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This section of my homepage if about people that are defending Daisy Berkowitz or just prove a good point about the band Marilyn Manson. At the page you were just at, I asked everyone that wanted to add to that message I wrote about Daisy not being out of ideas and these people are the people that wrote back. I guess alot of people are feeling that Daisy is NOT out of ideas and here is proof! If you want me to add your message just email me your thoughts. As long as it is about the band and is not 1 sentance(ie: Daisy is cool!) send me it and I will add it. You can swaer if you want but it will be covered up by stupid looking lines. Speak your mind! Send a f---ing comment!

Message is written by: Jason
Posted: December 27th, 1997


Before my actually letter starts, the new album is out & is as follows:
1. The Horrible People: Interesting Remix, not great or anything
2. Tourniquet (Remix): This to me is the "we don't need Daisy remix" & it sort of sucks. First of all, the full-remix of this song has Daisy's guitar still & is about 7 minutes long & is pretty cool...the version is about 4 & sounds weak.
3. Dried Up (Live): A live track...sounds just like the album more or less
4. Antichrist Superstar (Live): Another live track...the solo is done on a Pogo's keyboard or something because while it's going, there's stilla guitar in the background...and the other unimpressive thing about it, is rather than counting two measures for the break in the song, the band just stops & is dependant on the drummer to start the song back up again. (Many bands can all come back in unison, it makes things less impressive to sort of "restart" the song.)
5. Man That You Fear (Acoustic): Another "we don't need Daisy" track & possibly the dumbest track on the whole damn disk...it's called acoustic simply because Twiggy's playing the song on an acoustic guitar...the rest is done on a keyboard, I believe (which is not acoustic), at least on the album it was a rhodes piano (played by Trent Reznor), well, it just pisses me off that this is called "acoustic," it's just like the album but without Daisy, & with some new samples...

My thoughts on Daisy. Daisy rocks always has and always will. First of all, Daisy is definitly NOT out of ideas. if you didnt know he has a new band, Three Ton Gate with NEW songs.
Here is my guided tour of ACS and you tell me who is out of ideas....

Irresponsible Hate Anthem: a Daisy song and played on SLC tour/tease for the new album as any good band would do.
Beautiful People: A song over dependent of bass. I like it mind you, but the guitar is weak.
Dried Up....: This is the song on ACS that I don't like too much so it gets eliminated for my purposes anyway.
Tourniquet: Another Daisy song played on SLC tour.
Little Horn: Trent Reznor song...hmmm...NIN with Marilyn Manson singing wait whos out of ideas again????
Crytorchid: A Gacy song like Revelation #9 or Sh*tty Chicken Gang Bang...but with words...
Deformography: Another Trent song
Wormboy. Another Daisy song...this has become one of my favorite tracks off of ACS actually...
Mr.Superstar: I think this one was done was on SLC tour. I could be wrong but Daisy is playing the guitar on it anyway & Trent is playing a guitar too...I doubt if Twiggy wrote it...I love Twiggy btw just not as a guitarist, only as a bassist.
Angel With The Scabbed Wings: One of the members of NIN is doing guitar on this track...not Twiggy...why is it nowhere on this album do I find Twiggy playing guitar on a track he wrote. It makes me wonder...
Kinderfeld: Does a song called Smells Like Children come to mind from SLC tour. it was cooler then. Kinderfeld is too slow in comparrison.
Antichrist Superstar: Daisy playing guitar nicely again...& the guitar "solo" is actually a guitar, not like when they do it live & it's a keyboard...
1996: Hmmm....where have I heard this guitar riff before....I dunno maybe in a demo song called She Isn't My Girlfriend written by Daisy...
Minute Of Decay: Manson tries to play guitar. isnt too bad... The Reflecting God: Trent song....again....
Man That You Fear: Daisy song...but alot of the lyrics are taken from an old Manson demo song...whos running out of creative ideas???????????
So that was my rant about ACS. how great Daisy is! The new songs I've heard by Manson, Long Hard Road Out Of Hell, Suck For Your Solution, Apple of Sodom, are pretty cool but dont have that same Daisy feel. There is no typically cool Daisy solo or anything....ok...Ive probably ranted enough....
Jason

P.S. I'm adding this post script from a sort of recent personal experience. I was in a band. It started out quite fun. I would make demonic, yet somehow happy riffs & my friends would jam along & it was kinda like evil with a sugar coating. However, one day the rest of the band decided they wanted the sugar coating gone & make the band just a hard nugget of evil. I didn't much like this idea...I tried to make it work for a while but I couldn't keep anger & evil up...music to me was a way to enjoy yourself, it's something I enjoy doing...it should be enjoyable, not necessarily evil & if evil is forced upon it, it might just crack...well, maybe something like that happened to Daisy. Perhaps, Daisy liked playing songs like My Monkey & Cake & Sodomy, but Manson's new approach didn't please him...henceforth to Manson, he seemed out of ideas, at least evil sounding ones...well, if that made sense, I'll be surprised, but it sounded good in my head.

Written By:????????
Posted On:January 11th, 1998

well its about damn time someone besides myself said it.
Daisy was 3/4 of the fu****g band.
His playing is unlike anything ive ever heard.
Its a damn shame Manson is trading the art for money. "excactly what he preaches agianst".
His lyrics also took a turn for the worst. Can anyone say "appeal to a lower intelect for cash"?
I think Manson can. I wish I could hear the songs Daisy wrote for the album that didnt make it.
That as****e took something that was pure art and cut it in half. We were robbed of are release of aggression that our fu**** up, drunken, doped up fathers instilled in us.
im worried NIN is going the same direction. I know this space was for "favourite song" but, I had to tell you thanks for making me feel like im not the only true Marilyn fan left
. The new s*** is ok but its nowhere near what it used to be.


Written By:???????
Posted On: March 16th, 1998

I SAW MARILYN MANSON THREE TIMES ON THE ANTICHRIST SUPERSTAR TOUR NOW I KNOW THIS MEANS NOTHING TO YOU BUT IT DOES TO EVERYBODY WHO'S INTO MANSON. FIRST OF ALL, I PLAY GUITAR AND WHEN YOU HEAR A GUITAR SOLO, YOU LIKE TO CHECK OUT THE GUY FRYING. WELL, MR ZIM ZUM DIDN T PLAY A DAMN THING EVERYTHING WAS SAMPLED AND OVERDUBBED WHICH IS GREAT IF YOU ARE THERE FOR THE THEATRICS OF THE SHOW BUT IF YOUR GOING TO TAKE A BAND SERIOUS SHOULDN'T YOU PLAY YOUR OWN MUSIC? (I REMEBER ANOTHER BAND THAT DIDN'T PLAY THIER OWN MUSIC OR SING THEY WERE CALLED MILLI VANILLI)I MEAN I WAS AT LAWRENCE JOEL IN WINSTON SALEM AND THE SHOW WAS FAR FROM GOOD THEY STILL HAD EMPTY SEATS THIS WAS TWO MONTHS AFTER I SAW THEM IN CHARLOTTE NC WERE THEY PERFORMED A HELLUVA SHOW WITH MORE OVERDUBBS AND SAMPLES OF GUITARS MY WHOLE POINT IS IF ITS NOT F---ING BROKE DON T FIX IT AND MR MANSON GETS A CHANCE TO READ THIS IF YOU POST IT GIVE ME A CALL BECAUSE I DON T HAVE TO OVERDUBB MY GUITAR BY THE WAY COOL SITE DUDE YOU KEEP F---ING ROCKING

Written By:???????
Posted On: April 4th, 1998

Daisy: wrote or co-wrote on every song for Portrait except for "Sweet Tooth", written by Gidget. Wrote the majority of the music to "Irresponsible Hate Anthem", "Tourniquet", "Wormboy", and "Man That You Fear". Played guitar on 10 out of 16 of the songs.

The thing everyone has to realize was that Antichrist was supposed to be a very heavy record. I don't know if Daisy was into that or not. I'm sure Twiggy was. I think Daisy should've stayed since Marilyn Manson are now in the process of trying to make an album that would've been more to Daisy's likings. I can understand what Marilyn was trying to do with the Beautiful People song and the black clothes but it wasn't worth Daisy leaving. Both Daisy and Marilyn will probably regret Berkowitz's departure from the band.

About Zim Zum not playing all of Daisy's solos. Zim Zum had to go from playing in small clubs to a rather large stage show. I'm sure he didn't have enough time to get Daisy's rather difficult solos down so I understand the prosthetic solos.

Written by: Jim
Posted on: April 18th, 1998

i sort of disagree. Daisy was and still is very talented. he hardly ran out of ideas its just that Manson and Twiggy were getting to specific and it just got to difficult. However I think the music has not gotten worse by any means and has gotten better. Daisy was an excellent musician but his wasnt the right kind of music for Manson's new stuff. Currently Daisy is working on his own project called Three Ton gate which even though i haven't heard any of their music they sound and look pretty cool. Since Scott himself has created this site I think you should have a link to it. And I highly doubt that Daisy made the band what it is today. He was talented but Marilyn is still the guiding force. Thank you.

Jim



Written by:Spliff
Posted On:May 28th, 1998

It's about time that there's a good website dedicated to Daisy Berkowitz! He was, without a doubt, the band member with the most musical talent and despite what "Mr. Manson" claims, Daisy wasn't just a "young kid that happened to be hired." He was the one that gave the band it's awesome signature sound on Portrait of an American Family and Smells Like Children. Sadly, this was almost totally lost on "Antichrist Superstar" after he left (got kicked out, possibly?) and Manson and Twiggy took things too damn seriously. From what I've heard about Marilyn Manson's new album, it's mostly just remixes (of songs that weren't that great to begin with) and the reason for that is probably because the band can't come up with anything better with Daisy being gone. And I've heard their songs since he left (like "Long Hard Road out of Hell" and such) and they're OKAY, but Marilyn Manson will never ever be as good without Daisy. And I hope they realize this when the band is dead and they all end up working at McDonald's. Thanx for giving Daisy the credit he deserves.


Written by:tanja
Posted On:June 14th, 1998

hello there, i am tanja, 27 years old from toenisvorst in west - germany, and i hope you'll understand my english - it's not my mother tongue, but i'll try my hardest....
i just want to say that i miss scott so much, to me he had been the heart and spirit of marilyn manson, not brian. maybe you don't know, but in germany the band doesn't cause big reactions because of their image, music, show or interviews. as much as i know there are - or were - only two real musicians in the band before scott left, now it's only kenny (i don't like to call him ginger as there's nothing female on him) who did drums since he was a baby (or very, very young). jeordie can't play at all, nothing against mike, but he is not scott (not his fault), and stephen is certainly good at his job (and also trying to pretend that he is a bad, bad boy, but despite all the image, " i love satan"-shirts and nazi-like outfit i think he is just a little bunny), but without scott the band lost so much of its power. i feel so sorry for scott, fighting so hard for his rights and money, and all he gets is bad words. scott didn't deserve that, and i am sure that he will return to the scene soon, because he is too talented to give up. i was told that people (at least in germany) get fed up with brian and jeordie who are only two stupid children in men's bodies. i wonder how kenny and stephen can deal with those babies as they seem to be real adults. not because of their age, but especially kenny seems to be a very balanced and serious man. i think scott is better without brian and jeordie, i hope he gets his money soon and that he can start a new career.
scott is a real musician, i am the lucky owner of "vanishing century" and i love that cd. brians says that he wants to shock people. how? and why? if there's no talent, you can forget about the rest. e.g. blow jobs are not shocking, they can be fantastic, so why did he faked it on stage? ridiculous.... nevertheless, the next album will tell, and i hope scott has a reason to laugh. oh, one more thing - i heard that brian attacks scott in many ways in his book. i didn't read it and i won't, but i heard brian wrote something impolite about what scott prefers sexually. well, firstly, what does that have to do with music, and secondly, what's wrong with that if scott knows what he wants? that's it actually, i hope many of you share my view. i don't have a look into the internet very often as i don't like it and i have no access to it, this is my dad's computer. bye!

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