GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 03:28 PM ET (US)
Ok, I guess Evil-Lyn won't beat Mary Poppins. Mary's just to happy to bring down.
What about Mary Poppins vs. Shadow Weaver???
Shadow Weaver posted 02-26-2001 03:36 PM ET (US)
Please that nanny who like to fly kites against the Mistress of Dark Magic.
One one blast of Shadow Weaver's magic and Mary Poppins would be gone.Either that or her Shadow Coils would get her.
GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 04:00 PM ET (US)
Ahh, but Shadows and smoke don't really affect Ms. Poppins very much. She turned smokes to stairs in one scene. And she has powers over the wind too. I remember her using her magic to blow the other nanny candidates away in the beggining part of the movie. And she sings very well, I guess that would stop Weaver already! :-)
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Shadow Weaver posted 02-26-2001 04:56 PM ET (US)
GrtEternal....Well possibly but what about one of Shadow Weaver's powerful Green Energy Blasts like in For Want of a Horse.After that you could serve Mary Poppins up in little pieces.
GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 05:03 PM ET (US)
Well, she can open her magic umbrella to deflect it! Using it like a shield! :-)
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Shadow Weaver posted 02-26-2001 05:56 PM ET (US)
Ok...Am I sensing that you are a Mary Poppins supporter?
Next senario,Shadow Weaver uses the "Ancient Book of Mistic Glow" from Three Cougagous Hearts,uses the "Salistica,Salistico" spell, and banishes Mary Poppins into the other demension.
How about that one?
Lord Skeletor posted 02-26-2001 06:13 PM ET (US)
Or she could simply sing causing Evil-Lyn to collapse and writhe in agony. Mary Poppins singing does the same to me.
GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 08:32 PM ET (US)
Actually, I'm just having fun. Especially with the Mary Poppins scenario.
The one thing I know that Weaver can't defeat Mary Poppins in any way is that, well, Mary Poppins is Perfect! She even have magical, god-like abilities that can warp reality as we know it, and shape it into things she wants. Just because she's a nanny doesn't mean she can't pack a wallop. Just remember what she did with all the other nanny candidates. She can do the same thing with Weaver too. She'll just simply blow her away.
The only reason Weaver was able to used that "Salistico" spell, is because she put everybody to sleep. If she didn't, they can gang up on her and she'll be defeated! If weaver casts the "Salistico" spell, Ms. Poppins will just create a whirlwind that can suck Weaver away and be done with it. Or she'll just sing till Weaver gives up! :-)
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GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 08:47 PM ET (US)
Well, I'm just thinking, what if Mary poppins create a pocket universe with singing penguins and talking foxes and carousels flying around and trap Weaver in it forever. I don't think even Weaver has any spell to counter act this sort of mystical abilities now, does she??? :-)
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Shadow Weaver posted 02-26-2001 08:49 PM ET (US)
This is getting beyond belief...but...I must reply to this.
Firstly,yes you are correct about putting the rebels to sleep so Shadow Weaver could just put Mary Poppins to sleep.
If Mary Poppins created a whirl find then Shadow Weaver would simply use her magic to disappear in her puff of smoke or her ball of flames and then reapear somewhere else.Or she could create a Sorceress Wind of her own like in Of Shadows and Skulls.
The singing could be a problem but it would go the same way as what happened to Mantenna in A Loss for Words
"Come darkness,Come trouble,put her voice into my bubble"
I'm picturing the scene
Hordak: "Louder Mary Poppins,I can't here you"
GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 09:13 PM ET (US)
Aaahh, but the thing with Weaver is, to used her magic, she needs to concentrate or casts spells. Ms. Poppins never even needed those. She just simply snap her fingers or tap her toes or something.
As for the whirlwind, if you saw the scene where all the nannies were being scattered around, you can tell, it's one big whirlwind. So Weaver can't just teleport anywhere, nor even have enough time to cast her spells. She needs her arms free and to speak her words loud and clearly, which she won't be able to, if she's busy holding onto something! :-)
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GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 09:15 PM ET (US)
Oh, and just to point out. Weaver's Sorceress wind is not that strong compared to Ms. Poppins' whirlwind. Ms.Poppins literally blew everyone out of town!
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Shadow Weaver posted 02-26-2001 09:21 PM ET (US)
Hmmmm.....Shadow Weaver would have The Moon Mirror with her from the episode He Ain't Heavy which when the moons are aligned acts as a bridge between worlds.She would wait for the moons to be aligned and transport herself.
I must say though I liked those singing Penguins!
GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 09:29 PM ET (US)
Yeah me too. They're cute!
As for the moons being aligned first, I don't hink she has enough time to wait for that if Ms. Poppins is ready and rarin' to go! Besides, as I said before, Ms. Poppins can create pocket universes to mold it in any way she pleases. She can trap Weaver in it and only Ms. Poppins can get her out! :-)
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Shadow Weaver posted 02-26-2001 09:43 PM ET (US)
Well,I gonna go totally of track here as I think that you are a Thundercats fan.Well maybe Shadow Weaver would be lucky and in a couple of days or so,the moons would be aligned.
But if not (Here comes the cross over) The Ancient Spirits of Evil help her and TRANSFORM THIS DECAYED FORM....ooops,went a little of track there,but they help her an Mum-ra returns her to Etheria!
But come on surely Shadow Weaver's magic if more powerful if Mary Poppins ins't quick enough to create a universe?
GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 09:55 PM ET (US)
Hey that's cheating!!! No allies! just Weaver and Poppins!
Besides, if you take Mumm-ra, Poppins will go with The Sorceress of GraySkull! And Lion-o, He-man, She-ra, Castaspella, Jaga, Mummra-na, Queen Angella, hey, even The Shaman from BraveStarr. I'd even let her take Mara from BlackStar too! :-) How's them allies?!?!
But as for the pocket universes, she simply tapped her umbrella to the ground, or was it a cane, something like that and the whole pocket universe was formed!
As for being a Thundercats fan, yeah, I like TC, but He-man and She-ra were foremost my most faves of all time! I just love them twins! :-)
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GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 09:59 PM ET (US)
Oh, one more thing too. I don't think Mumm-Ra will help Weaver at all, unless he has his own agenda. Besides, didn't Weaver learned any lesson yet about forming alliances with beings more evil than she is??? Skeletor comes to mind with those alliances gone sour.
You know, this topic is giving me an urge to take a vacation
again to Florida. And if I do go, I'll look for Ms. Poppins and
asked her myself if she will win against Evil-Lyn or Shadow
Weaver! I betcha' that person will be suprised!! :-)
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Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 02-26-2001 10:03 PM ET (US)
Shadow Weaver vs. Mary Poppins... hm!
How about she strangles her to death with shadow coils? Or tries mind-control? Or, or... or what if she casts a spell on Mary Poppin's umbrella causing it to fly right through Ms. Poppin's! Lotsa blood, lotsa guts... lovely!
~Suz
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GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 10:18 PM ET (US)
Oh Suz! I'm just having fun here! I was wondering when you're gonna show up! Well anyway, to answer your questions...
Again Shadow coils vs. Ms. Poppins tornado??? Hmmm... Nuff' said.
Spell on Ms. Poppins umbrella??? Most unlikely, since the umbrella is magical too, and has a mind of it's own. And only Mary can control it. It's like Weaver trying to control the Sword of Protection. Never happened!
Bloods and guts??? Won't work either. Ms. Poppins is perfect in any way. She's a goddess! 'Nuff said on this one too. :-)
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GrtEternal posted 02-26-2001 10:22 PM ET (US)
I'm gonna go to sleep now! I'll see you guys tomorrow. In the meantime, talk amongst yourselves!
Good Journey! :-)
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Shadow Weaver posted 02-26-2001 10:26 PM ET (US)
Well...I bet you that that peson will give you a slap round the ear and say what the hell are you talking about.We must educate people in thse fields....right?
But Shadow Weaver is as evil as Skeletor.He only tricked her,he didn't prove that he had superior magic or that he is more evil
Ok then I'll take Grizzlor and Jackleman...eh...well mibby not.
Right I'll take Mongor,Captain Shiner and Ratar-o.
Well you are right,if you put Jaga in with Mary Poppins then they probebly could win with some help from the others you mentioned.
But Shadow Weaver and Mary Poppins alone Shadow Weaver would win.
Also....to get Shadow Weaver out of the universe how about using this little formula from the Thundercats episode The Doomgaze
"A Berbils tear,a Cheetahs hair,a Unicorns shoe and a hero to replace them there in the demension.
Well it nearly worked for Princess Ta-She.
Shadow Weaver posted 02-26-2001 10:36 PM ET (US)
If Shadow Weaver had had the sword for longer,she possibly could have discovered it's secrets.
Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 02-26-2001 10:36 PM ET (US)
*going insane* Um, OK OK, Shadow Weaver... goes back to Horror Hall, whips up a doll of Mary Poppins and casts a spell of shrining on it! Like a voodoo thing! Heh heh.
~Suz
(See ya in the morning, GrtEternal!)
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howdy207 posted 02-27-2001 09:37 AM ET (US)
Shadow Reavers
magic is too weak, Mary Poppins is perfect in every way, she's a
god. Weaver's magic wouldn't affect her. Poopins would probably
make the doll dance and sing right in front of Weaver just to
taunt her.
laters
Shadow Weaver posted 02-27-2001 01:08 PM ET (US)
I think that I had one to many MARTINI'S last night when I was takling about this.
Well Shadow Weaver creating a doll is a good idea.But still to contemplate that a over rated nanny is perfect and unbeatable with superior magic is nonsense
GrtEternal posted 02-27-2001 02:06 PM ET (US)
Hello people! I'm BACK!!! :-) Now to get started:
About Weaver and a doll. Weaver never uses a doll. She did made a model of BrightMoon, but she can only use it when the moons were eclipsed. And if she did make a doll, as Howdy207 said, Ms. Poppins can only make it dance around with a snap!
As for the swords, she can't even touch them when she uses magic on it.
As for Skeletor and Weaver, it shows that Skeletor is more evil and trickier than Weaver. If Weaver is as evil as she said she is, she shouldn't have trusted him in the first place. She is not paranoid, therefore she trusted Skeletor. Big Mistake on her part!
As for the pocket universe and DoomGaze TC episode, how can Weaver get all those ingredients if she's trapped within that universe, and if she can make contact with anyone outside of the said universe, which is higly unlikely, why would anyone helped her if they know she's trapped and can't get out??? Hmmm....! :-)
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Shadow Weaver posted 02-27-2001 03:32 PM ET (US)
Hi again!
Well Skeletor may be trickier than Shadow Weaver but not more evil.This shows he is more tricky but not that he is more evil.
On the "Why help Weaver bit" in the Thundercats episode The Doomgaze Mum-ra helped Ta-She escape from the demension in return for her Doomgaze power to try and defeat The Thundercats so possibly somebody would want to use Shadow Weaver's magic to combine with their own and help her escape the universe.
What ever the case Mary Poppins is over rated
I say "Come on you singing penguins"
GrtEternal posted 02-27-2001 07:10 PM ET (US)
But who would want Weavers magic??? She lost in battle with both Norwyn and Castaspella. Not to mention Madame Razz! And she didn't really suceed in obtaining Bright Moon either.
Why would anyone want Weavers magic when it's not even really hers??? The Horde gave it to her, and she didn't even get the full power of it either. So if you want Weavers magic, go to the Horde. They're the source of her powers! Not her. She's just a Horde servant! So, I don't really see anyone bothering to rescue her. Unless it's Hordak, but then, he hates magic. So who???
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Shadow Weaver posted 02-27-2001 07:30 PM ET (US)
Oh you are really starting to...eh...better not elaborate huh.JK
Right,in the end She-ra and He-man were childrens cartoons.Filmation couldn't have The Horde going about always beating the Rebellion.These wre horriblr morals that they had to put in.
Picture the scene *Mummy,Mummy...why has a bolt of Shadow Weaver's magic just blown glimmers head off etc.etc.
That just ain't gonna happen.But come on,Shadow Weaver without Filmation's morals would beat Norwyn,Castaspella and Madame Razz.I accept that she wouldn't be able to beat She-ra own her own or at all even with the Horde etc.She isn't called The most powerful woman in the universe for nothing.But hese other characters Shadow Weaver would defeat
Now,The Horde may have given her The Power Gem but Light Spinner was alredy a sorceress before that.You don't just become a powerful Sorceress in one mintue.Shadow Weaver may have gained some power through The Gem but it is years of training that have brought her her spells and if she left The Horde she would still have a lot of power because most of her power is her own.She is not a servant to The Horde,she has enough power to go it alone.Most of her power is her own.
Oh also,Bright Moon as you know was conquered by The Horde and I wonder who played a key role in defeating Angella,a certain Mistress of Dark Magic.Bright Moon would have fallen to The Horde again if it wasn't for She-ra finding The Crystal Castle.The Rebellion are nothing without Filmations morals and She-ra.Take She-ra out of The Rebellion and they are finished.
GrtEternal posted 02-27-2001 08:05 PM ET (US)
Actually, Shadow Weaver or Light Spinner as she was called back then, was NOT a full pledge Sorceress. She's just an apprentice, just like Castaspella (My beloved!). She was still learning but she got power mad! She betrayed the Council of Kings so that she can gain her powers quickly, so for the record, she did became a powerful sorceress in just a minute.
And it's true that without She-ra, Weaver would have conquered Bright Moon. I agree with that part. Or maybe because the last time she did conquered Bright Moon, Angella was kidnapped by Hunga, so she wasn't there to protect it.
As for Weaver still keeping her powers if she leaves the Horde, DOUBT IT! As Hordak did say, as I qoute! "The Horde gave you these powers. The Horde can take it away!" So, with the deal she made to the Horde, she's forever bound to serve them till the rest of her life, immortal or otherwise!
As for beating Norwyn or Castaspella, I highly doubt that one too. Norwyn's powers alone are beyond her reach. Castaspella, maybe, but they're too evenly matched. I think Weaver is just simply gettin way over her head! Being power hungry can do that to you, you know? :-)
One more thing, If you take She-ra out of the Rebellion, then there would be no show! Which means, no Weaver either! :-)
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Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 02-27-2001 08:51 PM ET (US)
"So, I don't really see anyone bothering to rescue her. Unless it's Hordak, but then, he hates magic. So who???"
ME!!!! ^_^
Well, looks like you guys have got a good Weaver thread goiing! *thumbs up!*
I like what Shadow Weaver said (the one on the Board!) about her being a slave to Filmation's morals! You hit the nail right on the head!
Now, about her being allowed to leave the Horde with powers intact, I agree when you say NO, GrtEternal! It's indeed unfortunate, but it's the reality of the situation. What I want to know is do you think Hordak would just let her go after taking her magics? But that's another topic altogether.
Now, without
Filmations morals in place, I reckon Shadow Weaver would have a
good chance of defeating Castaspella. And also without their
animation- I mean, look at these episode-changing factors that
were a fluke 'cos of slow animation-
*Shadow Weaver's betrayl by Skeletor. She has a good ten seconds
to get out of that cage!
*Teddy Bear scene with Castaspella. Weaver saw the bear coming,
she could've just gotten out of the way or blowen it to bits!
See, all problems with animation and morals. And Norwyn... I think we got let down with that bit in 'The Price of Power'. All she said was that she wasn't ready yet. She MIGHT be able to defeat him given time.
~Suz- who has just given up against arguing about Mary Poppins!
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GrtEternal posted 02-27-2001 09:10 PM ET (US)
Hi again, Suz!
Now for the part where Weaver said, "She wasn't ready yet!", Why did she even bother challenging Norwyn in the first place, if she knows she wasn't ready. Maybe she found out, after all her plannings and training in the ways of dark magic, her powers will never equal to her teacher in any way. She should have thought of that before taking that kid away from Norwyn.
As for the Teddy Bear, I guess Weaver has a bad experience with them when she was a child. It frozed her in fear when she saw it approaching! She must be suffering from a TeddyBearyphobia syndrome! :-)
One tiny little note, just to add.
What I think would Hordak do, If he takes Weavers powers away???
Well, he's probably throw her in a dungeon or send her to the slave pits of Mandor. Hordak is good that way. And if Hordak takes her powers away, then' she'll be useless to him and the Horde! So it's a safe bet, she'll end up being in a dungeon or the slave mines. Maybe he'd even sent her back to Horde World to clean garbage dumpsters with very tiny toothbrushes! :-)
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Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 02-27-2001 09:47 PM ET (US)
Hm, good point with the Weaver versus Norwyn thing, in the sense that why did she go after him if she wasn't ready? When people first said this episode wasn't one of the best I didn't know why, but after I realised all the continuity flaws and mistakes, well, that's a different situation altogether. Still love it, though! Poor Shadow Weaver- her best background ep and it has so many flaws! Yet another way Filmation give her the bad stuff!
TeddyBearyphobia- so THAT explains it! I guess she has 'I've got ages to get out of this cage Skeletor put me in, but I really can't be bothered' syndrome, too!
Yeah, that's what I was thinking with the 'after Hordak takes away her powers'. Gives me the shivers! Though it would make an intresting fic or somethin'.
*sigh* I guess in Weaver's case, life's a witch!
~Suz
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flutterina posted 02-28-2001 12:51 AM ET (US)
Hi,
I just had to reply to this! I can't believe what I'd just read. I must say, that was the strangest yet most entertaining topics I've ever seen
It blows my mind how creative you people are; I'm envious! Take care, and thanks for the excellent reading material
Batros posted 02-28-2001 02:45 AM ET (US)
I have to say that this is one of the most entertaining and different threads I've seen on the forum. However, there is one person who could win a magical fight with all the magical people from MOTU and Mary Poppins. The incrdibly annoying British magician Paul Daniels! He'd either bore them all to death, come up with a card trick to see them off or create a "magical happening" to defeat them all. The balding magician would prove to be a tough foe indeed and might even bring Wizbit along to help him, heaven help us all! Of course it would be nice to see Shadow Weaver defeat him, but th annoying man may well sadly lay waste to all before him.
Shadow Weaver posted 02-28-2001 05:48 AM ET (US)
Hmmm...when I have like a spare 6 hours I will reply to this topic!!!
howdy207 posted 02-28-2001 06:41 AM ET (US)
Damn, I wish I
seen the She-Ra episodes so I can join the argument. I only
remember the He-Man and She-Ra movie, but I really never liked
Shadow Weaver's character, she seemed like a second rate witch.
Just kidding, I know some people here are really obsessed with
her, I don't have the slightest clue why, but they are.
But I really need to see those episodes. I'll have to eventually
get those.
But I still think Poppins would whoop her butt big time.
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