I've seen The Daemons done. That seemed rather good. And also Terror of the Autons. Again quite impressive.

It's just a shame the BBC deemed fit to burn everything when it did. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By droL emiT on Sun Aug 27 10:34:51 BST 2000:

Unlike Dr. W. you can't change the past, unfortunately... Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Sun Aug 27 14:18:50 BST 2000:

Indeed.

We could always burn down the BBC offices, see how they like it. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Sun Aug 27 17:51:54 BST 2000:

>Just viewed the newly recolourised Episode 1 of 'Invasion' Episode 1 'Invasion of the Dinosaurs'

I seem to have missed something here. Where did you view this remarkable technical feat? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Richard on Sun Aug 27 21:51:08 BST 2000:

>I've seen The Daemons done. That seemed rather good. And also Terror of the Autons. Again quite impressive.

What was up with the one that was shown on UK Gold this morning that I caught the end of? It looked NTSC! Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Al on Sun Aug 27 23:16:03 BST 2000:

You mean The Silurians? - it's just deterioration of the film stock isn't it? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By TJ on Sun Aug 27 23:50:58 BST 2000:

Nope - "The Silurians" was never on film. The 'colour' prints are a flashy combination of black and white prints made for overseas sales, and a home video recording (possibly from an NTSC broadcast - further details anyone?) made by Ian "I'm going to smash my TV and make some substandard disco twaddle" Levine. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Mon Aug 28 00:06:14 BST 2000:

I recall an interview with Ian Levine around the time of the 30th anniversary where he got very sweaty and agitated at the loss of the 110 episodes. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By TJ on Mon Aug 28 08:26:06 BST 2000:

That's right, yeah, he threatened to kill (I'm not joking) someone who made up a rumour about Tenth Planet Part 4 existing. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Mark on Mon Aug 28 09:21:51 BST 2000:

>>Just viewed the newly recolourised Episode 1 of 'Invasion' Episode 1 'Invasion of the Dinosaurs'
>
>I seem to have missed something here. Where did you view this remarkable technical feat?

It was actually a private copy that a mate of mine has (he organises conventions etc..and is heavily into Dr Who)Apparently as I say the company responsible for doing this (can't remember who they are) are going to do Planet of the Daleks Ep 3 - there was about a minutes colour footage on the end of the tape I saw which demonstrated 'Planet' part three in colour.


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Posted By Simon Harries on Mon Aug 28 10:30:35 BST 2000:

>It was actually a private copy that a mate of mine has (he organises conventions etc..and is heavily into Dr Who)

Ahhhhh, yes that makes sense... Bloody private collectors...

Apparently as I say the company responsible for doing this (can't remember who they are) are going to do Planet of the Daleks Ep 3 - there was about a minutes colour footage on the end of the tape I saw which demonstrated 'Planet' part three in colour.

I'm so looking forward to their release on home video in a box set for £30...

By the way, all the previous "recolourisations" (The Silurians, Terror of the Autons, The Daemons, a teeny bit of Mind of Evil where Mailer gets shot by the Brigadier on the staircase etc) were created, as previously mentioned, by combining the luminance signal of the b/w film tele-recordings, with the chrominance signal of NTSC home video recordings, which were not in themselves of sufficient quality to be converted to PAL. I gather the technique was also tried out on Ambassadors of Death, but didn't work terribly well. Still, never mind, who wants to watch that load of bollocks ever again?

The other "dodgy looking" Pertwees (Inferno, Axos, Colony in Space, the BBC2 1992-repeated Sea Devils, The Mutants etc) are plain NTSC transfers from sources such as Canada, USA, Japan. No-one's ever turned up NTSC colour recordings of Mind of Evil, Invasion of Dinosaurs pt1, Planet of Daleks pt3, either domestic video or professional broadcast standard, so the luminance/chroma combo doesn't work. They would have to be painstakingly colourised, frame by frame, probably at huge, huge, huge cost, which is why the Beeb never tackled it.... and why they'll be released in box sets for £30... Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Mon Aug 28 16:10:10 BST 2000:

It'd be nice if the BBC showed some sort of initiative and released each season, in order, on DVD. You can get a hell of a lot more than four 25 minute episodes on a disc.

Two-Three DVDs per season, perhaps.

This is the BBC I'm talking about though, so I'll shut up.

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Posted By Bent Halo on Mon Aug 28 17:57:20 BST 2000:

The NTSC copy of 'Colony' was colourised for the first UKG screening but it was unremarked upon at the time.

I remember the TP4 recovery. I was involved and everyone felt very tense when trying it out on that ancient equipment. A spectacular stitch up. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Mon Aug 28 19:42:29 BST 2000:

It doesn't matter about all the missing episodes.

At least we still have Time and the Rani. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Jon on Tue Aug 29 12:45:46 BST 2000:

Has anyone tried decolourising some of the Sylvester McCoy stories, in the hope of making them more interesting? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Steve Berry on Tue Aug 29 12:52:33 BST 2000:

Simon done:

>By the way, all the previous "recolourisations" ... were created, as previously mentioned, by combining the luminance signal of the b/w film tele-recordings, with the chrominance signal of NTSC home video recordings...

>I gather the technique was also tried out on Ambassadors of Death, but didn't work terribly well.

I believe it was a different, more expensive, technique used for 'Ambassadors'. Recolourisation experiments have been going on at the Beeb for years; it's only now that a method's become cheap enough to justify the Beeb's interest (see above) although, of course, this requires out-of-hours effort on the part of the team who are actually doing the recolourising *work*!

Cheerio

Steve Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Tue Aug 29 12:59:22 BST 2000:

I think to make Time and the Rani interesting, you'd have to cut out both your eyes and sit on a small dog. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By TJ on Tue Aug 29 13:43:38 BST 2000:

And it'd still be more interesting than The Crusade. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Jon on Tue Aug 29 13:50:10 BST 2000:

Time And The Rani has those exciting explosions at the end.

Did we ever find out how the Rani escaped getting eaten by a dinosaur at the end of Mark Of The Rani? Or how the Master managed to be alive in it in the first place? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Tue Aug 29 13:55:38 BST 2000:

Well, isn't it obvious?

He...he had a protective coat on at the end of Planet of Fire.

And he made friends with the dinosaur in Mark of the Rani, so it didn't eat him. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Richard on Tue Aug 29 16:14:05 BST 2000:

What about that Children in Need 3D Episodes? What did people think of them?

Personally, I wish I'd kept my recording, simply for the novelty factor. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Tue Aug 29 17:05:21 BST 2000:

Actually, I've still got them somewhere, complete with Noel Edmonds' and Jon Pertwee's 'hilarious' little sketch before the second 'episode' of this 'enjoyable' Doctor Who 'celebration'. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Paul on Wed Aug 30 22:40:38 BST 2000:

What about the marvellous William Hartnell story 'The Web Planet' - Oh how I could watch that again and again .... it wasn't a pile of poo at all was it ??

Someone I know of is doing a sponsered William Hartnell-thon. Basically he plans to sit through every surving William Hartnell episode there is, back to back, with no sleep. Now, it is for a good cause, I believe,but bloody hell, surely he will be asleep by the second part of An Unearthly Child ??? How the hell could anyone watch all this back to back ? !!!!!!!! Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By TJ on Wed Aug 30 23:27:23 BST 2000:

Only watching the existing episodes? That's a copout.

He should be forced to listen to the audios of the missing episodes while looking at the telesnaps. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Bent Halo on Thu Aug 31 02:04:02 BST 2000:

Anyone who dismisses 'The Myth Makers', 'The Massacre', 'Power of the Daleks', 'Celestial Toymaker' and 'Galxy 4' is a heartless swine. So there. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Jon on Thu Aug 31 09:11:18 BST 2000:

But the idea of having distinct multi-part stories with numbered episodes only came in with the last few Hartnell seasons - before then each episode had its own title. Butall story guides divide the episodes up into distinct multi-part stories. was this how they were originally conceived, or was it a bit of post-facto fannish invention?

The thing is, until "Trial Of A Time Lord" (which I don't count), the longest story is "The Dalek MasterPlan" (12 eps). But I read the storyline in DWM aeons ago (80/81) and, though I don't remember the details, it had less structure and consistency than the Key To Time season. Ditto for some other Hartnells, that seem to be a bit shapeless. So does it really count as a story at all?

I'm not part of the DW fan circuit, so I don't know if this is a raging debate, or if I've written a terrible blasphemy... tell me the worst. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Richard on Thu Aug 31 10:05:26 BST 2000:

>The thing is, until "Trial Of A Time Lord" (which I don't count).

Why not? Explain yourself to a non-whovian (relatively) person. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Jon on Thu Aug 31 10:25:43 BST 2000:

Because it's 3 stories strung together. DW ended the season before that for me, I don't count the later Baker or any McCoy stuff as proper DW. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Thu Aug 31 10:39:15 BST 2000:

>I'm not part of the DW fan circuit, so I don't know if this is a raging debate, or if I've written a terrible blasphemy... tell me the worst.

I don't think anyone's really that bothered about story titles, apart from a few terribly tedious pedants who insist on referring to episodes by their original title, instead of referring to a story by its group title. The group title idea was officially set out in Jean Marc L'Officier's "Dr Who Programme Guide" (Target/WHAllen 1981), and probably at the same time in Dr Who Monthly. But there are people out there who get really hot under the collar and start whingeing and whining when you refer to serial A as "An Unearthly Child" instead of "100,000 Years BC", or serial B as "The Daleks" instead of "The Mutants", or serial C as "Edge of Destruction" instead of "Inside the Spaceship".
Everyone knows which story you're talking about when you refer to "The Daleks" or "Edge of Destruction", and since they've been the reference points for some twenty years now, why the hell change them - and if you do need to refer to the individual episodes, then by all means use those individual episode titles eg. "The Dead Planet" or whatever.

Looking back, this makes me sound like a terribly tedious pedant, but as I said, I don't really care. I'd know what you were talking about whatever title you use, so who cares??!!

This is where I get accused of terrible blasphemy - OK, I'll add to it. I loathe the idea current in fandom that "Dimensions in Time" (the 3D Children in Need joke of a story), also "A Fix with the Sontarans" (a bollocks Dr Who sketch on Jim'll Fix It) are 'canonical', just because they were BBC TV productions ie. there are actually some fans who write complete histories of "Dr Who" in strict chronological order, who work out obscure ways of justifying every continuity/chronology blooper, and include complete crap like "Dimensions in Time" and "A Fix with the Sontarans". Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By TJ on Thu Aug 31 10:50:47 BST 2000:

I was once cornered by a fan 'luminary', who gave me a very long and protracted (and unwelcome) lecture on why I should be calling Mission To The Unknown 'Dalek Cutaway'. I listened to him patiently, and then replied with "you're an idiot". Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Jon on Thu Aug 31 11:05:38 BST 2000:

But I thought the way it worked was that the 1st episode title is used as the title of the notional multi-parter (for most of the Hartnells). Hence Unearthly Child, The Deal Planet.

Re: Dalek Masterplan. "Mission To The Unknown" was a 1-parter that preceded it, and it was the only DW story not to feature the Dr at all. So why not just say there was a 13-parter called "Mission To The Unknown"?

Did L'Officier really lay done the story details? I'm sure the history is given in "The Making Of Dr Who" By T.Dicks, which was published earlier than 1980.

I'd like some feedback about "Dalek Masterplan"... suddenly I'm getting worked up about this stuff again, after kicking the habit all those years ago... Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Jon on Thu Aug 31 11:06:42 BST 2000:

Wasn't "The War Machines" the first multi-parter? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By TJ on Thu Aug 31 11:12:30 BST 2000:

Nope, The Savages, the story that I believe never actually existed in the first place, was the first episodic one.

Except I refuse to accept that there ever was such a story. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Thu Aug 31 12:47:08 BST 2000:

I really couldn't give a marsh minnow about which stories are part of the Doctor Who 'canon' and which aren't.

I just like to watch the videos, read the mag, and then pleasure myself to pictures of Adric. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Thu Aug 31 19:29:20 BST 2000:

>I really couldn't give a marsh minnow about which stories are part of the Doctor Who 'canon' and which aren't.
>
>I just like to watch the videos, read the mag, and then pleasure myself to pictures of Adric.

Well, I can't either, really, I just thought I'd write something controversial in case there were any idiot fans reading... By the way, I draw the line at pleasuring myself to pictures of Adric... Janet Fielding on the other hand, as she looked in that 1981 air stewardess outfit....

Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Thu Aug 31 19:33:52 BST 2000:

>But I thought the way it worked was that the 1st episode title is used as the title of the notional multi-parter (for most of the Hartnells). Hence Unearthly Child, The Deal Planet.

I used to do that -in fact I refer to serial B as either "The Daleks" or "The Dead Planet" depending on what side of bed I get out of in the morning...

>Re: Dalek Masterplan. "Mission To The Unknown" was a 1-parter that preceded it, and it was the only DW story not to feature the Dr at all. So why not just say there was a 13-parter called "Mission To The Unknown"?

Or, indeed, why say so? It's a one-episode, self-contained story called "Mission to the Unknown", with events taking place considerable time before "Dalek Masterplan" commences... Is a one-episode "Who" story so difficult to deal with?

>Did L'Officier really lay done the story details? I'm sure the history is given in "The Making Of Dr Who" By T.Dicks, which was published earlier than 1980.

Well, probably yes, now I think of it, the original "Making of Dr Who" -written mostly by Malcolm Hulke because Dicks was full-time Who script-editor - had a full story run down with programme codes up until 1972 and the then current story "The Sea Devils", the subject of that book's behind-the-scenes features. A great book, actually, superior to the update by Terrance Dicks which features his own "Robot".

>I'd like some feedback about "Dalek Masterplan"...

Oh God! Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Thu Aug 31 19:34:59 BST 2000:

I can completely understand you being drawn to Janet Fielding in the purple uniform. She is quite comely.

Best looking companion ever though?

Has to be Mark Strickson, surely? Planet of Fire was like a dream come true. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Paul on Fri Sep 1 14:20:10 BST 2000:

>I can completely understand you being drawn to Janet Fielding in the purple uniform. She is quite comely.
>
>Best looking companion ever though?
>
>Got to be Peri. Obviously.
Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Fri Sep 1 14:27:55 BST 2000:

Obvious to some, perhaps.

Harry Sullivan. Now *he* was a real man. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Fri Sep 1 15:49:12 BST 2000:

>Obvious to some, perhaps.
>
>Harry Sullivan. Now *he* was a real man.

Naaa, Barbara Wright with that fab 60's bob. Hey, forgot what I wrote earlier on the "Who for Doctor Who?" strand, let's be really adventurous and have two totally separate Who conversations...

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Posted By John! on Fri Sep 1 16:06:34 BST 2000:

You can't be serious? Sounds a bit radical to me.

How interesting it would have been if Mark Strickson's trunks had fallen off in Planet of Fire. Him being naturally blonde and all, it would've shown how seriously the production team took their work. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Jon on Fri Sep 1 16:28:22 BST 2000:

At this point I should mention that Mary Tamm left because she got pregnant, and it would have brought the Dr into disrepute if his female companion was enceinte. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Fri Sep 1 17:14:24 BST 2000:

I thought Mary Tamm left because she was bored shitless of having no decent lines. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Jon on Fri Sep 1 17:29:06 BST 2000:

No, that's how she came to get pregnant. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Fri Sep 1 17:56:37 BST 2000:

Oh...who was the father?

My money's on Graham Williams or John Leeson.

Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Fri Sep 1 18:04:36 BST 2000:

Iain Cuthbertson, guest star of "The Ribos Operation" - he looks like a wily old rascal... Have you seen Mary Tamm in the BBC Christmas tapes? Great outtake from "Androids of Tara" where she's loyally offering her loyalty to the king, and suddenly moans, "Oh fuck, I've blown it!" Also, unprecedented comedy moments with Baker in "Armageddon Factor" where they mock a snog, and Baker tells K-9, "You never know the fucking answer when it's important!" Finally, when K-9 asks the Doctor what he most desires for Christmas, Baker looks meaningfully at the camera as it zooms in on his face, before shooting a glance at Tamm, who cracks up laughing... So it must have been Baker after all...

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Posted By John! on Fri Sep 1 19:04:37 BST 2000:

I've seen the mock snog, or at least part of it, but where can you see the rest? Are they available to mere people like myself?

The problem with Who is that things like this can't be sold because all the tapes have to be suitable for kids, I guess. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Al on Fri Sep 1 20:29:01 BST 2000:

Gorgeous Dr Who companions:

Mary Tamm
Nicola Bryant
Janet Fielding
Sarah Sutton
Sophie Aldred
whoever played Liz Shaw.

Sorry John! for such a het perspective. Mind, even I can see that Strickson and Marter were a bit of alright. But Adric??? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Bent Halo on Fri Sep 1 20:45:25 BST 2000:

Caroline John played Liz Shaw and mighty she was too. I opt for Mary Tamm everytime though and I'm not even supposed to be interested in labbias.

As for episode titles, don't anyone mention 'The Goodies'. Every new guide decides on an official set of titles, with Robert Ross' recent efforts being the most nonsensical. No one really cares at the end of the day, but it does get a mite confusing when you have four or five titles to pick from - often based on misprints in foreign TV listings magazines. No, really!

Hopefully the current bonding of Goodies fandom in light of a few new guides (including my own) will settle on a consistent group of titles. I now have a full list of 'clapper board' titles from the master tapes, which I'm sticking with, but even these don't always correspond with scripts, memos and other sources.

'100,000 BC' is a rubbish title anyway. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Al on Fri Sep 1 22:23:54 BST 2000:

... and as for Dalek Cutaway.
Wasn't that something to do with the 70s Weetabix promotion? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Fri Sep 1 22:52:20 BST 2000:

The Adric thing was me being a bit sarcastic.

He is in fact perhaps the most annoying and ugly companion to grace the beauty of the TARDIS. Just watching Logopolis yesterday I wanted to cut JNT into little bits for not casting a better actor in what was rather an important role. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Al on Fri Sep 1 22:57:33 BST 2000:

Thank god for that! I always credited you with taste! Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Sat Sep 2 00:19:13 BST 2000:

That's the nicest thing anybody's ever said to me! Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Al on Sat Sep 2 00:22:54 BST 2000:

No charge!
<doffs virtual hat> Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Sat Sep 2 00:25:55 BST 2000:

Oh, now look...I'm coming over all weepy. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Al on Sat Sep 2 00:29:52 BST 2000:

OK OK - SOTCAA's 'No hugs, no learning' policy has been restored.

Of course I would assume you had taste - you like Dr Who for starters. And even if I spent more of my adolescent years staring at Peri's cleavage than Turlough's packet - I still think he was a pretty cool companion. As was Harry. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Sat Sep 2 00:35:17 BST 2000:

I was only 3 when Turlough made his debut in the series. I wasn't really interested in his packet then, though I did so want to get hold of Peter Davison's stick (of celery).

In fact, I didn't actually see Turlough 'sans trousers' until last year.

Explains a lot about my mind, really.

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Posted By Al on Sat Sep 2 00:38:55 BST 2000:

Ahhh! So young! How did you get into Who then? You must have been about seven when it finished. (AND WHEN I WAS AT UNIVERSITY! Jesus wept...) Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Sat Sep 2 00:53:48 BST 2000:

I was 9 when it finished. My big brother used to love it, and we were also part of that big cliche of rushing back from town or whatever on a Saturday evening to make sure we were back in time for Doctor Who. Gradually, my family lost interest (as did most people, it seems), but I kept in there. I really started to watch with a passion with the McCoy years. Then there were a few years of limbo where I bought the books. Then I started to buy the videos when my pocket money went up.

Castrovalva was my first *ever* Who video, and I think a pretty damn fine place to start.

I'm not 'hardcore' I don't think. I buy the mag, I have a load of books (both novels and factual), nearly all the videos. But I wouldn't be able to tell you the make of the anorak worn by Sarah in 'The Sontaran Experiment', or where the location used for 'Full Circle' was. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Paul on Sat Sep 2 11:49:06 BST 2000:

Yeah, Castrovalva's not too bad I suppose...

Does anyone know if the original trailer for Destiny of the Daleks still exists?? You know the one where there is a sign hanging on the Tardis door which says something about "Do not disturb until 1st September"?
Does anyone have this on video ??
As I was only 9 at the time, I remember waiting with baited breath for Destiny of the Daleks to begin ... Watched it only recently and err..oh dear .... the most exciting part I noticed was spotting a camera dolly base during epsiode three !!!!
Mind you ... there was Lalla Ward .... Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Sat Sep 2 14:31:09 BST 2000:

Destiny of the Daleks is indeed a very frustrating story. Everything is just so badly done, from the acting to the special effects. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Sat Sep 2 15:40:10 BST 2000:

>I was 9 when it finished.

Me 18...

>We were also part of that big cliche of rushing back from town or whatever on a Saturday evening to make sure we were back in time for Doctor Who.

Me always missing it, because my mum got really excited in 1980 when Asda opened a big superstore in Swanley, three miles away from my home town of Dartford. As we'd never seen anything bigger than our local co-op, this was a weekly must-visit, and it ended up with us still being there at 5.10 and me getting more and more upset and sulky because I knew I was missing "Warriors Gate" part 1, or "Keeper of Traken" part 3... It was almost the same in 1985, except it was only the trailer for "Attack of the Cybermen" I missed, while visiting the bigger-than-Swanley's-Asda shopping mall in Bexleyheath...

>Gradually, my family lost interest (as did most people, it seems), but I kept in there.

I have a sister who was born in 1985, whom I quickly weaned on Hinchcliffe's Golden Greats. Even now she shudders at the memory of "Robots of Death" and "Talons of Weng Chiang".... actually, no, she's probably snogging lads down the local night club...

>I'm not 'hardcore' I don't think. I wouldn't be able to tell you the make of the anorak worn by Sarah in 'The Sontaran Experiment'...

me neither

>..or where the location used for 'Full Circle' was.

Black Park, near Iver, Bucks...

I take issue with your assertion that special fx in "Destiny" are awful. Obviously there are howlers - the cheap, plastic Daleks made just to be blown up, which can be seen walking across the quarry for example, and the lights/camera bases you can see in the studio - but the effects throughout season 17 are very good indeed - the Movellan space-ship landing/take-off is good, and "Destiny" part 1 features the first ever use of steadicam in a BBC drama. It cost a bloody lot of money! I particularly like the forest in "Creature from the Pit" - all of those sequences were shot on film at Ealing studios...

Saw "Keeper of Traken" yesterday - it struck me what an ugly, lolloping youth Matthew Waterhouse is, with big fat fingers... the worst actor ever, other than Ronald Allen.
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Posted By John! on Sat Sep 2 16:20:06 BST 2000:

I believe there are pictures of Matthew Waterhouse in the dictionary next to the words 'wooden' and 'ugly'.

I also recall hearing a story about how he gave Richard Todd advice on acting in Kinda...hmmm.

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Posted By Simon Harries on Sat Sep 2 16:39:37 BST 2000:

>I also recall hearing a story about how he gave Richard Todd advice on acting in Kinda...hmmm.

Yes Peter Davison was winding him up, and told him that Todd was an elderly stage actor making his first ever appearance in front of a lens... That day must have been a real side-splitter...

Have you heard the one about the location filming day for Castrovalva? They filmed the last shot, where the crew jog back to the tilted TARDIS, the morning after a heavy piss-up in the location hotel in Tunbridge Wells. (The location was the Harris Rocks or something like that) Waterhouse was so ill the next day that his skin was actually a bit grey-green. He had to be made-up heavily. In one unused take, the Doctor and crew jog up, and Waterhouse dives behind a tree and pukes up!!
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Posted By John! on Sat Sep 2 16:52:06 BST 2000:

Oh yes, I've heard that one. Shame it was nothing more serious, eh?

Matthew also apparently had trouble with his equipment while in the Hadron power lines, but I've never gone out of my way to look for proof. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Sat Sep 2 23:27:46 BST 2000:

>Matthew also apparently had trouble with his equipment while in the Hadron power lines, but I've never gone out of my way to look for proof.

Well, they were lethal to the touch... oo-er missus, I've just had a whole bottle of red wine, and you know what that means...
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Posted By John! on Sun Sep 3 00:07:30 BST 2000:

That your wine cellar is now one bottle down on yesterday?

I suggest we all watch Castrovalva tonight to look at Matthew Waterhouse's tackle. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Sun Sep 3 11:23:30 BST 2000:

>Have you ever seen either "The Daleks" (aka "The Dead Planet" or "The Mutants") or the Amicus film "Dr Who and the Daleks"? If so, what are your views on the Thals and their gaudy eye shadow?

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Posted By Paul on Sun Sep 3 14:33:29 BST 2000:

>>Have you ever seen either "The Daleks" (aka "The Dead Planet" or "The Mutants") or the Amicus film "Dr Who and the Daleks"? If so, what are your views on the Thals and their gaudy eye shadow?
>
> Oh ,weren't they wonderful films ? Masterpieces of their time. Classics.Not a pile of poo at all were they ?

As for Matthew Waterhouse - where is he now ?
Tom Baker cannot stand him - I know that much as my mate who arranges for Tom to attend conventions once mentioned Matthew Waterhouse to him and Tom said he would never ever appear if he was there... apparently Waterhouse tried giving him acting tips or something ...

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Posted By John! on Sun Sep 3 15:44:20 BST 2000:

That seems to be a Matthew Waterhouse thing then.

Ironic, what with him being the worst actor to have ever appeared in the show's 26 year history.

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Posted By Simon Harries on Sun Sep 3 17:39:24 BST 2000:

>As for Matthew Waterhouse - Tom Baker cannot stand him - apparently Waterhouse tried giving him acting tips or something ...

I recently bought an unauthorised video biog of Tom Baker from Amazon.com, a very poorly flung-together production, which contains an interview with Tom on film from the mid-80's in the USA. I think it's called "Who is Tom Baker?" and it's in purple packaging. He talks at great length about Who, his successes, his failures, his obsession with death etc. (It's not the excellent Reeltime video "Just Who on Earth is Tom Baker", by the way, which was directed by his wife Sue Jerrard in their own home)

To pad it out to around 50mins, Baker's interview is intercut with quotes from Nick Courtney, Terrance Dicks, Matthew Waterhouse and several others, shot at a recent convention. They're positioned in front of a chromakey blue screen, keyed out and replaced with a "Warriors Gate" style white void. These sections are interesting, but have the most irritating, insistent, repetitive techno music dubbed behind them. It's obviously aimed at the fan market, so why use such shite music - do they think fans won't be very interested?

Anyway, Waterhouse himself tells the story of how he irritated Baker on his very first day in rehearsals for "Full Circle". He claims to have been shitting himself about the prospect of meeting and working with Baker, and being desperate to make a good impression.

They were introduced, and seemed to be getting along famously, until mid-afternoon when Waterhouse's confidence had built up sufficiently for him to suggest how he could add a line to a scene with the Doctor. Tom just looked at him and sneered, "Why don't you piss off?!"

How fantastic is that?!

It must have been right in the midst of his illness. As the season 18 stories progress, you can see Baker losing more and more weight, growing ever more gaunt and grave - he was battling some kind of stomach infection at the time, quite apart from having made the decision to leave. The last thing he needed was some perky kid for whom he had no respect telling him how to do his job!

Tom Baker, mad as a hatter, and we love him for it! Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Sun Sep 3 17:42:22 BST 2000:

>> Oh ,weren't they wonderful films ? Masterpieces of their time. Classics.Not a pile of poo at all were they ?

The second Amicus film, poo, yes, but I was actually referring to the original TV version of "The Daleks" and its subsequent film adaptation... I don't really care about the Thal eye shadow, I was just trying to change the conversation away from Matthew Waterhouse's tackle... Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Sun Sep 3 18:23:48 BST 2000:

I too have that rather wonderful 'Doctor...Who on Earth is Tom Baker?' video, complete with parrot.

He was also the best guest I've ever seen on This Is Your Life, looking quite perplexed and quite clearly not remembering anyone who walked through the doors. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Mon Sep 4 00:12:27 BST 2000:

I remember seeing Davison's "This Is Your Life" in 1982 - I only caught it because my grandma phoned up to tell me. She was a regular viewer, and when she saw the opening bit where the TARDIS lands in Trafalguar Square and Eamonn Andrews bears down on Davison with his red book, I knew I'd have been upset had I missed it.

In hindsight it was pretty average, just another edition of "This is your Life", but at the time I remember being very interested at catching sight of people like Janet Fielding and Anthony Ainley in "normal" clothes... The best bit was Beryl Reid's entrance. The two doors slid back to reveal her teetering out of a smoke-wreathed TARDIS, looking completely pissed! Wish I had it on tape.

Pertwee's "This is your Life" from the early 70's hasn't survived... Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By andi :) on Mon Sep 4 00:19:26 BST 2000:

>Best looking companion ever though?
>
>Has to be Mark Strickson, surely? Planet of Fire was like a dream come true.

me loves pex from paradise towers or mike from remembranec, he wasnt called pex for nothing

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Posted By John! on Mon Sep 4 00:24:01 BST 2000:

Did the BBC burn it by any chance?

I'm glad I taped the Tom Baker one, because it's actually very funny. Anything he's on as himself seems to turn to gold. Have I Got News For You, for example. He was fantastic on that. And his interview a couple of years back in DWM to promote his autobiography was probably the best interview I've read with the man.

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Posted By Simon Harries on Mon Sep 4 23:13:05 BST 2000:

>Did the BBC burn it by any chance?

Well, it was Thames in those days (well, it still is I guess) and it probably went out live, so I doubt they even recorded it...

>I'm glad I taped the Tom Baker one, because it's actually very funny. Anything he's on as himself seems to turn to gold.

"The Book Tower" was always very entertaining, I especially liked the teapot which would always contain something unexpected, like piglets, or sand... then there was that mysterious room out back, which Tom would look at through a hole in the book tower painting. The room was always full of school children dressed up as something relevant to an activity book... Children's TV from Yorkshire.... Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Tue Sep 5 00:18:34 BST 2000:

I'm actually too young to remember any of the Tom Baker era on original broadcast, let alone anything else he was on.

But I wish I'd seen it. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Tue Sep 5 07:34:05 BST 2000:

>I'm actually too young to remember any of the Tom Baker era on original broadcast, let alone anything else he was on.
>
>But I wish I'd seen it.

I'd be happy to send you a copy of an episode of "The Book Tower" which I blagged from Yorkshire TV earlier this year. Thank God it isn't in the ownership of Jim Yoakum or I'd be sued for admitting ownership.... Tom presented from about 1978 to 1982 I think, and others followed up to about 1987, namely Stephen Moore and Bernard Bresslaw. The one I have's from 1978... I'd say it was for diehard Tom fans only - you patiently have to watch lots of tedious book reviews of late 70's children's tomes probably now long out of print.... But Tom's a great storyteller - he really brings to life the drama of Scara Brae! Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By TJ on Tue Sep 5 11:56:24 BST 2000:

Probably a futile question, but has anyone got a copy of the mid-1970s schools radio version of "Doctor Who", in which Tom Baker battled someone called Megron? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Tue Sep 5 13:33:14 BST 2000:

I certainly haven't, I'm afraid.

And let's face it, Tom could make anything sound interesting with that delicious voice of his. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By TJ on Tue Sep 5 13:39:29 BST 2000:

Ever see/hear the trailer for the unmade updated K9 series?

The way he says "top dogggggggggggggggggggggggg" is brilliant. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Tue Sep 5 14:26:25 BST 2000:

I didn't even know there was a trailer.

Does it look as ground breaking as K9 and Company? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By TJ on Tue Sep 5 15:03:01 BST 2000:

It _actually_ looked quite good.


Don't laugh. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Tue Sep 5 16:35:59 BST 2000:

I'm not laughing.

I'm really, really not. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Wed Sep 6 19:06:58 BST 2000:

That sounds great - I wish I'd seen it...

I think the funniest chat show Tom Baker ever made was on "Nationwide" sometime around 1977, which I saw on video at a Panopticon convention in 1990. It starts with Frank Bough outlining 'what's coming up'. "Plus, Dr Who star Tom Baker's here, with his brand new assistant.." at which point it cuts to a shot of Tom on the settee, staring wide-eyed and corpse-like into the middle distance, while Louise Jameson smiles uncomfortably...

During the interview, Tom is bored and irritable about Bough's very mediocre questions. When he asks about the controversy over violence in the show, and is it right that children should be watching from behind the settee, Tom snaps back something like, "Well to be honest Frank, I think more children watch Nationwide from behind the settee than Dr Who..." which completely astounds Bough and leaves him slightly floundering.
Louise is lovely, charming and talks with high hopes of the show being fun to do, but Tom doesn't seem to share her enthusiasm!

It is a hilarious interview, and I so wish I had a recording of it. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Wed Sep 6 19:15:33 BST 2000:

That sounds marvellous. We can always rely on Tom to entertain and bemuse.

I watched 'Doctor...Who On Earth Is Tom Baker?' again yesterday, and it's really quite remarkable. He's an amazing man. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Wed Sep 6 20:12:01 BST 2000:

Frank Bough, such an ugly man with very disturbing eyes, I can't understand why he should become The face of the BBC in the 80's alongside Rantzen and Wogan... Whatever did Nesta see in him? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Paul on Wed Sep 6 22:34:23 BST 2000:

>>Did the BBC burn it by any chance?
>
>Well, it was Thames in those days (well, it still is I guess) and it probably went out live, so I doubt they even recorded it...
>
A copy does exist !!! A mate of mine has (albeit a very poor copy) of this show with Jon Pertwee. Aparently it doesn't exist in any official archive, and where this copy originally came from is unknown, but a film and video collector donated a copy to my mate ....
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Posted By John! on Wed Sep 6 22:55:55 BST 2000:

I'd very much like to see it. Pertwee was always very interesting in interviews. Great showman. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Thu Sep 7 15:24:01 BST 2000:

>I'd very much like to see it. Pertwee was always very interesting in interviews. Great showman.

I'm told the recently published biography of Jon Pertwee is the biggest stinking pile of knickers ever seen in print. The writer, whose name escapes me, makes facile, obvious statements about the entirety of Jon's career. Entertaining moments are glossed over with trivial comments, and the writer makes no attempt at any insightful commentary.

He doesn't even bother to interview anyone who knew Pertwee, socially or professionally. How much trouble would it have been to garner comments from Leslie Phillips about "The Navy Lark", or Geoffrey Bayldon & Una Stubbs about "Worzel"? Even fresh interviews with John Levene, Nick Courtney, Shaun Sutton, Lis Sladen et al might have yielded something new.

But no, it's a tedious read I'm told. His only attempt to include the testimony of others is to cut and paste quotes made by luminaries, published in broadsheet obituaries at the time of Jon's death.

The book is really only worth buying for Ingeborg's tribute to her late husband, which apparently is a superbly written account of Jon's gregarious and entertaining life.

Here's an interesting story from me. I went to see Tom Baker in "Arsenic and Old Lace" at the Richmond Theatre in the summer of 1994, the supporting cast included Patsy "Nursy" Byrne, Josephine Tewson, and Stephen "Tarrant" Pacey. A creaky old American farce, the cast all attempted American accents, and failed miserably. It was a hit 50's Hollywood movie with Cary Grant, and toured theatres in the States very successfully in the 40's and 50's with Boris Karloff in the part of Jonathan Brewster, subsequently played by Tom Baker.

Brewster is a criminal who has undergone plastic surgery to disguise his identity. But the scars are terrible, and at one point he quips that a bloke in the street told him he looked like Boris Karloff. From books and reviews I've read, it seems this went down a storm in the 50's when Karloff himself read the line - what a great pun.

Tom was shit, I'm sorry to say. He'd completely misread the part. He stalked around the stage, groaning like some amateur, as if he was trying to be Karloff's Frankenstein Monster. And the great "Karloff" line was a joke.

Anyway, the night I was there - Pertwee came and sat in the front row with his whole family!!! How ironic - that Pertwee should come and see Tom's worst ever theatrical performance, after all those years of emnity between them......
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Posted By Jon on Thu Sep 7 15:42:01 BST 2000:

"This went down a storm in the 50's when Karloff himself read the line - what a great pun."

But it's not a pun, it's an in-joke.

Anyway, I didn't know they got on badly. What was all that about? Did Pertwee get regenerated before he felt like it?

Also, how come the Dr's 1st incarnation was 760 years old before regenerating, but the others only managed a few years? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Thu Sep 7 16:37:46 BST 2000:

Didn't Pertwee ask for a payrise and the BBC told him to piss off?

And perhaps the reason the Doctor managed 760 years before his first regeneration is because he just used to sit about reading and sniffing Susan's bed sheets. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Thu Sep 7 20:26:56 BST 2000:

>Didn't Pertwee ask for a payrise and the BBC told him to piss off?

For years and years (because that's what was always printed in the likes of Dr Who Monthly et al) I always thought that he went of his own accord, because he felt his time was up - his best mate Roger Delgado was dead, Katy Manning had already left, Richard Franklin was on his way out along with the rest of UNIT, and with the production team changing he supposedly felt he wanted to go too.

In later years (eg. on "This Morning" in February 1996, alongside Roberta Tovey and Gary Gillatt) he started talking about how he'd asked the BBC for more money and the Head of Drama said, "we're sorry to see you go", without any sort of discussion ie. he was pushed.

The question is, is this a case of 'the truth will out', or did he just make it up because it sounded better. I'm minded to believe it's a combination of both, maybe he did ask for more, but when he was told no, he decided to leave because no one else was sticking around...

Anyway, he and Baker are supposed to have disliked each other from the word go, probably because Baker wouldn't tolerate any shit from Pertwee about being a senior Doctor or whatever.

While never criticising him, Baker subsequently always sent him up, eg. describing him as being like a very tall light bulb, glittering ("Who's Doctor Who?" 1977), or the whole "It's a pleasure to have you in the cab Mr Pertwee" scenario, and I suspect Pertwee didn't care for that...

In return, Pertwee always made it well-known that Baker would never muck in with the rest of the ex-Doctors and liked to do his own thing. I recall some incident around 1993 when Pertwee, Davison, McCoy and the 2 Bakers were all supposed to have been in some sort of car commercial, but when Tom refused to take part in the end, the commercial fell through because HE wouldn't have been there, thus depriving the other ex-Doctors of a potentially sizeable fee. Fair play to Tom, I say, if he wants to do his own thing.

>And perhaps the reason the Doctor managed 760 years before his first regeneration is because he just used to sit about reading and sniffing Susan's bed sheets.

Either that or Susan, an Academy-trained aromatherapist and masseuse, offered him her personal services... Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Richard on Fri Sep 8 09:55:16 BST 2000:

>Fair play to Tom, I say, if he wants to do his own thing.

But I wish he didn't do his own thing so much as it lead, for example, to him not taking part in 'The 5 Doctors'. I wonder what the beeb would have done if they hadn't had some suitable footage to use instead. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Fri Sep 8 10:28:33 BST 2000:

They would have probably put a floor manager in a wig and told him to 'act zany and speak deeply'.

I'm all for Tom doing his own thing. I think he's pretty much a wonderful bloke, and has done so much for us. How many other series can claim to have had such an interesting and unpredictable lead man for seven years? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Jon on Fri Sep 8 10:56:23 BST 2000:

Er, 'Countdown'? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By John! on Fri Sep 8 11:23:58 BST 2000:

Yeah, but that's now been going for 18 years, so it doesn't count.

And Tom Baker can't really hope to be as beautiful and charismatic as Richard Whiteley. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Jon on Fri Sep 8 11:32:27 BST 2000:

But Whiteley has his own Romana.
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Posted By John! on Fri Sep 8 12:04:01 BST 2000:

The noblest Romana of them all? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Stirrer!! on Fri Sep 8 22:11:16 BST 2000:

>The noblest Romana of them all?

& according to one of last week's Sunday papers as well, a right little go-er when she was younger as well! Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Sat Sep 9 23:34:28 BST 2000:

>>The noblest Romana of them all?
>
>& according to one of last week's Sunday papers as well, a right little go-er when she was younger as well!

Not 'arf!! You should see "Vampire Circus"...

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Posted By John! on Sun Sep 10 00:08:21 BST 2000:

Should I? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Sun Sep 10 00:34:10 BST 2000:

>Should I?

Well, the Honourable Lady Sarah Ward (Lalla to her pals) delivers a performance that is frankly, as Frankie would say, at her tittermost... It's also worth watching for that dignified and one-eyed star of "The Gunfighters" and "The Two Doctors", Laurence Payne, who's just brilliant as the hero who beats the vampires...
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Posted By John! on Sun Sep 10 00:36:04 BST 2000:

Well, I'll watch it for Lalla, but don't expect me to get aroused. Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Sun Sep 10 21:41:46 BST 2000:

>Well, I'll watch it for Lalla, but don't expect me to get aroused.

I don't - I've seen "Castrovalva"...

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Posted By John! on Mon Sep 11 13:30:07 BST 2000:

Haven't we all.

That was quite something.

Oh, and perhaps they should have just put 'Adric' as one of the TV Moments from Hell on Saturday? Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By TJ on Fri Sep 15 11:46:23 BST 2000:

I once overheard someone at a convention saying "I don't know which way Matthew Waterhouse would take it". Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Fri Sep 15 12:53:16 BST 2000:

>I once overheard someone at a convention saying "I don't know which way Matthew Waterhouse would take it".

What was s/he talking about? A poor review of Matthew's work, a reported insult from Tom Baker, a bribe to Matthew never to work on TV again, his lunch (a gone-off slice of quiche), or sexual favours from a fan?

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Posted By TJ on Fri Sep 15 13:05:56 BST 2000:

I don't know. Frankly, overheard conversations at conventions have always frightened me.

Not as much as Pertwee _almost_ picking up and flicking through a copy of 'Specious Claptrap' did, though. Brrrrrrrr... Subject: Re: Dr Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs Ep 1 in Colour !
Posted By Simon Harries on Fri Sep 15 19:40:21 BST 2000:

>I don't know. Frankly, overheard conversations at conventions have always frightened me.
>
>Not as much as Pertwee _almost_ picking up and flicking through a copy of 'Specious Claptrap' did, though. Brrrrrrrr...

I've two great photos of Pertwee at Panopticon '90 - one his eyes are shut while signing autographs, the other has him walking past at speed (so blurred) but with unfortunate looking teeth - hey, hey, are they dentures????!