles can regale us with THEIR record?
I will conclude now with just one statement.
It really does not matter that Mr Friend of Republican Principles has called me a Hypocrite because in a manner of speaking we ARE even.
I think THEY are an Ignoramus.
I got a letter with a return address "A Friend"
When I read it instead of my usual concept of a friend it reminded me of
The Reverend Henry Kane from Poltergeist.
You know where he says
Because I'm Smart and I'm your friend and I know what you are thinking.
Before we get into the letter I think the Readers should make up their own mind so I want you to go read it yourselves and then come back here and we can discuss it.
Back? That was different wasn't it? Well I guess there are all kinds of definitions of the word friend.
Now let us start at the beginning.
The letter will be in italics my thoughts in bold font
Is the Hot Air Blogger a Democrat?
First I am not a Hot Air Blogger. I am flattered but Hot Air is one of THE premier Conservative Blogs on the Internet, My website is called Hot Issues
This is a serious question. Regularly, almost every day, the Hot Blogger claims to be following and protecting the Linn County Republican Party Constitution and the Linn County Republican Central Committee Bylaws.
Well they do need it,.
So how does he square that with supporting Democrats? Joel Miller is the Linn County Auditor. Now many think Joel does a great job, but that doesn't qualify him as a Republican.
Now there is a Catch 22 here,. Yes Joe Miller is a Democrat, Yes 60% of the County Supervisors are also Democrats, So whatever side you take in this debate, You can be accused of supporting Democrats.
Because the 2 of the 5 Supervisors who are Republicans can only do what the 3 Democrats allow them to. That is just the simple math
So why is the Hot Air Blogger promoting keeping more people on the Auditor's staff than the Linn County Supervisors think he needs to do his job? Wasn't it a Republican Supervisor who challenged the staffing? Isn't that active support of a Democrat in opposition to a Republican?
That is Mr Friends version. Mine is a bit different which will come as no surprise.
The Auditor's Office under Mr Miller has a record of fair and even and NON-partisan behaviour
One if it's duties is to AUDIT the County Government and point out Waste.
I support this. It would appear that the County Supervisors do not.
Because they have been transfering his staff to other depts and if the next reduction goes into effect the Auditors office will be down from 52 not more than 2 years ago to 13.
Which will hamper his efforts to document their swilling at the public trough.
Didn't the Hot Air Blogger support kicking a Republican out of the Central Committee? So perhaps the Linn County Republican Central Committee is about to receive the resignation of the Hot Air Blogger ... otherwise it seems as if by his statements that he might be a hypocrite. hhhhmmmmm????
I see, The fact that I supported adherence to the Constitution when a member openly campaigned for a Democratic Candidate who was running against a Republican has some bearing?
As I recall MOST of the Central Committee did the same there are only a few who feel that the Constitution and By Laws are optional.
I guess those who did not agree with Mr Friend are not REAL Republicans in his estimation
"Constitution of the Republican Party of Linn County" "The purpose of the organization shall be, under one central committee ... to aid in every way the establishment of Republican principles and policies .... and assist ... in support of the Republican ticket."
Great Mr Friend has read part of the County Constitution, Had he read some further he might have discovered that the charge in the Constitution is
active support of an opponent of a Republican nominee.
I know our educational systems deterioration
has lowered literacty standards but I would think that
is plain enough that it would not be mistaken for
supporting a Non-partisan office in their attempt to
document waste in the County Government
I actually thoght that reducing waste in Government was somewhere in the Principles of the Republican Party but Mr Friend thinks otherwise.
What Republican principle supports growing government? Even the ICU doesn't support that .... do they??? Some of their members are questionable Republicans or even conservatives.
Not sure what Mr Friend is talking about here. The only growth in goverment mentioned was the Waste that the Auditors office was reporting and that the Supervisors wish to silence,
As for the ICU? You will find it's members in the Central Committee but then Mr Friend has already decided most of the Central Committee is not up to his caliber
Is that why only a small portion of the members of the Teams have a vote ie say in what gets done and the rest just get to do what they are told?
s supporting a Democrat in keeping with "aiding and assisting" the support of Republicans under the Linn County Constitution? Don't think so.
And here I thought I was supporting the Principle of reducing Waste in Government
I will agree with that last sentence though.
I don't think Mr Friend thinks either,
BIGGER QUESTION - What Republican activities has or does the Hot Air Blogger support? .... so far none on his blog. Isn't that curious?
I stand firmly against Violations of the County Constitution
Like when our Chair Cindy Golding REFUSED to sign Checks to pay debts that the Central Committee voted on
I stand firmly against Violations of our By Laws
Like when the County Chair Cindy Golding Illegally paid a bill for over $500 without the approval of the Committee NOR the signature of the then Treasurer.
I stand firmly against the Committee being rushed into decisons based on information that is false and is known to be false when presented
Like the recent claim that a massive reorganization of the Central Committe was REQUIRED by Robert's Rules of Order DESPITE the FACT that that question had been asked of the Robert's Rules of Order Forum and their responce was NO
And like telling the Committee that the above action was supported by a parliamentary ruling by a gentleman we all know who informed me that never happened,
BTW I also support a motion to allow every member of one of our teams to have a vote and say in Team Activiities
I support a motion letting individuals themselves decide which Teams to be a member of instead of having that limited by a Team Leader.
I support putting our Former Caucus Team which had done such a good job in the past back in place and going to work on a Multiple Site Presidential Caucus
I think that is enough for right now
A FRIEND of Republican principles.
Does anyone think Mr Friend would recognize a Principle if it jumped up and smacked him in the Face?
The ByLaws of the Linn County Central Committeehave specific statements on spending and the conduct of business between meetings
All checks shall be signed b the Treasurer and countersigned by the Chair or Co-Chair. Checks in excess of $500.00 and not previously budgeted shall have the approval of the County Central Committee.
The Executive Committee shall transact the routine business of the Central Committee during the interim of the meetings of the Central Committee. Any business transacted or action taken shall be reported to the Central Committee at the next regularly scheduled meeting
RPI Lincoln Dinner
Calling all Linn County Republicans:
Have you heard of the fantastic line-up of Republican superstars?
If you would like to attend the RPI Lincoln Dinner on May 16,
please contact chair@linncountygop.org for discounted tickets.
Discounted ticket price – $75.00per person (Regular ticket price – $100 per person)
Note: there are 10 tickets available at this price.
So how do the intend to handle the payment of $750 to RPI for the Table??
The last time I checked $750 was more the $500.
Are they going to have people make checks out to RPI so they can stay under their $500 limit?
Lastly there is the issue of paying for the bills other than those of the Central Committee,
Whispers on the Wind have brought to your humble chronicler the rumor that the LCRCC Chair Cindy Golding ordered the at the time Interim Treaser Jim Miller to cut a check for $200 to pay for an ad place in a flyer put out by another Republican Organization,
I will not mention the name of the other Organization, they are blemeless adn their good name does not need to be besmerched because of the incompetence and malfeasance of our Chair,
neither does the name of the restaraunt falsely accused of failure to pay a bill that in fact they did not authorise.
All these issues have been reported in previous posts,
If It's Not Written Down Show Us The Proof
Questions at this time which need answered are
Did the Body recieve a report of this action at the next scheduled meeting and if not WHY?
AND
Exactly how did the Linn County Central Committee become responsible for this debt in the first place,.
Despite the fact that the amount $200 is below the limit the Executive Committee may spend without prior approval,.
It is questionable as to whether they have the authority to use their spending power to pay the bills of other people,.
I hope someone asks these quesitons at the next Central Committee meeting.