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Smashing Pumpkins FAQ v4.10
Welcome to the Smashing Pumpkins Frequently Asked Questions file!
Changes/updates from the previous release are marked by a '*'.
Please read this entire FAQ before posting on the newsgroup or Listessa.
It contains an extremely large amount of information compiled over
several years, and will save a lot of time covering basic info. :)
If you're new to the internet or simply haven't read them yet, *PLEASE*
read the articles in the newsgroup "news.announce.newusers". They
contain a LOT of helpful information about Netiquette, how newsgroups
work, finding appropriate places to post, how to create meaningful
messages, where to find tons of info, and much more. -Every- net user
should read and be familiar with these.
NOTE: The original Smashing Pumpkins FAQ was operated by Eric Agnew, who
became unavailable online in April of 1997. Now, in November of 1998, I
have updated the FAQ (with the written consent of Eric) due to the great
deal of info available from the release of 'Adore'. I would like to make
clear at this time that I did not do the majority of the work here. I
simply added new info.
-= Table of Contents =-
0. Legal Disclaimer
1. General
1.1 Who are these Smashing Pumpkins?
1.2 General newsgroup/list info
1.3 Getting on and off Listessa
1.4 General netiquette
1.4a Flamewars and crossposting
1.5 Appropriate Subject lines
1.6 Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions
1.6a "Single" - radio vs CDS/7" etc.
1.7 "ObSP" - obligatory on-topicness
1.8 Things NOT to ask or bring up/threads which go nowhere*
1.9 Validity of information
2. Songs/Albums
2.1 Short discography*
2.2 Finding lyrics*
2.3 Guitar/bass tablature*
2.3b Piano score*
2.4 Cover songs
2.5 Unreleased songs*
2.6 Where to find given songs
2.7 Short guide to radio songs*
2.8 Songs sung by other members*
2.9 "Secret" messages/sounds
2.10 Song/album meanings
2.11 Vieuphoria's extra/unreleased songs
2.12 Differences between releases*
2.12a Gish - original/remastered
2.12b Siamese Dream - clean/explicit version, import
2.12c Mellon Collie 3LP*
2.12d Adore - Japanese version*
2.12e Earphoria - promo/bootleg
2.12f Import/domestic singles*
2.12g Vinyl - variant B-sides
2.13 Common/recurring lyrics
2.14 Photos/Cover art*
3. Band Info
3.1 Origin of name
3.2 First appearance*
3.3 Short Bios
3.4 Recording sessions*
3.5 Equipment
3.5a Special effects
3.5b EBow
3.6 Personal info for the prying fan
3.7 Sun Times' tiff
3.8 Silly rumors (Small Wonder, Sea Monkeys, etc.)
3.9 SP Fan Club
3.10 Contacting the band
4. Merchandise
4.1 Pricing/finding rarities
4.2 Books
4.3 T-Shirts
4.4 Videos
4.5 "Bootlegs"
4.6 Trading
4.7 Tape Trees
5. News/Info/Net Resources
5.1 Brief history/landmark events*
5.2 Double Door info
5.3 The keyboard/drummer events*
5.4 Tour info*
5.5 IRC info
5.6 Web links for cool stuff*
5.7 Other recommended sources
6. Miscellaneous/Semi-Related
6.1 Starchildren
6.2 Catherine
6.3 The Frogs
6.4 Scratchie Records
6.5 Cabal (...) / Junta (...)
7. Conclusion
7.1 Acknowledgments
7.2 Disclaimer
0. -Legal Disclaimer-
The Smashing Pumpkins FAQ is copyright (c) 1995-97 by Eric Agnew. It
is freely distributable online through Usenet, email, and ftp. It may
not be used for commercial purposes, nor may any charge be imposed for
its distribution. Mass distribution or otherwise non-personal use
prohibited without consent. If you wish to use part of this in an
article or publication, please CONTACT me first, or at least include my
name as a reference for where you found the info - it does take work to
compile and maintain this information, and I'd like to be credited as
such if you decide to use it. :) Offers for translations are
welcome. Links to the main URL are welcome, but I'd prefer that
copies not be kept on other sites (save for the automatic storage by
RTFM and similar FAQ-oriented sites, and the 4 main SP sites,
mentioned below), so that the most current version is always the one
available. Overall, though, give credit where it's due.
1. -General-
1.1 Who are these Smashing Pumpkins?
The Smashing Pumpkins are perhaps one of the most successful
"alternative" bands of today. Chances are, if you've ever watched MTV or
listened to the radio more than once or twice, you've either seen one of
their videos or heard one of their songs.
The band consists of Billy Corgan on lead vocals & guitar, James Iha on
guitar, and D'Arcy on bass. Their recent touring drummer, formerly of
John Mellencamp fame, who joined them during the spring of 1998. When
their former drummer, Jimmy Chamberlin, was- to put it nicely- released
from the band to go into rehab, the Pumpkins hired drummer Matt Walker
from Filter for the remainder of the Mellon Collie Tour. See 5.3 for
more on that whole deal.
The Pumpkins have won many awards, gone on several major tours, appeared
on several movie soundtracks, and released a rather large number of songs
in a fairly short time. Keep on reading for tons of info!
1.2 General newsgroup/list info
The Smashing Pumpkins newsgroup, alt.music.smash-pumpkins, and the
mailing list, Listessa, are primarily places to discuss the Smashing
Pumpkins. However, not every post/message will be. Topics range from
lyrical discussions to new song info, personal SP stories, and even more
general social interaction. Try to stay as much on-topic as possible,
and if a thread develops that you aren't interested in, ignore it- it
will die out eventually. Complaining about certain threads usually just
makes matters worse by prolonging them and generating meta-threads.
1.3 Getting on and off Listessa
First, make sure the list is operational. You can do this by checking the
Official Listessa Web Site at http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/ and
checking to see if there's a smiley face or a sad face. Click on the
face for more info and special instructions.
To subscribe to Listessa, send a message to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca with
the following message body:
subscribe smashing-pumpkins (your name)
Insert your name (omit parentheses) and disregard the subject line. If
all goes well, you will soon get a welcome message, which will include
the Listessa FAQ, also available at http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/
READ THIS! It contains the rules & guidelines of the list, as well as
other special instructions.
To post a message to the list, simply reply to any of its messages, or
start a new message addressed to: smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca
Please quote only what is necessary, not entire digests. :)
Here's how to unsubscribe, straight from the Listessa FAQ:
-=-=-
To unsubscribe from the SP mailing list, send a letter to
listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca (-=NOT=- smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca )
with the following, and -=ONLY=- the following, in the body of the
letter:
unsub smashing-pumpkins
Do -=NOT=- include your e-mail address, a signature file, the name of
your pet hamster, or any other information in the letter.
Please note: after you unsubscribe, you will receive a letter saying
'Thanks for being with us.' You may still receive a few letters from the
list after this. Do not be alarmed, this is normal. If, a day later, you
are still getting letters, and you are sure you have followed the
instructions correctly, feel free to write Karl_Daher@mbnet.mb.ca for
help. I log in one or two times a day to maintain the list.
-=-=-
Do NOT post a message to the list asking how to get off, or to be taken
off. It's very annoying, and will not work.
For more info, check the listessa web site or send a message with the
body "help" to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca
1.4 General netiquette
First off, read news.announce.newusers, taking special note at the posts
dealing with Usenet and Netiquette. If you have general questions after
reading these, check in news.newusers.questions.
Rules that apply everywhere: Do not post "Make Money Fast" or any of its
variants. Yes, it really is illegal (even though some copies say it's
not, and even give a legal code to refer to), and it's just plain
annoying. Also, do not post advertisements unless they're clearly
on-topic and posted ONCE. See "Advertising on Usenet: How To Do It, How
Not To Do It" in, once again, news.announce.newusers
Overall, keep in mind that many people read and post, and that people
have different opinions. Don't start yelling at someone simply because
they don't agree with you or have the same tastes & opinions.
Avoid bashing new fans. Unless you've been attached to Billy's hip since
birth, there's someone out there that's known about them longer than you
have, too. Everyone has to start somewhere. A nice, polite reference to
the FAQ and appropriate web sites would suffice. :)
Also, please READ the messages before writing. If there's been a recent
announcement, someone's probably already posted it. Check the thread to
see how many replies there are before simply putting up another copy of
the same info- it'll save your time as well as ensuring that others won't
have to read it more than once. Threaded newsreaders are definitely a
plus here. :)
1.4a Flamewars and crossposting
On Usenet, be sure to check the "Newsgroups:" line if something seems
unusually strange or off-topic. Things like "What is the best
alternative band of the 90s?" (usually in caps) are giveaways, and are
simply posted to every newsgroup to start people arguing. Many people
demand to know why a post about another band is in "their" newsgroup
without realizing that it's in the other as well. If you reply to a
cross-post, remove the other newsgroups from the "Newsgroups:" line, so
that it doesn't go to every other group.
Flamewars erupt often, and there's little that can be done about it. The
best thing you can possibly do is ignore it. Some people just say
something extremely rude and then leave immediately, so they won't even
see your reply. Others will just TRY to get you pissed off at them and
generate angry replies. If you must reply, do it over email. If it
continues to bother you and won't go away, killfile that thread, or just
don't read it. Just don't feed the fire.
Likewise, don't start flames, as they're obviously not on-topic. Sure,
you can yell "BUSH SUCKS!" and get a lot of people to agree with you, but
some people won't. Besides that, it's not alt.music.smash-pumpkins, not
alt.flame.bush (or Manson, or Spice Girls, or Hanson, etc.). If someone
casually mentions liking a band that you don't, explain why if you must,
but don't simply yell "They fucking suck!" and leave it at that. Such
pointless arguments go nowhere.
1.5 Appropriate Subject lines
Use appropriate subject lines whenever starting a new thread. It's much
easier to decide whether you want to read "Wanted: Siamese Singles box
set" than "Re: Smashing Pumpkins Digest #342". Be specific.
Also, the use of certain indicators can be quite helpful. Josh Sherman
suggested the use of "Tan:" to precede any subject that doesn't directly
deal with SP (a tangent thread), so those who don't wish to read such
messages can easily identify and skip over them. Other helpful headers
are as follows:
FS: For Sale (for Listessa, use the marketplace- details in the List
FAQ)
Lyr: New lyrics
Req: Request for info, tab, lyrics, etc. (please check the FAQ and web
sites first, as there is a LOT already out there that's just waiting
to be found and looked up- it's not hard to find)
Tab: Tablature
Q: Question
WTB: Wanted To Buy (indicates that you want something)
Other pre-subject headers can be helpful, such as "Announcement:" or "New
Site:". Just be specific in indicating what the message is about. Do
NOT use misleading subject lines just to get people to read your post,
though- messages with subjects like "Free surprise concert at Metro this
weekend!" or "Billy dies in car accident" that start out with "Now that I
got you to read this..." usually don't get read much further and usually
just tend to piss people off.
1.6 Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions
Common SP-related/song acronyms:
------------------------
AA - Ava Adore (Adore song/single)
amsp - alt.music.smash-pumpkins, the newsgroup
BC - Billy Corgan
BwBW - Bullet with Butterfly Wings (MCIS song/single)
CR - Cherub Rock (SD song/single)
DD - Double Door, a bar in Chicago (see 5.2)
ITAOS - In the Arms of Sleep (MCIS song)
MCIS - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (latest studio 2CD/3LP)
ng - newsgroup
PI - Pisces Iscariot (B-sides compilation from 10/94)
PM - Pastichio Medley (23-minute conglomeration of 70 song snippets,
found on Zero EP)
SD - Siamese Dream (2nd studio album, breakthrough release)
SP - Smashing Pumpkins (need I say more?)
STRTJ - Set the Ray to Jerry (1979 B-side)
TAFH - The Aeroplane Flies High (latest box set of MCIS CD singles)
TEITBITE - The End is the Beginning is the End (song from Batman and
Robin soundtrack)
TBITEITB - The Beginning is the End is the Beginning (its counterpart)
TOASE - Tales of a Scorched Earth (MCIS song)
TT - Tonight, Tonight (MCIS song, single)
TTEOR - Thru the Eyes of Ruby (MCIS song)
WBFTT - Where Boys Fear to Tread (MCIS song)
XYU - not an acronym, as many ask about, but a homonym for "Ex, why
you?" Answered by the man himself.
YAIGT - You're All I've Got Tonight (Cars cover in TAFH box set)
Other common general acronyms:
------------------------------
AFAIK - As Far As I Know
aka - Also Known As
CD - Compact Disc
CDS - CD single (i.e. BwBW)
FS - For Sale (helpful in subject line)
FT - For Trade (helpful in subject line)
FWIW - For What It's Worth
HTH - Hope This Helps (usually said sarcastically)
IMHO - In My (Humble|Honest) Opinion
LOL - Laughing Out Loud
NP: - Now Playing (used at ends of messages to indicate what poster
was listening to at the time of posting)
ROFL - Rolling On the Floor, Laughing (also ROFLMAO, adding "My Ass
Off")
RTFM - Read The Fine Manual (although 'Fine' is often replaced by
another word of the user's choice) :)
UCE - Unsolicited Commercial Email (aka email spam)
WTB - Wanted To Buy (helpful in subject line)
WTT - Wanted To Trade (helpful in subject line)
YHBT. HAND. - You Have Been Trolled(+). Have A Nice Day.
(+see below for definition)
Most other abbreviations are songs. If it's not immediately
recognizable, just think & you should be able to figure it out.
Common definitions:
-------------------
:-) - a smiley face (tilt your head to the left), used to denote
humor and/or sarcasm (variants: :P" :( >:( ;) etc.)
B-side - a song found on a single that isn't the title track (i.e. "The
Last Song"). Named from the days of vinyl, when 45s had a popular
song on one side (the A-side) and another, perhaps unreleased song
on the other (the B-side). Third songs on vinyl are thus referred
to as C-sides
Bootleg - an unofficial recording, referring either to someone's personal
tape or DAT recording of a live show, or a bootleg company's CD
pressing of such a recording, or of unreleased studio demos (see
4.5)
EP - stands for "Extended Play", as opposed to an LP (Long Play).
Generally shorter than a full release (LP), but usually longer
than a single. Example: Lull EP, Peel Sessions, Zero EP
Flame - a message that harshly ridicules someone else or their opinion
through the use of personal attack rather than reason & logic.
Usually feature lots of capital letters, exclamation marks,
obscene and derogatory remarks, and misspelled words. :)
Killfile- a feature of good newsreaders (AOL and Netscape News not
included) that allows users to specify names, subject lines, or
other patterns (even entire domains) which they don't want to
read. Upon reading news, these patterns are automatically
"killed", and the reader never has to see those messages. Useful
for ignoring/avoiding heavy crossposts, lame threads, or messages
from anyone you simply don't want to read from. :)
- the sound of someone being added to a killfile (i.e. if someone
plonks you, they've added you to their killfile, which means
they'll never see another message from your email address again)
.sig - short for signature, a small file automatically appended to the
end of all outgoing messages and/or posts. Generally includes
name, email address, URL, and/or a clever quote, etc. Netique
Smashing Pumpkins FAQ v4.10 Copyright © Starla [http://www.starla.org/faq.html]. All rights reserved. Revised: February 28, 1999.
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Smashing Pumpkins FAQ v4.10
Welcome to the Smashing Pumpkins Frequently Asked Questions file!
Changes/updates from the previous release are marked by a '*'.
Please read this entire FAQ before posting on the newsgroup or Listessa.
It contains an extremely large amount of information compiled over
several years, and will save a lot of time covering basic info. :)
If you're new to the internet or simply haven't read them yet, *PLEASE*
read the articles in the newsgroup "news.announce.newusers". They
contain a LOT of helpful information about Netiquette, how newsgroups
work, finding appropriate places to post, how to create meaningful
messages, where to find tons of info, and much more. -Every- net user
should read and be familiar with these.
NOTE: The original Smashing Pumpkins FAQ was operated by Eric Agnew, who
became unavailable online in April of 1997. Now, in November of 1998, I
have updated the FAQ (with the written consent of Eric) due to the great
deal of info available from the release of 'Adore'. I would like to make
clear at this time that I did not do the majority of the work here. I
simply added new info.
-= Table of Contents =-
0. Legal Disclaimer
1. General
1.1 Who are these Smashing Pumpkins?
1.2 General newsgroup/list info
1.3 Getting on and off Listessa
1.4 General netiquette
1.4a Flamewars and crossposting
1.5 Appropriate Subject lines
1.6 Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions
1.6a "Single" - radio vs CDS/7" etc.
1.7 "ObSP" - obligatory on-topicness
1.8 Things NOT to ask or bring up/threads which go nowhere*
1.9 Validity of information
2. Songs/Albums
2.1 Short discography*
2.2 Finding lyrics*
2.3 Guitar/bass tablature*
2.3b Piano score*
2.4 Cover songs
2.5 Unreleased songs*
2.6 Where to find given songs
2.7 Short guide to radio songs*
2.8 Songs sung by other members*
2.9 "Secret" messages/sounds
2.10 Song/album meanings
2.11 Vieuphoria's extra/unreleased songs
2.12 Differences between releases*
2.12a Gish - original/remastered
2.12b Siamese Dream - clean/explicit version, import
2.12c Mellon Collie 3LP*
2.12d Adore - Japanese version*
2.12e Earphoria - promo/bootleg
2.12f Import/domestic singles*
2.12g Vinyl - variant B-sides
2.13 Common/recurring lyrics
2.14 Photos/Cover art*
3. Band Info
3.1 Origin of name
3.2 First appearance*
3.3 Short Bios
3.4 Recording sessions*
3.5 Equipment
3.5a Special effects
3.5b EBow
3.6 Personal info for the prying fan
3.7 Sun Times' tiff
3.8 Silly rumors (Small Wonder, Sea Monkeys, etc.)
3.9 SP Fan Club
3.10 Contacting the band
4. Merchandise
4.1 Pricing/finding rarities
4.2 Books
4.3 T-Shirts
4.4 Videos
4.5 "Bootlegs"
4.6 Trading
4.7 Tape Trees
5. News/Info/Net Resources
5.1 Brief history/landmark events*
5.2 Double Door info
5.3 The keyboard/drummer events*
5.4 Tour info*
5.5 IRC info
5.6 Web links for cool stuff*
5.7 Other recommended sources
6. Miscellaneous/Semi-Related
6.1 Starchildren
6.2 Catherine
6.3 The Frogs
6.4 Scratchie Records
6.5 Cabal (...) / Junta (...)
7. Conclusion
7.1 Acknowledgments
7.2 Disclaimer
0. -Legal Disclaimer-
The Smashing Pumpkins FAQ is copyright (c) 1995-97 by Eric Agnew. It
is freely distributable online through Usenet, email, and ftp. It may
not be used for commercial purposes, nor may any charge be imposed for
its distribution. Mass distribution or otherwise non-personal use
prohibited without consent. If you wish to use part of this in an
article or publication, please CONTACT me first, or at least include my
name as a reference for where you found the info - it does take work to
compile and maintain this information, and I'd like to be credited as
such if you decide to use it. :) Offers for translations are
welcome. Links to the main URL are welcome, but I'd prefer that
copies not be kept on other sites (save for the automatic storage by
RTFM and similar FAQ-oriented sites, and the 4 main SP sites,
mentioned below), so that the most current version is always the one
available. Overall, though, give credit where it's due.
1. -General-
1.1 Who are these Smashing Pumpkins?
The Smashing Pumpkins are perhaps one of the most successful
"alternative" bands of today. Chances are, if you've ever watched MTV or
listened to the radio more than once or twice, you've either seen one of
their videos or heard one of their songs.
The band consists of Billy Corgan on lead vocals & guitar, James Iha on
guitar, and D'Arcy on bass. Their recent touring drummer, formerly of
John Mellencamp fame, who joined them during the spring of 1998. When
their former drummer, Jimmy Chamberlin, was- to put it nicely- released
from the band to go into rehab, the Pumpkins hired drummer Matt Walker
from Filter for the remainder of the Mellon Collie Tour. See 5.3 for
more on that whole deal.
The Pumpkins have won many awards, gone on several major tours, appeared
on several movie soundtracks, and released a rather large number of songs
in a fairly short time. Keep on reading for tons of info!
1.2 General newsgroup/list info
The Smashing Pumpkins newsgroup, alt.music.smash-pumpkins, and the
mailing list, Listessa, are primarily places to discuss the Smashing
Pumpkins. However, not every post/message will be. Topics range from
lyrical discussions to new song info, personal SP stories, and even more
general social interaction. Try to stay as much on-topic as possible,
and if a thread develops that you aren't interested in, ignore it- it
will die out eventually. Complaining about certain threads usually just
makes matters worse by prolonging them and generating meta-threads.
1.3 Getting on and off Listessa
First, make sure the list is operational. You can do this by checking the
Official Listessa Web Site at http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/ and
checking to see if there's a smiley face or a sad face. Click on the
face for more info and special instructions.
To subscribe to Listessa, send a message to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca with
the following message body:
subscribe smashing-pumpkins (your name)
Insert your name (omit parentheses) and disregard the subject line. If
all goes well, you will soon get a welcome message, which will include
the Listessa FAQ, also available at http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/
READ THIS! It contains the rules & guidelines of the list, as well as
other special instructions.
To post a message to the list, simply reply to any of its messages, or
start a new message addressed to: smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca
Please quote only what is necessary, not entire digests. :)
Here's how to unsubscribe, straight from the Listessa FAQ:
-=-=-
To unsubscribe from the SP mailing list, send a letter to
listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca (-=NOT=- smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca )
with the following, and -=ONLY=- the following, in the body of the
letter:
unsub smashing-pumpkins
Do -=NOT=- include your e-mail address, a signature file, the name of
your pet hamster, or any other information in the letter.
Please note: after you unsubscribe, you will receive a letter saying
'Thanks for being with us.' You may still receive a few letters from the
list after this. Do not be alarmed, this is normal. If, a day later, you
are still getting letters, and you are sure you have followed the
instructions correctly, feel free to write Karl_Daher@mbnet.mb.ca for
help. I log in one or two times a day to maintain the list.
-=-=-
Do NOT post a message to the list asking how to get off, or to be taken
off. It's very annoying, and will not work.
For more info, check the listessa web site or send a message with the
body "help" to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca
1.4 General netiquette
First off, read news.announce.newusers, taking special note at the posts
dealing with Usenet and Netiquette. If you have general questions after
reading these, check in news.newusers.questions.
Rules that apply everywhere: Do not post "Make Money Fast" or any of its
variants. Yes, it really is illegal (even though some copies say it's
not, and even give a legal code to refer to), and it's just plain
annoying. Also, do not post advertisements unless they're clearly
on-topic and posted ONCE. See "Advertising on Usenet: How To Do It, How
Not To Do It" in, once again, news.announce.newusers
Overall, keep in mind that many people read and post, and that people
have different opinions. Don't start yelling at someone simply because
they don't agree with you or have the same tastes & opinions.
Avoid bashing new fans. Unless you've been attached to Billy's hip since
birth, there's someone out there that's known about them longer than you
have, too. Everyone has to start somewhere. A nice, polite reference to
the FAQ and appropriate web sites would suffice. :)
Also, please READ the messages before writing. If there's been a recent
announcement, someone's probably already posted it. Check the thread to
see how many replies there are before simply putting up another copy of
the same info- it'll save your time as well as ensuring that others won't
have to read it more than once. Threaded newsreaders are definitely a
plus here. :)
1.4a Flamewars and crossposting
On Usenet, be sure to check the "Newsgroups:" line if something seems
unusually strange or off-topic. Things like "What is the best
alternative band of the 90s?" (usually in caps) are giveaways, and are
simply posted to every newsgroup to start people arguing. Many people
demand to know why a post about another band is in "their" newsgroup
without realizing that it's in the other as well. If you reply to a
cross-post, remove the other newsgroups from the "Newsgroups:" line, so
that it doesn't go to every other group.
Flamewars erupt often, and there's little that can be done about it. The
best thing you can possibly do is ignore it. Some people just say
something extremely rude and then leave immediately, so they won't even
see your reply. Others will just TRY to get you pissed off at them and
generate angry replies. If you must reply, do it over email. If it
continues to bother you and won't go away, killfile that thread, or just
don't read it. Just don't feed the fire.
Likewise, don't start flames, as they're obviously not on-topic. Sure,
you can yell "BUSH SUCKS!" and get a lot of people to agree with you, but
some people won't. Besides that, it's not alt.music.smash-pumpkins, not
alt.flame.bush (or Manson, or Spice Girls, or Hanson, etc.). If someone
casually mentions liking a band that you don't, explain why if you must,
but don't simply yell "They fucking suck!" and leave it at that. Such
pointless arguments go nowhere.
1.5 Appropriate Subject lines
Use appropriate subject lines whenever starting a new thread. It's much
easier to decide whether you want to read "Wanted: Siamese Singles box
set" than "Re: Smashing Pumpkins Digest #342". Be specific.
Also, the use of certain indicators can be quite helpful. Josh Sherman
suggested the use of "Tan:" to precede any subject that doesn't directly
deal with SP (a tangent thread), so those who don't wish to read such
messages can easily identify and skip over them. Other helpful headers
are as follows:
FS: For Sale (for Listessa, use the marketplace- details in the List
FAQ)
Lyr: New lyrics
Req: Request for info, tab, lyrics, etc. (please check the FAQ and web
sites first, as there is a LOT already out there that's just waiting
to be found and looked up- it's not hard to find)
Tab: Tablature
Q: Question
WTB: Wanted To Buy (indicates that you want something)
Other pre-subject headers can be helpful, such as "Announcement:" or "New
Site:". Just be specific in indicating what the message is about. Do
NOT use misleading subject lines just to get people to read your post,
though- messages with subjects like "Free surprise concert at Metro this
weekend!" or "Billy dies in car accident" that start out with "Now that I
got you to read this..." usually don't get read much further and usually
just tend to piss people off.
1.6 Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions
Common SP-related/song acronyms:
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AA - Ava Adore (Adore song/single)
amsp - alt.music.smash-pumpkins, the newsgroup
BC - Billy Corgan
BwBW - Bullet with Butterfly Wings (MCIS song/single)
CR - Cherub Rock (SD song/single)
DD - Double Door, a bar in Chicago (see 5.2)
ITAOS - In the Arms of Sleep (MCIS song)
MCIS - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (latest studio 2CD/3LP)
ng - newsgroup
PI - Pisces Iscariot (B-sides compilation from 10/94)
PM - Pastichio Medley (23-minute conglomeration of 70 song snippets,
found on Zero EP)
SD - Siamese Dream (2nd studio album, breakthrough release)
SP - Smashing Pumpkins (need I say more?)
STRTJ - Set the Ray to Jerry (1979 B-side)
TAFH - The Aeroplane Flies High (latest box set of MCIS CD singles)
TEITBITE - The End is the Beginning is the End (song from Batman and
Robin soundtrack)
TBITEITB - The Beginning is the End is the Beginning (its counterpart)
TOASE - Tales of a Scorched Earth (MCIS song)
TT - Tonight, Tonight (MCIS song, single)
TTEOR - Thru the Eyes of Ruby (MCIS song)
WBFTT - Where Boys Fear to Tread (MCIS song)
XYU - not an acronym, as many ask about, but a homonym for "Ex, why
you?" Answered by the man himself.
YAIGT - You're All I've Got Tonight (Cars cover in TAFH box set)
Other common general acronyms:
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AFAIK - As Far As I Know
aka - Also Known As
CD - Compact Disc
CDS - CD single (i.e. BwBW)
FS - For Sale (helpful in subject line)
FT - For Trade (helpful in subject line)
FWIW - For What It's Worth
HTH - Hope This Helps (usually said sarcastically)
IMHO - In My (Humble|Honest) Opinion
LOL - Laughing Out Loud
NP: - Now Playing (used at ends of messages to indicate what poster
was listening to at the time of posting)
ROFL - Rolling On the Floor, Laughing (also ROFLMAO, adding "My Ass
Off")
RTFM - Read The Fine Manual (although 'Fine' is often replaced by
another word of the user's choice) :)
UCE - Unsolicited Commercial Email (aka email spam)
WTB - Wanted To Buy (helpful in subject line)
WTT - Wanted To Trade (helpful in subject line)
YHBT. HAND. - You Have Been Trolled(+). Have A Nice Day.
(+see below for definition)
Most other abbreviations are songs. If it's not immediately
recognizable, just think & you should be able to figure it out.
Common definitions:
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:-) - a smiley face (tilt your head to the left), used to denote
humor and/or sarcasm (variants: :P" :( >:( ;) etc.)
B-side - a song found on a single that isn't the title track (i.e. "The
Last Song"). Named from the days of vinyl, when 45s had a popular
song on one side (the A-side) and another, perhaps unreleased song
on the other (the B-side). Third songs on vinyl are thus referred
to as C-sides
Bootleg - an unofficial recording, referring either to someone's personal
tape or DAT recording of a live show, or a bootleg company's CD
pressing of such a recording, or of unreleased studio demos (see
4.5)
EP - stands for "Extended Play", as opposed to an LP (Long Play).
Generally shorter than a full release (LP), but usually longer
than a single. Example: Lull EP, Peel Sessions, Zero EP
Flame - a message that harshly ridicules someone else or their opinion
through the use of personal attack rather than reason & logic.
Usually feature lots of capital letters, exclamation marks,
obscene and derogatory remarks, and misspelled words. :)
Killfile- a feature of good newsreaders (AOL and Netscape News not
included) that allows users to specify names, subject lines, or
other patterns (even entire domains) which they don't want to
read. Upon reading news, these patterns are automatically
"killed", and the reader never has to see those messages. Useful
for ignoring/avoiding heavy crossposts, lame threads, or messages
from anyone you simply don't want to read from. :)
- the sound of someone being added to a killfile (i.e. if someone
plonks you, they've added you to their killfile, which means
they'll never see another message from your email address again)
.sig - short for signature, a small file automatically appended to the
end of all outgoing messages and/or posts. Generally includes
name, email address, URL, and/or a clever quote, etc. Netiquette
standards allow for 4 lines- anything longer is usually frowned
upon, and large ASCII art is almost always complained about. Keep
in mind that it's something people are going to see every time you
write, then keep it accordingly short and sweet. :)
Thread - a group of messages with the same subject or subject line.
Good newsreaders will group these together so they're read in
order of replies.
Troll - a post specifically designed to generate as many replies as
possible (usually in the form of a blatant flame, obviously
incorrect information, or (missed) sarcasm). Most likely named
after a fishing technique
yelling - using all capital letters (usually considered rude and
annoying) Also known as shouting, screaming, etc.
1.6a "Singles" - radio vs CDS/7" etc.
Most people seem to forget that there is a difference between a radio's
and a record store's definition of the word "single". A radio station
will call anything that's been released for radio play "the new single,"
regardless of whether you can go to your local music store and buy a
copy. Many more songs are released to the radios for airplay than are
pressed on CDSs. If you're lucky, have connections, or find a cool
store, you might be able to buy a radio promo, but it's usually one track
only.
Release dates are also different- radio stations are usually allowed to
play a song several weeks before it is available for purchase on CDS
format (if it ever is). Example: on 9/29/95, radios started playing
BwBW, "the new single from SP." On 10/24, you could go to the store and
buy BwBW on CDS, with "...Said Sadly" as a B-Side (see 1.5). The next
year, Muzzle was on the radio quite often, and was still called "the new
single" even though it was never pressed and sold as a CDS. So, if you
see a release date, or wonder why the record store doesn't have "the new
single" they've been playing on the radio, keep this difference in mind.
:)
1.7 "ObSP" - obligatory on-topicness
Since most people prefer to read messages that are on-topic, off-topic
messages should at least include a little bit of on-topic material. The
"ObSP" is short for "Obligatory SP", and is usually a short, on-topic
blurb used to make an otherwise off-topic message at least -somewhat-
relevant to most readers.
1.8 Things NOT to ask or bring up/threads which go nowhere
The following questions should not be asked:
-What's that Depeche Mode cover? Where can I get it?
-How do I get on/off the mailing list?
-When are they touring in my city?
-When's the new album/single?
-What is a true fan?
Above questions have been asked to the point of extreme annoyance, and as
the answers are all in well-known locations, they shouldn't need to be
asked. Release dates are on most well-updated web sites, as well as
easily found by reading through the newsgroup before asking it yet again.
SmashingPumpkins.Org can tell you about the DM cover. The Listessa FAQ
clearly states how to get on/off the list. And all tour info can be
found via Josh Provost's SPLRA site. And there is no definition for a
true fan. Billy hit it right on the money when he said (and I'm
paraphrasing here), "A true fan is someone that will give the band's next
record a chance. Not just one listen, but a few, just to make sure they
really don't like it". (For the true quote, track down the 1998 Rockline
interview with the band).
Those URLS are:
SmashingPumpkins.Org: http://www.smashingpumpkins.org/
Listessa: http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/
Tour: http://www.starla.org/splra/
The following information has also been brought up countless times,
and should be regarded as common knowledge:
-"Tristessa" means "sadness" in Spanish, French, Italian, Latin, etc.
(actual spellings may vary slightly), and was the title of a book by
Jack Kerouac.
-"Soma" was a drug in the book _Brave New World_, greek for "body", a
legendary place where people sleep for a billion years, various religious
entities, and about a million other things. We've heard it before. Many
many many times before... :P"
-If you hold up the back of the PI CD to the light, you can see Billy
through the white thingy on the back. According to someone who worked
with the band, BC said this was a complete accident.
-The same trick works for the liner with the fish pan & the necklace-
looking at both sides through the light looks like an eyeball. Ooooh.
Wow.
-Any thread relating a song's meaning to drugs, Kurt Cobain, Marylin
Manson... etc. Usually those threads just start flame wars, so they're
best avoided.
-Threads bashing other bands. Two words: counter-productive. Such
threads accomplish nothing but flame wars.
-Threads about moshing. Opinions will vary, but are unlikely to change
as a result of an argument.
-"Selling Out". People have their own definitions thereof, ranging
anywhere from simply signing a record contract to changing their own art
or image purely to make money. Sure, Billy said they sold out. Who
cares? Has the integrity of their music changed? No. Check out the
text from the back of the SP Heart shirt (section 4.7, #3), or see Tool's
song "Hooker with a Penis" on the Toolshed at
http://toolshed.down.net/lyrics/hooker.html
-Silly rumors. See 3.8.
1.9 Validity of information
Don't believe everything you read. Especially if it involves secret
concerts, reported band members deaths, or super-special releases. Take
special care on April Fool's Day (the 1st), as even reliable sources of
info are known to pull the occasional prank.
If something is true, it should have a reliable source or reference. "I
heard on the radio" does NOT count, as radios often go by rumors, and
some people just say that to spread rumors. If CD Europe says they have
a special box set for $150 with super secret, rare, unreleased tracks on
it, save your money. If someone announces a release date for something,
check to see if it's real/correct before demanding to know why your local
store/station doesn't have it yet. And if someone says their brother saw
on MTV that Billy died, don't believe it for a second.
When something IS reliable, it will come from a real source. Press
releases are released by Associated Press and/or SP's publicist- but keep
in mind that these can be faked as well (check to see who posted it).
Web zines such as ATN are usually accurate (ATN's music news of the week
can be found at http://www.addict.com/html/lofi/MNOTW/). MTV News and
magazine interviews are -usually- accurate, although anything the band
says should often be taken with a grain of salt (i.e. not completely
seriously).
Anything regarding the death, overdose, suicide, etc. of any band member,
no matter how official it looks (yes, these have been faked before),
should NOT be believed until you see it on MTV News every hour, you hear
it on every radio station, and you see HUNDREDS of posts about it on the
list and newsgroup. See 5.3.
2. -Songs/Albums-
2.1 Short discography
Gish (1991) - single for "I Am One", 'Lull' EP for "Rhinoceros"
Peel Sessions (1992) - Siva (different version), Girl Named Sandoz,
Smiley
Siamese Dream (1993) - singles for "Cherub Rock", "Today", "Disarm" and
"Rocket"
Pisces Iscariot (1994) - B-sides from previous singles, some unreleased
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (1995) - singles for "Bullet with
Butterfly Wings", "1979", "Zero", "Tonight, Tonight", and
"Thirty-Three"
The Aeroplane Flies High (1996) - all MCIS singles & B-sides, plus 5
covers
Adore (1998) - includes singles "Ava Adore", "Perfect", and
"Crestfallen".
Several soundtracks & compilation CDs also have unique tracks. For more
info, check out the complete discography, maintained by Dave Asselin at:
http://www.xero.com/sp/spdiscog.txt OR, the visually-stimulating
discography by Steve Hemming at
http://www.smashing-pumpkins.net/discography/disco.html
2.2 Finding lyrics
At this time, there is no completely comprehensive (and original) lyrics
site. Two original-work sites are currently in progress, so this will be
updated when they are completed. At the moment, the best source is
Siva:
http://blamo.simplenet.com/sp/
2.3 Guitar/bass tablature
Guitar tablature can be found at various SP web sites. The site with the
most tablature I'm aware of is at Starla.org. Follow the link there.
More guitar tablature can be found at OLGA (the OnLine Guitar Archive)
and its mirrors: http://www.olga.net/
2.3b Piano score
Piano scores of songs like "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness",
"Thru The Eyes of Ruby", and "Farewell & Goodnight" can be found at:
http://www.onr.com/user/bent/score
2.4 Cover songs
Songs that have been covered by SP and which appear on official releases
are as follows:
Song Title: Original Artist: Where Found:
Clones (We're All) Alice Cooper TAFH box set
Dancing in the Moonlight Thin Lizzy Disarm single (Heart)
Destination Unknown Missing Person TAFH box set
Dreamin' Blondie TAFH box set
Girl Named Sandoz The Animals Peel Sessions, PI
Jackie Blue Ozark Mtn Daredevils K-Tel compilation
Landslide Fleetwood Mac PI, Disarm (Heart)
My Blue Heaven Whiting/Donaldson 33 single, TAFH box set
Never Let Me Down Again Depeche Mode Rocket single
A Night Like This The Cure TAFH box set
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