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March 2008 Starts with the PROFILE of the TRI VIEW. When we had the TYPE ONES with all that top tail, and all their TININESS; We did not have the Correct legs, which also effected and resulted in POOR head Placement; and a Pose,only coming from Excessive preparation of the Tail. This TINY UP TYPE has LITTLE Under-Belly, in comparison to a cubic body, which will lead to more ROUNDNESS from any view! This Tiny, short coupled, "short bodied style" has no under-belly. This tiny up type has no ability to Walk; in fact, it poses on its overly short,STRAIGHT ; front legs; which DO NOT have the REACH of those that do have more of An Under-belly line. This is not New information: it comes of the Bolton interpretation. .. And the TRI VIEW, and the Inspiration; The Splash on JOHN ARENA's page, and even the "ULTIMA" all show the Modern interpretation of the Bolton / Kingkinger." INTERPRETATION" which carries us beyond the Misinterpretation of THE FANTAIL.. BOOK from HOUSE. ; where we also set aside the quest for better colored Fantails, and markings. IE.. "short to moderately short "APPEARANCE" of the front view of the Legs, does not equate to SHORT, straight APPLE ON 2 STICKS; but, an apple that drops between two sticks. long enough to allow this settling that gives the CARRIAGE in walking motion and in posing , and THE "APPEARANCE" of "SHORT to MODERATELY SHORT LEGS" as defined by the Standand of Perfection. ILLUSION of ROUNDNESS comes of meat/ muscle, feather, and skeletal construction all BREEDER INTERFACED, NOT of Excessive preparation. " THE Natural LOOK, is a personal definetion of BEAUTY, and of IDEALISMS SET FORTH IN THE AMERICAN and AUSSIE STANDARDS' of PERFECTION. " -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The PROFILE of the TRI VIEW, is where A JUDGE starts; THE LEGS of the TRI VIEW is where the BREEDER STARTS: The PROFILE of the TRI VIEW. THE LEGS on the TRIVIEW, and looking to the CIRCLES of ROUNDNESS,(of the TRI VIEW; Where Batton Comically set the Majors Grand White, and The Dancers to the shape of their Body; THEN, he set it to the DUNDEE.....A TRI VIEWING of OLD.. and part of the NEW TYPE; the TRI VIEW....A Mellennium WONDER..and a WONDER of the Fantail WORLD. But, did they have more correct legs, than them Dancers? When we had the TYPE ONES with all that Top Tail, and in all of their TININESS; We did not have the Correct legs, which also effected and resulted in POOR Head POCKET, and Placement; and a Pose,only coming from Excessive preparation of the Tail. This TINY UP TYPE has LITTLE Under-Belly, in comparison to a cubic body, which will lead to more ROUNDNESS from any view! This Tiny, short coupled, "short bodied style" has no under-belly. This tiny up type has no ability to Walk; in fact, it poses on its overly short,STRAIGHT ; front legs; which DO NOT have the REACH of those that do have more of An Under-belly line. This is not New information: it comes of the Bolton interpretation. .. And the TRI VIEW, and the Inspiration; The Splash on JOHN ARENA's page, and even the "ULTIMA" all show the Modern interpretation of the Bolton / Kingkinger." INTERPRETATION" which carries us beyond the Misinterpretation of THE FANTAIL.. BOOK from HOUSE. ; where we also set aside the quest for better colored Fantails, and markings. IE.. "short to moderately short "APPEARANCE" of the front view of the Legs, does not equate to SHORT, straight APPLE ON 2 STICKS; but, an apple that drops between two sticks. long enough to allow this settling that gives the CARRIAGE in walking motion and in posing , and THE "APPEARANCE" of "SHORT to MODERATELY SHORT LEGS" as defined by the Standand of Perfection. ILLUSION of ROUNDNESS comes of meat/ muscle, feather, and skeletal construction all BREEDER INTERFACED, NOT of Excessive preparation. " THE Natural LOOK, is a personal definetion of BEAUTY, and of IDEALISMS SET FORTH IN THE AMERICAN and AUSSIE STANDARDS' of PERFECTION. "
Could we , with thoughts, maybe metaphysically?,would THEY say that the fantail cannot be from the Rock Pigeon?; from this, disagreement: Can we then say that in the beginning of a PROJECT, be it for Colouration, or for TYPE Perfection OR FOR BOTH!; that we would BREED CROSS to bring IN whatever is needed to create the BREEDERS MINDS EYE.
There WILL come a TIME in which we can Maintain, and even REFINE within this SAME Family; but, only to the Limitations of its GENEPOOLE; of which, in a SINGLE FAMILY SITUATION; they most likely are Without ALL (the GEMOMES) that ARE needed for the Idealisms found in the ODELL TRIVIEW; or a personal MINDS EYE .
When anyone of US, Has Within a Single GROUP, A FAMILY, or several; that show ALL that is to be SEEN in the meat & the feather, of the INSPIRATION;Then, and ONLY THEN will A BREEDER EMBARK upon INBREEDING IN and IN ..in a saving grace to preserve, all that is WITHIN and without ( genotype and Phenotype); but, to be Cautious of what WE discard, for what ever reason; and also weary of The slightest TAINTS, which will become Faults in a single HIGH Coe Mating. References: Darwin Orign of SPECIES.. pertaining to FANTAIL PIGEONS. Letter 3206 JULY 11, (1861) From Darwin to F.J. Wedgewood.
The Structure of the Fantail, thru all the ATTRIBUTES of same: Skeleton at pelvis, and keel shape defined.
Ceramic feather and it plumage points is to smoothness, so to ROUNDNESS.
LEG STRUCTURE DEFINED relative to the proper Interfacing of each GENERAL REQUIREMENT.
Few notes in the margins are necessary; and those that will be added, are for personal understanding. IE..
With the CFC's presentations of both the STANDARD of PERFECTION, and the recent O'DELL INTERPRETATION of that Standard; as well ALL THE O'DELL TRIVIEWS, including a TRIVIEW we call the "CIRCLES of ROUNDNESS" ALL this, said, and DONE; THE DONE part is an open WINDOW for the CFC; and THE FANTAIL FANCY AT LARGE to clearify to meet each Fantail CLUB's Personal Needs.IE per EXECUTIVE and MEMBERSHIP.
We will, at this point in this Quest for the NEW TYPE,THE MODERN MELLENIUN FANTAIL; (which we will sum up here, directly)will have notes in the margins, as always for a personal touching of UNDERSTANDING.
Directly then: That OUR personal UNDERSTANDING comes of both the HISTORY of the Fantail since the Calcutta imports into ENGLAND(UK) to date; and the experience of Breeding them.
Henceforth we note that it will always be the Meat and the FEATHER that will ultimately make sense of our NOTES, our SWAG thoughts; which in our MINDS EYE, matures directly in proportion to our Knowledge of History, and our Breeding Experiences.
It becomes apparent that our FOCUS will be on the answers we can SEE in the meat and the feather.
When We Utilize the SIXER MENTALITY of this Mellennium; by upgrading the original practices to the Modern day insights from our personal breeding experience; and of the History of the fantail; and in so doing; we will see that altho the Calcutta Fantails were used exclusively; that There came a TIME that the SCOTCH made them THEIR WAY, and the UK, their way; tho we know that it was the Scotch who tamed those Calcutta Indians to our Modern day Minds eye; we still used all that was set in tail size that the English had marveled.
WE want all that they wanted, individually, and although the SCOTCH had more , it was still NOT the ET TAL for minds EYE, for Colourations, marking, or for TYPE PERFECTION.
We want the large tails, and we want to create rumps that will carry them,and we don't need three layers; the standard is very clear; We want the profile, that best illudes to ROUNDNESS 9 within the meat and the feather, their structure( their Skeletal system, coupled with their Athletic ability from proper, training( if needed)Nutriionally Conditioned with both PHYSICAL and QUALITY REQUIREMENTS; which will ensure that we create the ET TAL; a personal term, a personal nomenclature, personal keywords; and to understand, to interpret; any Science we study.. The NOMENCLATURE of that SCIENCE must be known ; as well here, the History, the breeding experience(" don't open your lips until at least ??years they told MOI) maybe not the best advice in some cases of extraordinary Skills in creation of the QUEEN..IE Look, always to the ENERGIES of any YOUTH...
The Ideal Fantail is a Bird of MOTION {{ the "IN MOTION ;If we can SEE' that Any PIx or,rendering of same , cannot be JUDGED, as we Judge them in A SHOW PEN; due to the Requirements for CARRIAGE and MOTION!
This pix speaks for itself; see the FUTURE here written in the WIND of OUR TIME.
Show Orign of Key WORDS additional to 1950's Bolton/Kingy INTERPRETATION ; as well from Vincent; O'DELL thru out the History from PRE FIRETALK to date.
Jeff Batton has brought us from the days of Calcutta to the 1950's and the Harry LITTLE Standard update.
We are looking for the History from the 1950's to date; and this Mellennium, and the MODERN FANTAIL.
We have looked to the FOREFATHERS; Today, we look to the FOUNDING FATHERS of the MODERN, Mellenium FANTAIL.
THE STANDARD of PERFECTION is one of MINDS EYE, and in the TEXT; of that eye; to maintain the FOCUS of breeding the Meat and the Feather; without, INTERPRETATION ! Or, We each, can write from any Documents IE The STD of PERFECTION of the 1950's; the Bolton, KINGKINGER INTERPRETATION , same Era.
Show evolvement of THE Modern Fantail from pre FIRETALK; thru the FIRETALK TEAM.. to present Day;JEFF Battons History of Pre Calcutta thru Pre FIRETALK and so to ,TODAY; each Man, each contribution.. as we see it, as we Interpret .
Under-construction as time permits...
FURTHER, that this SHAPE, THIS PROFILE; THIS TYPE THREE PHENOTYPE; MUST be seen, and can likely ONLY be seen with a PROPER UNDER-CARRIAGE; in which the LEGS, are not only supporting the Specific , and defined BODEE and GR"S involved( interpreted from Key WORDS in the BOLTON/KINGKINGER INTERPRETATION; but also KEY WORDS of those "FIRE TALK DAYS" that have come from the 'Fathers' of the MODERN FANTAIL. } THAT, a relaxed, settled SHOW PEN SHAPE, is consistent with both the Balance of GR's(POLLY's BEER BELLY analogy) ; as well the Physical BALANCES(BVINCENT in tire Balancing analogy}that will take these specifics,so defined, and in a proper Sequencing of Genes from the Best POINT blending of Matings, of Families; so that we can SEE that "GOOD FANTAILS"(50-60 points) will become EXCELLENT FANTAILS 70, 70 plus POINTS ; coming even closer to the IDEA of personal minds eye; or High pointers in the 70-80-and 90 point range; dependent upon personal minds eye, which may or may not be consistant with the TYPE THREE, NEW TYPES that come in the TRI VIEWS(all) by O'DELL.
THE TRI VIEWS, as we call them; have gone thru; THEY all come of a more rigerous input than any other PIX;
THE DAT series, and the CIRCLES of ROUNDNESS, are POSTED; noting the position of the head outside the circle of round, which we feel gives the greatest ILLUSION OF ROUNDNESS, that can be created by the whole of the General REQUIREMENTS; as well the Skeleton, the Meat, the muscle, and the Ceramic Feather.
THE BEST VISUAL of ROUNDNESS, does not come from a comparison to a Baseball; but from the product , inclusive of the Skeleton, the meat, muscle, the ceramic feather,(GR'S follow) the circular tail, the proper head pocket & its position relative to the Circle of ROUNDNESS graphically, and realistically ROUND;the Forward to AFT Dimension, the width of the chest, which when these are approximately Equal, and looking for the least bodee height, and the Least Leg height from changing Direction at each Leg JOINT; ( a CUBE SHAPED BODEE, with the prefered meat, and feather, wing structure, also relative to feather structure will give the best ILLUSION, of GRAPHICAL ROUNDNESS. THE BASEBALL IS MANUFACTED ROUND and to its SIZE; the ROUNDNESS of the QUEEN, comes from the point Blending of Structures that are condusive to enhancing the refinement of ROUNDNESS, and this is but an ILLUSION ; A Product of all that is point blended.
IF we take the analogy's; we soon SEE, that it is the ET TAL, the totality's of GR's, and the THE SHAPE which comes of GR"S, with a Physical BALANCE, resulting from the BODEE dropping between directional segmented Joints of the LEGS,also a slight ROTATION, in which they seek a PHYSICAL BALANCE( PHYSICAL BALANCE is a PRODUCT of several Physical ATTRIBUTES; and , that the SHAPE that is created, also comes of UNDER-CARRIAGE, with proper LEGS for that, which they are Supporting; and it is not just these GR's being in the High POINTS; but that their interaction is such, that we can create this Shape to even greater heights of TYPE PERFECTION! THESE ARE FANTAILS, NOT SHOW RACERS, SHOW ROLLERS, or MODENAS with their TYPE; their COLOURATIONS, Markings, with their ABILITY to FLY..as in their days in Modena Italy..where Sundays were set aside for luring theirs to ours( LOFTS) GIGI was a known Fancier that handed birds over the Fences to American Fanciers...
We have come to realize, that NO MATTER the Keel Shape, A Mid WEST TYPE TWO is going to LOOK mighty FINE to everyone; if it has Matching Under-carrige( under-belly)and properly set LEGS; we just think that the short Keel with the PROPER under belly.. is ultimately the best chance of Creating the "LOW ROUNDER" that can WALK( this was a VINCENT TERM/KeyWORD! THIS TERM sums it up for US!
Place the right legs under ANY Phenotype.. and you have a TOPPER. Add some bodee depth; which means under-belly is longer lined,, away from the type two, up types, without bodee depth, and so under-belly; the "tiny up types" are devoid of bodee depth, but, they are also devoid of the LEGS that gives the ability to MOTION, and these approach the illusion of roundness, more so than the original, untainted, bred from the short keeled FATSO. These, can Walk, these are Short coupled as, are the original up types, devoid of bodee depth with their long keel;while the tiny up types, are LOW set, not just because of apple on a stick, and overly short, and STRAIGHT legged, but because they HAVE the shorter, or squarer KEELs..in this case shorter Keel; in the case of the UP TYPES, a wider keel comes from a point blending of KEEL SHAPES; like we broke the LINKAGE??..for long/ flights, and long tail feather.
Defintion The Mid west UP TYPES, can Walk all day; The Lefleur UP TYPES were called "BULLS" by us; they look TOOOO BIG, and they can WALK ...all day. THEY ALSO had the BODEE DEPTH! If we would not have had the MODTAILS, and we don't today, we will have to keep these BIGGER looking BULLS around to maintain the chance of creating the LOW ROUNDER with the ability to MOTION.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM TODAY: is that we do not have the fatso, that can walk, or NO, so we need to make fatso's that can pose, and push their genome into the Bigger( BULLS with the power, as well the ability to WALK...
Each PHENOTYPE, must have Matching LEGS..to perform; but to get a "LOW ROUNDER that can WALK..
"THE SMALLEST, the ROUNDEST, FANTAIL that can WALK is the IDEAL. So we think, that the Taller UP TYPES, are taller for two reasons, One is KEEL SHAPE; and two is that they DO NOT DROP BETWEEN; especially TRUE of the TINY CANUCK UP TYPES, with TOP TAIL, LARGE TAIL, Proper PROFIL; and a complete MISMATCHED set of overly short Legs; for which they are termed apple on a stick; THE TYPE TWO
has the rectangular KEEL.
When we LOOK to BODEE HEIGHT , with short legs, they cannot WALK; if we add Longer legs; we must look for the Body drop, through Directionally placed thru each Leg joint ; now, we look for the least bodee height( equal to, or less than the bodee depths and width( frill cobbiness, coupled with Modena keel shape, fatso, tiny up type keel shape) So now, we expect that the LEGS, with the long under belly line, will look the depest, which will be the roundness; especially when we have a square, shorter Keel, and the meat, muscle from Modena, cobbiness from Frill;and we know what matching, directional Legs will create.. THE TYPE THREE( DAT SERIES) Arena Ultima/ Inspiration from working with POGUE and Mckee.
Still, we did not see.. the Proper legs..:
again we separated the bodee height, from the Leg height; we saw that Directional leg from each JOINT.. gave them the power to tip toe, and to walk undauntedly; and then we saw them drop between when they settled, and in dropping, also seeking a mor Forward Reach point at their frontal..This we called the CHIRA SHAPE.. because we did not change the Phenotype until later( from long keel to short, from type one short legs to the longer , and stragter legs of the uptypes; now , we were seeing the Straighter legs moving with the relax mode/ settled.. THE CHIRA SHAPE is the same TYPE TWO, with bodee depth, the BULL.. bigger, big as hell; still..with straighter legs as seen in the ERVIN yel saddle rendering; and then we see the direction, at each JOINT..to where, the bodee drop , and the legs, become less long, like coils of a auto strut. ; to a point that the SHAPE is the LOW ROUNDER, that can WALK.. and a BULL up type, taller, only because of it Legs, rounder, if it is with short Keel, rather than the old up type are rectangular.. too boot, this rectangular bodee is setting on strighter legs, not as straight, or as long as the Pigmy pouter; still not as the coils on a car STRUT,,,maybe the idea of AIR SHOCKS will get the interpretation of the SHAPE differences, we call CHIRA; and we think Chira is like Balance in GR's, as well the Physical Balance.. Centripital, and centrificle..
We want the shorted bodee height dimension; we want the shortest looking legs ; that give the ability to WALK; they are not short apple on a stick, they are not straight, as in Pouters; they are directional, so that they show the lowness, yet maintain the ability to walk. And, the Chira shape, the low rounder, that can walk; comes only as a PRODUCT of GR's so defined , and coupled to the correctness of the legs and their under-carrige.
When we set the proper Foundation, the right widely set,and directional Leg segments ; we are approaching Further ILLUSIONs that create the TYPE THREE; WITHOUT jeopordizing the Ability to WALK, for the sake of the Profiled VISUAL, that looks LOW, but that is feather, without Meat,verses the hard bodee, and LEGS which bearly give a decent POSE.
Then the Judges are forced to give the nod to the UP TYPE(( see pix here..that can walk, tho.. it has rectangular keel,(yel saddle has squarer KEEL) zero bodee drop, straighter, but longer "LOOKING LEGS" and the position, in space of the( see Joint Pressure) skeletonal assembly, even when the Legs are MORE DIRECTIONAL than a POUTER; but less so to the TYPE THREE; and that the UNDER CARRIAGE of the yellow saddle, tho Directionally,still not dropping between as shown in OUR Modified yel saddle PIX;and a TYPE THREE, also has the proper Bodee depth, negative height dimensions, a cubic bodee ; which with a proper feathering, will still be the higher POINTER, with better Quality, and Balance in GR's, ..and lower, rounder!(ALMOST THERe WITH THIS..still text is forthcoming..)
The POUTER,,straight legged; the UP TYPE( distorted yellow saddle) ; then to THE Original yel saddle rendering; then to the Modified yellow saddle rendering ,Legs in yellow . verses original Black , which denotes the LOW ROUNDER THAT CAN WALK.
Likening this 'distorted Rendering' Look now, to the Leg joint Pressure Picture:
First we see, a similar Profile, as a result of Semi Pouter legs, coupled with the Skeleton from the PELVIS upward; sattisfied with that?; then look to the original yel saddle rendering, and see a different profile; still so subtle to SEE the Bodee dropping between the legs; but not just Dropping, but that the Skeleton above the PELVIS has rotated enought to Lower the Bodee height, giving an ILLUSION of more bodee depth ETC; while so very little must be refined to produce the TYPE THREE, LOW ROUNDER that can WALK.
When we said: The CHIRA SHAPE can come of the fatso genome, the Up type genomes; and that the major difference in SHAPE comes of the Change in the Physical BALANCE POINT; there being a slight adjustment to the UNDER-Carriage .
How close is BENNY's many time CHAMPION?...very close to a low ROUNDER, when we look to just PHYSICAL BALANCING , A feel for the Drum stick length gives us an idea if they will Drop,rotating to a Balance point, other than that of a TYPE TWO, that has upwritness, of both the Legs( joint to joint) and a more perpendicular height of the Skeleton above the pelvis.
THE TRUTH is found in the Meat and the Feather, LUCK., and aFancy for ILLUSIVE CREATION.
Noting the drop between in modified Black LIne from original yel saddle rendering; to the yellow line, indicates a Rotation, as well. This we call the CHIRA SHAPE; .
SHAPE..UP TYPE, incorrect Profile...incorrect up type, straighter legs, but not apple on a stick! BULL: proper PROFILE, MORE DIRECTIONAL LEG JOINTS; LESS HEIGHT from LEGS, also less Bodee height, from shorter/square vs rectangular keel of UP TYPES. UP TYPES with long Keel, appear less tall when they have more bodee drop, but are not the Exacting SHAPE when all GR's are Specifically idealistic ; and, each interacts with each other; the final touch of creation is when the FOUNDATION the LEGS, approach a PHYSICAL BALANCE that yields the LOW ROUNDER THAT CAN WALK.
un modified bshek meat and feather yellow saddle to rendered ERVIN rendering , without under-carriage defined, an uptype bull, with out Show pen relaxed state; straighter legs, less directional than bodee drop as seen in modified YeMAN?) llow saddle renderings pictured here
< ANDREW KERNS working with Odell to pave the way for the Individual CLUB, and their right to their NATIVE CULTURE; at the same time, and we have said it before; let their be INTERNATIONAL...; while preserving the right of the individual minds eye.. and that of the Individual CLUBS, and their CULTURE; while we so far away, can make theirs ours and make it better; altho my ET TAL.. my ILLUSION, MY FANCY; MY HOBBY; MY QUEEN is for the GOOD of THE FANCY, and that is INTERNATIONAL, with INTERNATION RECOGNITION(IE TREVOR JOSEPH, JOHN ARENA, HOWARD PIPER, and HOW MANY DO our INTERNATIONAL JUDGES.....KNOW!
We look at this meat & feather as the ultimate in inspiration to the FUTURE! We also look to its MATES!
AS with INSPIRATION, "THE ULTIMA" from JOHN ARENA: AUSTRALIA; sets the STANDARD, for "WHAT A STANDARD of PERFECTION is, the Text, the Keywords, in context; of that which is IDEAL; from IDEALISMS of the Individual MINDS EYE.
We have some notes to sum up some of those SWAG
Posts...Likely place it on a New URL page? NOTES need to be Organized?
ULTIMATELY, it will be the FOUNDATION of THE LEGS, which will Give us the "LOW ROUNDER" that can WALK.
And, depending, upon the BALANCE of the GENERAL REQUIREMENTS; ANY Phenotype will be come the SHAPE of a GOOD FANTAIL(50-60 pointer); We just think that the Roundness, the Smallness, with the ability to WALK or the baseball size, the ball roundness will come ONLY with some specifically defined STRUCTURAL Changes( such changes does give rise to CONCERN in some circles) OUR CONCERNS have long been set aside; tho we do not have the same approach to the Hobby .
dots for dimensional definetion oct 2006
UP-TYPE COLORED DOTS Oct 06
() green dots Fore to Aft , the bodee depth dimension
{}pink dots under-belly line
YELLOW DOTS ARE BODEE TO TOP TAIL PROPORTIONMENT, ALSO CALLED THE PROFILE; THE POLLY VISUAL
UP TYPE TWO , becomes a BIGGER BULL with bodee depth, and is preferred to make Low rounders that can walk.
Picture the up type with a lower top chest to floor dimension; look to the individuals legs; are the legs directional, or are they short, straight apple on a stick..?? Looking to the Directional leg segments; verses; the Pouter straightness;; then also to the bodee shape.. certainly, GR's; but also to the Skeletal Shape, and the plane it lies in space,,all give the Illusion of tallness, biggness; lowness,smallness, and ROUNDNESS.
oct 16th 2:36P
Looking upon these skeletons ,of course, shows the JOINT PRESSURE as applied to the UP TYPES; but ,if we look upon the bodee dropping between the properly widely set, LEGS, add the meat and the feather, and look to the Modified ERVIN RENDERING of the yellow saddle; and forcasting the changes to the SHAPE ,,the Phenotype from bodee drop,WITH.... Rotation , and asking ourselves, The 'Rotation', will change the shape, the height, the look of tallness, unless the bodee can give the ILLUSION of ROUNDNESS as a PRODUCT of the GR's: the sheletal, meat, the feather , ;but also the Product SHAPE due to Keel squareness, shorter Keel, means wider pelvis( stick drawings from Vincent , among other early warnings, over Concerns in Structure; however, the feared Changes, were due to NON conforming Interpretations of the Interpretation from BOLTON and KINGKINGER; yet, this proved to be as enlightening as any FAD might be in the hands of Master BREEDERS!
The FUTURA resulting from TK, TIM KVIDERA and J ARENA in those FIRETALK DAYS.
UNDER CONSTRUCTION
