Wands
Cups
Swords
Pentacles
Different Spreads
Questions & answers
Reading #2
Court cards
SAMPLE READINGS:
I use my own version of a Dragon's Eye
spread. Let me try to explain....
1 is in the middle.
2, 3 & 4 form a triangle to the bottom
right of the 1.( 2 is on the top of the
triangle. 3 is on the lower right
corner. 4 is on the lower left corner)
5, 6, & 7 form a triangle on the
lower left side of the 1. (5 is on top
of the triangle. 6 is on the lower right
corner. 7 is on the lower left
corner)
1 is the heart of the situation.
2, 3, and 4 are what has led to the
situation.
2 is what external forces
of chance/fate
3 is what you have
done
4 is what others have done.
5,6,7 explain how people are feeling
and viewing what is happening.
5 is
those who aren't directly involved
6
is you
7 is other people who are
involved.
8,9, and 10 are what must
be done to cause the best outcome.
8 is what you need to change in your
surroundings, people and
environment.
9 is what you must
change about yourself.
10 is how you
must deal with the others involved in
the situation.
From: Carissa
This reading is for a woman wishing for
insights into her relationship with her
S.O.:
One is the heart of the situation: The
Moon
Two is the external forces leading up to
this situation: 3 of Cups
Three is
what the querant has done leading up to
this: King of Swords
Four is what
the S.O. has done leading uup to this
situation: 6 of Pentacles
Five is how those outside the situation
view it: The Chariot
Six is how the
querant views the situation: The
Hierophant
Seven is how the S.O.
views the situation: 4 of Cups
Eight is what the querant needs to
change in her surroundings, people and
environment: Nine of Wands
Nine is
what the querant needs to change about/
within herself: Queen of Wands
Ten is
what the querant needs to deal with her
S.O. and change the relationship: Nine
of cups
Okay, there she is. Go to it!
BB,
Carissa
From: Armande
Hi all!
Well, I've decided to try my hand at
this one... "Try" being the operative
word. I hope I get some leniance because
this is my first online reading...
Armande
***
It obviously is a very emotional time,
many highs and many lows. There is a
hint of this being important for
Q. to experience, even when it is
tiresome. Most of these emotions take
place inside. The outward world does not
get to see that, they see the confindent
side and think Q. is also on top of her
emotional issues. I get the impression
that the relationship is more important
to Q. than it is to S.O. He is a bit
ambivalent about it. Q. feels insecure
about this: "should I stay or should I
go?". Still all of this going on inside
Q.
The advice for Q. is to take a firm
stand re this relationship, open your
mouth. Let go of your ideas of formality
and conventionality and trust yourself.
You are stronger than you think and do
not be submissive. You have a lot of
power re other aspects of your life and
you can have it in your relationship
too. Yes, it is scary because you feel
you may lose S.O. but it is essential to
do to become unstuck. It will probably
lead to a breakthrough, allowing fresh
air into the relationship and leading to
new possibilities.
From: Carissa
One is the heart of the situation: The
Moon
Conflict and change, a lack of
stability. There is a lot of
uncertainty, of not knowing where one
stands and what is coming next.
Two is the external forces leading up
to this situation: 3 of Cups
Good fortune in love, a happy
relationship sought. This is something
you worked towards finding and tried to
make happen. In the past, you thought
you found that happy relationship that
you, and everyone around you, wanted to
happen in your life.
Three is what the querant has done
leading up to this: King of Swords
The S.O.? This card I am a little
unsure on. I think this card is talking
about her choice of a lover. While he is
firm in friendship, he is also
suspicious and overcautious. He is the
type of person who likes to be in
control and likes to make decisions.
The querant knew about this when she
chose him to be part of her life.
Four is what the S.O. has done leading
up to this situation: 6 of Pentacles
In the past the S.O showed true
generosity, whether material or
spiritual. He shared what he could
unselfishly.
Five is how those outside the situation
view it: The Chariot
The querant or the S.O. (or both) is
seen as being determined, ambitious, in
control....though by some it is seen
less positively as being overcontrolling
and domineering. Perhaps others see two
people who are very alike in this
respect, and this have conflict because
BOTH want to pull the strings.
Six is how the querant views the
situation: The Hierophant
The querant wants the stability and
comfort of a steady relationship. This
relationship, however, may feel stagnant
and confining to her.
Seven is how
the S.O. views the situation: 4 of
Cups
He is re-evaluating everything. He is
dissatisfied with it and the world in
general, of which the relationship is an
extension and reflection.
Eight is
what the querant needs to change in her
surroundings, people and environment:
Nine of Wands
Be prepared for a fight. You've had to
struggle and fight before, and you will
have to do it again. You are defending
your territory, so to speak, so get
ready.
Nine is what the querant needs to change
about/ within herself: Queen of
Wands
Be honorable and virtuous, strong and
confident. I perceive this as being the
querant herself. In order for this
relationship to work, she would have to
fundamentally change who she is.
Ten is what the querant needs to deal
with her S.O. and change the
relationship: Nine of cups
Seek your wishes...material success, an
assured future, health and physical
well-being.
Prairie wrote:
Here's what I would say:
1. Heart of the matter: The Moon
......
This has to do with hidden
danger. Is he psychologically abusive?
(Physical abuse wouldn't be hidden.
Psychological abuse would be hidden &
unconscious... all attributes of the
Moon). I'd be willing to bet he drinks
or does drugs.
2. External forces leading up to the
matter: 3 Cups ......
A happy &
fulfilling relationship. On the surface
(externally), this appears to be a happy
couple. How long has she been in this
relationship? My guess would be a
multiple of three.
3. What she has done: King of Swords
......
Uh oh. This tells me she went
into this relationship with her eyes
wide open. She knew what kind of person
he was & went for it anyway. Maybe it
was on an unconscious level, but she
knew. This also tells me she may have a
low self-esteem. She feels she doesn't
deserve any better than this.
4. What he has done: 6 Pentacles
......
At first, he was generous
with his money, and she fell for it. Was
he also generous with other things, then
took them back? Like, maybe he was
generous with his affection, then later
turned cold?
5. How others outside the situation see
it: The Chariot ......
Others tell
her to leave him. Whether she listens to
their advice remains to be seen.
6. How she views it: The Hierophant.
......
She's looking for security.
She sees the house in the country with
the white picket fence. Along with that
is the fear of losing all that if she
left him, like everybody is telling her.
Has she had failed relationships in the
past? I'd be wiling to bet a lot of it
has to do with a fear of how
conventional society - her friends-will
see it. What will they say if they see
her "failing" again.
7. How he views it: 4 Cups.
He feels discontented with the
relationship also. They need to
communicate better. They both see it as
falling apart, but neither one wants to
do anything about it. I'd be interested
in seeing a reading done from HIS point
of view!
8. What she needs to change: 9 Wands
.....
She needs to confront him
head-on & quit running from
confrontation. I understand that she may
be afraid of him because of the abuse
shown in the Moon card, but she needs to
overcome her fear & face him
squarely.
9. What she needs to change about
herself: Queen Wands. ......
She
wants to be the Queen, and she needs to
work toward that goal. The Queen loves
her home (has she maybe given up on her
home?). She is loyal, loving, friendly,
compassionate. This woman needs to work
on bringing those qualities out in
herself. Maybe she used to have them &
has given them up because of the
abuse??
10. How she needs to deal with him &
change the relationship: 9 Cups.
......
This is the wish card. She
needs to figure out exactly what she is
really wishing for in regards to this
relationship. Contentment goes along
with this card. Maybe she needs to learn
to be more content where she is instead
of trying to get out of where she
is?
This is what I see.
From: "Tracy"
Hi Carissa
I'm quite a lurker on the group, but I
thought I would bite the bullet and
offer my interpretation of the cards you
gave us.
Here goes
This reading is for a woman wishing for insights into her relationship with her S.O.
One is the heart of the situation: The
Moon
There are issues which need dealing
with... things which need to be brought
to the surface.... the querant feels
confused and can't make sense of things
troubling her. This card could also
indicate that the romance is being
"hidden", or I get the feeling that the
true feelings of the querant are being
stifled... but I'll give you more about
that with the other cards.
Two is the external forces leading up to
this situation: 3 of Cups
The relationship had a good start...
good times, parties, food and wine....
:)
Three is what the querant has done
leading up to this: King of Swords
The querant has avoided making an
emotional commitment. Like, when you get
hurt in the past, then any other
relationship suffer because you are
scared to devote yourself to it. So each
word and action is careful weighed and
balanced, things are "fair" - very
"intellectual based".
Four is what the S.O. has done leading
uup to this situation: 6 of
Pentacles
S.O. has been caring and sharing, and
giving his equal share. Giving what is
necessary.....
Five is how those outside the situation
view it: The Chariot
Other people see this relationship as
two opposites moving in the same
direction. Fast, furious and fun.
Six is how the querant views the
situation: The Hierophant
The querant is taking the relationship
very seriously... probably wanting a
commitment.... even marriage... doing
things morally "correct"
Seven is how the S.O. views the
situation: 4 of Cups
I feel that he would like things to be
more emotional.... like he offers love,
but the querant, being like the king of
swords, is quite detached from the
emotional aspect of the relationship.
(It could be the other way round of
course)
Eight is what the querant needs to
change in her surroundings, people and
environment: Nine of Wands
She needs to relax more... she needs to
stop defending herself, watching and
waiting, expecting things to go
wrong.
Nine is what the querant needs to change
about/ within herself: Queen of
Wands
She needs to realize that she has great
capacity to have warmth and love,
domestic bliss and great happiness. She
has a fountain of energy inside her,
confidence, if only she taps into it.
Ten is what the querant needs to deal
with her S.O. and change the
relationship: Nine of cups
She got what she wished for...... I
think there is a slight warning not to
become complacent... just because the
relationship was "achieved" doesn't mean
that the work is now over.... you have
to carry on working at it always.....
Okay, phew... thats my
interpretation.
BB
Tracy
Critique by Prairie
Here goes
This reading is for a woman wishing for
insights into her relationship with her
S.O.
One is the heart of the
situation: The Moon
There are
issues which need dealing with... things
which need to be brought to the
surface.... the querant feels confused
and can't make sense of things troubling
her. This card could also indicate that
the romance is being "hidden", or I get
the feeling that the true feelings of
the querant are being stifled... but
I'll give you more about that with the
other cards.
***Very good. The Moon can mean hidden things. Since this is the heart of the situation, I think you got it right on when you said she stifles her feelings. This could lead to confusion.***
Two is the external
forces leading up to this situation: 3
of Cups
The relationship had a good
start... good times, parties, food and
wine.... :)
***Perfect. Because this position is referring to the circumstances leading up to the situation, the 3 is what the relationship started out like.***
Three is what the querant has done
leading up to this: King of Swords
The querant has avoided making an
emotional commitment. Like, when you get
hurt in the past, then any other
relationship suffer because you are
scared to devote yourself to it. So each
word and action is careful weighed and
balanced, things are "fair" - very
"intellectual based".
***Because Swords are the suit of the mind, I would have to agree with this interpretation of this card. Remember, the King doesn't have to be male!***
Four is what
the S.O. has done leading up to this
situation: 6 of Pentacles
S.O. has
been
caring and sharing, and giving his equal
share. Giving what is
necessary.....
***Only one thing I'd have to say here, is that this is the position of what he did leading up to the situation. There's no indication that he is still giving his equal share. Remember the 3 of Cups? It started out great, then went downhill.***
Five is how those outside the situation
view it: The Chariot
Other people
see this relationship as two opposites
moving in the same direction. Fast,
furious and fun
***Hmmm.... I think I would have to interpret this card as the literal meaning. This woman is obviously concerned, so there must be a major problem. Usually, a person's friends can spot problems before the person. I would think her friends are counselling her to leave him.***
Six is how the
querant views the situation: The
Hierophant
The querant is taking
the relationship very seriously...
probably wanting a commitment.... even
marriage... doing things morally
"correct"
***That's a very good interpretation for this card. The Hierophant is called the pope in some decks.***
Seven is how the S.O.
views the situation: 4 of Cups
I
feel that he would like things to be
more emotional.... like he offers love,
but the querant, being like the king of
swords, is quite detached from the
emotional aspect of the relationship.
(It could be the other way round of
course)
***The position here is how the SO sees the situation, not the querant. I see it as being the other way around. In the Rider deck, the man is being offered the cup, but he seems uninterested in it. I feel he is being offered love, but is uninterested. I'd have to ask why, seeing as how he started out with the 6 of pentacles***
Eight is what the
querant needs to change in her
surroundings, people and environment:
Nine of Wands
She needs to relax
more... she needs to stop defending
herself, watching and waiting, expecting
things to go wrong.
***I'm not sure I see this. The 9 is a card of strength. If attacked, she will fight back because she has the strength to do so. I think maybe she needs to defend herself more and not be a doormat for him to walk on.***
Nine is what the querant
needs to change about/ within herself:
Queen of Wands
She needs to realize
that she has great capacity to have
warmth and love, domestic bliss and
great happiness. She has a fountain of
energy inside her, confidence, if only
she taps into it.
***You got the Queen just right. This card indicates what she needs to change inside herself. Se wants to be the queen. Good job! I wonder whats holding her back from realizing her potential?***
Ten
is what the querant needs to deal with
her S.O. and change the relationship:
Nine of cups
She got what she
wished
for...... I think there is a slight
warning not to become complacent... just
because the relationship was "achieved"
doesn't mean that the work is now
over.... you have to carry on working at
it always.....
***Yes, I can see this.***
Okay, phew... that's my
interpretation.
BB
Tracy
***Very good! I think you did an excellent job!! It's always harder when the querant isn't there in person. Several times, I wished I could ask her if such-and-such were going on. It would have helped immensely. But, I think you did a VERY good job!! Pat yourself on the back & listen to the round of applause coming your way!!***
From: Kat:
Here is my take on this reading...
This reading is for a woman wishing for
insights into her relationship with her
S.O.
1) is the heart of the situation: The
Moon
Querent is confused, she doesn't know
what to do or where to turn.
2) is the external forces leading up to
this situation: 3 of Cups
Q has been having a good time with her
SO.
3) is what the querant has done leading
up to this: King of Swords
Q is letting her head rule her heart.
4) is what the S.O. has done leading up
to this situation: 6 of Pentacles
Q's SO has been very giving in their
relationship.
5) is how those outside the situation
view it: The Chariot
Friends think Q needs to take control of
the situation and stop being so
passive.
6) is how the querant views the
situation: The Hierophant
Q is taking a very traditional view on
the relationship.
7) is how the S.O. views the situation:
4 of Cups
SO doesn't see what is being offered to
him.
8) is what the querant needs to change
in her surroundings, people and
environment: 9 of Wands
Be patient. Don't act hastily.
9) is what the querant needs to change
about/ within herself: Queen of
Wands
Show your feelings, be more open.
10) is what the querant needs to deal
with her S.O. and change the
relationship: 9 of cups
You may think you have everything you
want, but don't be complacent. Act,
don't react.
Additional information: There were 3
majors, 3 cups, and 2 rods telling me
that this is a wisdom gathering time
involving emotions and the intellect.
The number 4 occured times and 9
appeared twice. These numbers could have
possible meaning to the Querent.
B*B--Kat
From: "Indra"
Merry Meet all!
Okay, now it's time for my try with this
reading. This is the first reading I've
done for anyone else than myself so it
took some time but it was absolutely
worth it.
Keep in mind that I'm Swedish so there
might be times when I don't find the
exact word for what I want to say.
Blessed be!
Indra!
A relationship passes though many different phases. First there's the phase when you fall in love. Everything is sunshine, pink clouds and perfect love. When this period ends comes the phase (maybe combined with a crisis) where you either move in to real LOVE or separate. I get the feeling that this is where this relationship stands at the moment.
3 OF CUPS shows the happy "fall in love"- phase. When everything were just perfect for this couple.
THE MOON on the other hand shows upset emotions and the fact that Q is going through a time of changes. Maybe the relationship has stagnated? Q asks herself where the relationship is going. The troubles are more on the emotional, subconscious levels and Q should be aware that things are not always the way they seems to be. They could be better (the ghost you see in the moonlight can be just an ordinary thing when the sunshine arrives) or worse (the moon gives a silvery shinning to the things that may look ugly in sunlight.)
As I see this Q is a powerful person KING OF SWORDS with strong integrity. But perhaps she's a bit afraid of showing her feelings. Maybe because of a bad relationship in the past? I feel that she kept a certain distant to her S.O because of this. She put up a limit in her heart (and maybe life) "You're only allowed this far". Q is also that kind of woman that doesn't want to be dominated by a man. She's too strong to be obedient.
The S.O on the other hand 6 OF PENTACLES is a person that's not afraid of showing his feelings. He's literally poured love over Q and has been very generous and warm. Maybe to a point were Q felt overwhelmed and inferior.
Their friends sees this as a high speed relationship. THE CHARIOT But where are they speeding? It wouldn't surprise me if some people see them as "the perfect couple" that are moving with high speed to a mutual goal. But I think that the persons that knows them better rather feel that they are heading for the end. They might ask them to slow down a bit? Why this rush?
Q takes this situation seriously THE HIEROPHANT. I get the feeling that she's afraid of being dominated and oppressed by her S.O. And she feels like he wants her to obey him.
The S.O. on the other hand has started to despair. 4 OF CUPS Perhaps he's losing interest in Q or maybe he doesn't feel loved enough since Q have been afraid to show her feelings. For some reason he doesn't see what he's got/gets and he's maybe started to doubt what he wants. *sigh* The S.O is well aware of the situation but since he doesn't know what he wants or what to do about it he pretends that he doesn't see it.
9 OF RODS tells Q that it's time to start acting, to sort out the problem. She is a powerful person and she's got all the extra energy it takes to sort things out to the best even though it might need a lot of work. She's well capable to defend herself and her opinions if that's needed.
QUEEN OF RODS shows that Q is a really warm and loving person if she just dares to be. She's full of creativity and energy. Love yourself Q! You're really worth it! This card also speaks about resolution. It's time for Q to look inside herself to find the answer to what to do about this situation. Q needs to work with realizing that she truly is a queen and that she's worth loving and to dare to love, both her self and others.
9 OF CUPS also speaks about how important it is to love yourself. It's first when you do this that you're able to give to others. There are a lot of warmth and generosity to give of. This cards also speaks about emotional security. Does Q get emotional security from her S.O? Or will she give emotional security to him when she dares to show him what she feels? One thing is absolutely sure, Q will experience emotional security when she dares to love herself.
From: "Indra"
Me again! :o)
I just wanted to thank you for this
layout Carissa. It's been working very
well for me. I've tried it three times
this far. One for Q, one for my brother
and one for me. I think it's perfect the
way it shows you what you need to work
on more than the final outcome. I know
my brother wouldn't have dared to ask
the question he did if the cards would
have given him the final outcome since
he isn't sure if he wants to know the
outcome of this.
The fascinating thing is that 6 of
pentacles have appeared in all readings
(even in the same place for my brother
and Q) but I've interpreted the same
card VERY differently each time.
First of all I try to get my own feeling
for the card and then I check my books.
(If they doesn't match, which they've
usually done, the books are wrong LOL)
An interesting thing is that even though
I checked all my books when I did the
reading for my brother I couldn't even
find the same words about 6 of pent. as
when I did the reading for Q (just a
couple of hours earlier). To me this
shows that not only the card tells you
different things in different readings
but even the books shows you the things
you need for this particulare
reading.
Indra!
From: Suzanne Levinson
Here is my take on the reading you
wanted us to do, Carissa:
One is the heart of the situation: The
Moon
(This is obvious. The Moon deals with
emotional currents and Women in general.
This is the heart of the situation ---
what the Woman wants to know about the
emotional content of her
realtionship.)
Two is the external forces leading up to
this situation: 3 of Cups
(She met this man while socializing with
friends. The two started out as two
members of a larger social group.)
Three is what the querant has done
leading up to this: King of Swords
(She has always let the man make
decisions in her relationships.)
Four is what the S.O. has done leading
uup to this situation: 6 of
Pentacles
(I suspect she may have met the man at
work, in a day-to-day job.)
Five is how those outside the situation
view it: The Chariot
(If the Chariot is rightside up, it
means that others approve of the
relationship. If it is upside down., it
means that others find it too wild and
unconventional.)
Six is how the querant views the
situation: The Hierophant
(She sees that it could lead to
marriage.)
Seven is how the S.O. views the
situation: 4 of Cups
(He sees it as a happy living situation,
with a possible future.)
Eight is what the querant needs to
change in her surroundings, people and
environment: Nine of Wands
(She needs to start hanging out more
with couples and other mixed groups,
with the man.)
Nine is what the querant needs to change
about/ within herself: Queen of
Wands
(She needs to be more socially
assertive.)
Ten is what the querant needs to deal
with her S.O. and change the
relationship: Nine of cups
(Let him
know that he makes her happy)
I hope this covers it. Let me
know!
Suzanne
COMMENTARY
From: Carissa
INDRA~
The querant told me that she was in
tears by the end of reading your
interpretation. Wow, you hit many a
nail right on the head.
ALL READERS~
This is really amazing. Every reading
so far has been quite accurate, but NO
ONE has come up with the same
interpretation. Each reader has touched
on a new point, something that no one
else mentioned. A new angle and way of
looking at things, but still correct.
Wow! Shows you how intuitive reading
tarot can be, but that the cards will
always lead you in the rigth direction
no matter who interprets them. Thank you
to all the readers!!!!
Blessings,
Carissa
FEEDBACK FROM THE QUERANT
From:Carissa
MM my dears! This is a message from the
querant regarding all these readings. To
protect the querants privacy, all her
feedback is sent to me and I pass it on
to the list. That way I am the only one
who knows who the querant is. AND I'M
NEVER TALKING EITHER! To those who are
considering being a victim to the list,
that is important to know. The querant
has placed her comments after those of
the reader, marked off by (( .....))
Thank you to the readers!
Armande
Most of these emotions take place
inside. The outward world does not get
to see that, they see the confindent
side and think Q. is also on top of her
emotional issues.
((This is true.
I've always been this way. The "me" the
world sees is not necessarily the "me"
inside))
I get the impression
that the relationship is more important
to Q. than it is to S.O. He is a bit
ambivalent about it. Q. feels insecure
about this: "should I stay or should I
go?". Still all of this going on inside
Q.
(( This is also true. At least,
this is the impression I get from
him))
The advice for Q. is to
take a firm stand re this relationship,
open your mouth. Let go of your ideas of
formality and conventionality and trust
yourself. You are stronger than you
think and do not be
submissive.
((I don't think of
myself as submissive. However, he was
born & raised in the heart of the south
where girls are taught at a very young
age that their place is in the home. I
was born & raised in Calif with a VERY
different attitude!))
You have a
lot of power re other aspects of your
life and you can have it in your
relationship too
((This gives me
a lot to think about. I'm not sure what
I want in this relationship))
Tracy:
There are issues which need dealing
with... things which need to be brought
to the surface...
((Yes, he's an
alcoholic & hides his feelings in a beer
can)).
the querant feels
confused and can't make sense of things
troubling her.
((I don't
understand why he can't express
affection. I need that.))
This
card could also indicate that the
romance is being "hidden", or I get the
feeling that the true feelings of the
querant are being stifled..
((I
feel like I'm walking on eggshells
around him all the time))
The
relationship had a good start... good
times, parties, food and wine.... :)
((Exactly. What
happpened??))
The querant has
avoided making an emotional commitment.
Like, when you get hurt in the past,
then any other relationship suffer
because you are scared to devote
yourself to it. So each word and action
is careful weighed and balanced, things
are "fair" - very "intellectual
based".
((Boy, you hit that nail
right on the head. I'm afraid to let go
& really love someone because all my
other boyfriends died while I was with
them. After this happens ten or so
times, you start to get wary about
loving someone, just in case it IS your
love that is killing them!!))
S.O. has been caring and sharing, and
giving his equal share. Giving what is
necessary.
((He used to. He still
does financially. He's just withdrawn
emotionally))
Other people see
this relationship as two opposites
moving in the same direction. Fast,
furious and fun,
((????????? I
don't know if other people see it this
way or not))
The querant is
taking the relationship very
seriously... probably wanting a
commitment.... even marriage... doing
things morally "correct"
((That's
just the kind of person I am.. except, I
want the commitment, not the marriage.
Been there!))
I feel that he
would like things to be more
emotional.... like he offers love, but
the querant, being like the king of
swords, is quite detached from the
emotional aspect of the relationship.
(It could be the other way round of
course)
((I want & need him to
offer love, but he hasn't said "I love
you" in over a year!))
She needs
to relax more... she needs to stop
defending herself, watching and waiting,
expecting things to go
wrong.
((And stop walking on
eggshells around him? He gets mean when
he gets drunk, but I'll try))
She
needs to realize that she has great
capacity to have warmth and love,
domestic bliss and great happiness. She
has a fountain of energy inside her,
confidence, if only she taps into
it.
((Again, I can try to do this,
but it would be easier if I knew how to
tap into that fountain!))
She
got what she wished for.
((So
true.))
I think there is a
slight warning not to become
complacent... just because the
relationship was "achieved" doesn't mean
that the work is now over.... you have
to carry on working at it
always
((Thank you for your advice
& the reading!!))
Suzanne Levinson:
The Moon deals with emotional currents
and Women in general. This is the heart
of the situation --- what the Woman
wants to know about the emotional
content of her
realtionship.
((Very
true))
She met this man while
socializing with friends. The two
started out as two members of a larger
social group.
((Sort of. I was a
bartender & he was one of my customers.
Know what you get when you pick a man up
in a bar & take him home with you?..An
alcoholic that knows where you
live!))
She has always let the man make
decisions in her
relationships.
((Up to a
point.))
I suspect she may have
met the man at work, in a day-to-day
job.
((Bingo!))
If the Chariot is right side up, it
means that others approve of the
relationship. If it is upside down., it
means that others find it too wild and
unconventional.
((Depends on who
the "others" are. My friends tell me to
leave him. Most of his friends tell him
to leave me. A few of our mutual friends
tell us to stick together because we
were made for each other))
She sees that it could lead to
marriage.
((Commitment, maybe.
Never
marriage. Not again!!))
He sees it as a happy living situation,
with a possible future.
((If he
does, he doesn't show it!!))
She needs to start hanging out more with
couples and other mixed groups, with the
man.
((We have "my" friends, most
of whom won't even come to my house if
he's here. We have "his" friends who
tell him I'm a conniving bitch, then we
have "our" friends who say I"m the best
thing that ever happened to him & vice
versa))
She needs to be more socially
assertive.
((I see myself as being
assertive))
Let him know that he
makes her happy
((Good thought. I
honestly don't know if he knows that.
He's accusing me of having an
affair))
Kat:
Querent is confused, she doesn't know
what to do or where to turn.
((How
true!!)
Q has been having a good time with her
SO.
((Used to!!))
Q is
letting her head rule her
heart.
(( I don't know about this.
I want affection!))
Q's SO has been very giving in their
relationship.
((Used to
be.))
Friends think Q needs to
take control of the situation and stop
being so passive.
((A LOT of my
friends are telling me to leave the
guy))
Q is taking a very
traditional view on the
relationship.
((I guess so. I
don't want to get married, but I believe
in committment))
SO doesn't see
what is being offered to
him.
((This is true!!))
Be
patient. Don't act
hastily.
((Hmmm...))
Show
your feelings, be more open.
((I
am afraid to actually let go & love
someone because all my others are dead
now))
You may think you have
everything you want, but don't be
complacent. Act, don't react.
((I
don't have evrything I want. Maybe
materially. I want affection!!))
Additional information: There were 3
majors, 3 cups, and 2 rods telling me
that this is a wisdom gathering time
involving emotions and the intellect.
The number 4 occured times and 9
appeared twice. These numbers could have
possible meaning to the
Querent.
((My SO & I both have
number 9 birth numbers. I've been with
him almost 4 years. 4 years in
Oct))
"Indra":
A relationship passes though many
different phases. First there's the
phase when you fall in love. Everything
is sunshine, pink clouds and perfect
love. When this period ends comes the
phase (maybe combined with a crisis)
where you either move in to real LOVE or
separate. I get the feeling that this is
where this relationship stands at the
moment.
((You are SO
right!!))
3 OF CUPS shows the happy "fall in
love"- phase. When everything were just
perfect for this
couple.
((Yep!!))
THE MOON on the other hand shows upset
emotions and the fact that Q is going
through a time of changes. Maybe the
relationship has stagnated? Q asks
herself where the relationship is going.
The troubles are more on the emotional,
subconscious levels and Q should be
aware that things are not always the way
they seems to be. They could be better
(the ghost you see in the moonlight can
be just an ordinary thing when the
sunshine arrives) or worse (the moon
gives a silvery shinning to the things
that may look ugly in
sunlight.)
((The troubles are
because he wants a good little southern
wife who cooks & cleans all day. I am a
heavy equipment operator at a sawmill!!
He hasn't said I love you in over a
year. His idea of love is to give money.
My idea of love is to give
affection))
As I see this Q is a
powerful person KING OF SWORDS with
strong integrity. But perhaps she's a
bit afraid of showing her feelings.
Maybe because of a bad relationship in
the past? I feel that she kept a certain
distant to her S.O because of this. She
put up a limit in her heart (and maybe
life) "You're only allowed this
far".
((You are right. I did this
without realizing it. All my other
boyfriends have died & I thought my love
killed people))
Q is also that
kind of woman that doesn't want to be
dominated by a man. She's too strong to
be obedient.
((Right
ON!!!!!!))
The S.O on the other hand 6 OF PENTACLES
is a person that's not afraid of showing
his feelings. He's literally poured love
over Q and has been very generous and
warm. Maybe to a point were Q felt
overwhelmed and inferior.
((He
has given freely of his money, but not
his affection. He's an alcoholic. Maybe
he can't))
Their friends sees this as a high speed
relationship. THE CHARIOT But where are
they speeding? It wouldn't surprise me
if some people see them as "the perfect
couple" that are moving with high speed
to a mutual goal. But I think that the
persons that knows them better rather
feel that they are heading for the end.
They might ask them to slow down a bit?
Why this rush?
((A lot of my
friends & his are saying to leave . We
both have our own Harleys. We have a lot
in common, as far as a love of that
lifestyle))
Q takes this situation seriously THE
HIEROPHANT. I get the feeling that she's
afraid of being dominated and oppressed
by her S.O. And she feels like he wants
her to obey him.
((YES!!))
The S.O. on the other hand has started
to despair. 4 OF CUPS Perhaps he's
losing interest in Q or maybe he doesn't
feel loved enough since Q have been
afraid to show her feelings. For some
reason he doesn't see what he's got/gets
and he's maybe started to doubt what he
wants. *sigh* The S.O is well aware of
the situation but since he doesn't know
what he wants or what to do about it he
pretends that he doesn't see
it.
(( This has made me sit down &
think. He's mad at me right now, but as
soon as I can talk to him, I'll try to
get him to talk to me & tell me what
he's feeling))
9 OF RODS tells Q that it's time to
start acting, to sort out the problem.
She is a powerful person and she's got
all the extra energy it takes to sort
things out to the best even though it
might need a lot of work. She's well
capable to defend herself and her
opinions if that's
needed.
((Yep))
QUEEN OF
RODS shows that Q is a really warm and
loving person if she just dares to be.
She's full of creativity and energy.
Love yourself Q! You're really worth it!
This card also speaks about resolution.
It's time for Q to look inside herself
to find the answer to what to do about
this situation. Q needs to work with
realizing that she truly is a queen and
that she's worth loving and to dare to
love, both her self and
others.
((I started crying at this
point))
9 OF CUPS also speaks
about how important it is to love
yourself. It's first when you do this
that you're able to give to others.
There are a lot of warmth and generosity
to give of. This cards also speaks about
emotional security. Does Q get emotional
security from her S.O?
((Financial
security, yes. Emotional security? This
is what I want most of all. I'm secure
in the fact that he would never go out
on me. But, I want him to say I love
you. I want him to casually hold my hand
or brush my leg. I want a kiss when he
leaves for work....I want to feel
loved))
Or will she give
emotional security to him when she dares
to show him what she feels? One thing is
absolutely sure, Q will experience
emotional security when she dares to
love herself
((Thank you,
Indra))