Topic: Politics
This is an exchange between myself and Roy. These emails were written in 2004. I still fully believe it today. I added a couple of things to it today, Tuesday, June 20, 2006.
First up is Roy (September 15, 2004):
I do disagree about what you think of Bush. The guy is a moron, and if you
don't think so you haven't done your homework.
And ask yourself this. Why are we in Iraq and why did we go there in the
first place? You will find that the reasons the Government gave were not
supported with any evidence. The law of the land states that any country is
entitled to their own sovereignty no matter how its being ran. And if you
believe past genocide in Iraq is a good reason then don't forget that there
has been other incidents of genocide that the U.S. did nothing about, Africa
for example.
There was just no real reason to invade Iraq.
I would like to know your opinion on this but be objective.
I wrote the following to Roy on the 20th.:
Here?s some info and opinion on the Iraq war for you, Roy.
Why did we go to war in Iraq?
There are several reasons.
The 1991 war did not end in a peace treaty, it ended in a cease fire. What that means is that the current war is not a new war it is a continuation of the previous war which never officially ended.
The new war is largely a result of Hussein?s complete contempt for, and violations of, the cease-fire agreement, combined with a new President (Bush) and an American congress that was afraid of what Hussein might be able to do with unconventional weapons as shown by the terrorists in the 9/11 attacks.
In the cease fire, Saddam Hussein agreed to allow UN weapons inspectors into to his country and to a ?no fly? zone over parts of his country.
The ?no-fly? zone was intended to prevent him from attacking Kurds in the North of Iraq and enemy Muslims elsewhere in Iraq. None of his warplanes were permitted to fly in that zone, and Hussein agreed to allow US planes to patrol the area.
Almost from the beginning, Hussein shot at allied planes over the no-fly zone. Every day he fired anti-aircraft missiles at planes enforcing the no-fly zone in complete violation of the cease fire agreement he signed!!
Fortunately, his missiles were obsolete and didn't destroy any planes, but I've heard that it was a little nerve racking for the pilots to be shot at everyday. After all if they made a mistake or had a mechanical problem, they would be shot down and maybe die.
Almost from the beginning, Hussein harassed and delayed the weapons inspectors. He finally threw them out of the country in 1998; which is the year that the Clinton administration formally declared ?regime-change? in Iraq to be the official US policy there.
Either of these violations should have led to war, but I guess that Clinton didn't really see Hussein as a real threat even though he had large stockpiles of WMDs and had apparently violated all provisions of the cease-fire. Either that, or he didn't have the guts to go to war over it.
There?s absolutely no doubt that Hussein had WMDs at one time. Remember Iraq definitely had them in the 80s when they gassed 100,000 Kurds to death in northern Iraq.
Bill Clinton has repeatedly said that Iraq definitely had them in January of 2001 when he left office.
I think even Hussein admits that he had WMDs into the 90s. He just claims they destroyed all of them in the mid-90s. If that?s true, why didn't they just show the destruction process to the UN inspectors?
In 2002, the UN and the US congress were both convinced that Iraq had WMDs. That?s why the UN passed a resolution demanding that Iraq allow the inspectors to go back into Iraq.
What most people don't realize is that under the previous agreements, Hussein had the burden of proof, not the inspectors.
Iraq was required to prove that it had destroyed all their WMDs by showing the inspectors the sites where it had been done or allowing interviews with scientists who'd helped in the destruction. (2006: Let me emphasize this point again. Under the terms of the cease-fire agreement, Iraq HAD to destroy all WMDs. PROVE that it had destroyed all WMDs, or turn them over to the inspectors to be destroyed. The official Iraq policy was to deny their existence, or claim they had been destroyed, and refuse to offer any evidence in either case. The notion that inspectors had to search Iraq like a big Easter egg hunt looking for weapons is ridiculous. War should have been initiated at the first refusal to turn over all WMDs. "We don't have any WMDs" should have been absolutely unacceptable as a response.)
Iraq never allowed their scientists to be interviewed by the UN outside of Iraq with their families. Iraq claimed that any scientist could be interviewed, but claimed that none of them wanted to be interviewed. What a joke!
Hussein simply would've raped and murdered their families if they'd consented to interviews.
What Iraq could've done to prevent the war. Recently, Qadaffi in Libya called weapons inspectors into Libya to observe his destruction of WMDs.
Actually there was a ton of evidence to support the view that Iraq had WMDs. Even France and Germany thought so, they just didn't want to go to war over it.
If Saddam didn't have any weapons why did he pretend he did? Why would he destroy them in the 90s?
And if he did why did he do it secretly?
Why did he delay and harass the inspectors?
Why did he shoot at US planes everyday?
Why didn't he allow the inspectors to take his scientists out of the country for safe interviews?
Saddam was a huge supporter of terrorism. He sent $25,000 to every Palestinian suicide bomber who killed people in Israel. Of course, it went to the surviving family members. $25,000 is like a million to a Palestinian.
If Bush lied, why does Clinton say that Iraq had WMDs as late as 2001?
Bush wanted to be sure about the WMDs, so he directly asked the CIA head, Tennet, about the WMDs. He said, ?I want to know how good the evidence is for WMDs.? Tennet said, ?Mr. President, it?s a slam dunk!? This fact was first reported in an anti-Bush book by a liberal journalist by the name of Bob Woodward! (Tennet was the CIA head from the Clinton era.)
If Bush lied, why did congress and the UN vote to support him?
Personally, I think Saddam did have some weapons which were sent abroad or buried somewhere, but maybe not as many as we feared.
Even during the current war they've found lots of dual purpose factories which could easily be converted to making WMDs, although there weren't any WMDs themselves found.
We went to war to enforce the cease-fire agreement and the UN resolution, not to free the Iraqis.
The war was legal, just, and moral. Saddam murdered over a million in his 30 years as President. (2006: I've read some estimates that it was between 300,000 to 1 million.)
He attacked four countries without any provocation: Iran, Kuwait, Israel, and I can't remember the other. Maybe it was Saudi Arabia in the Gulf War.
In the post-9/11 era we couldn't afford to allow him to continue to mock the cease-fire agreement and the UN resolution.
Ultimately there are several good reasons for removing him from power.
He was a huge threat to our middle-east oil supply. After all, he'd attacked several oil countries before.
We are bringing democracy to Iraq! (Even though we will probably receive nothing in return except a $200 billion bill--and a little peace of mind.)
By the way, no, we aren't saving Africans from slaughter in Sudan. So what? Iraq is a greater threat to us, and we don't have the resources to bring justice to the entire world.
That doesn't negate the incredible good being done in Afghanistan and Iraq. But you're right, that wasn't the reason for attacking Iraq.
Bush really disappointed me with his lack of clarity on the war. We went to war to protect ourselves, not to free Iraq. Whoever decided to call the operation ?Iraqi Freedom? was a fool.
I was angered in 2003 that Bush allowed the WMD talk to become the number one reason, it never was.
He should have focused on the issue of the daily violations of the cease-fire, and the complete contempt being shown by Hussein for the WMD issue. Saddam had to PROVE there weren't any. Simply allowing inspections was never enough, he had to PROVE that he'd destroyed them.
Bush didn't think about the long-term, or maybe he thought people wouldn't care about the cease-fire agreement issue. Whatever, he could've done a better of laying out the reasons for the war.
Of course, he did mention everything I've mentioned in this letter. But he didn't emphasize the points I'm emphasizing here.
The bottom line is that reasons for the war were:
1. Enforce the cease-fire agreements.
2. Make sure there were no WMDs
3. Remove Iraq?s threat to our oil supply.
4. Remove a large supporter of terrorism.
5. Remove Iraq?s ability to produce WMDs in the future, or to provide them to terrorists.
All of these things became important after 9/11. We simply couldn't afford to have a rogue dictator-led country that spit in our face, threatened our oil supply, and could potentially provide terrorists with the capital and resources to acquire WMDs or other means to attack us.
If there had never been a cease-fire agreement, there could never have been a war. That?s the bottom line. No one forced Saddam to sign the cease-fire agreement, and no one forced him to violate EVERY damn provision in it. ANY violation in the cease-fire agreement meant that the US could resume the war!
As I've said again and again, There are a lot of countries that are very dangerous in the world, but Iraq was unique in 5 ways. They had a cease-fire agreement, they had gassed 100,000 people to death, they were active terrorism supporters, they threatened our oil supply, and they had already attacked four other countries.
You might feel that we can never morally attack another country to defend our oil supply, but why not?
Of course, it?s not the major issue, as I've made clear here. But we have the free-est, greatest country in the history of the planet. We are the ones that discovered oil in the middle-east, and we are the ones that are providing the technology to extract it from there. The Arabs, after 80 years, are still so technologically backward that they cannot manage the access to their oil supply. In spite of the hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars they've received in oil revenue.
Even if we attacked them to STEAL their oil, there would be a moral argument in our favor since they have no democracy and they oppress women and people of other religions.
But that?s just a hypothetical. That?s not the reason for the war.
But PROTECTING the middle-east from Hussein is important. Protecting our oil supply from a madman is in our interests as well.
Even if there were no WMDs, it doesn't matter because EVERYONE thought there were. They were wrong, perhaps, but they didn't lie. And even without any WMDs the war was just and moral.
I've spent a lot of time on this, Roy. Now if you disagree, please spend several hours of your time refuting my arguments! Haha!
Updated: Wednesday, 21 June 2006 1:07 AM KDT
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