I couldn't possibly comment... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Mon Jun 26 16:56:21 BST 2000:

I've just remembered that Jim Davidson doesn't like Paul Daniels. But that hardly counts, does it? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Justin on Mon Jun 26 17:15:13 BST 2000:

>I've just remembered that Jim Davidson doesn't like Paul Daniels. But that hardly counts, does it?

And neither of them likes Jimmy Savile. Couldn't we book a room for the three of them, or something? And televise it?

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Posted By Anonymous on Mon Jun 26 17:55:24 BST 2000:

There's Liam and Robbie. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Ewar Woowar on Mon Jun 26 20:20:40 BST 2000:

What about Newman and Baddiel? Peter Cook and Dudley Moore? Keith Allen and Everyone He's Ever Worked With (but only after the cheque's cleared)? Um...British RAilie and Mark Lamarr?




Ailie: sorry, couldn't resist! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Justin on Mon Jun 26 23:27:50 BST 2000:

I really don't have any evidence for this, but wasn't there a whole clutch of writers in the late 80s who were going to write for Rory Bremner and then he was so atrocious to work for that they buggered off sharpish? I'm not sure if it was anyone to do with Mary Whitehouse Experience, but I notice that when Danny Baker has a little dig at Bremner on Room 101 (and this was in early 1992) that Nick Hancock's laughter is decidedly caustic. Am I talking complete bollocks? Or does this ring a bell with someone? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Justin on Mon Jun 26 23:28:35 BST 2000:

Btw - Enfield and Fry. What's all that about then? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Tue Jun 27 08:16:53 BST 2000:

Rob Newman hated Bremner for mucking about with his scripts, apparently. See interviews from the early 90s.

Enfield doesn't like any Oxbridge comedy because he says it's just clever-clever shite. When SF was in that incident where someone from his old school tried to punch him, HE was asked in an interview and he said he could see their point. I remember the quote:

"Stephen Fry's treated like this grandfather of comedy... and he's never made a funny show." Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Tue Jun 27 09:15:03 BST 2000:

I thought Newman & Baddiel amicably called it a day - did they fall out, then? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By TJ on Tue Jun 27 12:13:40 BST 2000:

Best one of all, without question, Peter Cook and David Frost. Highpoint of this has to be Cook refusing the invitation to dinner at Frostie's with the calssic line "I've found I am watching television that night".

Chris Morris and Victor Lewis-Smith probably don't really count, as they seem to have been fuelled by a love of winding each other up rather than by actual hatred. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Tue Jun 27 12:22:58 BST 2000:

"Best one of all, without question, Peter Cook and David Frost. Highpoint of this has to be Cook refusing the invitation to dinner at Frostie's with the classic line "I've found I am watching television that night"."

I thought he used that line against the Duchess of York... perhaps there are several versions of the story in circulation. Or maybe Cook just re-used a good line. God knows, enough people recycle duff ones. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Al on Tue Jun 27 14:05:57 BST 2000:

I remember Danny Baker referring to the relationship between Chris Morris and Chris Evans while they were at GLR as being akin to that of 'the Arabs and the Jews'. Can anyone shed any light on this? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Justin on Tue Jun 27 16:14:12 BST 2000:

>I thought Newman & Baddiel amicably called it a day - did they fall out, then?

Wasn't it just that they fell out professionally? That series for BBC2 was very strange - whether we can trust whoever quoted (producer) Harry Thompson's claim that "you could barely get them in the same studio by the time in went into production".

I don't know Newman's position on it, but if Baddiel's asked, he's always keen to say that they still see each other sometimes and get on. And he's the confessional type of comic who would say if he really hated something, I suspect.

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Posted By Justin on Tue Jun 27 16:18:02 BST 2000:

>Rob Newman hated Bremner for mucking about with his scripts, apparently. See interviews from the early 90s.
>
Thanks - I had a feeling it wasn't just me.
Was it a Vox interview where Newman pissed himself every time the word "pants" was mentioned? Might even have been the first ever issue (1990ish).

>Enfield doesn't like any Oxbridge comedy because he says it's just clever-clever shite.

Presumably he forgot about Hislop and Nick Newman then. But yeah, I can believe it.

When SF was in that incident where someone from his old school tried to punch him, HE was asked in an interview and he said he could see their point. I remember the quote:
>
>"Stephen Fry's treated like this grandfather of comedy... and he's never made a funny show."

Looking at Enfield's recent form, he's in no position....

Incidentally, am I the only one to wonder if the "ironic" bitterness he displayed in that Fast Show documentary last yearabout the overwhelming popularity of Whitehouse & Higson's baby was not so ironic. He might be great at characters, but you can see through the real him a mile off, on that evidence.
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Posted By Jon on Tue Jun 27 16:30:08 BST 2000:

I missed The Fast Show documentary, what do you mean exactly? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Justin on Tue Jun 27 19:03:12 BST 2000:

>I missed The Fast Show documentary, what do you mean exactly?

Every time Enfield was interviewed on the subject, he had this sort of "I turned down all these characters for my show so Whitehouse said I'll show you Enfield" kind of act. Now, I'm sure everyone involved is convinced there's no bitterness there, but Enfield was protesting so much about it (and, er, it wasn't a funny idea anyway, especially as Enfield's not really had a good idea since the Smashie & Nicey doc which came out in 1994 - less than six months before Fast Show premiered). Bascially Enfield said all Whitehouse & Higson's characters were one-dimensional/same joke every week etc. (as funny as some of them are, what does that make some of Enfield's creations?), and so he told them to go off and do their own show. Which, of course, they did. And it certainly put their former boss's work in the shade.

All I'm doing is reading between the lines, but for me at least, if Harry Enfield was trying to adopt a guise of "bitter former colleague", he fitted the bill too well.

Did anyone else see it? I'll see if I've still got it on tape somewhere...
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Posted By Ewar Woowar on Tue Jun 27 19:26:35 BST 2000:

Yeah I saw that, and I wondered the same thing. Enfield seemed quite uncomfortable throughout, but perhaps he just doesn't like being himself on camera. But what about Whitehouse and Higson - I thought their contempt toward Enfield was more vicious and far more believable. But then, they are much better actors ;o) Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By zaber on Tue Jun 27 23:29:53 BST 2000:

Damn, this thread is so interesting. I can't get enough of this stuff!

> Chris Morris despises Mark Thomas, and vice versa.

So what's the story there?

Re: Newman & Baddiel - Baddiel mentioned on Unplanned that they had a massive argument, but then seemed to suggest there's no ill will between them now (at least from David to Robert.) Another thing I noticed whilst rewatching Unplanned was that when Baddiel mentioned necrophilia, Skinner did a Jimmy Saville impression, and then acted a little odd about it. Anyone know what's going on there?
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Posted By TJ on Wed Jun 28 00:18:52 BST 2000:

Chris Morris/Mark Thomas: all that I know for certain is that CM once described Thomas as "someone who goes around bullying secretaries", while Thomas once went on at great length about how he thinks CM shows no compassion for the people who _really_ get hurt by his hoaxes. What's the story with CM and Chris Evans then??? Oh and I know two aspiring comedy performers who loathe each other, but neither of them are famous yet. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Wed Jun 28 07:03:03 BST 2000:

Re: J Saville

So is JS the TV figure parodied in Irvine Welsh's short story 'Lorraine Goes To Livingston'?

I haven't read it, but I know it involves a celebrity very fond of visiting mortuaries. Welsh was asked when it came out, and he very guardedly said that it was loosely inspired by a real person.

I think Lamarr made some refernce on NMTB as well. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By dr_hackenbush on Wed Jun 28 08:53:00 BST 2000:

If you saw the documentary on Jimmy Saville with that thin bloke who used to be on Michael Moore's TV Nation, you'll know that JS has preserved his mother's room exactly as it was when she died. He has also apparently chosen not to have sexual relationships. This is probably the basis for the idea that he is a coffin-fiddler. I doubt he is. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Wed Jun 28 11:14:55 BST 2000:

Back in 92 there was a US teenage pop duo called Kriss Kross, who would wear their trousers back to front.

I was present when Rob Newman told a large hall full of people that they looked like "they've just made a quick exit from Jimmy Saville's dressing room".

Now let's close the lid on this... sorry... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By TJ on Wed Jun 28 11:29:08 BST 2000:

Not strictly a comedy feud, but a class one all the same: in the early 1990s, some kind of argument erupted between David Quantick and Paul Weller over a negative review. At the time, Quantick was doing his (actually really good) "Quantick's World" slot on "Collins And Maconie's Hit Parade" on Radio 1, and suddenly he started to work sniping references to Weller in at every available opportunity. I know it all sounds a bit childish, but as far as I remember it was both amusing and actually quite exciting, waiting to see just how he would work the mod-fixated John Noakes lookalike into his rant each week... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Anonymous on Thu Jun 29 00:19:51 BST 2000:

There's still a page of transcript from an ep of HIGNYF involving Jimmy Saville hanging around on this site, unlinked to. Makes interesting reading. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Thu Jun 29 07:22:03 BST 2000:

You couldn't do something useful and tell us how to get to it, could you? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Thu Jun 29 16:23:32 BST 2000:

Yeah, go on. This thread's great, nothing like a bit of celeb catfighting to cheer you up! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Thu Jun 29 16:39:13 BST 2000:

I just remembered: Caroline Aherne (Mrs Merton) doesn't like Reeves & Mortimer. But I think the point is just that she doesn't think they're funny, not anything personal. However, I didn't see her on Room 101, so could anyone enlighten us more... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Anonymous on Thu Jun 29 17:40:00 BST 2000:

I'm not sure I should say, as Rob could get red and angry.

Oh well.

http://mudhole.spodnet.uk.com/~frogger/corpses/hidden/hignfy.html Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Ewar Woowar on Thu Jun 29 18:28:16 BST 2000:

Jesus...I feel ill... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Thu Jun 29 19:05:44 BST 2000:

Whoah. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By sherar on Thu Jun 29 20:44:42 BST 2000:

Oh god that really is unsettling. I'll have nightmares! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By PJ on Thu Jun 29 21:17:40 BST 2000:

I can't believe that.. it's amazing... perhaps if we saw material like that on the show it might actually become good again.
After watching the Louis Thereaux interview, i started to wonder about JS but that's amazing. If only more comedy shows had such deep dark secrets. Do they? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Anonymous on Fri Jun 30 00:25:59 BST 2000:

i don't think it's something to celebrate PJ. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Fri Jun 30 07:28:02 BST 2000:

My word. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Al on Fri Jun 30 08:23:46 BST 2000:

Not something to celebrate - but an extraordinary thing all the same. Who is Sarah Cornley? Does anyone know any more about this story?

Has anyone seen the rushes? Is Merton as angry as he seems to be in the transcript? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Líam on Fri Jun 30 09:58:04 BST 2000:

This is not the first time that Merton has lost it on HIGNFY. Other "hidden" scripts also show Merton going off on some quite angry tirades against guests ( paula yates, glenda jackson etc)

When, a few years ago, one episode from each series was repeated, series 3 was left out mainly becuase of the cutting-job needed to cut out Merton's triades. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Fri Jun 30 11:14:54 BST 2000:

When I started this strand, I thought it would just be "X says that Y nicked his material" or "X says that Y is a posh twat".

Not any of this.

Can we move in the other direction now, please? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By mk on Fri Jun 30 12:01:27 BST 2000:

hell no!
>
>when i saw the Louis Thereaux interview, i started to wonder about JS
<snip>
exactly , me too. but i didnt jump to any conclusions about him being a child abuser like merton seems to have. What, if anything, does he know that we dont?
Just cos a blokes a bit eccentric and unwilling/unable to form relationships with women dosent make him a viable target for semi-public humiliation like that!
If its true then fine but clearly theres no proof or he'd be inside or dead or both.
did this occur b4 or after the louis interview?
did anyone walk out?
I didnt see the actual episode, presuming some of it made it to air.
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Posted By mk on Fri Jun 30 12:04:20 BST 2000:

and how authentic is that transcript?
was it transcribed by the corpses or sent in? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Fri Jun 30 12:32:41 BST 2000:

Yes... I did wonder why Merton agreed to it, if he felt so strongly. Ther'd be no way in hell anything like that could ever be broadcast. And how did they manage to continue recording after something like that? Why didn't the audience leak the story out? Or did they?

However, I find the whole thing overall plausible... now can we move on from it? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Ailie on Fri Jun 30 13:29:16 BST 2000:

>Um...British RAilie and Mark Lamarr?

>Ailie: sorry, couldn't resist!


:0)

For what it's worth, since the topic of Mark Lamarr has been brought up, he's had fairly public 'disagreements' with two complete twats, namely Chris Moyles and Chris Evans...

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Posted By Ewar Woowar on Fri Jun 30 15:17:56 BST 2000:

Yes, but this thread is about hatred between *comedians*.

OK, OK, back in the knife drawer with me... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Ailie on Fri Jun 30 15:22:35 BST 2000:

>Yes, but this thread is about hatred between *comedians*.


*snarl*

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Posted By dodo on Fri Jun 30 16:05:45 BST 2000:

Hey that is a bit harsh Ewar. Moyles and Evans are on the breach of comedy... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Pink Moon on Fri Jun 30 23:34:42 BST 2000:

Sorry to bring it up again, but that Jimmy Saville link seems to be down. Has it been purposefully removed? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Helen on Fri Jun 30 23:36:59 BST 2000:

Erm, Hi. Not posted in this forum before, although I've been reading it for quite a while now, but I felt moved to post, as the link mentioned by "anonymous" doesn't appear to be working for me. Is this a genuine glitch; or some sort of sinister censorship, the likes of which I thought the Corpses were against? What was the general gist of the transcript? Was there a transcript at all, or is it one big hoax to make gullible people such as myself think that we're missing out on something exciting? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Helen on Fri Jun 30 23:41:33 BST 2000:

Argh, Pink Moon got there before me!
Dammit. My first message, made completely redundant. Ah well... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Sat Jul 1 00:13:50 BST 2000:

It was there, it did exist, but has mysteriously vanished now. Quite..er..interesting reading too. Only wish I'd saved it. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Anonymous on Sat Jul 1 00:21:30 BST 2000:

Oddly enough, I knew this would happen, and have saved it. Not sure where I should put it though. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Sat Jul 1 00:25:19 BST 2000:

in my inbox?? pleaaaase? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Gee on Sat Jul 1 02:12:25 BST 2000:

I had always believed that Keith Allen was packing some, whenever his name is mentioned people always say: "Big nob". I now realise that this may be some kind of reproach. But I shan't let this diminish my respect for him. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Gee on Sat Jul 1 02:17:53 BST 2000:

Sorry that should have gone in the Keith Allen thread. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Sat Jul 1 02:33:37 BST 2000:

that's what you get for staying up late Gee-oh. Tsk! Get to bed at a reasonable hour and you wouldn't make such errors *rofl* Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Sat Jul 1 11:22:57 BST 2000:

"Was there a transcript at all, or is it one big hoax to make gullible people such as myself think that we're missing out on something exciting?"

It did exist. It might be my fault that Rob S took it down, as I mailed asking whether SOTCAA could get into legal trouble. He replied no. I also mailed him wondering if it could be a hoax (which I don't believe, though I can see it might be possible).

I don't believe it was a hoax, because there is something convincing about the way Saville comes across. But why did Merton go ahead with it, and how could they continue in front of the audience that had witnessed all that? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Al on Sat Jul 1 15:50:41 BST 2000:

If someone has the HIGNFY transcript saved I'd really (not sure if like is the right word, but hey ho) like a copy of it. If someone is prepared to send it I'll post my e-mail. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Ewar Woowar on Sat Jul 1 18:28:31 BST 2000:

I've got it saved, but it's at work, I can send it to you on Monday. Not that I piss about on forums at work or anything. Oh no. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Sat Jul 1 19:24:12 BST 2000:

Well, who does THAT? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Al on Sat Jul 1 19:24:16 BST 2000:

Thanks Ewar. My e-mail is alasdaircm@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Nik on Sat Jul 1 19:35:58 BST 2000:

Umm, could I be dead cheeky and ask for a copy too?

nik@nhorne.worldonline.co.uk

Ta. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Nik on Sat Jul 1 19:43:54 BST 2000:

Didn't Jim "Cunt" Davidson used to take every available opportunity to slag off Ben Elton? I seem to recall a later occasion when he was asked about this in an interview and he said something like he'd since met Ben Elton and he wasn't such a bad bloke after all.

Was there ever a real rivalry between Newman & Badiel and Reeves & Mortimer? When I saw N&B live, one of the audience for some reason kept shouting "you lying get!" at them. Badiel responded with "isn't that a Vic Reeves catchphrase? that's not a good way to endear yourself to us".

With regard to Enfield/Higson/Whitehouse I don't really think Harry Enfield is that bitter. I'm sure I remember him appearing on the Clive Anderson show when the Fast Show was at the height of its success, singing it's praises and "doing" several of its characters.

Then again I suppose that could have been him saying "I can do this as well as either of them....". Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Sat Jul 1 20:10:44 BST 2000:

Ooh me too please! suiii@lynzie.8k.com Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Ewar Woowar on Sat Jul 1 20:22:13 BST 2000:

I can see I'm going to get *loads* of work done on Monday! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Sat Jul 1 20:56:51 BST 2000:

A considerable change from the norm I'm sure!! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Al on Sat Jul 1 21:13:23 BST 2000:

I don't mind forwarding the transcript to people, just in case you'd rather get on with some work ;0) Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Ewar Woowar on Sat Jul 1 21:39:43 BST 2000:

Hell, no! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Sat Jul 1 21:49:18 BST 2000:

That's the spirit!! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Helen on Sat Jul 1 22:36:30 BST 2000:

Any chance I could get a copy too, please; seeing as I was too late to see it before it disappeared? I'm mightily intrigued by it all. Ta muchly!
starkitten_81@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Anonymous on Sat Jul 1 23:30:31 BST 2000:

The transcript just reappeared here:

http://www.geocities.com/parody_uk Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Sat Jul 1 23:43:01 BST 2000:

As if by magic! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Nik on Sat Jul 1 23:48:11 BST 2000:

Bloody hell! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Nik on Sat Jul 1 23:54:45 BST 2000:

Diane Abbott seems to have kept pretty quiet throughout all that.

Can't say I blame her mind.... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Sat Jul 1 23:56:17 BST 2000:

Interesting isn't it?! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Al on Sat Jul 1 23:59:25 BST 2000:

And has now disappeared again - the link seems not to work. Do I detect the sinister hand of Saville at work??? Looks like you'll still have some e-mails to send Ewar... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Sun Jul 2 00:02:16 BST 2000:

I can still get it! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Nik on Sun Jul 2 00:05:21 BST 2000:

I've saved it. I might forward it to the Radio Times and suggest Alison Graham uses it as the basis for her next column. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Al on Sun Jul 2 00:08:11 BST 2000:

Nope - keep getting told 'Yahoo! Geocities can't find your page' - what's going on? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Anonymous on Sun Jul 2 00:11:28 BST 2000:

s'ok Al, its winging its way to your inbox Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Al on Sun Jul 2 00:23:47 BST 2000:

Ta! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Sun Jul 2 00:39:06 BST 2000:

No probs! You owe me a packet of Chewits though!! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Al on Sun Jul 2 00:49:29 BST 2000:

Fine - how do I attach them to an e-mail??? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Suiii on Sun Jul 2 01:00:18 BST 2000:

Haven't quite got that one figured! Attach them to a pigeons leg and fly them to me! Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By John! on Sun Jul 2 12:45:59 BST 2000:

Now with FREE yellow egg. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By dr_h on Sun Jul 2 12:49:43 BST 2000:

Man, I'm not trusting Rob Sedgebeer with my "secret" information if that was his idea of security. And why remove the document after people found it? "Sinister censorship", huh? It'll probably end up as an e-mail chain letter now. I really hope it's not a hoax. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By PJ on Sun Jul 2 17:43:55 BST 2000:

Al those incidents appear to occur early on - so where there no more? It seems strange that the show would just carry on and there'd be no more related incidents. Will we get any information.

Perhaps this explains why Merton never laughs (except at weird things) during the show - because he always starts with slanderous comments towards the guests. (this is slander isn't it?) Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Ewar Woowar on Sun Jul 2 21:49:31 BST 2000:

If anyone still needs the transcript tomorrow let me know. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Radish on Sun Jul 2 21:57:36 BST 2000:

Jesus! All that on top of the Louis Theroux doc is really going to feed my nightmares for the next few years. Just a little bit of confirmation is all that we ask. Anyone got Jimmy/Paul/Sarah's e-mail address? Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Mon Jul 3 07:11:04 BST 2000:

I think it would be a really good idea to forward the transcript to Alison Graham. Better still, Polly Toynbee. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By MM on Mon Jul 3 11:31:38 BST 2000:

I don't think that it is a hoax. From what I remember of the trans-thingy there's a point, in one of the earlier exchanges, where Hislop seem to be about to mention the incident but doesn't. It's only later on that he mentions a name - then Merton flips.
The point being that Hislop knew the details, quite specific details at that. The kind of info that the editor of PE would know.

MM Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Mon Jul 3 16:52:44 BST 2000:

But then why not use them as a story? Or why haven't the less scrupulous tabloids got the story?
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Posted By MM on Tue Jul 4 09:55:50 BST 2000:

I'm gonna guess, based on the amount mentioned, that this is an old story.
Sometime in the 80's perhaps?

MM Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Tue Jul 4 11:36:56 BST 2000:

This strand has run up 92 postings in 1 week. Which averages about 11.5 per day. Most new strands seem to get about 3 or 4 in their first day.

Which makes me proud of it... we've obviously discovered great rich seams of contempt, loathing and hatred running through the comedy mountains... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By kinder surprise on Tue Jul 4 13:50:22 BST 2000:

That last comment made me rather aroused. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Ailie on Tue Jul 4 14:19:16 BST 2000:

*snigger*



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Posted By Mogwai on Fri Jul 7 15:01:12 BST 2000:

Are we any further towards confirming or denying this, then? Is Sir James indeed a senile old shitter? On the strength of the Theroux programme, the line "I advise you to wash your mouth out, my friend" appears to be pure Saville, while the moment where he says something unsettling out of the blue and then claims it was a joke ("I thought this was supposed to be a comedy programme", etc) also seems to be entirely in character.

Even if this all turns out to be a bizarre hoax, it's still one of the most gloriously unpleasant things I've ever read.
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Posted By Justin on Fri Jul 7 18:08:45 BST 2000:

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

Suddenly remembered from an interview in The Independent about two years ago:

Harry Enfield talking of his hatred for lad-comedy in general (what the hell's HE doing then?) and Baddiel in particular. He started saying something along the lines of "I hate his disgusting act about pornography" etc. But it somehow seemed to run deeper than that.

I saw Harry Enfield & Chums last night (another mediocre repeat, thanks very much BBC2). Considering it was the first episode made (1994), it was mostly really knackered stuff, the Tim Nice But Dim antiques sketch was embarrassingly poor, and the Slobs 10 Year Itch thing appeared to last a similar amount of time. As for bloke with High Voice, Enfield's in no position to sound off about the one-dimensionality of Fast Show characters. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Alan on Fri Jul 7 18:20:02 BST 2000:

I remember an Enfield "Slobs" sketch where Wayne is watching Newman & Baddiel In Pieces and laughing himself hoarse, while all they're saying is words like "wank" and "cock". It was the most blatant and pathetic attempt to rubbish the opposition, and also missed the mark - the fact that N&B were forever banging on and on about how crap they were at relationships would have been a more legitimate target.

If anyone is open to the criticism that their show consists entirely of single words or phrases designed to elicit a knee-jerk laugh of recognition from a pliant and doting audience, it's... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By SS Club 7 on Sun Jul 9 12:11:36 BST 2000:

Send a transcript this way, someone please:

SlomanJuk@webbox.com

Ta. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Pink Moon on Sun Jul 9 13:43:19 BST 2000:

>I remember an Enfield "Slobs" sketch where Wayne is watching Newman & Baddiel In Pieces and laughing himself hoarse, while all they're saying is words like "wank" and "cock". It was the most blatant and pathetic attempt to rubbish the opposition, and also missed the mark - the fact that N&B were forever banging on and on about how crap they were at relationships would have been a more legitimate target.
>

I remember that sketch. It actually starts off with Wayne laughing at Hale and Pace, who are heard saying things like "Bottoms" and "Willy" to great amusement. It ends with him switching over to Newman and Baddiel who, because they are middle-class, say "Penis" instead.
I think you're right about it being a thinly-veiled attack on N&B. Pretty childish behaviour, really. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Jon on Mon Jul 10 07:01:55 BST 2000:

The sketch also featured Waynetta telling Wayne that she preferred N&B to H&P because they'd gone to Cambridge University.

See Enfield's view of Fry, above... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Ailie on Mon Jul 10 13:02:48 BST 2000:

> It ends with him switching over to Newman and Baddiel who, because they are middle-class, say "Penis" instead.


No! If I remember correctly, they went to Cambridge and say 'PENISE!' Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Pink Moon on Mon Jul 10 17:02:18 BST 2000:

>> It ends with him switching over to Newman and Baddiel who, because they are middle-class, say "Penis" instead.
>
>
>No! If I remember correctly, they went to Cambridge and say 'PENISE!'

Oh yeah, that's right, PENISE! Sorry, I'd forgotten that. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Mike J on Tue Jul 11 11:20:54 BST 2000:

Another grovelling request for a transcript of that Merton/Saville business (pitifully late too - I'm obviously reading the wrong threads)...

tourajsig2@yahoo.com

Regards... Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Mary on Tue Jul 11 12:01:57 BST 2000:

Likewise if anyone feels like killing a few minutes by sending a transcript to kabuki103@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated as it appears to have stirred up a rather spectacular reaction among those that have already seen it. Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By ttp on Tue Jul 11 14:52:06 BST 2000:

And could ttptowers@hotmail.com have a copy too? Thanks in advance Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Peter Ohanraohanrahan on Tue Jul 11 18:32:06 BST 2000:

still seems to be here...

http://www.geocities.com/parody_uk/ Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By Anonymous on Tue Jul 18 12:54:23 BST 2000:

>Interesting isn't it?!

Bloody Hell - Just read it - I just hope it was an idle threat. Even so, you can't defend the first thing. Jimmy is a bit odd, though. I'd like to see the whole episode again, to see whether Jimmy acted differently after the 'revelation' was brought up.
Subject: Re: Contempt, loathing, hatred...
Posted By mk on Wed Jul 19 10:33:21 BST 2000:

i still cant get it from that link:
http://www.geocities.com/parody_uk/
it just turns into:
http://www.geocities.com/notbbc.css
which 'cant be found'
is this more underhand cencorship?
pretty clever if it is!




Now then now then Posted Thu Jun 29 11:40:21 BST 2000 by Jimmy Saville

What is this about the corpses being arousing?

Subject: Re: Now then now then
Posted By Squigy on Thu Jun 29 11:59:36 BST 2000:

>What is this about the corpses being arousing?
>

A post from Sir Jimmy Savile himself!!
How's about THAT then??? Subject: Re: Now then now then
Posted By TJ on Thu Jun 29 12:22:02 BST 2000:

Now then, now then, we've had a lovely letter from a lucky little boy named Squigy, who wants to... what DO you want to do, Squigy??? Subject: Re: Now then now then
Posted By Squigy on Thu Jun 29 16:21:59 BST 2000:

I wan na dwive a fiwe enjin...

Pwease fix it fah me....

Subject: Re: Now then now then
Posted By dr_hackenbush on Thu Jun 29 17:40:34 BST 2000:

I find all this rumour-mongering about JS distasteful. Whatever he supposedly does while opening children's hospitals, he's not hurting a living soul and he HAS done a lot of good work in his life. If you're going to spread this kind of baseless rumour, do it about Iain "Sticky Fingers" Lee. Subject: Re: Now then now then
Posted By Jon on Fri Jun 30 11:25:08 BST 2000:

"I find all this rumour-mongering about JS distasteful. Whatever he supposedly does while opening children's hospitals, he's not hurting a living soul and he HAS done a lot of good work in his life. If you're going to spread this kind of baseless rumour, do it about Iain "Sticky Fingers" Lee. "

You were going so well... then you threw it away by endorsing the whole thing. Subject: Re: Now then now then
Posted By Jon on Fri Jun 30 11:25:49 BST 2000:

Can The Corpses get sued for all this stuff, by the way? Subject: Re: Now then now then
Posted By dr_h on Fri Jun 30 13:43:00 BST 2000:

I did say "baseless" rumour. Anyway, nothing Iain "Cow & Gate" Lee does in his personal life could be more offensive than 4 series of ... that show.
It seems to have been established that *ISPs* are responsible if they do not take reasonable care to prevent and remove defamatory posts.
See http://slashdot.org/articles/00/03/30/0631246.shtml
I don't think it would apply to a web forum, necessarily.
Subject: Re: Now then now then
Posted By kinder surprise on Sat Jul 1 22:21:44 BST 2000:

It all makes sense! Jimmy is guilt ridden into charity work.

Has no one ever questioned the inspiration behind Rob Newman's dedication to benefit gigs?




Sir James Saville OBE Posted Fri Jul 7 17:59:01 BST 2000 by Mogwai

I alerted Private Eye to the existence of the HIGNFY transcript (see the Contempt, loathing, hatred... thread for details) and got the following reply:

>I showed Ian Hislop the transcript. He doesn't recognise it.
>Hope this helps.

>Mary Aylmer
>Private Eye

Do the Corpses have some explaining to do?

Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Al on Fri Jul 7 18:03:54 BST 2000:

That looks like a non-denial denial to me. 'Not recognizing' something is not the same as denying categorically that the dialogue ever took place. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Alan on Fri Jul 7 18:11:48 BST 2000:

He might have been so pissed at the time that he doesn't remember. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Jon on Sun Jul 9 12:21:23 BST 2000:

He's only saying he doesn't recognise the transcript... but unless he saw one in the first place, why should he? Doesn't show that it didn't happen, and a year in the life of a PE editor would blur the details of non-broadcast dialogue, etc.

Johnny Rotten can't remeber most of the Winterland gig. But it all happened. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Anonymous on Sun Jul 9 12:45:26 BST 2000:

You sound like you want it to be true!


Yeah, me too. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Peter Ohanraohanrahan on Mon Jul 10 21:03:11 BST 2000:

Where's the real audio recording of the sound track, eh?

Surely the person who made that transcript could sort it out...

I'd love to hear it. If it's real, then Merton is the reincarnation of Peter Cook. It's like Derek and Clive. Superb! Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Unruly Butler on Mon Jul 10 22:52:08 BST 2000:

Yeah! If the transcript is true, it shows that what we see of Merton on screen is but the tip of a massive pile of boiling spite. How much better would his TV series have been if the Saville version of Merton had done it, rather than the oh-look-it's-a-dolphin-I'm-being-surreal Merton...

The HIGNFY outtake upped my estimation of Paul M boundlessly. No wonder the media cognoscenti said that Louis Theroux let Sir Jimmy off lightly in his (otherwise excellent) documentary... Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Peter Ohanraohanrahan on Tue Jul 11 18:20:49 BST 2000:

Odd that they gave him the Room 101 gig...

Here's hoping that he's presenting the Queen Mum birthday coverage... "here comes the senile old slapper now... look at those tits... like fried eggs..." Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Alan on Tue Jul 11 19:42:29 BST 2000:

Actually I thought he did an excellent job on Room 101. Didn't just do a Hancock and spew out ten minutes of weak pre-written material every time his guest opened their fucking mouth.

How come Hancock's getting such an easy ride on this forum, by the way? Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Peter Ohanraohanrahan on Tue Jul 11 21:41:14 BST 2000:

I don't know. Personally I'd like to push my willy in his ear. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Alan on Tue Jul 11 22:54:35 BST 2000:

Damn right. I'd like to push your willy in his ear too. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By MM on Wed Jul 12 07:52:54 BST 2000:

>How come Hancock's getting such an easy ride on this forum, by the way?

Because its a forum about comedy, no relevance to Hancock.

Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Jon on Wed Jul 12 08:04:30 BST 2000:

I saw that last message first, and thought you were blaspheming against Saint Tony. Lucky I looked further back before releasing a torrent of abuse... Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By PJ on Wed Jul 12 19:24:11 BST 2000:

Hancock's got an new series on BBC one - suposedly similar to This is your Life, but 'funny'. Sounds like a good idea. there can never be enough programmes which are like 'something', but funny. No, honestly. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Peter Ohanraohanrahan on Wed Jul 12 21:05:06 BST 2000:

But he's dead isn't he? How can he have a new series? Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By PJ on Thu Jul 13 00:15:54 BST 2000:

Animatronics - this is the '00's you know. They just stick his face on sombody whose not very famous or funny - like Nick Hancock. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Peter Ohanraohanrahan on Thu Jul 13 20:52:40 BST 2000:

'Justaaace' Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Mark on Thu Jul 13 23:49:34 BST 2000:

Back on topic - on today's update of Bubblegun (www.bubblegun.com) is the following:

NAME THAT CELEB
13 July

+++ Which celebrity guest on BBC2's Have I Got News For You bravely grinned and bared it when regulars Paul Merton and Ian Hislop confronted him over rumours that he was a secret paedophile? In fact, Merton was so disgusted at being on the same team as this un-named guest that he threatened to walk out. The floor manager and host Angus Deaton - who insisted Merton apologise (he didn't - he instead called the guest “A dirty old cunt who likes underage girls”) - tried in vain to keep the show afloat. But who is the guest in question?

Anyone going to own up? Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Mogwai on Fri Jul 14 10:46:26 BST 2000:

I asked Bubblegun about it - they said they'd downloaded it themselves. They also said that "We have it on fairly good
authority via our TV industry contacts, that it is genuine. Allegedly."

Also this week, top scurrilous pop e-mail zine 'popbitch' has mailed the whole transcript to its entire subscription list (I received it in my mailbox this morning). Incidentally, 'popbitch' is worth a look anyway, as they're gleefully exploiting the fact that e-mail libel laws are still in their infancy by printing all the gutter pop star gossip that no-one would dare to print - www.popbitch.com if you're interested.

This Saville thing is gathering momentum... how long before it bursts out of the e-mail circuit and into public consciousness?
Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Blake Connolly on Fri Jul 14 11:41:47 BST 2000:

Yeah, it's starting to pop up here and there already.. makes you wonder how much stuff was hidden away before email.

Bleedin' shocking, by the way. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Al on Fri Jul 14 12:08:52 BST 2000:

It certainly is - after e-mailing it to several people on this forum I received it back from a mate who works for Time Out - it's definitely 'doing the rounds'. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Jon on Fri Jul 14 12:27:55 BST 2000:

But why didn't someone in the studio audience put it out shortly after it happened?

I still believe in it though. The lines just SOUND right. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Matty on Fri Jul 14 22:43:35 BST 2000:

bloody hell... i've just read the transcript and i think Jon's right - the lines sound like what merton and saville would actually say. of course, it could just be a hoax by a very, very clever person... Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Mark on Fri Jul 14 23:16:23 BST 2000:

And still the media frenzy continues... From today's NTK (www.ntk.net - under Anti-News):
-
no, JIMMY SAVILLE Have I Got News For You "transcript" cannot be "for real"
-
Do they have evidence to the contrary? Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By ntk on Mon Jul 17 11:30:38 BST 2000:

Jimmy Saville is a very close friend of our Website, and would never respond in that way to such barbs.

love,

d.
Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By mk on Mon Jul 17 13:57:54 BST 2000:

>Yeah, it's starting to pop up here and there already.. makes you wonder how much stuff was hidden away before email.
maybe its because of e-mail that more stories like this get made up.
> Incidentally, 'popbitch' is worth a look anyway, as they're gleefully exploiting the fact
that e-mail libel laws are still in their infancy

i dont want to come over all establishmentarian but what if , just maybe, saville isnt guilty of this and the transcript is made up. wont we all feel like total cunts for a) (re-)igniting the rumour and b) believing it.

Given the amount of wankers who write hoax virus warnings as chain letters, maybe some of them are turning their hand to a kind of "incredibly gossipable rumour" chain letter , just to see how far it travels.
This may become an urban legend in years to come.

I was just playing devil's advocate back there btw, does anyone have any bright ideas about how we can find out for sure if said outburst actually happened?
who was that girl mentioned by Ian ( i didnt save it when i read it - but no doubt I'll get the opportunity soon) do we know anymore about that yet? It sounded like ian was referring to a specific accusation previously levelled at jimmy. or maybe he was joking to give that effect. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Jon on Mon Jul 17 17:32:48 BST 2000:

"I was just playing devil's advocate back there btw, does anyone have any bright ideas about how we can find out for sure if said outburst actually happened?"

Well, I mailed Rob S asking him if he knew if The Corpses had the rushes or had seen them. The style of the transcript is similar to other things in SOTCAA, suggesting they prepared it themselves.

Rob S didn't reply. Why don't we all mail him, then he can't ignore us? Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Alan on Tue Jul 18 08:38:00 BST 2000:

>Rob S didn't reply. Why don't we all mail him, then he can't ignore us?

He has been noticeably quiet on this topic. It's quite possible that, as someone else has suggested, the Corpses want to protect their source; equally, they may be concerned about being named in any future legal action. However it could be argued that they maybe should have thought of that before they posted the thing on their website and, as a bonus, had the sheer chutzpah to claim copyright for it. The words "heat" and "kitchen"...

Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By MM on Tue Jul 18 10:37:22 BST 2000:

The original link to the trans-thingy wasn't posted by Rob, it was done anonymously
and the post said:
'I'm not sure I should say, as Rob could get red and angry.
Oh well.'
That link was to an area on the site where Rob/Corpses store stuff
not for public consumption - I'm guessing, but it was in an area called hidden - ie you won't find a published link to it on the website, you'll have to know it's there.
The link setup on geocities was also posted anonymously, probably by the same person as the orignal anon post.

MM Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By MM on Tue Jul 18 10:50:58 BST 2000:

Ok what a crock of shite, the 'hidden' part of the original link was reference to
the hidden archive section of the site, but it still wasn't published on the page.
I think I'll just shut me hole.

MM Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By dr_hackenbush on Tue Jul 18 15:01:55 BST 2000:

No MM, I think you were right first time. If you look at the URLs, the actual articles in the hidden archive section do not contain a reference to "hidden" e.g:
http://mudhole.spodnet.uk.com/~frogger/corpses/update1/12ronnies.html

So I think the "hidden" in the original transcript URL probably referred to the fact that it was actually supposed to have been hidden.
"Anonymous", the person who originally posted the URL has since (apparently) posted to the "Saville - The Truth" thread and said they found the article due to Rob Sedgebeer's habit of commenting out links to articles not yet ready for publication. So this person must have been reading the source code of the web pages. To pick up HTML tips, or because they were involved with the production of the site in some way?
Also, in IE 5.0, when I right-click on the hidden archive page (to, for example, view the source) I get a "Menu Unavailable" message. This is the ONLY section index page that displays this behaviour. Coincidence? Or something more sinister? Like Rob S. trying to stop us finding more "hidden" links?
Does anyone happen to have the "hidden archive" page pre-Saville-transcript-revelation cached somewhere? I can't seem to get it off Google. Subject: Re: Sir James Saville OBE
Posted By Anonymous on Tue Jul 18 21:45:17 BST 2000:

> To pick up HTML tips, or because they were involved with the production of the site in some way?

Nope, I found it because I'm nosy. I have no link with the creators of this site.

As I've written previously, I did mention it to Rob in a thread ages ago, but he chose to leave the file still available, and didn't change the page. I took this to mean he wasn't too bothered.

Rob has also set up some Javascript to prevent you popping up the menu and reading the source. This doesn't stop you saving it to disk, of course.




News travels fast...... Posted Fri Jul 14 17:11:19 BST 2000 by Sir James Saville O.B.E.

http://www.bubblegun.com/news/index.html

scroll down to 'Name That Celeb'

Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By kinder surprise on Fri Jul 14 17:58:37 BST 2000:

Od dear, shouldn't this info we treated more carefully? SOTCAA will end up in tabloid papers and even a libellous case. Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By Slightly_outrageous on Fri Jul 14 18:47:47 BST 2000:

so who was it?

what's the relavence..somebody fill me in...

Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By kinder surprise on Fri Jul 14 19:10:08 BST 2000:

I would, but as you can see above I can't type. Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By Slightly_outrageous on Fri Jul 14 19:19:15 BST 2000:

don't worry babe..it's readable..do go on.... Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By Sir James Saville O.B.E. on Fri Jul 14 19:36:06 BST 2000:

why not SCROLL UP and READ THE THREADS. Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By Slightly_outrageous on Fri Jul 14 20:07:39 BST 2000:

because..since you're all such wonderful people i'm sure you won't mind a very quick synopsis...

*looks pleadingly at the forum* Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By PJ on Fri Jul 14 20:17:38 BST 2000:

The contempt, loathing thread has the long story - the Jimmy Saville OBE has a shorter version - you really need to read the have i got news for you transcript to get the most out of this horrible story.

It was Jimmy Saville. Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By Slightly_outrageous on Fri Jul 14 20:22:46 BST 2000:

ok...where can I get said transcript...? Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By Gee on Fri Jul 14 20:25:03 BST 2000:

Where is this transcript? Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By Slightly_outrageous on Fri Jul 14 20:26:13 BST 2000:

that's what I said...!! Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By Anonymous on Fri Jul 14 20:34:18 BST 2000:

http://www.geocities.com/parody_uk/ Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By PJ on Fri Jul 14 20:34:34 BST 2000:

The last posting on Contempt, loathing, hatred thread should take you there

I'm being too kind here

fuck off and find it yourselves, you lazy bastards.



Yes, that's better. Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By PJ on Fri Jul 14 20:35:44 BST 2000:

That anonymous one slipped in when i wasn't looking. THat's the link to follow. Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By Slightly_outrageous on Fri Jul 14 20:37:36 BST 2000:

fankoo..niceness is always rewarded dontcha know... Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By Gee on Fri Jul 14 23:58:24 BST 2000:

I've read the transcript but I wouldn't say it was evidence that Sir Jim had had sex with young teenage girls. There's talk of a payment but I don't know any of the details (which was probably the reason for the payment, if there was one made.) It's a pity it wasn't screened but I should image if it had been there would have been lots of lawyers thrown around. It does sound like the Jackson thing where Jackson bought off the parents and put the skeleton in the cupboard: the same cupboard Jackson keeps his face, nose, teeth and jaw. Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By kinder surprise on Sat Jul 15 06:51:00 BST 2000:

Gee, I find you incredible. Subject: Re: News travels fast......
Posted By Slightly_outrageous on Sat Jul 15 17:01:27 BST 2000:

is that an insult or a compliment..?




Direct action Posted Wed Jul 19 07:22:48 BST 2000 by Jon

Could disclosing the JS transcript be the start of some of the 'direct action' The Corpses have been promising since the beginning of this site?

Subject: Re: Direct action
Posted By Anonymous on Wed Jul 19 10:25:27 BST 2000:

What is JS? Subject: Re: Direct action
Posted By Anonymous on Wed Jul 19 12:27:58 BST 2000:

oh bloody hell, keep up.

JIMMY FUCKING SAVILE Subject: Re: Direct action
Posted By TVOD on Wed Jul 19 12:46:35 BST 2000:

SIR jimmy savile, if you don't mind. And don't forget the OBE and Kwhateveritis Subject: Re: Direct action
Posted By Sue Denime on Wed Jul 19 14:20:54 BST 2000:

>SIR jimmy savile, if you don't mind. And don't forget the OBE and Kwhateveritis

Kiddieporn?


Sorry, sorry...
Subject: Re: Direct action
Posted By The Other Corpses Editor on Wed Jul 19 20:45:19 BST 2000:

>Could disclosing the JS transcript be the start of some of the 'direct action' The Corpses have been promising since the beginning of this site?

No this isn't the 'direct action'...
Subject: Re: Direct action
Posted By Jon on Thu Jul 20 07:17:06 BST 2000:

I thought Bent Halo was the other Corpses editor.

So who the hell is he, then? Subject: Re: Direct action
Posted By Bent Halo on Sat Jul 22 17:13:20 BST 2000:

Someone with more internet access than either of them.

I'm not blue enough to be a corpse.




HIGNFY Transcript Posted Wed Jul 19 20:42:54 BST 2000 by Rob S

Ok, it's looks like have to try and set a few things straight with regard to the HIGNFY transcript... the reason for our silence up til now is because of the unclear legal situation. Those who want to believe our silence is due us 'not being bothered' about an unfinished/unedited article being taken from our server and republished without our knowledge (and thus putting us in a very tricky situation) are sadly mistaken.

The transcript was never intended to be published on this website, without an explanatory article. After working so hard on the site for many months we wouldn't of been so reckless. The transcript is quite obviously a hoax, as several forum users spotted. The original target of the hoax was a specific journalist rather than Internet users in general...

A commented out reference to the file was indeed left on the 'Hidden Archive' menu page, but this was invisible to regular websurfers. As Dr H has already pointed out, that page uses a Javascript trick to try and prevent users from viewing the source code of the page (which works in both Netscape and IE). This wasn't to protect the commented out transcript info, but instead to try and hide the location of the pages which link to the unreleased Monty Python album. Basically, we wanted to try and discourage people downloading the whole album and then posting it elsewhere on the net - it's not foolproof by any means, but hopefully it discourages the casual leecher. You'll notice the 'Comment' menu has exactly the same protection to hide the 'Knowing Knowing Me, Knowing You' files...

It's a fairly safe bet that the person who discovered the transcript wasn't looking for hidden parts of the site, but trying to download the Python album - but this is all getting off the point...

Now the file has been discovered and someone decides to post a link to it in the forum... after receiving an email asking about the legal situation of that forum thread, I discovered the link and swiftly removed the file. I mistakenly thought the file had already been deleted as part of one of our updates...

After a few conspiracy theories on why I'd deleted the file (and a few dozen email requests), the transcript was posted on Geocities, from where somebody else decided to tip off several other websites of it presence. This effectively removed all control we had over the file. I felt emailing Geocities would of had little effect as someone would of undoubtedly posted it elsewhere and we'd already had the file sent to us by a few mailing lists... this made much more difficult for us to say anything, particularly as it still had the site's copyright upon it.

The Corpses have written a detailed examinaton of the hoax which will be published on the site in a few days time, but this is the full story on how it became public - not quite as exciting as you would imagination, but it is the facts...

Thanks

Rob

p.s. The other threads in this forum relating to the transcript have been removed to prevent further confusion.

Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Gee on Wed Jul 19 22:03:22 BST 2000:

Thanks Rob. I hope there's no come back. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Peter Ohanraohanrahan on Wed Jul 19 22:21:00 BST 2000:

Also kudos to the authors as it was excellent. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Gee on Wed Jul 19 23:12:51 BST 2000:

I agree it did seem realistc. I was completely take in. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Jon on Thu Jul 20 07:15:50 BST 2000:

Well, I spotted it was a hoax from the start. But I was playing a long game. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By kinder surprise on Thu Jul 20 08:02:28 BST 2000:

Jon what is it like having a higher understanding of everything? Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Jon on Thu Jul 20 08:11:56 BST 2000:

I knew you'd write that. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Jo on Thu Jul 20 08:57:20 BST 2000:

Groovy :) I received it from somewhere completely away from here yesterday and was definitely taken in by Jimmy Saville, but not so by Paul Merton :o) <note to self - check forum more often> ;) Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Gullible on Thu Jul 20 09:38:26 BST 2000:

Formerly known as MM. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Richard on Thu Jul 20 11:30:50 BST 2000:

>Well, I spotted it was a hoax from the start. But I was playing a long game.

I would still think it was a hoax withou the apparently overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The manerisms such as Hislop waving to the lawyer are very realistic. I wonder.... Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Mogwai on Thu Jul 20 12:05:14 BST 2000:

The fact that the transcript is a hoax raises some interesting questions of its own. Why create such a plausible parody on such a delicate, and libellous, subject? Why level such accusations at Saville (or claim that they have been levelled) if they are entirely substanceless - who gains from this? Or is the author claiming that the allegations are in fact entirely true, and that these out-takes are what SHOULD have happened?

Whatever the reason, it's very plausiby written - I disagree that Saville is convincing while Merton isn't. Hope no-one gets into deep shit over this.

Still, at least next time you post something libellous you'll know not to proudly sign it and slap a copyright notice on it, won't you?... %)
Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Rob S on Thu Jul 20 13:07:50 BST 2000:

We didn't intend for it to be public... the article covers the reasons for the transcripts existence. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Jon on Thu Jul 20 13:52:43 BST 2000:

What do you reckon about the whole transcript affair being a ruse to raise the profile of SOTCAA? Wouldn't surprise me. I can't believe they'd have the thing in there, waiting for the corresponding article to get written. And Rob S usually has his eye on the ball, why let the hints go by?
Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By mk on Thu Jul 20 14:38:49 BST 2000:

you always talk about people in the third person when they are present?
(if thats what its called - I'm crap at grammer)

Maybe the long silences were because they were thinking before they acted, unlike us lot who sent the thing here, there and everywhere.

Would viciously slandering celebs in the worst possible way ( morally & legally) be a good way to raise the sites profile? Maybe they should set some nail-bombs off with sotcaa engraved on each nail?
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Posted By Jon on Thu Jul 20 14:53:44 BST 2000:

"you always talk about people in the third person when they are present?
(if thats what its called - I'm crap at grammer)"

Sorry, that posting was a passage from a mail I sent to someone else and I just copied and pasted it because I couldn't be bothered typing it all again in the forum.

I didn't mail the transcript to anyone. Or copy it.

As far as the publicity issue goes, I'm told yesterday's Evening Standard covered the story, so it really has raised SOTCAA's profile. Setting off bombs wouldn't have achieved this, because then the site would have been closed down and everyone arrested. Which is pretty obvious if you think about it. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By petec on Thu Jul 20 15:23:21 BST 2000:

Yes but the content of the transcript could of got the site shut so I doubt they left it for PR. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Jon on Thu Jul 20 16:27:47 BST 2000:

A fellow SOTCAA reader has mailed me this copy of the feature in yesterday's Evening Standard:


"From "In The Air", "Media" section, p55, London Evening Standard, 19 July
2000:

'A sensational transcript of "out-takes" from a classic Have I Got News For
You show has just been posted on the net, generating much excitement among
the programme's fans. Supposedly, the script contains unscreened extracts from the episdoe last year in which Sir Jimmy Savile made a guest appearance - and almost a guest walk-out. It has the ring of authenticity. Scatalogical, defamatory and hilarious, it is devoted largely to a blisteringly rude dialogue between Paul Merton and Savile on the subject of under-age sex. Sad to report, however, that the transcript is a clever fake. "It's bogus", declares regular panellist Ian Hislop. "I read it in
disbelief. They've copied out the stuff that did go in, and put a whole load of made-up stuff in the middle. It's quite cunningly done, I must say. I'm fascinated by who could have written it." Any hunt for the hoaxer should look for an enemy of both Sir James and Merton, neither of whom come
out well. That should narrow it down to a mere few million.'"

Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Anonymous on Thu Jul 20 17:01:48 BST 2000:

Re: was it done for publicity?

Hmmm well there's not a great deal of publicity for the site in that article is ther? Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By dr_hackenbush on Thu Jul 20 19:15:06 BST 2000:

OK, some disordered thoughts on the whole business:
1. Excellently written parody, but I did doubt its authenticity, as users of this forum will (hopefully) remember. Do I win a redname account for spotting the JavaScript thing? (dr_hackenbush@hushmail.com, Rob)

2. The reference to "SC-700" sunvisors - some sort of obscure editing in-joke about the digital timer of the same name? Or not.

2a. Apart from the names mentioned (Yelland, Hall, Davey) which as far as I can remember are not anachronistic, what else gives away that this is a hoax? The programme no. or producer's name?

3. Who was the target of the hoax? Hmmm ... Danny Wallace is too bland to print something like that. Bubblegun are too clever to name names. NTK saw through it somehow. My guess is someone like the Sun/Mirror's Bizarre column. But even they would class it under "wacky internet rumours".

4. This thing is going to be circulating on e-mail until we are all dead and in the ground. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Rob S on Thu Jul 20 22:23:34 BST 2000:

>1. Excellently written parody, but I did doubt its authenticity, as users of this forum will (hopefully) remember. Do I win a redname account for spotting the JavaScript thing? (dr_hackenbush@hushmail.com, Rob)

You need to email me what name / passwd you want.... as for the transcript, the thing that made me realise was that (a) such a thing could not be witnessed by so many people (ie the audience) and not come out in the media until now and (b) such a thing would not be transcribed. If I wasn't sure though, I don't think I would come out and say either way ... not without being really sure.

Can't find that Evening Standard article on their website btw. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Jon on Fri Jul 21 06:48:37 BST 2000:

"Can't find that Evening Standard article on their website btw."

Apparently it was from the Wednesday edition, but I didn't see the original, it was mailed to me.

Perhaps it's a hoax?
Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Richard on Fri Jul 21 09:19:53 BST 2000:

>The thing that made me realise was that (a) such a thing could not be witnessed by so many people (ie the audience) and not come out in the media until now and (b) such a thing would not be transcribed.

I did think of (a) and I did wonder how it had been transcribed, but to be honest, I thought it was real, but I was wishing it wasn't. I feel a lot better I know that it is false. Though the actual rumours contained within may have some truth to them.
Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By PJ on Fri Jul 21 11:07:28 BST 2000:

Any ideas where it came from - or will that be in the article? Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Daveyboy on Fri Jul 21 12:48:14 BST 2000:

I don't know if it's already been pointed out, but there's mention of it in today's Grauniad - the TV Gossip bit. Here's the online version

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv_and_radio/story/0,3604,345583,00.html

Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Bent Halo on Fri Jul 21 13:00:15 BST 2000:

Guardian today, G2 page 13.

Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Blake Connolly on Sat Jul 22 13:43:07 BST 2000:

Hmm.. ok just to let you know more than anything else, but someone's told me that a fairly well known writer has told them off the record that "a pissed off Jimmy Mulville at Hat-Trick remembers it happening this way" Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Al on Sat Jul 22 18:24:31 BST 2000:

Hang on... are you saying it's genuine after all? Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Anonymous on Sat Jul 22 23:40:00 BST 2000:

> "a pissed off Jimmy Mulville at Hat-Trick remembers it happening this way"

Should that be "a pissed Jimmy Mulville at Hat Trick...?"
Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By A Lawyer on Sun Jul 23 00:19:08 BST 2000:

>Should that be "a pissed Jimmy Mulville at Hat Trick...?"


NO.
Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Ewar Woowar on Mon Jul 24 18:55:54 BST 2000:

You're not a lawyer. A lawyer could never be that succinct. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By kinder surprise on Tue Jul 25 06:21:48 BST 2000:

Ewar what a cute thing to say. Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By Anonymous on Tue Aug 1 21:04:36 BST 2000:

indeed
Subject: Re: HIGNFY Transcript
Posted By suomynonA on Wed Aug 16 00:06:10 BST 2000:

So, any news on when we can expect... any news?