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The Connection Between Presidential Astrology and Acts of War During His Tenure in Office
FDR and Bush 43
And Trump?

Is it possible for a country to know beforehand a period of time during which it is more likely, than not, to be attacked by a foreign government or foreign group?

Research for this paper ended up establishing not only that war shows up as current, highly afflicted astrology in the president's chart, but that devastating hurricanes also have a presidential signature. They occur in different charts: war shows in his 12th chart, while hurricanes show in his 9th chart. The period of time--summer of 2017--examined for potential war in Trump's astrology in his 9th chart turned out to represent hurricanes Irma and Harvey, not war.

Wars and hurricanes both involve destruction of the land and individual deaths as well as displacement of populations. A case can be made for hurricanes being 9th chart or 9th house phenomena. They certainly are not 3rd house events because the 3rd house covers local conditions and events. Hurricanes appear 9th house matters in exactly that sense that their inception is not local, but foreign--Harvey and Irma apparently started off the west coast of Africa.

It is not surprising that war turned out to be a 12th chart phenomenon. After all, the 12th house (and chart) is also called the house of "hidden matters." Both Pearl Harbor and the 9/11/2001 attack on the World Trade Center were surprises to all of us.

Workups of presidential astrology for hurricanes Katrina (2005, Bush) which so devastated our gulf coast states, and Sandy (2012, Obama), which hit the northeast coast so hard have been added. As of this date, September, 2018, I have also added Trump's astrology for hurricane Florence (hitting the Carolinas).

In order to demonstrate these occurrences of war and hurricanes in presidential astrology, I have first to introduce the concept of an astrological significator.

Astrological Significators for Events
If an event is represented by the same distinct astrology each time it occurs, then that astrological "pattern" is called a significator for that event (or condition). Each time the event occurs, that significator will be prominent. We cannot, however, say the event must occur. There may be other astrological or life conditions which preclude it. Or an event, or even a condition, may occur which also satisfactorily represents that astrology. We do not yet know what those alternatives could be for the event of an act of war.

Here are links to papers which shows significators for other types of conditions. : Heart Paper, Schizophrenia (Nash) Paper, Schizophrenia (general) Paper, Diabetes Paper.

It has been established, for instance in the second "Alzheimer's paper," that certain diseases which have a distinct medical diagnosis share similar astrology. Right now we have no capacity to discriminate between them. That is, we lack the knowledge to do differential diagnosis. Here is the link to that paper: Paper on Various Brain Disorders.

It often takes time to fully develop a significator. It took me several years to find the full significator for homosexuality. It took longer than that to discover the one for winning a presidential election. I was wrong for both 2012 and 2016. Here is the link to the paper in which I finally got it right: Second Paper on 2016 Election.

For "president-linked" war we have a good start for its significator, but it is derived from only two presidents.

The two presidents in office during acts of war were Franklin Delano Roosevelt at the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor, and George W. Bush at the time of the attacks occurring in the United States on September 11, 2001. [Incredibly, we also have birth data for Abraham Lincoln. When I get the time, I will show that his chart contains similarities to those of FDR and Bush, suggesting there is no difference astrologically between war precipitated by a foreign country and a civil war (in which one country divides into two antagonists.)]

So, this paper establishes the typical astrology that occurred in the charts of two U.S. Presidents in office during acts of war against the United States. Franklin Roosevelt’s (FDR) astrology FDR's was very strong, and that war lasted almost four years, so it was used as the potential general significator for war.

President Trump’s astrology for summer 2017 is examined to see if it essentially matches these other two. I wanted to look at his astrology for that period because there was a station of the planet saturn on his moon (at 27 Scorpio 13) conjunct SN (at 26 Scorpio 29)—a set that also represents his attitude that if struck, he should strike back at least twice as hard.

Transiting saturn is at 27 Scorpio 13 on July 19, 2017 moving retrograde. It turns stationary direct at 26 Scorpio 12 on August 24, 2017. Moving forward again, it moves back to 27 Scorpio 13 D on September 29. So it is within one degree of its station for a total of two months, 10 days.

When saturn transits a planet (especially a light or Angle, and Trump's moon and South Node are both lights), it usually depresses, constrains, or withers whatever it touches during that time. It causes difficult pauses, breakdowns, and stress.

The Inclusion of People Other Than Presidents
In the second (post-) election paper for 2016 (link above) it was shown that surrogates and close family members for the two major candidates—Trump and Clinton--also had astrology for winning or losing consistent with the candidate they endorsed. So, not only did Clinton lose the election, but her husband, Chelsea, and all her surrogates “lost the election.” Vice versa for Trump and his surrogates and family. It is an example, perhaps, of astrological resonance.

Accordingly, in this paper, in addition to Trump's astrology for war, we examine the astrology of family members and surrogates showing their consistent astrology that suggests sympathy for what happens to Trump.

Here individuals showing such resonant astrology are called affected witnesses. For instance, Roosevelt's daughter Anna was an affected witness when Pearl Harbor was bombed. And Jenna Bush, one of George W. Bush's twin daughters, was also for the attack on the World Trade Center in 2001.

Peers expected to react meaningfully to a war stimulus are labeled major actors. For instance, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld could be expected to be a major actor in the response to the attack on September 11, 2001.

Other major actors and affected witnesses suggest themselves once you see who they are. Unfortunately, they are limited to individuals for whom we have birth data.

Interpretation for all results is presented in the Discussion at the end of this paper.

Before presenting the significators for war and hurricanes, something should be said about this form of astrology, which is not traditional. Since the similarity of astrological significators can stand on their own, it is not absolutely necessary to read this section.


Astrological Method
This method is not traditional. It uses birth and conception planets and their harmonics and houses, all of which share the same axis:

This astrology uses the sidereal positions of the planets based on the Fagan-Bradley’s SVP. Here is the link to my paper which discusses the practical differences between sidereal (Eastern) and tropical (Western) zodiacs: Paper on Tropical vs. Sidereal Astrology/
Harmonics are taken from the sidereal position of the planets. The Egyptian harmonic, discussed in the paper “About This Method” (link below), is used.
”Lights” include suns, moons, and moons nodes. When mercury rules one or two Angles, it also acts like a light and has the same orb as the other lights. The MC or Asc also acts like a light, but one with only a 2° orb, because when a set is on an Angle it does not need a light to be active.
This method uses only conjunctions, applying and separating squares, and oppositions. Planets so related to each other are referred to as in the same “set.” In traditional astrology that is referred to as an aspect, but in traditional astrology many more aspects are used, e.g., that of 45°. 60°, 135°, and so on. A set, then, is two or more planets (or an Angle) connected to each other through conjunction, square, and opposition within the defined orbs. Sets without Angles are more active when they contain a light, and less active without one. Learning to look in terms of “crosses” can be helpful in rapidly finding planets that are in the same set.
Orbs for static planets (before progressions) with lights is 5°; without lights, about 2.5°, and these are wide.. Orb for MC/planet or Asc/planet is 2° when a return Angle is in the set, but only 1° for birth/conception Angles or progressed Angle/planet. These are discussed more in the paper on empirically-derived chart rules, link just below.

The “chartrules paper” also discusses which traditional aspects (45°, 60°, 36°) not accepted in this astrology are nonetheless picked up by harmonic development to turn them into acceptable aspects (sets) and which charts develop them.

Because this method uses both birth and conception charts (latter's derivation discussed in Method paper) and they share the same axis (that is, work together), birth houses usually overlap different houses of the conception chart. These are called “house overlaps.” FDR's 9th/12th overlap is an example. They can be significant. The convention used when writing about house overlaps is to put the birth house first, then the conception house. So, for instance, a “5th/1st” overlap refers to an overlap of birth 5th house with conception 1st house in that order.
Birth planets (including their harmonics) rule only birth houses. Conception planets (including their harmonics) rule only conception houses.
For a more thorough explanation of this astrological approach, refer to the following papers:

About This Method
Empirically-Derived Rules for Reading These Charts

Because returns prior to the event in question play such a vital part in assessing the outcome, more should be said about them.

This method uses a return that occurs every time the sun in the sky reaches exactly 40° 00’ 00” from the individual’s birth sun, then 40° 00’ 00” from that sun, then 40° 00’ 00” more from that sun. This results in nine 7th chart harmonic solar returns per year per individual throughout his lifetime. The harmonic suns of the 7th chart establish the date and time of their occurrence, but the sidereal part of each return is used for each of the harmonic charts. Their Angles (Midheaven and Ascendant) and their planets relative to the individual’s birth, conception and progressed planets have proven invaluable. All work together to demonstrate the astrology of an event.
For events, we usually use only the return which occurs immediately prior to the event. In this paer we are looking at a period of time, so two returns are calculated. If an event occurs, we will have a date that will enable the elimination of one of them.

So, what actually is the astrology of war? As mentioned above, to establish that we have only the astrology of the two presidents who were in office when attacks “on United States soil” occurred. While two examples do not constitute a big enough number, their high degree of similarity suggests they are certainly within range of being correct.

The Significant Event
The United States fought WW II on two fronts—Europe and Asia. The surprise bombing of our naval base on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 was the precipitating incident. If a war significagtors exists, such a massive, devastating event should reveal it.

The Significator, The Charts Involved
Roosevelt and Bush had their significators in the 12th chart of hidden matters. Trump's tentative “war chart” (which turned out not that) was his 9th chart of foreign countries. The 9th and 12th houses are prominent in the path of the significator, so it is reasonable that it could occur equally validly in either of those charts.

For major actors and affected witnesses I used the 7th chart of significant others. Their connection is to the president. It is his name that will be associated historically with the war.

Can Trump’s Summer 2017 Astrology Represent Impeachment?
We have two such examples—the approaching impeachment of Richard Nixon when he resigned, and the House impeachment of Bill Clinton. Both showed a very strong Angle/saturn at the time. Trump’s astrology does not, so it is unlikely about impeachment.

We do not have any astrological examples for removal of a president from office via application of the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, but I would think that such an event would also require a strong, longer-lasting Angle/saturn. Trump does not have that in summer 2017.

The Significator, The Planets Involved
The set that appears most important in FDR’s war astrology is forefront mars and uranus. Forefront usually mean having influence to an Angle by either being on one, or by being in a set in which on of the planets rules one.

Mars is the planet that sponsors aggression and uranus, the planet most associated with sudden, surprising occurrences. So, their occurrence in significator representing precipitation of a war makes sense.

The sun is also often on an Angle through progression, or it is configured with mars and/or uranus at the time. On an Angle is suggests that the president has essentially (sun) been called to service in an important matter. As we shall see below, the same sun/mars/uranus/9th/12th (or major parts of it) is the set that occurs in the charts of family members and important allies. In their charts the sun stands for an important male (sun can represent the father or husband in traditional astrology) being influenced by sudden (uranus) aggression (mars.)

The Significator, The Path
The mars/uranus in the charts of our two war presidents described a path of influence to an Angle and 9th and 12th houses.

The 9th house part of the path, of course, is connected to the war act being sponsored by a foreign (not USA) country. Perhaps it also represents “alien” in the sense of adversary. The 12th part of the path, like uranus, expresses the hidden, unforeseen part of the experience.

Although there are supporting sets, then, the significator for war is Angle/mars/uranus/9th/12th. For presidents it occurs in the 12th chart. For affected witnesses and major actors, it occurs in their 7th charts.

It turns out that the same path is described in the 9th chart in presidential charts for hurricanes.

I suspect the 8th house, if not part of the significator path, also plays a meaningful role


Here is a reminder of conventions used in this astrological method:

In the partial charts shown below, birth planets and their harmonics are inside the circle. Conception planets and their harmonics are outside the circle. Conception sidereal planets are red; conception harmonic ones, black. Birth sidereal planets are blue; birth harmonic ones, green. Occasionally, because of space limitations, I have had to violate this inside/outside arrangement, but the color coding remains constant.
Abbreviations used below are b = birth, c = conception, and t = transiting. MC = Midheaven. Asc = Ascendant. B-Loc MC, for instance, stands for the birth Midheaven for a given locality. And pB-Loc MC, for instance, represents a progressed birth Midheaven for a given date and place.

Even though the harmonic used for each chart is always two more than the chart’s number, in these papers—for ease of reading—I write the harmonic number the same as the chart number. For example, the 5th chart uses the 7th harmonic, but to avoid worse confusion I have established the convention of writing harmonic planets for the 5th chart as, e.g., c5 mars, which reads, “the harmonic for the 5th chart for conception mars.” Something like “pc10 venus represents the harmonic of progressed conception venus for the 10th chart, while “t7venus stands for the harmonic of transiting venus for the 7th chart.

Worth repeating: the acceptable orb for progression of a planet to an Angle and vice versa is no more than 1°.(for unrectified charts) If it is with a light, orb is extended by about one-half degree. Return Angles, however, have an allowable orb of 2°, with 2° being the weakest acceptable. Therefore if a return Angle is in a set comprised of non-return planets, the whole set has an acceptable orb of 2° (but no more).

We start with Roosevelt. I have not, as is my wont, included small biographical sketches for individuals. It is assumed they are known to all, and here we are only interested in whether or not at a given time each had war (or hurricane) significators.


President Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Partial Harmonic Chart for His 12th House (a.k.a. 12th chart)

Placidus: c11—3Lib—c12--26Lib, c2—19Sag. c3—28Cap b11—3Can, b12—4Leo, b2—25Vir, b3—25Lib

Roosevelt's astrological inclination to attract acts of war can be said to be a bit over-determined. Set (1) is already on an Angle. The mars/uranus part of it is already in 12th/9th houses, and they are lighted by both the Angle and the b12 NN at 16 Scorpio 47. This is an ongoing war significator set, i.e., he was born with it and it is permanent in his 12th chart.

Set (1) was further lighted, therefore made stronger, on December 7 by progressed b moon at 16 Leo 46.

He almost has another full set—Set (2). The mars/uranus in it is already in the 12th/9th houses, and it looks like that c NN—the light—at 26 Scorpio 11 is heading right for it. So it was. On December 7, 1941 pc NN was at 25 Scorpio 05. Transiting NN was at 24 Leo 06. The set only lacks an Angle influence to become a full significator. It certainly adds to the indicator for unforeseen aggression.

On December 7, Roosevelt has another Angle/mars/9th because pc mars, ruler of C Asc, at 26 Taurus 15, is conjunct c SN at 26 Taurus 11 in b 9th house. Return (occurring on 11/14/41, Washington, D.C.) NN was at 26 Leo 54.

Some others:

Set (2a)pb sun17 Pisces 50ruler of b 12th house
return mars17 Pisces 11


Set (2b)c12 sun22 Gemini 32co-ruler (28 of 30°) of c 9th house
pb12 mars21 Pisces 57 ruler of b 9th house
t12 uranus21 Pisces 38transit for 7:48 AM AHST, moving direct

Some of his other significant sets were:

Bush 43

George W. Bush
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President George W. Bush
Partial Harmonic Chart for His 12th House (a.k.a. 12th chart)

Placidus: c11—9Tau—c12--14Gem, c2—5Leo. c3—0Vir b11—7Tau, b12—13Gem, b2—4Leo, b3—29Leo

Although Bush's 12th chart ends up containing his significator for the surprise attack, right away it is apparent it is not nearly as strong a significator as was FDR's. But then, the bombing of Pearl Harbor as the beginning of America's entry into WWII is also a far stronger occurrence than the necessarily diffuse “war” of the people responsible for 9-11.

Set (3)--a sun/mars/9th/12th/12th—shows a lighted (by the sun) mars in Gemini in both 12th houses. Since the neptune in the set co-rules (31 of 32°) b 9th house, the set has both 9th and 12th influence. It lacks Angular influence.

Set (4)--a uranus/12th/12th set—shows uranus in Pisces (which already has a 12th influence since Pisces is natural ruler of the 12th house) in both 12th houses. It lack 9th influence, a light, and Angular influence. On September 11 it became lighted by pb moon at 28 Virgo 47.

But the Angular mars and Angular uranus for the event significator are not developed through Sets (3) and (4) above. Instead they show up thus:

Set (4a)pB MC23 Taurus 06
c uranus23 Taurus 29
pb NN23 Taurus 07coming from 26 Taurus 36 at birth
c moon24 Taurus 10

The two lights in the above set pull the MC/uranus together. And

Set (4b)return mars25 Scorpio 32(8/17/01, Wash DC)
pbB-Loc Asc25 Leo 25(for Washington, DC)
b uranus25 Taurus 10
pb12 neptune25 Taurus 23c0-ruler (30 of 31°) of b 9th house

Some of the other pertinent sets were:

  • pb mars, ruler of B MC, at 19 Virgo 28 is in the same set with b sun at 19 Gemini 47

  • pc12 moon, ruler of C Asc, at 9 Sagittarius 18 is in the same set with pc12 uranus at 9 Pisces 25, and perhaps (larger orb), pb12 saturn at 9 Virgo 45.

  • return MC at 9 Aries 57 is in the same set with pb saturn at 9 Cancer 28 and pc mars, ruler of C MC, at 8 Cancer 12. This mars and saturn, normally too far apart to be in the same set, are here brought into contact by the return MC and c12 moon, ruler of C Asc, at 8 Aries 23.

Bush, like Roosevelt, also does not have a progressed Angle/saturn. One is beginning to form through pb12 saturn at 12 Capricorn 32 which is starting to oppose B Asc at 13 Cancer 08. It represents his more serious Commander-in-Chief responsibilities following 9-11.

A major actor with Bush would have been his Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. Both his 7th and 9th charts show strong significators. Here we look at only his 7th chart, with a few added comments about his 9th after that.

Donald Rumsfeld
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Donald Rumsfeld
Partial Harmonic Chart for His 7th Chart (a.k.a. The 7th chart)

Placidus: c11—9Vir. c12—5Lib. c2—26Sco. c3—1Cap b11—19Lib, b12—10Sco, b2—6Cap, b3—1Aqu

Set (9) is a simple Angle/uranus, also with jupiter.

Set (10) is a doozy, however, It contains B MC/sun/mars/saturn/2 uranus, with b sun ruling b 9th house. On September 11, 2001, it was further activated by pb7 moon at 22 Gemini 57 and pC Asc at 23 Sagittarius 13—a double Angle/mars/uranus/9th set; It lacks 12th influence,

Set (10a)pb7 uranus17 Cancer 56R
b mercury18 Cancer 03ruler of B NC. Co-ruler of b 9th, AND a light
b7 saturn18 Cancer 14
b7 mars17 Libra 2018 Cancer 14ruler of b 12th house; in c 12th house

His other germane sets included:

  • a progressed Angle/sun set comprised of pB Asc at 22 Aquarius 07 conjunct pb NN at 23 Aquarius 19, with pc mercury at 22 Scorpio 15 and pc sun, ruler of C MC, at 23 Scorpio 46, While the progressed Asc to the sun is past an acceptable orb, the presence f the node in the set pulls this all into one set.

  • pc7 NN at 15 Capricorn 24 in the same set with c mars, in c 12th house, at 15 Libra 55.

  • pb7 NN at 29 Leo 51 is in the same set with B Asc at 29 Scorpio 13 and pB MC at 29 Scorpio 04. Harmonic nodes falling on Angles specifically energize the chart because the harmonic node is unique to that chart. It acts as a light on an Angle, and those always add to the energy of whatever the rest of the chart suggests—here, a possible mars/uranus/9 event.

  • return moon at 6 Virgo 54 is in the same set with pb7 mars at 5 Sagittarius 42 and pc mars at 6 Sagittarius 34. Venus opposition jupiter is also in the set.

  • return7 moon at 2 Cancer 06 is conjunct return7 mars at 3 Cancer 02 and pb mars, ruler of b 12th house and B Asc, at 3 Cancer 58.

  • return uranus at 27 Capricorn 52 is conjunct pb7 mercury, ruler of B MC and a light, as well as co-ruler of b 9th house, at 27 Capricorn 51. This is an Angle/uranus/9th set.

Rumsfeld's 7th chart is as strong as Trump's 9th chart . I did not look at other Rumsfeld charts, but Trump has other charts that are potent for these significators—his 7th and 8th.

Some of his powerful 9th chart sets included:

  • c7 uranus, at 29 Aquarius 12 in the same set with B Asc at 29 Scorpio 13 and pB MC at 29 Scorpio 04. Return9 saturn at 29 Scorpio 25 is also there.

  • in this chart he has a mars/uranus set comprised of b9 uranus at 23 Taurus 52 with b9 mars, ruler of B Asc and b 12th house, at 24 Scorpio 32. That was joined by those already mentioned planets—pb NN at 23 Aquarius 19, pb sun, ruler of b 9th house, at 23 Scorpio 46, and an additional pb9 pluto at 23 Aquarius 04. This yields an Angle/sun/mars/uranus/9th/12th.

  • p C Asc at 23 Sagittarius 13 is still, as in the 7th chart, in the same set with b sun, ruler of b 9th house, c saturn, and c uranus at 24 Pisces 00, but it has lost the mars, which existed only in the 8th chart. I picked up another uranus, c9 uranus at 23 Pisces 59.


Rudy Giuliani
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As mayor of New York City on September 11, Giuliani should be viewed as a major actor.

Rudy Giuliani
Partial Harmonic Chart for His 7th House (a.k.a. 7th chart)

Placidus: c11—1Pis, c12—12Ari, c2—15Gem, c3—6Can b11—9Can, b12—9Leo, b2—2Lib, b3—2Sco

Set (A) above shows a sun/venus/mars/saturn, with c saturn ruling C MC and c 9th house, c mars ruling c 12th, and b venus ruling b 9th. It is also a lighted mars in 9th/12th houses. In terms of our significator, it shows Angle/sun/mars/9th/12th.

Set (B) shows a (lighted) sun/2 uranus in 9th/12th houses. B sun rules b 12th house.

Summing the two sets above, the only thing lacking for a full significator at birth is a uranus influence to an Angle.

Set (C) is of interest because it shows an unlighted mars/uranus in one set with c mars ruling c 12th house. If an Angle were to progress through this set, the mars would be separated from the uranus (unless a light happened into the set). A progressing MC, e.g., would hit mars first, and about (1° and 44’ later) one year and nine months later it would pass through the uranus. But if a return Angle picks up the set, then it will stay together. And that is exactly what happened to Giuliani’s astrology on September 11, 2001. Here is that set on that date:

Set (Ca)c7 mars10 Gemini 04 ruler of c 12th house
return NN10 Gemini 13(return on 8/20/01, NYC)
pb saturn10 Gemini 28
pb7 uranus9 Virgo 59R
c7 uranus11 Virgo 48
return MC10 Sagittarius 54

Set Ca) above shows an Angle/node/mars/2uranus/12th.

Set (D)B MC5 Gemini 48
B Asc5 Virgo 50
c neptune6 Virgo 36
pb7 mars6 Sagittarius 06ruler of b 8th house
transiting mars6 Sagittarius 409:00 AM EDT
t7 sun6 Pisces 52

Angles act like lights in that a planet is automatically “lighted” (expressed) when on an Angle. The orb for Angles is 2°--for pre-progressed charts, but even less than 1 degree for progressed Angle/planet. Most astrologers want progressed Angle/planet to be fairly close to exact, with mars and uranus being good timers. But with this astrology there are more lights involved in a complete set of progressions, and when they, or enough of them, fall into a set considered too wide, they often make it work as a set. Two Angles in the same set extend acceptable orb, roughly, up to 1 degree for Angle/Angle/planet when no other light is in the set. So, the above becomes 2Angle/sun/mars/(neptune). The second tower was actually hit at 9:03 AM. Our figures for 9:00 AM are close enough.

Sets (A) and (B) above were not further activated at the time.

Giuliani’s other significant sets were:

  • pC Asc at 9 Cancer 41 is in the same set with b mars at 9 Cancer 37.

  • pc7 saturn, ruler of C MC and c 9th house, at 23 Aquarius 33R is in the same set with C Asc at 23 Taurus 54—a bit late, but still functioning?.

  • pb sun, ruler of b 12th house, at 8 Cancer 01 is conjunct b7 neptune at 8 Cancer 05 and with pc7 mars, ruler of c 12th house, at 8 Capricorn 14.

    return7 pluto at 17 Scorpio 47 is conjunct c7 SN at 17 Scorpio 17, emphasizing his past-life tendency to fight.

  • return7 saturn at 21 Libra 07 is in the same set with c NN at 21 Cancer 55 and pc7 NN at 21 Aries 22.

  • t7 saturn at 0 Scorpio 00 is in the same set with pB MC at 0 Leo 30, and pb mercury, ruler of B MC and B Asc and acting like a light, at 0 Leo 13.

  • return7 uranus at 3 Capricorn 42R is in the same set with pb SN at 3 Capricorn 42.

Giuliani has two more progressed mars/uarnus sets, but they are without lights.

He also has a near-golden (it does not influence an Angle) benefic comprised of: pb venus, ruler of b 9th house, at 15 Cancer 41 conjunct pc7 jupiter, ruler of c 8th house, at 15 Cancer 38, with c moon, ruler of c 3rd house, at 15 Aries 37, and t7 NN at 15 Aries 08. I believe it represents a certain joy in cooperation and in the heroism of his first responders.

Abraham Lincoln
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President Abraham Lincoln
Partial Harmonic Chart for His 12th House (a.k.a. The 12th chart)

Placidus: c11—11Libra, c12—4Sco, c2—28Sag, c3—7Aqu b11—7Sag, b12—30Sag, b2—16Pis, b3—20Ari

Set (14) .


Donald J. Trump
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Trump’s astrological afflictions in his 9th chart as a possible indication of war:

We are going to take the date of August 24, 2017, for all progressions.
Donald Trump
Partial Harmonic Chart for His 9th House (a.k.a. the 9th chart)

Placidus: c11—19Sco2—c12--9Sag, c2—19 Aqu. c3—29Pis b11—4Gem, b12—6Can, b2—27Leo, b3—25Vir

Since it was later established that this astrology for Trump represented the hurricanes Irma and Harvey, that is, hurricanes and not war, I have appended (now in September, 2018) Trump’s astrology for hurricane Florence below this to show their similarity in this, his 9th charts.

I have not numbered the set involving C Asc at 3 Capricorn 20. With it are c9 jupiter, ruler of c 12th house, at 2 Aries 42, and b venus, ruler of B MC, at 1 Cancer 46. This is a golden benefic, and it implies that most of Trump's “9th house” (travel, law, religion, etc.) activities are usually fortunate.

Noteworthy is that his c 9th and 12th houses, and his b 9th house within this chart do not contain mars, uranus, or for that matter, saturn. But b 12th house contains an unlighted b mars at 2 Leo 48.

Set (5) shows a node/mars/uranus—so, a lighted mars conjunct uranus. It has no Angular influence. As well, it lacks 9th or 12th house influence. But it picks up the 9th influence around August 24:

Set (5a)c9 mars23 Taurus 15
c uranus23 Taurus 21
pb9 neptune23 Taurus 18ruler of b 9th house
pb NN24 Taurus s 07coming from 26 Taurus 49 at birth
c9 NN23 Leo 49

As can be seen in the set above, Trump's only 9th chart mars/uranus—Set (5)--has picked up a second node and 9th house influence—both of which are significant. B9 neptune was at 10 Taurus 27 at birth, so it has traveled about 13° in his lifetime. The return (of 7/26) moon at 22 Leo 57 can be included for anything occurring before September 6. If his astrology also comes up with another mars/uranus with Angular and 12th influence, he will have a completed and stressed war significator set. (I generally accept that a node has entered a set when it reaches within one degree of the set.)

Set (6)--see drawing above—is interesting and complex. It is interesting because it contains sun/mars/uranus and it influences b 12th house through the two b moons in it, and it influence B Asc through the b sun in it, and it influences b 9th house through b9 mars in Pisces, which co-rules (30 of 35°) b 9th house.

Set (6) is complex because of the number of planets it contains and the wide orb I have concluded it deserves. The spread between b SN in Scorpio to c9 moon in Gemini is 4° 46'. Normally I would not even consider those two in the same set, especially for a progressed event. But there are six lights in Set (6)—b sun, c9 moon, b9 sun, c9 moon, b SN, and b moon. They act to increase acceptable orb. One final progression, dropping the b moon in Scorpio out of the set as unnecessary, makes the set potent:

Set (6a)c9 sun28 Leo 21 ruler of c 8th house
return9 sun28 Leo 21
b9 moon29 Leo 22ruler of b 12th house
c9 saturn28 Aquarius 13
pb9 uranus0 Pisces 32ruler of b 8th house
b9 mars0 Pisces 46co-ruler (29 of 44°) of b 9th house
b sun28 Taurus 56ruler of B Asc
c9 moon1 Gemini 15ruler of B Asc

In Set (6a) above, return9 sun could have been in 8 other positions, so here it counts as a new, temporary light in the set, but only if an attack occurs after September 6 (Washington, D.C.), the date of the return it was taken from. It may not be necessary, there being enough lights in the set tor it to embrace the new mars conjunction uranus in Pisces. B9 uranus was at 23 Capricorn 06 at birth, so it has moved about 38° since his birth. Trump now has a full-fledged Angle/mars/uranus/9th/12th set. In addition, the mars/uranus conjunction is in Pisces, which gives the set another significant 12th influence because Pisces is natural ruler of the 12th house. They are in b 8th house.

Trump's earlier return occurs on July 26 (to September 6). Set (6a) is still valid and this earlier return has an additional highly afflicted set in which that return's sidereal sun plays an important part:

Set (6c)pB MC8 Cancer 28
return9 uranus8 Cancer 45
pb saturn8 Cancer 47
return sun8 Cancer 50
return mars9 Cancer 02

Set (6c) shows a conjunction in Cancer in b 12th house of MC/sun/mars/saturn/uranus. It is the sun in this set which pulls it all into one. Otherwise, the pB MC is still about 4 months short of being a valid Angle.saturn by progression, but here the return picks it up early. With the sets above and those below, this set is a powerful negative.

Set (6d)C Asc3 Capricorn 20
pB Asc3 Libra 29
return (7/26 return) uranus3 Aries 31

The above shows a double Angle/uranus. We could also use the 9/6 return for this set. It has return uranus at 3 Aries 05—good enough for a return set (but not for a progressed only set.)

Noticeable about the above is that Trump lacks a progressed Angle to mars or vice versa, though he has an Angle/mars through rulership. He has them--not through progression--through the return for both Set (6c) (for the 7/26 return) and for the return of 9/6 which has return mars at 5 Leo 37 right on his B Asc at 5 Leo 39. We do not have enough examples to state the the Angle/mars must be an actual progressed Angle to mars or vice versa. I suspect not.

His remaining pertinent sets are:

  • return (7/26) MC at 17 Cancer 04 is conjunct b pluto at 16 Cancer 04 and c pluto at 16 Cancer 52.

  • return (9/6) Asc at 16 Cancer 15 is also conjunct the two plutos above.

  • return9 (7/26) NN at 22 Capricorn 21 is conjunct b9 uranus at 23 Capricorn 06.

  • return9 (7/26) neptune at 27 Aquarius 37R has entered Set (6b) above, adding a tone of mars/saturn/neptune—siege conditions—to it.

  • pb8 saturn at 6 Gemini 35 is in the same set with pc NN at 6 Gemini 31.

  • pc9 NN at 11 Gemini 46 is in the same set with b neptune, ruler of b 9th house, at 11 Virgo 52, and c neptune at 11 Virgo 20. The neptune influence is one somewhat indicating being fooled, or, somewhat, being caught “dreaming.”

  • pb9 pluto at 18 Virgo 18 has come to an opposition of b9 sun at 18 Pisces 21. B9 pluto started out at 26 Leo 43 at birth. Pluto opposition sun suggests some “masses” are against (opposition) his individuality (sun).

Like Bush—I did not do these for FDR—Trump's locality and progressed locality Angles picked up uranus. PC-Loc Asc at 23 Aries 56 picks up his b9 uranus at 23 Capricorn 06. C-Loc MC, at 23 Libra 35 is also in the set.


Donald J. Trump
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Trump’s astrological afflictions in his 9th for Hurricane Florence:

We are going to take the date of September 15, 2018 for the date of Florence making landfall.
Donald Trump
Partial Harmonic Chart for His 9th House (a.k.a. the 9th chart)

Placidus: c11—19Sco2—c12--9Sag, c2—19 Aqu. c3—29Pis b11—4Gem, b12—6Can, b2—27Leo, b3—25Vir

Set (6e)—sun2/moon/saturn shows an Angular saturn influence because b sun at 28 Taurus 56 rules B Asc.

Set (6f) demonstrates a forefront influence of the 9th house within this 9th chart because c mercury, at 0 Leo 59, rules c 9th house.

Set (6g) contains the lighted mars/uranus we so far associate with dramatic destruction like war or hurricanes, but none of the planets in it rules a 9th house. Here is how it has changed on the date of Florence’s landfall:

Set (6g’)c9 mars23 Taurus 15
c uranus23 Taurus 21
pb9 neptuneruler of b 9th house
p uranus23 Taurus 55ruler of b 8th house
pb NN23 Taurus 58(coming from 26 Taurus 49 at birth)
pc mercury23 Scorpio 30ruler of c 9th house

As can be seen in the set above, Trump’s progressions bring his forefront 9th chart mars/uranus into influence to his 9th house within the chart—twice. That makes him, as president, somewhat of a Typhoid Mary with regard to primary astrological conditions for hurricanes. It doesn’t mean they will happen, but until those 9th house influences move out of the set (which will take longer because he has TWO nodes in the set), they are possible.

Set (6h)pB Asc4 Libra 18
return (9/6/18, Washington DC) mars4 Capricorn 18
pc9 uranus4 Capricorn 59
return mercury4 Aries 47
return MC5 Cancer 11
return moon5 Cancer 15

The moon in the above set allows the inclusion of pc uranus in the set. Otherwise, it is too far away from pB Asc to be in a set with it. The moon temporarily (for the duration of the return) increases acceptable orb. This set shows a lighted Angle/mars/uranus.

Set (6i)return Asc1 Libra 03
pc saturn0 Cancer 48

Set (6i) provides an Angle/saturn.

Set (6j)b9 mars0 Pisces 46co-ruler (29 of 31 degrees) of b 9th house
pb9 uranus0 Pisces 528th ruler
c9 moon1 Gemini 15

Set (6j) shows a new, non-Angular, lighted mars/uranus influence to a 9tj house.

Return9 sun, at 28 Leo 27, joins Set (6e) in the drawing above, providing another light and strengthening its Angle/saturn influence.

Trump’s astrology for Hurricane Florence fits the specifications found so far for indicators of hurricanes occurring in presidential astrology.

The Charts of Affected Witnesses
Again, we are not expecting that affected witnesses, unless currently closely attached to the major actors, will have as strong astrology as the major actors. For affected witnesses we are looking for forefront (on an Angle or lighted and influencing an Angle) mars, uranus, and sun. In these instances the sun represents a major male (sun) figure in the life, but it may represent the individual him/herself.

For President Roosevelt, we have his first-born child, daughter Anna.

Anna Roosevelt
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Anna was married to her second husband and living in Seattle on the day Pearl Harbor was attacked. She was 36 years old. Astro-databank has her born in Hyde Park, NY, but Wikipedia states she was born in New York City, which is usually considered excellent in reporting correct birth times. But Anna was born in 1906, so it is possible her time was of a little. Time given was 1:15 PM EST. Her return covering December 7, 1941 occurred on November 25, 1941, Seattle.

Anna Eleanor Roosevelt
Partial Harmonic Chart for Her 7th House chart)

Placidus: c11—9Sag. c12—1Cap. c2—21Pis. c3—24Ari b11—14Gem, b12—15Can, b2—7Vir, b3—6Lib

There are three lights in Set(7)--the two suns and the node—so we can say they enclose the mars saturn in the set, so it contains node/2sun/mars/saturn, with c mars co-ruling (18 of 24°) c 9th house and b7 sun ruling B Asc and co-ruling 13 of 28°) b 12th house, yielding Angle/node/2sun/mars/saturn/9th/12th.. Return MC at 20 Cancer 21 adds another Angle influence.

Set (8) is a simple sun/uranus set, with c uranus ruling C Asc. Return Asc at 10 Libra 27 also put the set on an Angle.

Her astrology for December 7 showed the following significant sets:

Set (8a)pC MC22 Sagittarius 52
return (11/25/41, Seattle) NN22 Pisces 17
b mercury22 Pisces 21
pc7 moon23 Pisces 20
pb7 neptune22 Gemini 14ruler of b 8th house
t mars (7:48 am AHST)21 Pisces 38

The transiting mars in the above is “early” (has not yet really entered the set), but that is where it was when the attack started. 24 hours later it was at 21 Pisces 56, and 48 hours later, at 22 Pisces 15. It is the node and moon, both lights, which hold these planets together in one set which contains Angle/moon/node/mars. Until the mars enters the set, it represents being "spaced out"--Angle/lights/neptune by the event.

She also had:

  • pb moon, ruler of b 12th house, at 14 Sagittarius 01 was conjunct pb uranus at 13 Sagittarius 53.

  • pb7 moon, ruler of b 12th house, was at 6 Sagittarius 05 conjunct pc uranus, ruler of C Asc, at 6 Sagittarius 51. Transiting7 NN is at 6 Pisces 58. This is an Angle/node/uranus/12th.

The sets above show new or re-emphasized Angle/sun, Angle/mars, and Angle/uranus.

Jenna Bush, one of Bush's twin daughters, is his affected witness.

Jenna Bush
picture from Time Magazine

Jenna Bush
Partial Harmonic Chart for Her 7th House (a.k.a. 7th chart)

Placidus: c11—2Can, c12—2Leo, c2—27Vir, c3—28Lib b11—2Sco, b12—25Sco, b2—26Cap, b3—4Pis

Jenna Bush also has prominent “war significators.” Set (11) shows Asc/venus/mars/2jupiter/uranus with c7 venus co-ruling (30 of 32°) c 9th house and b7 mars ruling b 12th house. Of course, the difference in her chart is that her Angle/mars/uranus is also accompanied by a conjunction of venus and jupiter as well as the well-placed jupiter in Pisces. How does that translate for most of her life? I am not sure. Perhaps—only a little bit tongue-in-cheek—she would make an excellent negotiator between two warring parties. But Set (11) does contain Angle/mars/uranus/9th/12th.

On September 11, 2001 she had the following sets:

Set (11a)pB MC26 Libra 42
c7 mars26 Aries 38ruler of c 9th house

The set above shows a new Angle/uranus with 9th house influence.

Set (11b)pb7 mars17 Gemini 22ruler of b 12th house
B Asc17 Sagittarius 39ruler of c 9th house

Set (11b) is a new Angle/mars with 9th house influence.

Her remaining germane sets were:

  • pC MC at 20 Gemini 25 was in the same set with pc7 uranus at 20 Sagittarius 45 (a little early, 4 months to be exact)--an Angle/uranus which might have picked up a light.

  • Her return (9/5/01) for U of Texas at Austin had an MC at 22 Sagittarius 06 in the same set with pc7 mars at 22 Virgo 32.

  • t7 (9 am EDT) at 29 Virgo 59 was in the same set with b NN at 29 Gemini 07 and c pluto at 29 Virgo 48.

Tiffany Trump is one of Trump's affected witness. Her returns were done for West Palm Beach--a total guess.

Tiffany Trump
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Tiffany Trump
Partial Harmonic Chart for Her 7th House (a.k.a. 7th chart)

Placidus: c11—29Cap c12—3Pis, c2—13Tau, c3—8Gem b11—20Lib, b12—19Sco, b2—11Cap, b3—17Aqu

Sets (12) and (13) rather flow into each other, but here I am breaking them into two sets. B MC is in the same set with both harmonic suns at 21 Sagittarius 22 and with c7 mars, ruler of C Asc at 22 Virgo 30, with b7 sun ruling b 9th house—an Angle/2sun/mars/9th set.

Set (13) includes b sun, ruler of b 9th house, at 25 Virgo 42 in the same set with c mars, ruler of C Asc at 25 Gemini 50, c neptune, ruler of c 12th house, and b uranus at 23 Sagittarius 41. So this set shows Asc/sun/mars/uranus/(neptune)/9th/12th. I put c neptune in this set rather than Set (12) because it is progressing forward. On August 24 it is at 24 Sagittarius 28.

On August 24, 2017 her astrology shows the following pertinent sets:

Set (13a)pb7 mercury16 Cancer 43Rruler of B MC, co-ruler of b 9th, and also a light
b7 mars16 Libra 41ruler of b 12th house

The above set shows a new Angle/light/mercury/mars/9th/12th. Her strongest set, an update of Set (12) above, is shown next:

Set (13b)b7 sun21 Sagittarius 22ruler of b 9th house
c7 sun21 Sagittarius 22
pc SN22 Sagittarius 58coming from 29 Sagittarius 58 at conception
c uranus23 Sagittarius 01 41
c neptune23 Sagittarius 42ruler of c 12th house
B MC21 Virgo 18
c7 mars22 Virgo 30ruler of C Asc

In the set above, the progressed node which has entered it is 44' from c neptune, the planet of highest longitude in the set. It is 1° 40' from B MC, the lowest part of the set. And now it contains three lights. So it is a valid progressed set, especially because progressed harmonic nodes entering a set have proven more potent than any other progressed light. They suggest a karmic, or “must happen” condition in the subject area covered by the chart—here 9th and 12th house. Additionally, all the planets in Sagittarius have a 9th emphasis because that sign is natural ruler of the 9th house, and they also fall i, c 9th house.

The station of saturn on August 24 has its 9th harmonic (for the 7th chart) at 25 Gemini 48 in the same set with her b sun, ruler of b 9th house, at 25 Virgo 42, and c mars, ruler of C Asc, at 25 Gemini 40. Pc uranus, at 24 Sagittarius 28 is also in the set. That gives her at that time an Angle/sun/mars/saturn/uranus/9th set. By the time of her next return, however, which occurs on September 2, it has moved to 26 Gemini 20 and is questionably in the set.

I should note that Tiffany (and indeed, Jenna Bush for 9/11) has some major benevolent progressions at the examined time. Assuming they are related to the event, they likely represent a kind of elevation in social prominence that can come with being the close kin of a war president.

Barack Hussein Obama
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Barack Obama
Partial Harmonic Chart for His 7th House (a.k.a. 7th chart)

Placidus: c11—17Sco, c12—12Sag, c2—15Aqu, c3—21Pis b11—30Sco, b12—25Sag, b2—2Pis, b3—6Ari

Sorry about the bad scan. I temporarily have no printer/scanner. Fortunately, there is nothing to show of the signficator in Obama's natal astrology. He does not have any part of a war significator in either his 7th, 9th, or 12th charts.

Here are two significant sets for 9/11/2012:

Set (17a)pB Asc1 Aries 27
pb mars1 Libra 26ruler of B MC, in c 9th

The above constitutes a double Angle/mars, with only the mars in a 9th house.

Set (17b)pC MC13 Sagittarius 47
return uranus 13 Pisces 24(Wash DC 8/5/12)

Above an Angle/uranus.

Set (17c)pc NN15 Leo 15
pb saturn16 Leo 35ruler of B Asc
b12 uranus15 Scorpio 07
return MC16 Aquarius 35

The above set, which uses a return Angle with an orb of 2°. includes an Angle/uranus.

  • return12 mars at 1 Sagittarius 23 is in the same set with pc sun at 0 Sagittarius 42 and pc12 saturn, ruler of C Asc in b 12th house, at 1 Gemini 09.

  • pB MC at 24 Sagittarius 09 is conjunct b12 mercury (in both 12th houses) at 24 Sagittarius 04. Return mars is at 23 Virgo 40.

  • return moon at 27 Aquarius 41 and its harmonic at 27 Scorpio 35 are in the same set with b mars at 28 Leo 23.

The above sets show some of the war significator—specifically Angle/mars and Angle/uranus, but altogether they are not that strong. They lack complete 9th and 12th house influence.

I doubt most readers will take the time to actually examine the sets above.

The main point about all of them is that they satisfy the theoretical significator--what is known so far--for war, that is, Angle/(sun)/mars/uranus/9th/12th in 12th charts for presidents, and 7th charts for affected witnesses.

It is also reasonable to guess that a president's war significator gives us an indication of the strength and duration of the war they represent. Therefore, Roosevelt's significator, which was full and in place from birth, represented a very long, very harsh war which, even though not on American soil, involved countless American lives and citizen mobilization. Bush's significator being less powerful, then, stands for a potent attack but one which, nonetheless, was of far more limited duration and whole-culture mobilization. Accordingly, if Trump's astrology had represented an attack on America, it, too, would have represented far less mobilization and duration than did World War II.

If all this holds up under inspection, it raises interesting questions, for instance, about Abraham Lincoln and the American Civil War? Did he, like Roosevelt for WW II, already have a (civil) war significator in place at birth?

And what about American involvement in the civil wars of other countries? The Viet Nam war (the Vietnamese called it "the American War") spanned five American presidents--Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Johnson, and Ford. What, if anything, in their astrology was an indication of such a long-term involvement?

Data Acknowledgments
Letters following the name show Rodden rating for reliability of birth time. As memory serves me, (AA) means verified by birth record on hand, (A) means something similar but slightly less reliable, B means from a biography, C means reasonably okay but not from verified public records, (DD) stands for "dirty data," i.e., not at all verified or verifiable, therefore unreliable. Birth dates are listed in the same order as presented in the paper.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt (AA)
Birth: 1/30/1882, 8:45 pm LMT, Hyde Park, NY. From Astro-databank, From "Sara and Eleanor: The Story of Sara Delano Roosevelt and Her Daughter-in-Law Eleanor Roosevelt by Jan Pottker, 2005, pg. 59. In wife Sara's diary husband James recorded the labor and delivery of their son: "Sunday night [29 Jan.] at half past eleven Sallie's troubles began, was up and down all night (. . .) At eight pm [30 Jan.] Dr. Parker put her completely under the influence of chloroform. At quarter to nine my Sallie had a splendid large boy, but was unconscious when he was born. Baby weighs ten pounds without clothes."
Conception:4/20/1881, 9:54:57 pm LMT, Hyde Park, NY.

George W. Bush (AA)
Birth: 7/6/1946, 7:26 aim EDT, New Haven, CT. From Astro-databank, Kim Castilla on the internet quotes hospital records. "Back in 1994 when Bush was elected governor of Texas, I called around and actually found a PR person in the hospital where he was born who was willing to look up his birth time for me, so this is from the hospital records. He's not a junior, he has the same initial but a different middle name than his father."

Wayne Turner quotes a biography by Bill Minutaglio, a Texas journalist, published in 1999 by Random House, in which he quotes a certified copy of George W Bush's birth certificate which he obtained from the Connecticut State Dept of Health, Bureau of Vital Statistics. The bio is titled "George W. Bush and the Bush Family Dynasty" and the birth info is on page 24 with a foot note to the source on page 330. 7:26 AM is the time and July 6, 1946 is the date, with New Haven Hospital listed as the place.
Conception:9/27/1945, 2:05:11 am EDT, New Haven, CT.

Rudy Giuliani (A)
Birth: 5/28/1944, 2:30 p.m. EWT, Brooklyn, NY. From Astrodatabank, October 2005 a source who wishes to remain anonymous wrote to PT that the time used here was provided by Giuliani's mother. Previously source notes said “Date given on the Internet with a time of 11:52:56 AM EWT, no source. On Claudia Dikinis' site, she thanks Mary Louise Bateman for this data but Bateman has no source. On ACT, Liane Thomas Wade gave 6:00 AM, no source. Dorothy Kovach rectifies to 9:20 AM.
Conception:8/21/1943, 12:43:21 a.m. EWT, Brooklyn, NY.

Donald Henry Rumsfeld (AA)
Birth: 7/9/1932, 5:40 pm CST, Chicago, IL. From Astro-databank, B.C. in hand from the Wilsons. PT has on file a note (August 2005) from Victoria Williams of the Illinois records office stating that all births up until 1959 were entered in CST. Rumsfeld's record in ADB is therefore correct.
Conception:10/1/1931, 9:26:09 aim CST, Chicago, IL.

Donald John Trump (AA)
Birth: 6/14/1946, 10:54 a..m. EDT. Jamaica, NY. From Astro-databank, PT quotes birth certificate found online. Since the document was evidently posted by Trump, some caution is advised even though there is no evidence that the document was altered. Previously this entry was rated "A" (from memory) and had a birth time of 9:51 AM with the following source notes: LMR quotes a private source who obtained the data from his mother, confirmed by another astrologer who said, "He laughed, then called his mom."

Biography, “Trump, Donald John,” Microsoft (r) Encarta, Copyright 1994 Microsoft Corporation, Copyright (c) 1994 Funk and Wagnalls Corporation.

Biography: Trump, Donald J. and Tony Schwartz, "Trump, The Art of The Deal," Random House, Inc., 1987

Biography: Trump, Donald J. and Chester Leerhsen, "Trump, The Art of Survival," Random House, Inc., 1990

Conception:9/05/1945, 5:10:06 pm EDT, Jamaica, NY.

Anna Eleanor Roosevelt (B)
Birth: 531906, 1:15 pm EST, New York, NY. From Astro-databank, Dana Holliday quotes James Roosevelt autobiography, "My Parents" .
Conception:7/25/1905, 8:22:54 pm EST, New York, NY.

Jenna Bush (A)
Birth: 11/25/1981, 10:05 aim CST, Dallas, TX. From Astro-databank, Nicholas Sutherland quotes news, "close to 10:00 AM" in Considerations Feb-Apr 2001. News media reported that Jenna was the born second of the twins. The date came from Bill Minutaglio, "First Son - George W. Bush and the Bush Family Dynasty," p.202. Jenna was named for Laura's mother; 4 lbs 12 oz.
Conception:2/11/1981 8:33:34 pm CST, Dallas TX.

Tiffany Ariana Trump (A)
Birth: 10/13/1993, 12:50 pm EDT, West Palm Beach, FL From Astro-databank, LMR quotes a newscast given less than 8 hours earlier.
Sy Scholfield quotes “The Donald Becomes a Dad Again, Maples Gives Birth at St. Mary's” by Mitch McKinney, Palm Beach Post, 14 Oct 1993, p. 18 “Tiffany Ariana Trump arrived at 12:50 pm Wednesday at St. Mary's Hospital after a labor that began more than 10 hours earlier.”
Concepti0n:12/31/1992, 1:31:54 pm EST, W. Palm Beach, FL.

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