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Hot Issues From Linn County Iowa
Thursday, 16 April 2015
The Great Motion Expiration Swindle

 

 


 

 
Someday someone may explain to me Why anyone bothers lying about something that is public record.
 
In any event before the Plan for the St Patrick's Day  Massacre was presented
 
The Chair made certain Claims of Fact to the Body 
 
One was 
 
• Under Roberts Rules of Order committees and motions passed during the previous cycle expire 
 

That is NOT True and there is no doubt whatsoever about this Fact because

It seems that on the  28 January 2015 - 08:37 AM someone calling themselves  

jknox65

 Created This Topic

 

When do passed Motions expire?

Started by jknox65 , Jan 28 2015 08:37 AM 

 

And asked This Question

 

 

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Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:37 AM

I was wondering if motions that had passed during a previous Executive boards rein, do these carry over to the new presiding officers? Do motions bind the hands of a new body after an election? I would thing by-law changes would but I am uncertain about motions?

 

Can someone advise and reference where it may or may not support the expunging of previous sessions passed motions? 

 On the

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For those who might not Know RONR Stands for

Roberts Rules of Order Newly Revised

 

That is THE Officlal Roberts Rules of Order Website.

The Holy Grail.  The Fount from which flows ALL recognized Parlaimentary Procedure. 

Their answer?

 An Emphatic and Resounding NO

One even posted the page in Roberts Rules of Order 11th Edition where the NO might be found. 

 "Unless an adopted main motion specifies a time for the termination of its effect, it continues in force until it is rescinded." (RONR 11th ed., p. 111, ** footnote)

 

 It is obvious that I am taking the position that the above jkox65 is the sqme person as the LCRCC's Webmaster James Knox.

Some might disagree, and like those who excused Mr Knox accidental attempt to Vote point out that there might be OTHER people besides him with the Username of jknox65 

 

That IS possible, So despite being the Technological Dinosaur that I am purported to be I GOOGLED the Username jknox 65 and found 

 

jknox65, Author at ReFounding Father Society

  

Jknox65

Author's details

Name: James Knox
Date registered: September 30, 2012

 

 I I I    

 

 

 

I think we have a probability approaching Unity that the jknox65 on the RONR Discussion Forum, the Refounding Father Society and the Webmaster of the LCRCC James Knox are all the same person.

Now I must point out that this does not mean that the Chair and the Rest of the Exective Committee Lied to the Body 

 But a Valid Question would be

What did they Know and WHEN did they know it.

We know that on the moring of Janurary 28th of this year Mr Knox knew full well that the claim made  that

 

• Under Roberts Rules of Order committees and motions passed during the previous cycle expire 
 

 Was NOT True.

Another Valid question would be WHERE did the concept that the above WAS true originate? 

 

If it came from Mr Knox then I believe he should NEVER be allowed to be in ANY position of Responsibilty UNSUPERVISED 

 

If it came from one of the persons from  whom Parliamentarian advice was claimed then they should NOT ever be used as Parliamentarians again,

I think this goes way beyond a simple mistake or misinterpretation.

I have not the slightest doubt that Mr Chung would never in a thousand years allow something like this to slip by him HAD he been involved, 

 

In conclusion I know not what others may think but the Executive Committee has a severe credibility gap with me and some things to explain at our Next Meeting 

 

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    #1 jknox65

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    Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:37 AM

    I was wondering if motions that had passed during a previous Executive boards rein, do these carry over to the new presiding officers? Do motions bind the hands of a new body after an election? I would thing by-law changes would but I am uncertain about motions?

     

    Can someone advise and reference where it may or may not support the expunging of previous sessions passed motions?


    #2 Hieu H Huynh

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    Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:45 AM

    "Unless an adopted main motion specifies a time for the termination of its effect, it continues in force until it is rescinded." (RONR 11th ed., p. 111, ** footnote)


    #3 Edgar Guest

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    Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:57 AM

    jknox65, on 28 Jan 2015 - 08:37 AM, said:

    Do motions bind the hands of a new body after an election?

     

    No. The board is free to rescind (or otherwise amend) motions previously adopted by the board (assuming, of course, that the actions authorized by the motions have not been completed). There is no "expunging".

     

    It's best not to think of "the old board" and "the new board". It's just "the board" (with occasional changes in membership).


    Everything I know about RONR I learned from Mr. Mountcastle. And everything he knows about RONR he learned from this forum.

    #4 Gary Novosielski

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    Posted 28 January 2015 - 01:51 PM

    No, they don't bind the hands of a future body any more than they bind the hands of the current body.


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    Again I just don't understand why someone would lie about something anyone can bring up on a computer and see. 


    Posted by ky/kentuckydan at 1:08 AM CDT
    Updated: Thursday, 16 April 2015 8:15 AM CDT
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    Thursday, 16 April 2015 - 2:17 AM CDT

    Name: "gellis47"

    "jknox65" is also his Facebook username. 

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