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Frequently Asked Questions

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Due to repetitive questions regarding our products, we have made a special page for Frequently Asked Questions. (and due to recent "email blast", we compile the faq in categories below).

ELECTRONICS

Q: What is the difference between the IDERC1 and IDERC4?
Q: My Personal Computer doesn't have a serial port?
Q: Why do you ask for the expected max RPM of the Roller Channel?
Q: Is power supply needed for the IDERC Kit?
Q: What difference is your system with other "data logger" systems?
Q: Why are the unused channels on IDERC4 produce unstable spikes?
Q: How do I get more signals per Roller revolution to increase reading resolution?
Q: What is the best distance for the inductive pickup with the teeth?
Q: Why do you suggest the PC to have a 3 pin AC outlet?

SOFTWARE

Q: Does your software need third party programs as "Microsoft Excel"?
Q: Why do you have options for RPM Engine input?
Q: Why is the max reading at the run screen and graphs screen differ?
Q: Why is there a "fine tuning" option for Channel 1, the ROLLER Channel?
Q: Why does the RacingDyno software hang on Windows XP platforms?
Q: Why do I get misaligned text ?

DIY

Q: Can I upgrade my old "analogue scale " system dynamometer?
Q: Can I make my own Inertia Chassis Dynamometer?
Q: Can I make my own Engine Dynamometer?

GENERAL

Q: Is a computer required?


PLATFORM

Q: Why does your IDP-RC4 Inertia Dynamometer doesn't include a blowing fan?
Q: Why do you use large diameter of rollers?
Q: What is the fastest the IDP-RC RC Car Inertia Dynamometer can handle?
 
 
Q: Does your software need third party programs as "Microsoft Excel"?
A: Our software are stand alone, Windows based software. This means it doesn't need any other third party software. As an example one other source (and lots of others) have to rely on the PC to have installed "Microsoft Excel" to operate. What's happening is, their software is not showing real time data, as their usual operating procedure is, do a run, record, CONVERT TO CSV, see data. This is not real on the fly data.

Our operating method is, do run, record, see data. The RacingDyno software itself is crunching data. Also you have all the basic and lots of additional controls to your data. The best thing is its FREE.

Q: What is the fastest the IDP-RC RC Car Chassis Inertia Dynamometer can handle?
A: The software and hardware of the IDERC4 can handle is 17000kmh!!! The IDERC1 is capable of handling this top speed.

However mechanically the IDP-RC could only handle up to 160kmh. That is the roller speed of 6000RPM. The suggested max speed of the roller is also at this speed. The roller of the IDP-RC is properly machined and balanced for this RPM speed

Q: Why do you have options for RPM Engine input?
A: This option is needed for the "true engine tuner" to get the torque produced BY THE ENGINE at RPM steps. We have found other sources and software with this huge flaw in their mathematical expression. They have declared that the torque produced at the roller is the torque produced by the engine. This is totally wrong!

TORQUE AT ROLLER IS NOT SAME AS TORQUE AT ENGINE!

However HP at the roller is same as the HP at the engine. This is the basic physical function of a chassis dynamometer. Therefore to get the engine torque, go backwards in to the formula 

Roller HP = Engine HP = (engine torque X engine RPM) / 5252

Because roller HP and engine HP are the same, by filling in the engine RPM, we could get the TRUE engine torque.

Q: Why does your IDP-RC Inertia Dynamometer doesn't include a blowing fan?
A: This is to reduce cost, and we consider that you do have a higher cfm flowing table fan already at your club. We would not want to sell you extra bolts that you don't even need or you already have!
Q: Can I make my own Inertia Chassis Dynamometer?
A: Of course you can. You could use our IDERC1 or IDERC4 Inertia Dyno Electronics Kit. If you have a resource of precision machinery this is a good option, especially for the roller part. It must be properly balanced and machined from known mass density, to get accurate polar moment inertia. We could provide you with the guidelines to make the dynamometer.
Q: Can I make my own Engine Dynamometer?
A: The engine dynamometer for the RC engine is on development. Available in 2005.

Of course you can. You could use our IDERC1 or IDERC4 Inertia Dyno Electronics Kit. If you have a resource of precision machinery this is a good option, especially for the roller part. It must be properly balanced and machined from known mass density, to get accurate polar moment inertia. We could provide you with the guidelines to make the dynamometer.

Q: What is the difference between the IDERC1 and IDERC4?
A: The IDERC1 is a 1-channel data acquisition system. Suitable is only reading live 1 channel (the roller RPM). Then the Engine HP could be calculated. However the engine RPM could be obtained by entering the gear ratio to the program.

The IDERC4 is a 4-channel daq system. With extra 2 channels, other parameters could be monitored. Usually LIVE reading of engine RPM, Engine Temperature, Battery Volts etc.

Q: Is a computer required?
A: Yes, at least an IBM 400Mhz (obsolete) or better PC is needed. 
Q: Is power supply needed for the IDE-SERIES Kit?
A: No external power supply will be needed for the IDERC kits. The unit will get its power from the PC serial COM port automatically. So less cables, less hazard around and lower power consumption.

( However in the case of using external sensors that derive high power from its source, external power is needed to cover up the power supplied by the PC com Port. If signs of insufficient power supply or unstable data reading is detected, we would suggest an external power supply).

Local power adapter with output of 9VDC 300mA, center post +ve, outer Gnd, could also be used. We can also provide suitable power adapters (Please specify local power supply either 120VAC or 240VAC).

No power supply will be needed for IDERC1 as it is only a single channel unit.
Please determine the power dissipation of the external sensors used.

External power is not needed if no reading error is detected (most likely due to unsufficient power supply by the PC serial com).

Q: Why do you use large diameter of rollers?
A: The diameter of the rollers affects the tire contact patch area, which in turn, affects traction and tire deformation. Rollers less than about 33% of tire diameter should be avoided, as they will damage the tire's caucus under sustained high speed/high HP running. 

So we have chosen the largest diameter possible, considering several factors as material mass density, tire grip and availability. That's why we have chosen a large suitble engineering material for the suitable weight, tire grip, price and availability. We also had to consider to deliver a 7 to 14 seconds testing run duration.

Q: My Personal Computer doesn't have a serial port?
A: There are new laptops without serial port, but a RS232-USB adaptor can be used to connect the IDE-Series to PCs. This adaptor creates a virtual COM port that can be selected on the program to work with the unit as usual. Theoretically any RS232-USB adaptor will work with this device, requirements are 9,600 baud transfer. We can supply a well-tested adaptor if you can not find a suitable one.

Also if your PC doesn't have a DB9 serial port (serial port with 9 pins) but has a DB25 serial port, we also have the adapter for you.

Q: What difference is your system with other "data logger" systems?
A: This is the best part, our electronic kit is better than others usual "data logger" systems that does the reading in 1 session then the analyzing in another session That is doing reading and recording unknown state of data (low reading, corrupted signal, sensor failure, need to do retest), then transferring that data to the computer to be analyzed.

While our systems does the data logging and analyzing simultaneously. You will see the results on the fly!

Q: Why do you ask for the expected max RPM of the Roller Channel?
A: Please indicate to us your expected max frequency for the roller channel (number of signals per second expected). This is so we could set up the channel for best performance. The idea is so we could use more than 80% of the full swing of the Roller Channel frequency. 

The setup of the built in tachometer for the Roller Channel has to be done at the factory. The components that represents the max frequency has to be properly selected and soldered on.
 

Q: Why is the max reading at the RUN screen and Graph Screen differ?
A: Data averaging is very common for any type of dynamometer, even for the big boys. Data averaging is done to raw data to remove unsuspicious or non logical values that may appear in the raw data. These values are as very high spikes (producing HP or TQ values impossible to achieve by the engine), sudden deceleration or acceleration, etc.

Data averaging effect is easily understood as data filtering or data smoothing.

However during the RUN, values are calculated with raw data. But at the Graph screen these raw data are averaged and could yield a better approximation of the HP and TQ value. Therefore HP and TQ displayed at the RUN screen are best taken as an estimation. This is why the values differ from each screen.

Q: Why is there a "fine tuning" option for Channel 1, the ROLLER Channel?
A: Even though the built in speedometer inside the IDERC units are very accurate, other external factors may contribute to a slight shift in the IDERC speed input in terms of volt losses. These factors are as, different power supplies of different computer makes and different length of pickup cable. Although not very often, but the option is available for users to fine-tune their dynamometer against the actual speed via reference to an external speedometer. 

The options are under the "Connect" > "View Channels" > "Fine Tuning" section.

Q: Why are the unused channels on IDERC4 produce unstable spikes?
A: The IDERC4 unit have high input impedance. As any high input impedance electronic device, the IDERC4 has a very small leakage current (in the order of nano Amps) that can cause these open voltage readings if the input is left open. The unused inputs could be connected to ground of disabled by the software if it bothers.

To disable unused channels, go to "Connect" > "View Channels" >  and choose the unused channel.  Then restart the program. Unused channels are best to disable than to connect the inputs to ground to increase the IDERC4 processing speed.

Q: How do I get more signals per Roller revolution to increase reading resolution?
A: The Roller Channel max frequency is preset at the factory. The idea is so the roller channel operation will have a swing of 80% of the max frequency.

Therefore it will not be convenient to have more signals per rev afterwards due to components already setup at the factory. Unless your IDE unit has a higher max frequency, more signals per rev is possible. The math is simply, 

Signals per rev possible = Max Roller Channel Frequency / Actual Roller Max Frequency.

After mechanically adding extra signals, setup the software at "Options" > "Roller Properties".
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Q: Can I upgrade my old "analogue scale " system dynamometer?
A: As long as the analogue scale system has a roller, it is possible. The interface is easy, just align the inductive pickup with the roller to get frequency signals, setup at the software, your done.

Dyno46 computerized systems are more superior than the analogue systems. It is more reliable, accurate and repetitive..

Q: What is the best distance for the inductive pickup with the teeth?
A: Often, the inductive pickup is placed too close to the target (teeth). When this happens, the pickup can trigger the IDERC units on scratches, nicks, or magnetic deformities in the flywheel or shaft. Usually, a gap of about 0.625mm (1/4 inch) is sufficient.

The target must be of a ferrous material. The target must produce the largest magnetic interference of any other scratch, hole, or deformity in the flywheel or shaft.
 

Q: Why do you suggest the PC to have a 3 pin AC outlet?
A: Its is suggested to ensure proper grounding of the IDERC unit. Often, improper grounding will disturb the reading of high frequency ROLLER channel.
Q: Why does the RacingDyno software hang on Windows Xp platforms?
We have reports that some users have difficulties with Windows XP platforms during connection. This is because as stated in the official Microsoft homepage, Windows XP doesn't allow direct user access to the I/O ports for security reasons.

Please do the followings to allow the hardware to use the I/O ports.

  • Log in to your XP PC as an administrator.
  • Click on the "control panel" icon
  • Click on the "security center" icon
  • Click on the "Windows Firewall" icon
  • Choose the "Exceptions" tab
  • Click on the "Add Program" Button
  • Scroll and choose the "RacingDyno V1.4.b" program.
  • If you the program cannot be seen in the list most likely the software still hasn't been installed or not detected by the system. In this case click "Browse" button and search for the "RacingDyno V1.4.b" program.
Q: Why do I get misaligned text?
A: The software has been developed with custom built fonts. However during installation, some PC's wont allow for automatic installation of the RacingDyno fonts to the PC operating system.

If you experience in misaligned text, most likely the fonts are not installed. To fix this, 

  • Go to your windows system fonts folder. Usually at "c:\windows\fonts".
  • Search for the fonts with the DYNO46 name. 
  • Click on the files to view it (this will automatically install it to the PC). 
  • Restart your PC.
The software will most likely look like the snapshots at the software page.. This also includes the print preview.
 

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