Shadow Weaver posted 02-28-2001 01:54 PM ET (US)

GrtEternal: I know Light Spinner wasn't a fully pleged Sorceress but she was still powerful!

Shadow Weaver didn't learn all her spells and becom really powerful just with that Gem so when you say she became REALLY powerful in one minute,just for the record,SHE DIDN'T.Years of training are involved!!!Yes her power increased but not to the level it is at now.

Also Hunga I don't think captured Angella.I think The Horde gave her to Hunga to keep prisoner!

How many times do I have to say this...Shadow Weaver is noyt a slave to The Horde.She would have most of her powers if she left The Horde,her spells etc.etc.

The great Larry Ditillo on the equally great Suzanne's page says that in the end he thinks that Shadow Weaver would have been instrumental in the defeat of Hordak.This proves she isn't a slave to The Horde and that she could break free if she wanted.

Also,I take it you agree that if you take She-ra awy from the rebellion then they are nothing.

Of course you could do the show without She-ra.It would just mean that The Horde won most of the time and that the rebellion would have to try even harder and not reley on She-ra to always save them.

Also,without Filmations morals,Shadow Weaver would cream Castaspella.Come on,bats into butterflys,that is like sooooo 60's!!!Castaspella's power is weak without the morals.

About Norwyn though I would like to see Shadow Weaver against Norwyn without Filmation's morals.

People.....HORDAK WOULDN'T DARE TAKE AWAY SHADOW WEAVER'S POWERS.He even knows that she is more intelligent than him...see the episode Flowers for Hordak for this.She came up with most of the great ideas and Hordak is too much of a dolt to go without Shadow Weaver for too long.Even if he did as I said she would still have great power.

Then,if what Mr Larry Ditillo said came true,Shadow Weaver would send Hordak to The Mines of Mondor or back to Horde World with his tail between his legs.

On that great note I will end and say.

"Come on you singing penguins"

Later

GrtEternal posted 02-28-2001 03:19 PM ET (US)

Years of training??? With Weaver??? She looks like she's in her teens when she betrayed Etheria and as for her being powerful before the Horde. THAT NEVER HAPPENED! She was an apprentice. She's still learning her magic from Norwyn at that time. She got power hungry so when the Horde came and offered her power in exchanged for the Council of Kings, she took it. She didn't learn everything from Norwyn, because she cheated! She got her powers by selling her soul! Of course nowadays, she might have learn to handle her stuff, but she is still no way as powerful as Norwyn. She still has a long, and I do mean looooooooooooong way to go, to be equaled to Norwyn. As for Castaspella's magic, it shows that she was merely playing with her. She's just taunting her, teasing her, because Casta knows she can beat her! Weaver didn't even stand a chance to either one of them. She's just all bravado, threatning with empty promises! Then she goes running away saying, "I'm not ready yet! I'm not ready yet!" Like, when will she ever be??? Her powers dissolved in the pressence of Norwyn's magic. Castaspella merely just changed everything she makes into something cute and cuddly! So all in all, Weaver is not as powerful as she say she is! She's just puffing smoke, well in her case, shadows! :-)

As for Hordak not dare to throw her away?!? Like Ya! He'll get rid of her as soon as her uses are over. Hordak is evil, and just like all evil beings, they used people to get there needs met. As of now, Weaver is still useful, and she's showing it. Wait till her uses are over and the Horde decides that the power they "lend" her is no longer appreciated! They'll take her powers back in an instant and Byebye Weaver! Off to the prison mines with you!

Besides, logically speaking, I don't think the Horde will give enough power to anyone that serves them when they have a hunch that this person will betray them when the time comes. Weaver betrayed Etheria, and the Horde knows this. So, if they're giving her powers, it will be enough only so that she can serve them, but not enough to try and take control over them! You know what I mean??? Evil don't trust each other! I guess this is why most evil servants are dumb and stupid. It kinda makes sensed though, doesn't it???

And as for Larry DiTillo, it sounds like he's just guessing anyway! :-)

Just to add something, Hordak is not The Horde! He too serves The Horde. Horde Prime is Horde, and I bet if Weaver did try to take over HordeWorld, she won't even stand a chance against the full Force of the Horde. Laters! :-)

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Shadow Weaver posted 02-28-2001 07:37 PM ET (US)

*Pours himself another strong liquid refreshment,with emphasis on the STRONG part*

I don't need a lesson in in the She-ra show history.I have see The Price of Power like a million times!!!The simple fact is that Shadow Weaver would have beaten Castaspella for sure if it wasn't for Filmations morals!!!

Shadow Weaver without the morals would cream Castaspella!!!

Please....Weaver is the brains of The Horde on Etheria,she and Catra.Hordak is a dolt and he wouldn't risk letting Shadow Weaver go!!!I've told you before the power The Horde gave to her is a small part of her power she still has lots of spells to repel any attack and as for "off to the prision mines with you" For one she would still be powerful and for two Horde Prime would have more sense as even he knows Hordak is a dolt!!!

I agree with you about evil not trusting evil,I suppose you simply couldn't afford to.You are a Thundercats fan and I take it you have seen Jackleman's rebellion.That is a perfect example of it.Yes a lot of evil characters in She-ra were dolts Hordak included but characters like Shadow Weaver,Catra and Entrapa etc.weren't.

Also,Shadow Weaver isn't crazy enough to try and take over the whole Horde Empire and Horde Prime.Horde Prime is the ruler of Horde World and both Shadow Weaver and Hordak know that.I love For Want of a Horse and Hordak being put down the trap door by Horde Prime!!!But on Etheria Shadow Weaver could and would have made herself ruler.

How can Larry Ditillo be guessing.He knows more about the character than anyone as Shadow Weaver is one of his characters.Larry Ditillo is one of if not the main writer on She-ra and if he says that Shadow Weaver would have probebly eventualy led to the downfall of Hordak,who are we to question it.

Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 02-28-2001 10:27 PM ET (US)

Hey again, homo sapiens!

Well, first thing I'm going to discuss is the whole 'Shadow Weaver is a slave to the Horde' thing. Personally, I do agree with this one. I mean, Hordak has shown his authority over her numerous times, and if she stuffs up, he can take away her powers. Sure she'd be left with some, but she seems to prefer having all the magics she has now. Sure Weaver is an important addition to the Horde, but I still don't think that this would stop Hordak taking away her powers if she rebelled. So her powers seems to be pretty much what keeps her in the Horde (though I do have other theories of my own, but we'll stick with what we know for now!).

Now what else have we got here... ah yes, Light Spinner and her capabilities! Always a fun topic, kiddies! Now, we always tend to call her a second-rate sorceress, right? Hordak said that in 'A Loss for Words', but I don't know how accurate he was. You know how harsh he likes to be. Norwyn said that Spinner was a PASSABLE sorceress in Price of Power, so maybe her capabilities wern't the best, but they were still enough for him to say she was, well, passable! So maybe she wasn't as bad as ya think.

Now, with Castaspella, I honestly do think she and Weaver are pretty much equal. Don't forget Weaver was toying with HER to start off with! That teddy bear was a fluke of morals- she could've done so much to it, but she just stood there. There's that phobia again, eh GrtEternal?

As for Norwyn, I don't know WHAT Filmation had been drinking the night before they wrote that one! Don't get me wrong, I love that episode to peices, but all the 'I'm not ready yet'? Pin it on Filmation, not Weaver! ^_^!

I also agree that Larry DiTillio wasn't guessing. I reckon he'd know about this kinda thing!

~Suz

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Shadow Weaver posted 02-28-2001 11:07 PM ET (US)

Hi Suz..

Hmmm well I agree with somebody...which in this perticular topic is getting rarer and rarer!!!

Good stuff about Norwyn...It isn't Shadow Weaver's fault that the intended audience for She-ra couldn't be shown The Horde crushing the rebellion all of the time.JMS is a great writer but Weaver would have retaliated if it wasn't for Filmations morals.

But I still don't think that Shadow Weaver is a slave to the Horde.

1 Hordak knows that he needs Shadow Weaver as she is the most competent member of The Horde.

2 Shadow Weaver,I think,would still be really powerful even without The Horde's magic.After all you don't learn thousnads of spells etc. etc. to just forget them really quickly again

3 Finally,THE MAN,Larry Ditillo speaks about Shadow Weaver as the future ruler Etheria after helping to defeat Hordak.YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH GENUIS.

Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 02-28-2001 11:22 PM ET (US)

Hey there, SW!

Okey doky- first off, great stuff regarding the morals! Secondly, about Hordak not doing anything to Shadow Weaver because he needs her and she is the most competant. That's all well and good, but really, if she were to really p!$$ him off, do you think he'd stand for it? Sure she's smart and powerful, but he could always find a replacment. I really do think that, if given the right circumstances, he would take away her power and do... whatever afterwards!

~Suz

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Shadow Weaver posted 03-01-2001 01:05 PM ET (US)

But Suz...who would be the replacement.I can't see anyone competent enough in The Horde apart from Catra and she it too bust with her Force Squad.Scorpia is quite intelligent but she could never be a great Sorceress....especially after The Anxious Apprentice.

I still think that Hordak's army would be very weak without Shadow Weaver.

GrtEternal posted 03-01-2001 03:09 PM ET (US)

Hey now, Weaver fans! Don't get your robes in a tangle! Now to post back!

Shadow Weaver:
First of all, I like TC, but I'm not as a big fan as I am in MOTU/POP! MOTU/POP is #1 in my list. After all, I have all the episodes on tape and all the action figures! Complete and mint! (Bragging!)

As for Shadow Weaver, she maybe smart and she does come up with good suggestions, but that is why The Horde is keeping her. I bet if she decide to rebel against Hordak, she'll be replaced and her powers will be ripped from her, then she'll be off to the slave mines without a second thought! Bye again Weaver!

As for who will replaced her??? Hordak or Horde Prime will find someone. They don't even need to be a witch. They just need to be smart! Besides, if they want a sorceress in thier staff, they can find one. Weaver is not the only sorceress in the whole Etheria, you know? Who knows, they might even give Scorpia the powers. She did touch magic once, even if she messed it up big time.

As for Weaver learning a thousand spells, she did learn them, that I'm sure off. But without The Horde's power gem to back up the spells she's casting, she'll just end up as another Madame Razz. As Norwyn did say, she's passable as a sorceress, but then so is Razz!

As for L. DiTillo, he did say the word "probably", which also means could be, might be, and maybe! Sounds like guessing to me! Besides, I think Filmation asks him to design the character, not give life to it. And all the episodes concerning Weaver's history seems to point that she can't leave the Horde at all, and Hordak has powers over her. Yup, Weaver's hands are tied with chains named "Horde Slave Forever!"

As for Weaver being ruler of Etheria, somehow, I just don't see that happening. She's powerful, but not powerful enough. There are so many beings in Etheria that can overthrow her in an instant and I don't think that Hordak, nor Horde Prime will stand for it either. She'll be thrown off her throne in no time flat!

And one more thing! Stop with the Filmation morals already! How can you be so sure that the same morals are not the one protecting Weaver from Norwyn and Casta! Not to mention She-ra! Look at this scenario:

"Mommy,mommy! Why did She-ra just bludgeon Weaver to Death?!?" or "Daddy, why did the old guy rip Weaver to pieces with those bolts?!?" or, what about this one. "Mommy, Daddy! Why did Casta turned Weaver to a roach and just started stomping and cursing on her?!?" Or what about this, "Mommy, Hordak just destroyed Weaver for talking back to him!" See, Filmations morals worked both ways!

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GrtEternal posted 03-01-2001 06:02 PM ET (US)

As for the smart Horde members, Don't forget Octavia! She seems to be smart enough to hold her own!

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GrtEternal posted 03-01-2001 07:23 PM ET (US)

I guess all in all. Mary Poppins wins over Evil-Lyn and Shadow Weaver!

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Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 03-01-2001 10:11 PM ET (US)

So, here we are again!

GrtEternal pretty much summed up what I was thinking about Weaver not being able to leave the Horde in his post, though it does make me phsically ill thinking that she's stuck in the Horde forever. So I don't. I reckon oneday she WILL somehow get out of the Horde... oneday.

I forgot to reply about Shadow Weaver knowing heaps of spells in my other posts, but GrtEternal's right- without the magic to make it happen, spells won't work. Words alone can't do the deed, and I think that's where Light Spinner may have been caught. I read once that she had lots of books, but wasn't able to make use of them due to her lack of magical capabilities.

I WILL NOT LET OFF ABOUT THE MORALS!! Heh heh. OK, OK, *maybe* they're the things protecting Weaver. I still don't think She-Ra/Castaspella/Norwyn would actually KILL her. I mean, even without the morals, do you think they'd actually kill someone? They seem too nice for that. ('nice' is the only word I can think of at this point in time!) And I've got my own theories about what happens behind the scenes, but I guess all that can be classed as is random fictuitous thoughts.

~Suz

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GrtEternal posted 03-02-2001 04:03 AM ET (US)

Random Fiftitious Thoughts!?!?!?! They're real!!! Well, ok, JK!

Anyway, how can you be sure that She-ra, Norwyn or (My Beloved!) Casta won't take life in real world??? It's a war and people die in wars! Also, since there's bad blood between these characters, someone might snapped and take the ultimate task where no one can return! BWAHAHA! Ok, now, I'm getting carried away!

Hey, Maybe behind the scenes they're all buddy-buddy! And all the girls giggle and laugh and talk about boys!

Maybe......

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Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 03-02-2001 04:47 AM ET (US)

O_O!! Oh, OK, phew, for a second there I thought you ment NORWYN your beloved!!

Now, despite their differences, I honestly don't think Castaspella would actually kill Shadow Weaver. Now if I can only explain WHY! (got that whole 'I know what I want to say but I don't know how to say it' thing going here.)

Gawd, I'm gonna hafta think about this... I don't think any of the three you mentioned would kill her because they're GOOD and they tend to stay GOOD. Just 'cos there's no morals don't mean that they'd go around killing their enemies, I don't think.

Ugh, I need sleep...

~Suz

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Shadow Weaver posted 03-02-2001 07:49 AM ET (US)

GrtEternal:Scorpia couldn't be a Sorceress at all.She was awful beyond belief in The Anxious Apprentice.

Shadow Weaver could leave The Horde yes...and again I rattle on that she would still be powerful and she wouldn't end up as a slave at all.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DARE TO OFFEND ONE IF NOT THE GREATEST WRITER OF THE SHE-RA SERIES.GUESSING....HUH....IF LARRY DITILLO DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT SHADOW WEAVER THEN NONE OF US DO.

Castaspell could never beat Shadow Weaver without the morals.

Now your post just starts going mad...Weren't you reading carefully when I mentioned Shadow Weaver would end up as ruler of Etheria.Horde Prime would apoint her so to say he wouldn't stand for it is nonsense and then it would be BYE BYE HORDAK,OFF TO GO TO THE VALLY OF THE LOST.

Also Filmations morals don't work both ways.Do you know what you are talking about...She-ra or Castaspella or znybody else wouldn't use there strenght or Magic to hurt anyone for no good reason.Evil attacks good but godd will sometimes not retaliate as this would make then as bad as the evil in the end.Anyway,that is hipathetical because without Filmations morals she would be able to defeat most of the rebellion apart from She-ra.

Octavia is cool but not up to Shadow Weaver's standard.There is no evil Sorceress on Etheria who could match Shadow Weaver and without the morals there is is no Sorceress apart from Norwyn who could rival her.

Also,Madame Razz is a passable Sorceress but I have told you before Shadow Weaver would keep a lot of her power and she wouldn't be anything like the standard of Madame Razz.

Suz:You may need magic to use spells but even if Shadow Weaver left The Horde she would have magical capabillities.

castaspella posted 03-02-2001 12:21 PM ET (US)

SW: If Castaspella had appeared in as many episodes as Weaver did, do you not think we'd have seen a great deal more of her powers and capabilities? Those we did see were enough to beat Weaver, and based on the amount of knowledge she will have amounted during her years of study under the man who beat Weaver by simply raising his arms, I have little doubt of the outcome.
Heck, I'm only throwing my opinions in. I don't want some mad Weaver v. Casta obsesso-match, but I also agree with GrtEternal that the morals do work both ways. Remove the morals and you bring the characters into the real world, where this thing called reality smacks them hard in the face. O.K, point made that good people don't kill, but they sure as heck don't let evil people do it either if it could be avoided. Let's say She-Ra meets Weaver on the battle field, and Weaver's about to massacre 70 innocent peasants. The ONLY way for SR to save them is by killing Weaver. In the real world I get the feeling that she'd sacrifice one evil life for the sake of 70 good ones.
Also, were Weaver to have her magic taken away, she would be left as the sorceress she was prior to the power gem, perhaps with a little extra learned magic from her studies. But the whole point of The Price of Power was that Weaver got all her power in one night - did not learn the way Norwyn, Arden, Casta, Ariel etc did, so would IMO not be powerful enough to rule in any way. I think a sort of Madame Razz equal would be about the right level, but with a little less magical depth. Surely even with knowledge, the more tricky spells require a certain amount of power to work, which she would be lacking? I don't think she would be a slave however.
there's me anyway.
Take care all,
Casta.

GrtEternal posted 03-02-2001 03:21 PM ET (US)

Castaspella:
You agree with me?!?! YOU LOVE ME DON'T YOU! Oh, Yes you do! I knew you were playing hard to get, My Beloved! Leave Kyrone, and you and I will be happy together!

Suzzane SW fan:
Norwyn is not My beloved! CASTASPELLA is MY BELOVED!

Anyway, back to the topic:

Shadow Weaver:
Scorpia may not be a good sorceress, but with the added powers the Gem gives her, she might be, with the proper training and everything of course!

As for the morals, She-ra, Casta, and even Norwyn will and can harm or take life if the need arises. Remember, "The good of one outweigh the good of many!" If Weaver gets out of hand and start destroying all because she is power mad and everything (which she is!), They will, and I mean THEY WILL take the neccesary move to end her evil once and for all. Just because of Filmations' morals, they're not allowed to do so! See, Filmations' morals do work both ways!

And as for Weaver leaving the Horde with her old powers intact? DOUBT IT! In fact I even doubt that she'll be able to leave the Horde intact! The Horde gave Weaver her powers and they can take it away. In fact, they might even take all of them away, including her former powers. The Horde is evil (as I point out again!) and they want everything they can lay thier hands on.

As a matter of fact, since Weaver did serve the Horde, then she might know some of thier secrets, which means, if she leaves the Horde, they're not gonna let her leave intact. They might either destroy her, or take her powers fully including her old powers and even mess with her mind. I picture her as walking down an Etherian market not knowing who she is and shunned by people because of the way she looks. The Horde can be cruel and they are ruthless. They won't hesitate to do things to thier enemies and as to thier allies, if they know that their allies' services are no longer required!

As for L. DiTillo, I agree he's a great writer, but as you know, writers can changed thier mind and moods, which means the stories can changed too. And besides, he still sounds like he's guessing! And just to point out, Mr. DiTillo works for Filmations at the time, so Filmations tell him what stories to write and how it ends!

As for Weaver being a ruler of Etheria. HELLO! As I stated before, Weaver is pwerful but not as powerful as YOU believed she is! Horde Prime will not, again emphasized on WILL NOT!, let Weaver take control of Etheria. She's poweful and smart, but as I say before, her powers are not fully her own.

And as for Horde Prime giving Weaver the planet. It won't happen! The only way they're giving Weaver the planet is when the Horde have taken everything they needed in the planet and leaves it barren. Then, and only then will the Horde give the planet to Weaver! And they'd probably leave her with it too. She is Etherian after all.

And if Hordak do take the plunge, I doubt they'll just hand the control to Weaver. The Horde is an empire and a vast one at that! They'll just send someone else to oversee the rule over Etheria. And Weaver will still stay to serve the next ruler, and the next and the next one after that. Forever and so on. She is a slave of the Horde, even if you say she can come and go as she pleased, she is still a slave to the Horde! 'Nuff said!

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Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 03-02-2001 07:30 PM ET (US)

OK, first off I want to know just HOW the Horde could take away Shadow Weaver's old powers along with the ones they gave her. They can take away her shadow magics because they actually gave them to her, but her original ones were her's and her's alone. They did NOT give them to her, so how could they take them away?

Secondly, about Weaver taking over/being given Etheria. The one thing about this is, GrtEternal, Shadow Weaver *is* the Horde's second-in-command. That *may* count for something if anything were to happen to Hordak.

~Suz

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GrtEternal posted 03-02-2001 09:02 PM ET (US)

Hi Suz!

Ok, here's my explaination how the Horde can take her old powers as well. You know how the Gem gave Weaver her powers, right. It beamed it to her or something. Well, I guess the way for the Horde to get her powers back is to suck it right back, and I doubt they'll just stop right there, you know what I mean??? They'll just keep on sucking till nothings left but the old bony crone. They'll take her shadow powers, and to just teach her a lesson, take her old powers too. Just a theory!

As for Weaver being second-in-command, I agree with you. She might take over for a short while, only till the replacement for Hordak arrives. I doubt Horde Prime will just trust the title to anyone, not even to Weaver who has a history of betrayal in her records. You know what I mean???

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Shadow Weaver posted 03-02-2001 09:52 PM ET (US)

GrtEternal...You surprise me and here I was thinking that Larry Ditillo worked for Rankin/Bass.I am fully aware that he worked for Filmation but who are you to say what he is thinking about characters.The writers had freedom to an extent to write there storys and after all it was Larry Ditillo who created Shadow Weaver not Filmation in general.The writers had a little something called....CREATIVE LICENCE...maybe you've heard of it!!!

HELLO,Horde Prime would entrust Weaver with the planet and I put the emphasis on the WOULD ENTRUST.You clearly underestimate Shadow Weaver's power and the fact she is a lot more powerful than YOU think she is.Lets agree to disagree!!!

AS I POINT OUT AGAIN Weaver would retain a lot of her powers and obviously it is evil as it is called The Evil Horde..funny that and Shadow Weaver is one of the most evil members.

I AGAIN say that Shadow Weaver isn't a slave to The Horde and as for taking away her powers...BYE,BYE HOrdak to the valley of the Lost!!!

I will stop by quoting one of my favoutites.

From the episode A Talent for Trouble

Shadow Weaver:It seems that your science is no more effective than my magic!!!

Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 03-02-2001 10:30 PM ET (US)

Hey, hey HEY! Shadow Weaver isn't a crone, GrtEternal! Like you said, she looks to be in her teens when she betrays Etheria, and Castaspella looked to be about 10 or so. Which means she's only a few years older than Castaspella, who looks pretty youthful to me! So nya! ^_^

As for the Horde taking the rest of the powers, let us not forget that her original powers were a different KIND of power to the magics they would be able to take away. If they could take away magics THAT easily, why didn't Hordak take away the Rebel's magics (the magicusers such as Glimmer and them) when they had them captive in various episodes?

~Suz

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GrtEternal posted 03-02-2001 11:50 PM ET (US)

OOOKKKKK People!

Shadow Weaver:
"It seems your science is not as effective as my magic", Well, that sounds like she's accepting her powers are not as powerful as she say it is.

For Horde Prime entrusting Etheria to weaver, somehow I just don't see that happening. Weaver a ruler??? Ya right!

For her powers, she's not as powerful as you believe she is and even Weaver knows this. She's power mad and she knows that her powers before were merely "passable". So, she got a couple of spells right, which makes her passable as a sorceress. That DOES NOT make her powerful! She got greedy for more power and when the Horde offers her power, she took it. So stop saying it's her powers, IT'S NOT HERS! It was just lend to her! If the Horde decide to take it back, they will! And in case you haven't notice, Weaver is terrified of Hordak! She can't cast a spell on him even if Hordak tells her to.

The Horde will not give too much power for someone who is there only to serve them. Be logical! Do you think a slave will create stronger chains for his master??? Will the Horde give too much power to someone who is power mad??? Enough power to overthrow The Horde??? Think logically! They won't!

As for Mr. DiTillo, it still sounds like he's guessing. Ok so he created Weaver, but I'm taking the facts from the shows here. Weaver can't and could not take over Etheria and overthrow Hordak! She's smart and she knows if she do stupid things like this, she'll lose the powers she craves for.

And even if Weaver did somehow (most unlikely, highly doubt it) take over Etheria, How long do you think she can hold it??? If she took over Etheria, it means she rebelled against Hordak and the Horde, which also means that The Horde will no longer back her up. Gone are her troopers and I highly doubt that Mantenna and the rests of the Horde Squad will stay in Etheria if Weaver overthrow Hordak. They'll be back in HordeWorld in no time. Then Weaver is the only one left and she has to face She-ra and the Great Rebellion by herself alone. All by herself! Just her and nobody else! So she'll still lose. What makes you think that the Rebellion will stop now when they know that Weaver is the only one left behind. And if she did rebelled against the Horde, they'll take her powers and she'll be back as being a "passable" sorceress again, which I doubt Hordak will just let it slide that far only. So either way, Weaver can't and could not take over The Horde or Etheria. She's not powerful enough or stupid enough to do so.

Suzzane:
Weaver as a crone! Well, she is now. When she accepted the powers the Horde gave her, it changed her and not to become a beauty queen. Look at her hands when they changed, her robe that covers her face and the reaction of Norwyn's apprentice when she showed her face to him. She's no longer young or beautiful as she once was. She may not be old in birth years but she will look old, like a crone!

As for How Hordak can take away the rests of her powers. Well, he can just order another one of those "will drainer" he used for the Magna Beam Projector from a Horde catalogue and put weaver in it. I doubt she'll be able to use her remaining spells after her shadow powers were drained back to the energy gem. I think it's gonna be a very tiring experience for her after that event.

As for Why won't Hordak used it on the other rebels??? It's very simple. He needs to get to them first! Weaver serves him therefore, if she betrays him, Hordak can get to her first, drain the powers the Horde gave to her and throw her in that "will drainer" contraption and Voila, her powers and mind are forever gone, then off to the slave mine with her!

Don't get me wrong, the Horde can take powers as they did to He-man in the SOTS movie. They can do it, but it's not easy. Hordak needs the components to create another "Will Draining" machine. If Hordak knew that Weaver is going to betray him, he can always order the components for the machine from the Horde catalogue and have it shipped secretly to Etheria. He'll make the machine and used it against Weaver when she least expect it. Hordak is very tricky you know!

So all in all, I'll leave you with this summary:

Shadow Weaver is a slave to the Horde, no matter how powerful we think she is. She serves the Horde and she can't go anywhere else without the Horde dictating it to her! If Hordak tells her what to do, she better do it! No matter what! Her deal with Horde sealed her fate in it. She's forever bound to her duties to serve the Horde!

We know that Hordak has complete power over her! He showed it many times and he even put Weaver in her rightful place when she talk back to Hordak! A Slave! Only there to do Hordak's bidding!

Weaver can't win over Norwyn for her powers are not as poweful as Norwyn's. He's an older and wiser wizard while Weaver is not. She just looks old! Castaspella has more in depth experience with her magic which makes her wiser than weaver in spell casting. Casta showed it by making fun of her shadow powers! She also knows the one true weakness of Weaver! She's terrified of Teddy Bears!

If Weaver leaves the Horde, it will be in an urn or casket. I doubt The Horde let anyone leaves alive. Adora, Sunder, Shakra, and Romeo did, but they're still being hunted down. If Weaver leaves the horde, she has to join the Rebellion to be safe and I doubt they'll trust her so quickly. And she won't be able to get in the safety of Whispering Woods!

Ms. Mary poppins can sing very well and perfect in any way! Her magical capabilities shows god-like capacity. Weaver won't stand a chance on her! While Weaver is in the middle of spell casting, Ms. Poppins will just simply blow her away with a tornado! 'Nuff said!

Good Journey!

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Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 03-03-2001 03:58 AM ET (US)

First thing I gotta argue against is Shadow Weaver being a crone! So Ardin had a shocked look on his face when she took off the mask- that could mean ANYTHING! Or maybe like WEaver's supposed teddy bear phobie, he's terrified of old people. Boney hands mean jack $#!t. I know mates who have boney hands where you can practically make out each and every bone in their fingers and hands, and they're my age! So I still disagree there. Even though we all have different opinions on just how 'true to life' the UK comics are, well, check out issue 13 of the She-Ra ones. She dosen't look that old.

What's next... oh yeah, the magnabeam! It drains WILL POWER, not magic!! Sure it makes ya weak and stuff, but it dosen't take away magic!

And as for the Horde not taking away Rebel's magics 'cos they haven't been able to catch 'em, there have been several episodes where they have caught them! SOTS (Glimmer, Madame Razz), A Talent for Trouble (Madame Razz) and I'm sure there'd be a few others.

Oh, and by the way, this is a really good argumentative topic! Would anybody mind if I put the SW related posts on my page? If you don't, I won't put it up, no hassels. I just thought it's a really intresting topic that brings up lots of theories!

~Suz

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Scorpia posted 03-03-2001 04:36 AM ET (US)

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Scorpia may not be a good sorceress, but with the added powers the Gem gives her, she might be, with the proper training and everything of course!

GrtEternal: That's a very good observation! Hordak said Weaver was a 'second-rate Sorceress' when he found her (A Loss for Words) - which makes us wonder how bad she was in the first place!!!

With the Power Gem (remember she had absorbed most of it's energy), even Scorpia could've been as unstoppable as Shadow Weaver...

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GrtEternal posted 03-03-2001 11:14 AM ET (US)

My point exactly Scorpia!

Anyone can be a very powerful magician because of that Gem. Shadow Weaver started as a magician, therefore she has a mini experience with magic. If the Gem's powers were granted to, let say, Leech! He too can be a powerful magician just like Weaver, not because of his mystical experience, but because of the Gem's powers!

Suzzane:
Ok, I guess I was just insulting Weaver with the "crone" thing. But she is still no beauty queen!

She's U!-G!-L!-Y! And she ain't got no alibi! She's ugly!!! Oh yeah! (Ok, I'm gonna stop now!)

Besides, wasn't it in your site that picture of Weaver looks like witout her hood??? She ain't no Miss Universe, that's for sure!

As for why Hordak didn't take the rebels powers away when he got a hold of them. Simple! He-man destroyed that "Will Draining" machine. And Hordak needs to make a new one, which he hadn't yet! Also, he has vast machineries that can mess with someones mind, remember Dragstor???

Oh, and how come if it only drain wills, all the people, He-man included got so weak and powerless??? Who knows what it's effects are for magic users! Magic is only as poweful as the wielder's will make it too.

Also just to add. There are warriors that serves the Horde that can take away powers too. Leech and Mosquitor comes to mind. I think Octavia too, but that is still remains to be seen!

And as for posting this to your site! NO WAY SUZZE! Unless I get my name up there! Oh, ok! Go ahead! It will be a shame to lose all of this one day! I believe I got my best posts topic up here! Don't you think??? My mind is just going and going everytime I type my posts here! It's fun! And I enjoyed every hours, emphasized on HOURS, of it!

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Mosquitor posted 03-03-2001 12:01 PM ET (US)

GrtEternal:

Shadow Weaver, no beauty queen? Ah, but she IS...

Even when I was a kid I thought she was hot without the hood, in the UK comics..... Now _that's_ beautiful... discolored but stunning. She'd definitely be MY Miss Universe.

And no, I'm not kidding... call me depraved, but I really, honestly DO think she's sexy without her hood.

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Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 03-03-2001 07:29 PM ET (US)

Kill me, please kill me! I just posted but the thing stuffed up 'cos I didn't type the right username in! Something's wrong with the Cookies on my compu or something. Now I gotta type this whole thing ALL OVER AGAIN! (you're the one behind this, aren't you GrtEternal?! jk!)

*sigh* OK, Shadow Weaver looks pretty damn sexy to me, thank you!! LOL!!! Honsetly dude, I don't think she looks anywhere near as bad as people make her out to be! I don't think she looks bad, anyway.

Now, about the whole 'Hordak didn't take the Rebel's magics away with the magnabeam 'cos He-Man destroyed it', I don't think so. Besides, if that was the thing he could take Weaver's powers away with, why would he threaten her in 'A Loss For Words' after it had been destroyed? There has to be some other way, otherwise he wouldnt've done that, which means there is another thing he could take away Rebels' magics with.

Why did He-Man get so weak in the beam? This is just what I think, but taking away will power means taking away stuff like will to stand up, will to stay conciouse, ect etc etc.

Hmmm, posting your name along with this on my site, that's a pretty tall order! *sigh* But since I'm such a *nice* person... 'course I will!

~Suz

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Shadow Weaver posted 03-03-2001 10:47 PM ET (US)

GrtEternal:Leech...A magician...give me strengh!!!

Why do you think Hordak looked for a Magician or a Sorceress in the first place to give the gem to.If he had just wanted a weaker Sorceress or a magicaian he would have given the gem to Catra,Scorpia,Leech Mantenna or *shudder* even Grizzlor etc.etc.He obviously wanted a user of magic in the first place.

My quote of "It seems that your science is no more effective than my magic" simply means that Hordak is a jumped up,two bit,good for nothing,all mouth dolt of a Horde Commander.

Shadow Weaver for president!!!

I think it is SHAMEFUL TO KNOCK ONE OF THE GREAT OF OUR FAVOURITE SHOWS Mr.Ditillo.As someone once said "Don't bite the hand that feeds you."I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE MORE RESPECT.

Shadow Weaver would and could take over Etheria with the help of Horde Prime!!!who doesn't even like Hordak much.

Again YOU seem to underestimate the power of Shadow Weaver

I am thinking logically and Shadow Weaver's powers have grown since she first recieved the power gem and with a little help she could have overthrown Hordak who she wasn't THAT scared of.Hordak underestimated Weaver's powers which is a dangerous thing to do.Plus if you can knock Mr Ditillo in that way....a man who is responsible for creating a lot of the characters and writing a lot of the stories that we talk about here it is you that isn't thinking logically.

GrtEternal posted 03-04-2001 08:24 AM ET (US)

SHADOW WEAVER:
Me??? Not thinking logically??? It seems to me that you're the one who's blind with this mad obssession about Weaver taking over The Horde and Etheria!

She can't and she won't be able to! As for the record, Weaver is terrified of Hordak! Sure, she talk back to him every now and then, and she does have that annoying habit of too much confidence in a power that's not even fully hers! But she is scared of Hordak! Remember when Hordak used that beam on her??? She was like " Oh master! forgive me!" crying out loud!

As for Leech being a great magician ,I meant that as an example! see, EXAMPLE!!! Grrr!

Also, on why Hordak just didn't give the Gem to some of his servants??? Simple! They already serve the Horde! The Horde needed someone who is from Etheria and power hungry on whom they can offer more power to, in exchange for some useful information! Enter, Light Spinner. A "passable" second-rate sorceress with dreams of grandeur! A magician that craves more powers and don't care what the consequences would bring. They offer her the Gem's power as an exchanged for information, she accepted and BAM! Weaver is born.

Also, to point out. Weaver was created by the Gem's powers. The Horde created the Gem. Therefore, if Weaver decide to betray the Horde, Hordak can destroy her in no second flat! Hordak is that kind of guy, you know!

As for Weaver for president! I'm not voting for her! She'll be as bad as any tyrant or dictator! Like Ex-Pres. Estrada of the Phillipines! Eyw! Can we say power-hungry kids???

As for Mr. DiTillo, I am in no way knocking him off! I read the interview Suz made for him, and somehow I don't sensed any cocrete evidence about Weaver being able to take over Hordak! All seems to be "guessing" to me. She might, if she can, but I doubt, so she can't! Besides, lots of times. Hordak don't go anywhere without Weaver by her side. Maybe it's all about the friends close, enemies closer theory! Smart villains do that all the time you know!

As for Horde Prime helping her??? Highly DOUBT IT!!! I just don't see it happening. If Hordak fails more than Horde Prime can handle, He'll simply send another Horde Commander to oversee the rule of Etheria and Hordak will be fired. I don't see anyway Weaver is gonna be promoted to be ruler. She's just a slave to the Horde! Besides if Hordak fails, Weaver goes with him to the unemployment line! They're both fired!

As for Weaver's powers. Of course they have grown, but they're still being backed up by the Gem's powers, not her own. All the knowledge she learned, will still be hers even if the Gem's powers were removed from her, BUT, her spells are not gonna be as powerful! She'll be right back to where she started. A "passable" second-rate magician with the dreams of grandeur!

And as for the record, I do think logically pertaining to this subject. I think like The Horde in giving powers to thier would-be servants. I think like Weaver would think if she knows that if she rebelled against Hordak, her powers will be ripped from her!

And I think that Weaver is hiding behind the protection of Filmation's morals more than any other character in the series. It protects her!

I see this scenario:

Weaver: "Hey kids! Would you like to see She-ra beat me to a pulp???, or Norwyn rips my head off because I betrayed him??? Or Casta stomps and cursing at me after she turns me to a roach???"

Of course the kids will say: "YES!"

But the parents that has more control than they do, will say: "NO! that's too violent!"

Then turns off the TV and start to get petition to take She-ra POP and He-man off the air! See, Filmation's morals protects the bad guys, same thing with the good guys!

SUZZANE:
Well, in the "Loss For Words" episode, it was already destroyed. But perhaps, Hordak has another way of dealing with Weaver other than that machine.

And as for the "Will drainer" machine, taking away the will to stand and the will to stay conscious, and thus also, the will to cast magic???

If that did happen when Weaver was turned back to Light Spinner, then Hordak can just give her to Leech and Mosquitor! See, drained even her other magic as well!

MOSQUITOR:
I agree that Weaver does looks sexy under that robe. I wonder how her legs looks like??? Does she even have feet?!?! Eyw!

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castaspella posted 03-04-2001 09:04 AM ET (US)

Not on everything, but on quite a number of points, particularly about the morals, I'm afraid I'm still gonna have to agree with GrtEternal (whether I want to or not!) At the end of the day it's a cartoon in reality, and Weaver's ultimate fate would of course be decided by whichever writer happened to create that story. If it was LD perhaps she would move up in the world (though I very much doubt it taking all factors into consideration), but if it was Drew Lawrence or Rob Lamb for example, she may well get knocked off her perch - look at A Loss For Words. I don't think by any means she's slave material, but I think all this about help from Horde Prime, ruling wherever etc etc is a little over-active imagination. Sure, I do the same with Casta sometimes, decide what powers she must have had based on her few appearances, but I also recognise that's only my speculation, and there's nothing to prove me right or wrong either way. Casta is a brilliant character, as of course is Weaver. Let's enjoy that instead of obsessing about what ifs and maybes that nobody can prove right or wrong. The chances of us all changing our opinions to fit are very remote. Keep it happy.
As far as great writers go, LD was undoubtedly one of the best writers on both series IMO, but personally I would rate Bob Forward above him if only for the likes of The Problem With Power and The Price of Freedom. That's only my personal opinion of course, and I have great respect for LD.
Speaking of which, for those persons raving on about us all having more respect for him, how's about they spell DiTillio right? And yes I know the opening credits for SOTS read 'DiTillo', like Linda 'Gray'. But it's DiTillio... and Grayskull is with an 'A'!! (Sorry, had to put that in too just incase!)
Take care all,
Casta.

Kyrone posted 03-04-2001 11:39 AM ET (US)

I can't actually respond to the topic, but whatever GrtEternals says, I disagree with and whatever my dear, sweet, precious Castaspella says, I agree with.

GrtEternal posted 03-04-2001 11:47 AM ET (US)

Oh boy! Now were going for type'os.

Anyway, I just thought of something. CATRA! That scheming feline! She alone had a closer chance of taking over Etheria! When she joined with Skeletor to overthrow Hordak, she said that she can be his (Skelly's) Force Captain! Why?? Because with Skeletor ruling Eternia, Catra will be left alone to rule Etheria "for him!" A brilliant plan, don't you think! Better than Weaver in anyway!

Ok, also for Weaver being powerful enough to overthrow Hordak and ruled Etheria! Well, I guess now, it will never happened! One of the last episodes of She-ra with Weaver in it, "Shades of Orko", SHE LOST HER POWERS! Well, her shadow! And it seems, I just don't see Weaver and her shadow singing "Reunited" anytime soon!

HAH! So nowadays, even Madame Razz can beat Weaver! Even those Twiggets! HAHA!

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GrtEternal posted 03-04-2001 11:53 AM ET (US)

PEOPLE!!! IGNORE KYRONE!!!!

He eats green fur!!!

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Kyrone posted 03-04-2001 12:02 PM ET (US)

Green fur??? Never! Only brown and only if Casta lets me.

Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 03-04-2001 02:20 PM ET (US)

"She was like " Oh master! forgive me!" crying out loud!"

Oh great, now you're making her sound like Igor! But GrtEternal's right, (board) Shadow Weaver. Weaver is terrified of him, and that's about the only reason she serves him, or at least the only reason I can think of. I mean, why would she serve someone who repeatedly puts her down/punishes her for her beliefs in magic, and who's every order she must obey, weather she agrees with it or not?

"Of course the kids will say: "YES!" "
*giving GrtEternal the evil eye*

With the will-drainer, sure it would take away the will to cast a spell, but that wouldn't mean it takes away her magic. I mean, sure Weaver can not FEEL like casting a spell at anytime in the series, but that dosen't mean she hasn't got any magic!

(BTW, for the record, she *does* have feet and I got the picture to proove it!*)

Oh God... *groans out loud* if all these debates about Weaver wern't enough for me, now we're talking about one of my least fave characters being more able than her- Catra! I'll debate about that later, but right now I gotta go to school. Catch ya soon.

~SuZANNE! *making special emphasis on the spelling!*

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Shadow Weaver posted 03-04-2001 05:31 PM ET (US)

Hi de Hi...Ho de Ho...happy campers!!!

Hmmm GrtEternal...di I sense that you are mellowing to my case in point?

Currently there is nothing wrong with my eyesight...thanks for asking though!!!

I still maintain that you are the one not thinking logically and give the Weaver the right kind of help she could overthrow Hordak and take Etheria!!!

As for your Scenario...I'm not going to dignify it with a response.

The Horde didn't create Weaver as in a seperate entity.She is still deep down Light Spinner who has happened to be changed her looks and her name to Shadow Weaver.

I highly doubt that Hordak has another machine and let me JUST PONIT OUT TO YOU that Mosquitor didn't even exist as a member of The Horde.He was a creation of Mattel and found no place in the Filmation show.So how could he drain Light Spinner.As for Leech doing it I HIGHLY DOUBT IT

Even Weaver would be better than Clinton though...Nothing against George Bush though.

Casta..Not wanting to contradict you but the interview with Larry Ditillio Uhh Hmm on Suzanne's sight is all the proof I need about Weaver overthrowing Hordak!!!No offence but I don't see an interview saying speaking about what would happen to Castaspella and there is one for Weaver so that is what I base my Horde Prime theory on and it is totally your opinion to agree or disagee at will about it.All I'm saying is that Mr Ditillio and his interview give me enough amunition to think and argue that this would have happened!!!

About the favourite writers,personally JMS is my favourite but there wasn't a writer,not even Bob Forward,who put as much background work and planning into the creation of She-ra.Also Bob Forward may hav written greats like the ones you mentioned but over all the episodes in the entire series for a high level of concistancy,give me Larry Ditillio any day!!!

About the spelling thing "for those persons raving on about us all having more respect for him" I take it you mean me.

I was refering to GrtEternal in perticular and not everybody.The spelling of his name is a small oversight and I don't think it compares with knocking him and his creations.I do think that certain people should have more respect for him because lets not forget that without him we would have not had a lot of characters that we know and love and possibly even the She-ra series.

Also,I can't see Mr Ditillio letting Shadow Weaver get knocked from power!!!If anyone was going to,like he says,it would be Hordak!!!

GrtEternal:"HAH! So nowadays, even Madame Razz can beat Weaver! Even those Twiggets! HAHA!"......DOUBT IT!!!

Also,this is a major flaw in My Friend My Enemy.Why would Horde Prime apoint Skeletor as the ruler of Etheria when he is a sworn enemy to The Horde.It wouldn't happen.Shadow Weaver would be apointed ruler of Etheria!!!

Also,if you listen to the episode carefully it says that Skeletor would rule Etheria and that Catra would be his Force Captain not that Skeletor would rule Eternia and Catra would rule Etheria.How did Skeletor suddenly manage to defeat He-man etc.etc. on Eternia and Catra wouldn't rule the plannet it would be Weaver.Another major flaw in the episode is that Catra is already a Horde Force captain and she would gain no more power out of defeating Hordak.It is a weak plot to suggest that Hordak's advisor and chief aid wouldn't be in comand if Hordak was defeated and it is is madness to suggest Skeletor would be!!!

Shadow Weaver would be apointed ruler of Etheria.

GrtEternal posted 03-04-2001 10:17 PM ET (US)

Oh my gosh! We got 78 posts here already!!! I hope JVS3 ain't mad at us!

Anyway, here I go again!

Shadow Weaver:
Weaver lost her powers in the "Shades of Orko" episode. And from the way her shadow looks, she won't be reuniting with Weaver anytime soon. Therefore, she ain't got no powers! No magic, no chance to rule Etheria, the Horde or otherwise! As if she can, even when she had her powers!

And as for Why would Horde Prime appoint Skeletor to be a Horde ruler??? Same reason why he called Skeletor and Hordak to his presence in the Christmas Special! Skeletor got what it takes to be leader, and a good one at that! Besides, Skeletor is not an enemy of The Horde! He is though an enemy of Hordak! There's a big difference between the two positions!

As for the Gem and Weaver. Weaver was formed because of that Gem. She was Light Spinner, and her magics were light oriented till that Gem changed her to that thing! So, without the Gem, she would still be Light Spinner! A "passable' second-rate magician that has dreams of grandeur!!

As for Mosquitor. True, he was created by Mattel! So are most of the characters of both MOTU and POP. He didn't made it to the show because it got cancelled! CANCELLED! Let me shout that out loud again! CANCELLED!!! He would had made it, if the show would have gone another season or two. So is Dragstor! And new characters! And more stories with Spinnerella and The Star Sisters in it! And more episodes were Castaspella and Norwyn beat Weaver again and again! But noooo, it had to get CANCELLED! Cancelled, I tell you!!! Grrr....

As for another "will draining" machine, he might have one, he might not. Just speculation on what would happen if he did. He can always make a newer and improved machine though! One that sucks magic as well as will!

As for Catra and Skeletor. ok, here's a pop quiz.

Question: What main planet that Skeletor is just dying to rule???
Hint: He-man lives there!

Give up???

Answer: Eternia! (that was easy!)

So here's what would happen if Skelly's plan with Catra works all the way, and he beat Hordak!

Skeletor takes command of The Horde in Etheria, he goes back to Eternia with the Horde arsenal in tow. Beat Randor and his soldiers and somehow beat He-man too. Of course since he can't be in two planets at the same time, He'll rule Eternia from Grayskull and Catra, being second-in-command to Skeletor is left to rule Etheria for him! Get it yet???
Catra knows what the outcome would be if the plan suceed and she got herself covered! Weaver on the other hand told Skeletor that she will rule Etheria! Not Skeletor on Etheria, but Weaver! Catra said that she'll serve Skeletor, therefore if all ends well, she'll be ruling Etheria for him! A great plan don't you think??? See, now that's logic!

As for Weaver, I don't see her trying to second guess Skeletor if he's the new ruler of Etheria and Eternia! He'll blast her to bits!

As for me thinking logically, I always do! Besides, I'm not the one who drinks Martinis before going to posting boards like this!

SUZANNE:
Sorry for the type'os. As much as I hate to admit it, I'm not perfect! Well, almost perfect anyway!

As for the "will drainer" and the will to casts magic. Well, true! she'll still have her powers as Light Spinner, but whats the use of having those said mystical powers if you don't have the will to used them??? They'll be worthless! And not to mention Leech and Mosquitor!
After that "will draining" machine is over and done with Light Spinner, she'll be weak and unable to defend herself. Then Leech and Mosquitor can drain the rests of her powers till nothing is left but her old powerless self! See, her former powers are gone as well!

Have fun in school!

Now this is post 79! Shall we go for 80???

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Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 03-05-2001 12:21 AM ET (US)

Woohoo, eighty posts! In the year-and-a-bit I've been here, this is the bast topic I"ve ever come across!

OK, first of all, Shadow Weaver should have ended up reunoted with her shadow, because she was in two more episodes - the final two - after 'Shades of Orko', with her shadow intact! And she obviously still has her magical capabilities, 'cos she *WAS* floating (or so I've been told), and I think you'd need magic to do that!

I agree that deep down, Shadow Weaver is still Light Spinner. I don't think she could've been killed like that and have had Shadow Weaver replace her. Light Spinner isn't dead... just in hiding. And might I add, she's camouflaged quite well.

Castaspella- "Let's enjoy that instead of obsessing about what ifs and maybes that nobody can prove right or wrong."

Oh great, that cuts out what I do 80% of my time! I refuse to let down on the loopholes! Ah, my beloved loopholes... OK, now I'm just getting wierd!

~Suz (who was constantly thinking about this topic all through school!)

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GrtEternal posted 03-05-2001 02:49 PM ET (US)

Hey Suz! I love your site by the way! It keeps asking me to vote, but everytime I try, it won't let me! What's up with that?!?

Anyway, about this long topic we've been discussing, I never said that Light Spinner is dead. Weaver was formed because of the Gem! She could might as well be any character, but they chose the name Shadow Wever! She could be Dark Lighter or something! (no "Charmed" pun intended!)

As for the other episodes, which ones are they???

As for Weaver floating, I think that is her way of getting around nowadays with or without her magic. She was floating while running after her shadow in that episode, wasn't she???

Same thing with Orko too, when those couple of episodes where he lost his magic! He's still able to float! I guess floating to them is like standing to us "legged" creatures! While gliding is walking to us. You know what I mean???

Now to go out and shovel snow! We're having a blizzard here and it's no fun at all! Where's Casta when you need her???

This is 81! Shall we go for 82???

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HE-MAN and SHE-RA Rules!!!

Shadow Weaver posted 03-05-2001 04:51 PM ET (US)

Hmmm.Frosta would be of more use to you in your blizzard.Why not e-mail Castle Chill and ask her over for tea(:

Also,I need the Martini to keep me sane(;

Ok here goes

Shadow Weaver didn't loose her magic.It was or certainly would have been returned!!!

Skeletor is an enemy of The Horde and not just Hordak.He betrayed the location of the secret base at Snake Mountain and therefor he s an enemy to the Horde.As it went

Skeletor: "So,what brings you to Eternia after all the time,my old friend"

Hordak: "I came looking for a traitor to The Horde,and it looks like I found one"

You are right about the charcters that didn't appear but Shadow Weaver without the morals and with the help of Mr Ditillio (Uhh Hmm)(: would have had her revenge on both characters you stated.

Also,most of the best characters wre created by Filmation and not Mattel in She-ra,with the notable exeption of She-ra,Catra and Angella.

Weaver was formed because of The Gem but she still would retain power if The Horde took the gem back.(I think I have said that about 20 times now)(:

Hmmm...if you call that logic then I am a Doomberry pie(;

The story My Friend My Enemy is filled with flaws as Carol Baxter didn't think that Horde Prime would never put Skeletor in charge of deciding what happens to Etheria.

Simple senario...Shadow Weaver would rule it!!!

Skeletor would never be put in charge of Etheria by Horde Prime it would be Shadow Weaver

Now that is logic!!!and that my friends is the most (: I have ever posted in a single post.

"Grab that woman acrobat"

"Some fun at last,yes siree yes siru"

GrtEternal posted 03-05-2001 05:55 PM ET (US)

I was wondering when you're gonna show up!

Now here we go again! (Haha! This is really fun!)

About the Blizzard, I need Casta to cast the snow away with her spells. Frosta creates ice and snow, not take them away! Frosta'll just end up making it worse for me shoveling those furry little white stuff! Ugh!

Now then, for Skeletor and The Horde!
Hordak only said that to make Skeletor look like a bigger traitor, even though he only betrayed Hordak. If, and big IF there. Skeletor is a Horde traitor, why would Horde Prime, the embodiment of Horde, summons him for a mission??? Maybe because He knows what really happened between the two! Hmmm...!

As for Weaver's magic, or in this case, her shadow returning back to her! Perhaps, one day, eventually. But by the way that shadow looks, running away from her and all! It's gonna take some time. A very looooong time!

Again with Weaver and morals and Mr. DiTillo (spell check!). Please! Never happened! It won't happen! Not in a billion years! Never transpired! DOUBT IT! "Nuff said!

Again with Light Spinner regaining her powers, after the Gem's powers were removed from her!
She would, but she'll be back to her old "passable" second-rate self again! She'll still regain her knowledge of the magics she learned, but witout the Gem's powers to back her up, her spells won't be as strong as it was! Besides, I doubt she'd be able to stand after that "power removing" ordeal. After that, lunch time for Leech and Mosquitor! Did you see how Mosquitor take powers away??? It's really disgusting! YUCK!!!

As for the characters, like who created them??? Does it matter. Mattel still has the rights for the license of both MOTU and POP! They may have not created all characters, but they still own them! YaY MATTEL! Now enough with the limited quantities! Grrr...

Ok, as for Skeletor ruling for The Horde. That, I can see. Horde Prime will let Skeletor gets his way first, after he beat Hordak, of course. Then Skelly will use The Horde armada and arsenals and bring it to Eternia. With The Horde backing him up + his evil warriors in Eternia + his goblin army, How could Skelly lose???
Therefore Horde Prime will see that Skelly is the best leader. Because by then, he would have ruled both Etheria AND Eternia! And while Skeletor is ruling Eternia in Grayskull, Catra will rule for him in Etheria and Weaver can't do anything because by then, Horde Prime approves!
See, Weaver still end up working for another commander! CATRA! (Oooh, she'll be mad now!)

Har de Ho!

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Shadow Weaver posted 03-05-2001 06:17 PM ET (US)

This is going to be short wooohoo!!!

Fistly Frosta is powerful,she can disperse snow as well as create it

Hmmm...Horde Prime would never and will never let Skeletor take charge of a major Horde controlled plannet.AS FOR ETHERIA IT WOULD BE SHADOW WEAVER.

Weaver would,with Mr Ditillio's help,gain control of Etheria.

Hmmm....if Mosquitor did exist we don't know how powerful he would have been and Weaver would still have the upper hand on Leech with her POWERS THAT STILL REMAIN

All I means is that Filmation created Shadow Weaver and Scorpia(two of my all time favourite characters),they changed Catra's apperance well for the better,thet created so many brilliant other characters like Octavia,Dylamug and Vulkan etc etc.and in the end their writers wrote the show and Lou and his company brought She-ra and He-man to life.Mattel only made some of the characters.

Also,as I said before,Horde Prime wouldn't let a KNOW ENEMY of The Horde to take control of their plannets and Catra would never take control of Etheria as,one,she wouldn't get the chance to as it would never happen in a real script as Skeletor wouldn't be in control in the first place and two,if it did,AND IT NEVER WOULD, but if it did happen Shadow Weaver would defeat Catra easily and then take the throne of Etheria for herself.

[This message has been edited by Shadow Weaver (edited March 05, 2001).]

Suzanne Shadow Weaver fan posted 03-06-2001 12:53 AM ET (US)

"I love your site by the way! It keeps asking me to vote, but everytime I try, it won't let me! What's up with that?!?"

Thanks, GrtEternal! Glad it provides some enjoyment! That vote thing is just... wierd. I think I'll hafta get rid of it!

"Anyway, about this long topic we've been discussing, I never said that Light Spinner is dead. Weaver was formed because of the Gem!"

I meant dead in the sense that she is now Shadow Weaver. Or maybe that's what you meant... lol, I've got such a thiock head sometimes!

The other two episodes you asked about are 'The Bibbet Story' and 'Swifty's Baby'. Hm, Shadow Weaver & Orko still floating without thier magic... wierd, very wierd! Ah well, I can bet that Weaver has a shadow in the two eps after Shades of Orko. She lost it in Horror Hall too, so it should've been easier to catch on her home turf.

"I guess floating to them is like standing to us "legged" creatures!"

Random bit of picky-ness- She's got legs

I don't think Skeletor would get Etheria, unless he conquered it for himself, not the Horde. So he's a great conquerer on Eternia, big deal. He was only a student in the HOrde, anyway. Besides, in betraying Hordak, he betrayed the Horde.

"Frosta'll just end up making it worse for me shoveling those furry little white stuff! Ugh!"

Dude! If I were getting snow, I'd be happy to shovel up the stuff! Snow's cool! I mean, when ya live in Australia ya don't get to see much of the stuff, unless you go down to Victoria or somethin'. You're lucky, you are!

"See, Weaver still end up working for another commander! CATRA!"

*twitching* Grrr... *holding in a few swear words*! OK, so tell me WHY Catra would be put in charge of the Horde and not Weaver? She could do the same thing ya know.

And on the subject, how come both SW and Catra seemed to run to Skeletor in times of need? *shrugs* Aimless toy promotion I guess!

~Suz

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GrtEternal posted 03-06-2001 05:24 PM ET (US)

OOkkk, so here we go again!

SHADOW WEAVER:
About Frosta, (I think we're getting way off the subject here), I've never seen her removed snow before but I did saw her in several occasions of creating them! And Ice too! So, if she has powers that can removed snows, then it wasn't shown in the series nor books. In the books, she can make Ice Cream out of thin air, which is really weird! I even saw her in the book turned demons into Ice Cream! YUCK!

Now for the real topic!

Weaver's powers won't be enough to deal with Leech witout the Gem's to backed it up. She'll just be another Madame razz whose magic works backwards! And besides, with the ordeal she just had, the power removal and all, she'll be so tired and unable to defend herself!

As for Skeletor and Etheria, Horde Prime would allow it, if Skeletor suceeds where Hordak failed.

Also, here's another possibility about what would happen if Skeletor and Catra's plan works in the "My Friend, My Enemy" episode, with out Horde Prime knowing anything about it.

Skeletor, will take over Etheria without Horde Prime's knowledge. Gather the complete Horde Forces in Fright Zone with all the armada and arsenal. Have Evil-Lyn prepared his forces in Eternia. Return with the Horde and conquer it, defeat He-man and conquer Grayskull as well. With the added powers of Grayskull backing him up, he'll be powerful enough to take on Horde Prime himself. Conquer HordeWorld, and then the Galaxy, then the Universe... (Ok, I'm getting way ahead of myself here!) But, that scenario is a possibility! If all his plans worked, that is!
Catra, being the key character in the defeat of Hordak will rule Etheria for Skeletor, therefore Catra gets Etheria! And if Weaver is stupid enough to take arms against Catra, Skeletor will blast her! To tiny little shadowy bits!

As for Weaver again, taking control of Etheria. Even with Mr. DiTillo's (spell check again!) help! It will not, never, not in a million, billion years, would it happen! WON'T HAPPEN! It just won't!
She's easily beaten by She-ra, Castaspella and Norwyn, so if she did take over, it will only be in a minute! Same amount of time when she regained her powers from that Gem!

And STOP hiding behind Filmation's morals! This same morals is the reason Weaver is still alive! She would have been street pizza by now, if not for those said morals!

And I know Filmations created these said characters! They would have figures for them if MATTEL did! And it's VULTAK, not Vulcan! Vulcan is the Roman God of Forge! (Mythologically speaking!)
And MATTEL made MOST of the characters, not some. Most of them were created by MATTEL! And they still have the rights for all of them, Filmation made or otherwise! Grrr.....

Again, Skeletor would be able to take control of Etheria if, BIG IF, he's plans worked all the way. Then Eternia! And HordeWorld if he conquered GraySkull. Remember, GraySkull's magic is the power that beat The Horde when they try to conquer Eternia!

As for the script! DUH! Of course they won't show Skeletor and Catra winning! Filmations' morals won't permit it! Same morals that kept Weaver alive and not somebody's floor stomper!

SUZANNE:

Weaver has legs??? REALLY?!?!

I know she got legs, but most of the time, you really can't see it. The only time an outline of her legs we're shown is when she was kneeling after her defeat from Norwyn. I don't remember any other scenes beside that one.
Maybe she don't have feet??? Most "ghosts" don't! Hmmm..... I wonder....

"Would anyone be brave enough to look under her... "BLAST!".... Ok, never mind!" (runs away whimpering!)

About snow, I love snow. They're cute. Ever catch one with your thick glove and examine it. You'll see an outline of a perfect design. Blow on them and they slowly melt away! Just like magic! The only thing I hate about it is, I HAVE TO SHOVEL THEM AWAY!!!! ARGH!!!! It's too much work!

As for Weaver and Catra, always running to Skeletor??? Well, because Skeletor is the only one smart enough and strong enough to fight Hordak one on one! All the other ones, Weaver and Catra included, are terrified of Hordak!

Also, it's a great toy plot! Tee-Hee!

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