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^{My name is Rocanadeva dasa
I first Joined the movement in 1976 when I was 17 yrs old in Los Angeles, It was Krsna's mercy that I was an emancipated minor and that the state of CA. released me into the custodianship of ISKON,

just 5 weeks before Prabhupada came to Los Angles for 10 days and gave us His darsan, Through daily Srimad Bagavatam Lectures and personally being present for Guru Puja. He was Escorted along Venice Beach for his Morning Walks.}

_{The last time I was in the Los Angeles temple,

I worked on a painting for the Ratha-Yatra.
It was on the gate's as the devotee's enter.
I worked on a design of the lotus repeated design that is in green, and on help painting on the Lions on the gates. It was in the local Newspaper in Culver City, the press came by and took pictures and had an article about the Art as being "Service to God" I showed the article to Jayadwaita Swami and he through a garland over around my neck. I then went to San Diego, as accepted by Jayadaita Swami to contribute bhakti on the Back to Godhead Magazine staff.}

I am taking a spritual online course. This is good enough for an esay.

I have been studying Vedic Philosophy since I was 17 in 1976 begining with Bhagavad Gita as it is. 31 years to date.

There are 4 Sampradaya's, Bramha Sampradaya, Rudra Sampradaya, Laksmi Samprdaya and Kumara Sampradaya.

This Parampara linage of Spritual Masters is a very great and important Sampradaya beginning with Bramha the first created living being inthe universe being born from the lotus flower that sprowts form the navel of Lord Garbadaksi Visnu.

This is known as The Brahma Krsna Goudia Sampradaya. It includes Krsna and Lord Caitanya. Also Great Acaryas Such as Ramanujacarya, Nimbarka, Vyasa.

Bhaktivinoda Thakura is the father of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. Bhaktivinoda had written books to reestablish the Teachings of Lord Catainya and Goudia Vaisnavisim. Before the turn of the century late 1800's he sent books in the English language to library's in the western countries.

1.Krishna
2.Brahma
3.Narada
4.Vyasa
5.Madhva
6.Padmanabha
7.Narahari
8.Madhava
9.Aksobhya
10.Jaya Tirtha
11.Gyanasindhu
12.Dayanidhi
13.Vidyanidhi
14.Rajendra
15.Jayadharma
16.Purusottama
17.Brahmanya Tirtha
18.Vyasa Tirtha
19.Laksmipati
20.Madhavendra Puri
21.Isvara Puri(Nityananda/Advaita)
22.Lord Caitanya
23.Rupa(Svarupa/Sanatana)
24.Raghunatha, Jiva 25.Krishnadasa
26.Narottama
27.Visvanatha
28.Baladeva
29.Jagannatha
30.Bhaktivinoda
31.Gaurakisora
32.Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati
33.A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

It is very important to receive the Vedic Philosophy Disciplic succession by the descending method because one cannot by world jugglery or by mental speculation or by any other means of ascending interpretation cannot award any real eternal benefit.

The Knowledge of the Absolute is Truth is transcendental to this world and there are no words or expressions of this limited temporary external terms to express what is beyond its own nature.

The Knowledge of the Absolute is all inclusive in that it describes its transcendental nature as well as external nature in relation to Absolute transcendental truth on its own terms by its very nature.

It must be received through the proper channel in order for one to understand it, It remains a mystery to the non devotees thus they try to speculate.

It effects me in such a way that all the guess work is removed no need for speculation when it is to be understood in the proper way by Vedic conclusions given by the self realized spiritual masters who are bonafied and authorized. The Surpreme Lord in his own words in Bhagavad Gita tells us to aproach him in this way to approach the spiritual master. By the Grace of Krsna one finds guru and by the grace of guru one finds Krsna this is the process and the mystery of Vedanta and the only way to be accepted or understood.

The books I have studied are Bhagavad gita as it is, Srimad Bhagavatam (I have the whole set) read a little of Caitanya-caritamrta, Srila Prabhupada lila amrita and "Prabhuda" he built a house the whole world can live. Sri Isopanishad, Brahma Samhita, Live comes form live not matter, Beyond birth and death, Krsna book, Raja vidya the king of knowledge, Beyond Illusion and Doubt, Krsna the reserboir of pleasure.

Apart from Srila Prabhupada's books I dont think there are any authoritave Vedic scriptures realy other than Babajis writings and I have begun reading his Vedanta Sutra which I am really impressed with, it has clear understanding. I understand that as long as it is Vaisnava teachings containing the proper conclution of Krsna- the Absolute Truth, The Esoteric Principal, that the philosphys of our Acaryas can be translated and commented upon.

I once looked at some Vedic writings by western university scholars at the library in 1990 and I was very dry and even some mental imagery that was quite gross and offensive. This must be the real meaning of such a place of pilgrimage for vultures and crows because this arm chair speculator on Vedanta demonstrated his skill of imagery describing a rotting carcus with flys all about in the sun on dry grasses. very dry and offesive. I put the book down.

Apart form these there are the meditation books I started reading when I was 16 in 1975. Be Here Now and the Only Dance There Is by Ram Das. Before I went to Denver again in 1994- 95 I had been attenmding Nicheren Diasonin budhisim Nam Yoho Renge Kyo and Have recived a Gohanson and I was chaniting Daimoku - The Lotus Sutra.

Meat eating promotes a lower consciousness, a demon society as one cannot possibly understand real spiritual subject matter as well as the obvious, intoxication impairs ones ability to function and reason. It also is very offensive to others and is bad hygiene. Illicit sex rivets ones consciousness to the body. It is also unhealthy that the HIV and now there is so much bad karma that medical science just calls the conditions as STD's.

One develops the quality's of the mode of nature they associate with by their actions, thoughts, feelings and the senses mind and inteligence are the sitting places for lust. One has to be free from material desire.

One must be in the mode of Goodness Stava guna to begin spiritual practice. Chanting Hare Krsna Maha Mantra at once elevates one to the spiritual transcendental platform. It is an offense to commit sins on the strength of chanting the holy name of the lord. If one is not faithful and committing sins and offenses, they cannot make any progress or their preaching cannot be effective. Milk touched by the lips of a serpent has poisonous effects.

In preparing food stufs one must be clean neat and well organized. No nibeling or desireing the preperations for ones own self.

Placing my offering before the deity or pictures of Srila Prabhupada, Lord Chaitanya and Krsna, recite the following prayers.

http://www.harekrishnatemple.com/bhakta/prepareoffer.html

Prayer to Srila Prabhupada

nama om vishnu-padaya krishna-preshthaya bhutale
srimate bhaktivedanta-swamin iti namine
namas te saraswate deve gaura-vani-pracharine
nirvishesha shunyavadi pashchatya desha tarine

Prayer to Lord Chaitanya:

namo maha-vadanyaya krishna-prema-pradaya te
krishnaya krishna-chaitanya-namne gaura-twishe
namaha

"O most munificent incarnation! You are Krishna Himself appearing as Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Srimati Radharani. and You are widely distributing pure love of Krishna. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You."

3. Prayer to Lord Krishna:
namo brahmanya-devaya go-brahmana-hitaya cha
jagad-dhitaya krishnaya govindaya namo namaha

"I offer my respectful obeisances unto Lord Krishna, who is the worshipable Deity for all brahmanas the well-wisher of the cows and the brahmanas and the benefactor of the whole world. I offer my repeated obeisances to the Personality of Godhead, known as Krishna and Govinda."

To describe my current activies, I have a few things online that can be viewed. Some devotional art work:

http://www.angelfire.com/ca6/cornwall/Art_Gallery2.html Art gallery

A Professional Rock Music Magazine: http://www.calsong.net

California Song Music Magazine

I have created an information data base portal called the Resource resource at http://2learn.isfun.net It's an educational web site good for homework help that I have brought together in one place many resources on the web. It includes a World Religion page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca6/cornwall/worldrel.html
World Religions

Rock n Roll Hollywood
The web site of Tequila Mockingbird

Hare Krsna is fun
My Devotee Web Ring and Newsletter

I worked for Guthy - Renker on the "Doing business On The Internet Seminar" in 1996
Choice Mall
Guthy Renker
This is the advertising Company Located in Palm Desert, CA. I verified attendance for the seminar, and accepted inbound calls form our clients to assist them in their small business on the Internet.

I have had quite an interesting professional carrer, I started in the manufacturing industry in automobile and aircraft, and I was a wood worker for Acoustic Control Corp which manufactured Guitar & Bass Amplifiers, stereo speakers, PA's, Mixers and Stage Monitors from 1982 - 1984

I received my GED in 2000

My Education in Technical Training

ICS / Harcourt 2000
PC Specialist: Understanding software & hardware, Windows advanced topics, Preventive maintenance & upgrading, Microsoft Office97 Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access, The basics of networks, Understanding computer viruses.

NRI Schools 1997-2000
Multimedia Programming: Introduction to microcomputers, Multimedia basics, Programming basics, Multimedia techniques, Windows 98, Working with BASIC, Internet Explorer, Netscape navigator/ communicator, Liberty Basic, Asymetrix Multimedia Toolbook. This course included a state of the art PC.

Van Nuys College of Business 1990
Data Processing: Introduction & history of computers Typing.

Watterson College 1989-1990
Commercial Art: Life Drawing, Page layout and design, Mac OS, Macintosh PageMaker, Adobe Illustrator, Marker Rendering.

Well anyway, as much as I can recall it was the Lords Grace that I was distributing the Back to Godhead Magazine in Los Vegas in 1977 and I was asked to go ahead and write my innitiation letter. Ramesvara was to be Srila Praupada's secretary for that period and had brought along the letters for Srila Praupada to review and I was accepted.

The thing that Praupada had suggested strongly in his writings is that religion with out philosophy is fanaticism and philosophy with out religion is only sentimental lip service.

So in this reguard I would like to express my realizations based on Srila Praupada's writings.

Srila Praupada had taught that the very first Vedic teaching is "Atho Brahma- Janasa" which means "Now that we have attained the valuable human form of life with the acquired intelligence, having passed through 8 million 4 hundred thousand species of life, NOW is the time to inquire as to what is spiritual - transcendental and how to Aleve our true selves of the condition of being in contact with the external energy or matter and retain our original spiritual composition of spiritual reality."

The firs preliminary understanding is Aham-Bramasmi that I am not this material body but that I am sprit soul. This understanding is in which the practice of the spritual science begins. the sense of I am the experiencer of the body which is a biological instumnet in which I utilize to do my work and interact in theis universe. The body of corse is made possible by birth by the interaction of semin and egg. Is purly chemical- biological and is not the self. the self is eternal and leaves the body when the soul leaves this world. I am coming and going all the time and I leave my current situation to begin another as an example. The body has impulses and it needs to remain in a healthy state. It shoulndt be accepted to give in to these impulses in many ways become unhealthy. the body is subjuect to sickness and other types of abnormanl conditions such as obesity substance addiction etc.

Of course Srila Praupada's position is that he didn�t mainly focus on the Veda�s but rather the devotional texts that pertain to Devotees of Krsna.

So now acording to the advice of the Devotees is to first praise your Spritual Master, Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Praupada, Tridandi 108 Paramahamsa Pavaracacarya,

Who, being desirous to fullfill the order of His Spritual Master, Boarded upon the Jaladuta, and endured the seas upon that ship. ariving in a forgian land of Sense Gratifaction and Kali Yuga Sin, Delivering the poor souls, being completly in illusion and forgetfullness of our actuall eternal reality.

May I praise this great Mahatma, and all of his followers who are dedicated to this great mission - Body, emotional, mind, Intellence, and soul - With everything within their possession.

The structure of the Maha Tatva is a very encompassing area contained within the Bramajoti, Unlimated Expanse of Spritual Sky covered my mater. Molecular combinations composed by atoms forming earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false indentification with matter (False Ego).

I will describe the life of Bhrama and the duration of a universe. The living entity composed of what the substance is of Krsna in smaller degrees is that of Sat - Cit - Ananda, (Eternal knowledge blissfully.) Are Trapped within a repeating cycle of reincarnation through eight million, four hundred thousand species of life which is a process that takes millions of years to transmigrate through, Are forced to identify with that particular body in nature to perform its way and function of life according to its nature and facility.

A complete living hell created by our own karma. ---Destiny Verses Our Own FREE WILL----.

The symptom of the disease is diss-satisfaction and frustration of our attempts. The real frailty is the forgetfulness of our real spiritual nature. Perfect spiritual; beings covered by matter involved in external illusory attempts based on the notion of being a product of matter impregnates the human mentality error. The rectification is the development of the perfect spiritual mentality devoid of the false notion of enjoyment exclusively through sensual and mental stimuli. Simply put: the medicine to cure ourselfs of the disease is the spirtual development potential inherent in us as pure spiritual jiva-atma as part and parcel of the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna.

Sin is actually identified by any action being performed in forgetfulness of God and our Spiritual Constitution.

Its all about choices, and we get our desire fulfilled by the goodness of the Lord. A life form to facilitate our desires for sensual expression in many combinations

The thing that is Illusion or Maya is that our object of love becomes another residual impression of another Jiva For Me it�s a woman and visa versa. We have this need to be loved and to share this love, its originally meant for god and the jiva object just has a tendency to step into the picture and becomes more important.

The relationship with the husband and wife is an important aspect of our natural tendacys and to dutifully share this love in worship and servitude to the Lord, Who after all just wants us to be happy eternally and doesn�t want us to continue to be in the false conception of severance from the lord, who we are in an intimate relationship in abeta beta atatva.. Simultaneously One and Differential.

Our love is for God, Krsna and the point that gets us stuck as jiva atmas is that we don�t full fill the function in its healthy original duty or natural spiritual function as Gods Expression of our love for us and to recriipcate that love by showing our faith and our internal prayer hoping against hope for Gods favor.

Now we were eaten by tigers, larger fish, Humans, and we also did the same as those life forms. Insects feeding on one another, Very bizarre world, those insects are very exotic and in some rain forest three thousand of these life forms were discovered on a daily basis.

The rules of the universe, which are common sense physics are that every living life form must work for its subsistence and that every living entity is food, or produces food for another. Even the Vegetables are a life form.

The life forms are as follows in acceding order: Aquatics, plant life, Insects, Reptiles (legged and non legged), Feathered Fowl, Four legged Mammals, Humans which include the Simian Races, and Demigods of the Higher Planetary Systems.

The actual situation of the Maha - Tatva is that of a reaccurring incidence --- ETERNALLY.

THE MANIFESTATION IS A TEMPORARY REGION AND IS MANIFEST AND UNMANIFEST.

The ages or yuga's are four and are approxamitly 1.5 million years rounded off figure say give or take a few thousand for each. One day of a Bramha is that of a thousand yuga cycles is the duration of his one day and also of his night.

So take 1.5 million years multiplied by 4 per Yuga cycles, multiplied by 2 thousand. Multipled again by 350 days a year, times 100 years.

So just stretch your own thinking for your own self and tell me the duration of just this tiny dark speck within the whole sceme of eternity.

The Ages or Yuga's are: Satva Yuga 1,728,00yrs, Tretya Yuga 1,296,000, Dvarpa Yuga 864,000 yrs, and the current age Kali Yuga 432,00 yrs--- The Iron age of Quarrel & Hiproscracy, Industrialized Confused Technological Advancement, Creating an artificial standard of society. Self Centered diverse cultures and interest's ocur during this period creating conflict.

I have hear recently that some belive that Lord Kalki is coming and that it is the end of Kali yuga. Srila Prabhupada wrote in His purport to this verse in Bhagavad Gita 8.17 That the Current time frame of this Kali Yuga is 5,000 years into this degraded age. The Surpreme Lord can do what ever He wants He can appear at any time. As far as tjhe scripturs go Lord Kalki comes at the end of Kali Yuga and then a new Satva Yuga will begin. It was just inquired of me very recently about the Issue of War. There are 4 Yugas and the standards of interaction with the physical laws of nature act different in these times. For instance the Brahmins in previous ages could ignite the fire sacrifice by mantra - Sound, Spiritual hymns for such.

These accounts within History are recorded in the scriptures, We also live within and age called Kali at the current moment. In these times the expressions are of a nuture that harass the living entity. Srila Vyasadeva, out of his extreme compassion for the unfortunate souls in this age has accumulated the Srimad Bhagavatam. We as Jivas are the part and parcel of the lord. A tiny particle of him as marginal energy that can be conditioned by matter. The Supreme Lord is not affected by his creation and is never conditioned but remains as He is.

Everything in this external and the Internal potencies are his expressions of love for the living entities, and war is a reformatory procedure based on the Karma accumulated by Society as a whole. The scriptures recommend a way of living and a standard for society to avoid conflict by not creating negative Karma and to have to be subjected to negative results but rather positive results resulting in a peaceful life consisting of pleasant weather producing ample supplies of food, and agriculture producing dairy products, little or no crime and the UN-wanted progeny born by the nature of the actual conception of the parents in a selfish ego identification of pleasure and then the children are not wanted very much unless its conveint to accept assistance from government allowances.

War is a product of our own making do to sins aqiured by Society. The good son is rewarded by a very happy Birthday party and every one is happy, But at some other time the child may have done something wrong and the father loves the child and will punish the child within reasonable method to rectify his doings and that he will not get into any serous trouble but will learn form his mistakes.

War is the same thing, Actually every incidence within history is an expression of the love of Godhead has for us, Extreme, as it is He is trying to show us his love in this way, So we can learn. Even in the Maha- Barata, The great battle of Kurusetra was by political methods debated to try to avoid the war. But such diplomacy was not effective and no actual agreements were made and Mobilization had to occur.

In these times of war, We must be strong, because we might be asked to perform some activity that we may learn in life to regret. Nobody wants war, and nobody really wants to do it. We are very sorry to hear that some equipment or vehicles may be damaged or destroyed and possibly, some people may be hurt or killed.

We hope to learn from our mistakes, and hope that history doesn�t repeat itself. We can learn to live accordance to the scriptures and create a golden age, rather than the negative results of our current condition. In this way society can benefit and be rewarded in another way and we can be happy even still within this life time and go back home back to Godhead.

THE THEISES OF WAR AND LORD SIVA BRING AN END TO ALL THINGS.8/4/2008

The Maha Tatva again comes into play and Maha Visnu lays down within the casual universe. He impregnates Pakriti (nature) with his glance the living enties Jiva souls. Pakriti is Krnsa'a external energy as such she is worshiped as Kali, again Lord Siva's wife is Pakriti as an expanstion of the exteranl evergy of Krsna. she is Maha Maya the Illustion of seperate extistance and being as such product of matter and the restless scanning of the mind for pleasure in amny varites and forms and the ambition. Which one only finds that what was necture in the beginning has really just turned out to be poison.

The War Ends when Lord Shiva steps upon the chest of his consort Pakriti - Nature. The war and the crazy corupt state of affairs occurs when Lord Shiva does his dance. Lord Shiva is often depicted riding his bull Nandi through forests, Like Lord Shivas Hermatige where he meditates or most commonly is Lord Shiva Dancing within a Mandala of fire.

Another Thing about Lord Siva is that there are these Murhuta's times of the day and hours when Lord Shiva rides his bull by and one can become Gostly Haunted by the ghosts that assoiciate with the Demigod of destruction.

There are 3 Chief Demigods within the universe, Bramha, Visnu and Shiva. The beging and the interm and the end of all things eventually.

Krsna is the background and the cause of all causes the Karma interacting at this time of due to a lot of missfortunes such as indutralized meat disstubution and the consuption of forbiden things. War is associated with this Karma as well as the interation of the temporary names and forms of the world's personalitys and there are so many more causes and interactions. If Lord Siva the Demigod of all things were to then just stop the dance of destruction and step unpon the chest of Mother Nature Pakriti, Maha Maya and also Known as Durga the War will End.

Lord Shiva is also Known as Sambu.

Sri Brahma-Samhita

Krsna never consorts with His illusory energy. Still her connection is not entirely cut off from the Absolute Truth. When He intends to create the material world the amorous pastime, in which He engages by consorting with His own spiritual [cit] potency Rama by casting His glance at the deluding energy in the shape of sending His time energy, is an auxiliary activity.

[The secondary process of association with Maya is described.] Ramadevi, the spiritual [cit] potency, beloved consort of the Supreme Lord, is the regulatrix of all entities. The divine plenary portion of Krsna creates the mundane world. At creation there appears a divine halo of the nature of His own subjective portion [svamsa]. This halo is divine Sambhu, the masculine symbol or manifested emblem of the Supreme Lord. This halo is the dim twilight reflection of the supreme eternal effulgence. This masculine symbol is the subjective portion of divinity who functions as progenitor of the mundane world, subject to the supreme regulatrix [niyati]. The conceiving potency in regard to mundane creation makes her appearance out of the supreme regulatrix. She is Maya, the limited, nonabsolute [apara] potency, the symbol of mundane feminine productivity. The intercourse of these two brings forth the faculty of perverted cognition, the reflection of the seed of the procreative desire of the Supreme Lord.

The function of Sambhu in relation to jivas is that this universe enshrining the mundane egotistic principle has originated from Sambhu.

The external potency Maya who is of the nature of the shadow of the cit potency, is worshiped by all people as Durga, the creating, preserving and destroying agency of this mundane world. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda in accordance with whose will Durga conducts herself.

Actually I was allways interested in hearing about Krsna more than the technical details of the society and was more interested in how to be a devotee.

So I will Describe the highest Lila -- NEVER TO BE IMMATATED---

According to Srila Bhaktishidanta ou Spritual Grand Father in the Disisplic Succession in his Brahma Samita

The Goloka Vrinavana and the Gokula Vrinavana. The tract of land in Barata Varsa (Earth)India caled Vrindavana 40 miles South West of Deli is the Gokula Vrinavana. Krsna performed his most intimate pastimes there. More than performed in the Spritual World of Golokla Vrinavana. What was that? He over stepped his own boundries in performing his Ras Lila with his Gopis, Eternally liberated Souls in Womans bodys who are married to Gopas. In this pastime the Gopas are Jiva Atma and are Liberated, but in the Eternal atomopshere the Gopas are Krsna Tavta. The Gopies are never really separated from Krsna. These are actually Krsna Shakti - internal potencies, bound by an intense eternal love of Godhead.

That this is the explaination of a great mystery and that this is the highest truth, that in is real sense then Krsna is actually enjoying his pastimes with wife's married to other husbands other than expansions of himself as in the Spritual World

Prabhuda writes that the gopies achieved this position in Gokula as they were in previous lives as great sages and yogis and yoginis who were desirous of having His association by being lovers of the Lord, and being in his personal company in this Rasa. They were awarded his company by the Lord's causeless mercy

The actual constitution of Krsna's energy are that of Visnu Tatva - Expansions of the Lord himself, the marginal energy which are the living enities the atma tatva - part and parcels of the surpreme Lord in smaller degrees, actually anu -- atomic particles and the external energy, matter.

I have a tape from the tape Bhaktivedanta ministies, Prabhupada stated that "Just as the gold in the gold mine is Gold, A portion of the gold particles are not equal to the total gold in the mine as a whole. So Krsna is the total and the living entities are the small particles of Krsna, and the Jiva'a are not equal to the whole, but are part and parcel of the Lord.

The rain water is distilled water -- pure water -- but falling down from the clouds it becomes muddy when it hits the ground. The consciousness of the living enities -- Jiva Atma -- ARE PURE IN ITS ORIGINAL STATE BUT COMING INTO CONTACT WITH MATTER -- The living enities have become conditioned due to the influence of the three modes of material nature Goodness: Satva Guna , Passion: Rajas Guna, and Ignorance: Tamas Guna.

Actual meditation is that on the Surpreme Lord and not any thing impersonal, void or on ones own self. As a lamp in a windless place does not waver the transcendentalist who mind is self controlled remains allways steady in meditation on the Transcendent Self.

It is very difficult to control the mind, for it is very obstinante and restless, but it is possible with constant practice and by detachment.

From what ever and when ever the mind wanders due to its flickering and unsteady nature, bring it back under control of the self.

I will explain more Lilas, and the three Visnu's. And the three localized aspects of the Lord, Brahman, Paramatma and Bhagavan.

Actually we are not the does of our activities, The Bhagavad Gita states that our activities are carried out by nature and that the soul actually does nothing.

The Srimad Bagavatam states that as on a cloudy full moon night, the clouds move past the moon quickly and the moon appears to be moving yet is still stationary, so the soul appears to be in action yet is still.

More Lilas:

The Cow Heard boys enjoyed Krsna's assoication in the hills and forest of Gokula Vrinavana. They also were awarded this rasa as they were great sages and yogis who desired Krsna's Lila.

Krsna and the Cow Heard Boys imatated the animals like the croaking of frogs and then when the frogs jumped in the water Krsna and the Cow Heard Boys jumped in after them when they jumped away.

Krsna displayed his multi omnipresence durring lunch time. Each Cow heard boy thought that he shared his lunch with Krsna individual and personal as they all sat in a circle about Krsna in the center.

This is the way of the Spritual World, Each devotee is with and are with Krsna personally, and there are pastimes in eternity, beyond a limited time concept of past present and future. All singing the glories of the lords pastimes, As allmost on a leval with the lord or being his parents or frinds or servants or intimate lovers.

Narada Muni also saw a wonder display of Krsna's omnipresence at Dvaraka. When Narada visited each palace Narada was surprised to find Lord Krsna there in each palace performing a different function with his queens and children and maidservants within the palaces simultaneously.

I visited the Los Angeles Temple yesterday, and as I saw Rukmini - Dvarakadish
I rememberd this saying:
"The eyes that have never seen the beautifull form of the Lord, are liken to the decorations of the eyes on the plumes of the peacocks feathers - USELESS Vision."

Well just take your problems to the Lord, and just concentrate and clear your mind of the worldliness and may a great feelling of comfort come upon you.

This is really sad, but it's a favorite Lila of the devotees:

After Lord Krsna's departure form Vrindavana, all the inhabitants of Vrinda were full of seperation form the lord and spent thier days singing of the glories of the Lord and crying for him to return.

The Lord went to perform his new pastimes of being a king and going to war and killing demoniac kings.

The Lord meet Radha in Kuruksetra after a very long time of separation during this time, and their talks are very intamate and heart breaking in this reunion.

The Srimad Bhagavatam is full of instructions and it's beauty is very poetic. Even a great demon who is finnaly killed by the Lord is very Philosophical.

Ravana said that the way that many travelers will come to a rest stop or a dinner, they have come together as strangers and are separated to go their own way in a short time. Just as many leaves or twigs in the current of a river may bind or join together for some time and distance and are eventually separated again in the currents

And as the World goes and its events the Bhagavatam states that as many millions of bubbles and foam are created in the waves of the ocean repeatedly, so as the names, forms and activities that constitute the events and actions of the this world are also destroyed as liken to the popping of the bubbles and the sea water again goes back into the totality of the ocean and still again another wave, bubbles and foam again to be destroyed repeatedly

I wanted to explain in more detail about the actual situation of the Maha Tatva.

I also wanted to incorporate some science into the light of phenomena.

There are many millions of Bramha's in each of the millions of universes. The universes are created due to the Yoga Nidra of Maha Visnu Laying in the casual ocean of the Maha Tatva. The exhalations of Maha Visnu brings forth the universes from his breathing out. The universes are again absorbed within Maha Visu when He again breaths in, His inhale.

Krsna again as Visnu expands again as Garbadaksayi Visnu Laying in the ocean of Milk at the bottom of each universes again. The lotus flower springs from the navel of Garbadaksayi Visnu and Bramha is born from that Lotus. Bramha creates the universal construction of the universe by the ingredients supplyed from Garbadaksayi Vishnu's body because there were no other ingrediants to use.

Of course we are not Pantheists, but there is nothing that actually exsists without the pressence of the Lord and His energy's

The Lord then again expands as Kisheradaksayi Vishnu, The Lords presence in each and every atom and within the heart of the living enities.

The Atoms in which Lord Kisheradaksayi Vishu enters, themselfs originate from Krishna" Brhaman (Eternal Spritual Light Photonic Energy)in which the atoms comine to form the moloucules which are according to type and combination form the 8 material elements of the temporal region, Earth, Water, Fire, Air, Ether, Mind, Intelegence and False Ego.

The universes in Mahatavta are themselfs are continum adinfinim higher to lower dimentional universes at the atomic level.

EXAMPLE:
One atom is a universe consiting of atoms and universe's consiting of atoms and Universe's etc....

Krshana says in the Bagavad Gita that all things rest on him as pearls are stung on a thread.

The external matter energy is itself not the actuall substance but appears to be by reinforcement in this region as the living enity in contact with matter is constantly harrased to perfom for others and nothing is ever good enough and if it is, it is only for a short while, and then new relationships will be developed.

This mater energy flow is within 3 dimmentional time and space. Past Presnt and Future are the elements that consist of Time. The spiritual world is devoid of Material time and is the Eteranl Time Moment.

The Srimad Bagavatam states that "Just as the Clouds pass by the Moon on a windy night, The Moon apears to be moving, but is actully still. The living entites within matter perform no actions or travel any distance within any 3 dimentional space, That it is only matter that apears to be moving by the waves of material nature and the 3 modes of material nature, Goodness, Passion and Ingnorance and the combinations that they produce.

I would like to explain the proccess of Karma

The definition of Karma is this: At each and every moment a being is the entire acumultion of one's entire past. this occurs at each and every instance in our moment to moment existance in temporal time Past, Present and Future.

It also incorporates Action and Reaction as a body in motion will remain im motion unless impeded my an outside and impeading force. Most of the time this body in motion changes directions.

The Karma is in our hearts, acumulating since time immemorial throuhout our journey through 8 million, 4 hundred thousand species of life in the cycle proccess of repaeted birth and death.

We make our own destiny which is awarded by the supersoul within our hearts by our actions based on the choices we make that are presented to us at each and evey instance in time

Yukta Vyragya.. dove tailing everything in the service of the lord

Life and Soul of the guru

The Whole World is Fighting for Sense Gratification Body: The Whole World is Fighting for Sense Gratification

Prabhupada: In the material world, everyone is given the facilities for eating, sleeping, sexual intercourse and defense. Now, if some dangers come, so we may be victims, but a bird immediately goes. He has better defense. Is it not? If some dangers come immediately... Suppose all of a sudden a motorcar comes and kills us. We cannot do anything, but the bird, small bird, "Hut!" He can do that. Is it not? So his defensive measure is better than us. Similarly, I want to have sex. I have to arrange for that, find out some... But the female bird is always around him, at any time. This sparrow, the pigeon. You have seen it? Immediately ready for sex life. And eating? Oh, there is some fruit. Immediately he can eat. And sleeping? That is also very comfortable. So these facilities, don't think that it is available on this skyscraper building. They are available for the birds and the beasts. It is not that unless you have got a very nice apartment in the skyscraper building, you cannot have all these facilities of eating, sleeping and sex life. Anywhere. Visayah khalu sarvatah syat. This is called visaya. Visaya means the facilities for sense enjoyment. That is called visaya. Our process is visaya chadiya se rase majiya. One has to give up this visaya and relish the transcendental bliss. It is a different platform. And these persons, bodily concept of life, their only enjoyment is this visaya. So sastra says that you are after visaya. This is available in any life. Why you are repeating this visaya in different forms of life either as bird or beast or tree or human being or cats and dogs? Punah punas carvita carvananam. Again and again, the same thing, in different forms. So those who are interested with this visaya, matir na krsne paratah svato va, they cannot become Krishna conscious, paratah, by instruction of spiritual master or experienced person, or by themselves. Themselves, they cannot. Even by instruction by the spiritual master or higher authorities. Paratah. Svatah, personally, or by others' instruction, matir na krsne, they cannot become Krsna conscious. Mitho 'bhipadyeta. Mithah, or by conference, consulting, making a meeting, "What is the problem of life?" They cannot take to Krsna consciousness. Why? Grha-vratanam. So long they have got this determination, "We shall be happy in this material world," they cannot take... Grha-vratanam. Grha means home and grha means this body also. Those who are trying to be happy within this body, material world, they cannot take to Krsna consciousness. Matir na krsne paratah svato va mitho 'bhipadyeta grha-vratanam. Why they cannot? Adanta-gobhih: their senses are so uncontrolled. Therefore they must undergo the process of punah punas carvita-carvananam, again and again, the same visaya: eating, sleeping, mating. That's all.

Nitai: So our business is to convince them that they can't be happy in the material world?

Prabhupada: Yes. That they have got experience. Therefore daily they are founding so many parties, manufacturing so many means and plans and this and that, but they are not happy. But they are so fool, great fool, that in spite of being repeatedly baffled, still, punah punas carv..., the same thing, under different form. What is the difference between these rascal communists and capitalists? After all, they are animals. How they can make things, better arrangement? That is not possible. The only thing... This man will say, "Exploit others," and other man shall, "Give food to the others." What is there? Give food to the others or exploit--the same animal propensity. Where is the advancement? The capitalists are thinking, "Exploit others." The same thing, like animals. This dog, as soon as he saw the shadow of his own body with the food, he thought that "Let me capture that food." This is exploitation. And another will say "No, first of all give food." So they are fighting like this. So everyone's aim is that we shall remain within this material world and happy. Therefore grha-vratanam.

Satsvarupa: If we can get enough to eat and sex, we will be happy.

Prabhupada: That's all. And then they become impotent and go to the doctor, "Give me sex medicine." You see? Punah punas carvita-carvananam. The same thing. Not at home sex, but "Let us go to the prostitute, go to the naked dance." They have no other ideas. Punah punas carvita-carvananam. These class of men cannot take to Krsna consciousness. First of all, one must be in knowledge that "I am not anything of this material world. I am spirit soul. My happiness is in the spiritual world." Then he can be.

Haihaya: Some people say that what make us different from the animals is that we can enjoy art and we can enjoy music and we can enjoy all type of art...

Prabhupada: The animals... the snake also can enjoy music. Do you know that? You play very nice music. A snake will be charmed. He will stand. It will not attack you. Similarly the deers... The hunters, they play very nice music, and they assemble here, and they fight and kill them.

Nitai: The birds are also making their music.

Prabhupada: No. That is another thing. But these deer and the snakes, many animals, they are very much fond of music. They enjoy.

matir na krsne paratah svato va mitho 'bhipadyeta grha-vratanam adanta-gobhir visatam tamisram punah punas carvita-carvananam

Next question is "How one can become interested in the spirit soul or Krsna consciousness? How?" This is the position. They cannot. So next proposal is, "How they can be?" Naisam matis tavad urukramanghrim sprsaty anartha..., yad-arthagamam, niskincananam, pada-rajo-'bhisekam.

naisam matis tavad urukramanghrim sprsaty anarthapagamo yad-arthah mahiyasam pada-rajo-'bhisekam niskincananam (na vrnita yavat)

Naisam matih. Esam, "of these rascals and fools," matih, "consciousness," cannot be turned. Naisam urukramanghrim, "towards the lotus feet of Lord Krsna, Urukrama." Urukrama means "one who acts very wonderful." And his lotus feet. So naisam matis tavad urukramanghrim: "Their attention cannot be converted or turned towards the lotus feet of Krsna who acts very wonderfully." Anartha apagamah: "And all these misconcepts of life becomes vanquished." How it can be? Now, "So long one does not touch his head to the dust of a devotee of the Lord who is niskincana, who has nothing to do with this material world, that devotee, who is simply interested in Krsna." If one has got the opportunity of touching his head to the lotus feet, to the dust of the lotus feet of such a great devotee, then it is possible. Otherwise, it is not. Niskincana, mahiyasam pada-rajo 'bhisekam. Mahiyasam, such glorified devotee, the dust of the lotus feet, can help him, that's all. Naisam matis tavad urukramanghrim sprsaty anartha.

Satsvarupa: The pure devotee gives the chance to everyone, but only a few approach. So still the question is how can they become interested in the pure devotee?

Prabhupada: No, this is the..., that you do it. If they do not do it, then who will come? This declaration is there, that "If you do this, then you can be interested." But if you do not, then you go on with your own business. A similar... The same things Krsna, sarva-dharman parit... mam ekam. Krsna is demanding that you do it, "Surrender unto Me." The sastra also says, "Surrender unto the representative of Krsna," mahiyasam. But if they do not do, what can be done? Just see this sparrow. The sex is always accompanying, any time ready. The pigeons, any time ready. Visayah khalu sarvatah syat. That is the only attachment for this material world, visaya. Whole world is fighting for this visaya. "I must have nice eating, I must have nice sleeping, I must have very good sex, and I should be defended by bank balance, by military soldiers, by police force, by atomic weapons." This is going on. Defense. Rascal does not understand that "In spite of all these things, I will have to change the body, and the same thing will be available again, in a different way." This intoxication, cigarettes. The ant, the small ant, they are very fond of intoxication. You know that? As soon as there is information, "On the top of the skyscraper building, there is a grain of sugar," they will go. (laughing) Because sugar contains intoxication. The wine is made from sugar, molasses. It has got the intoxication. You keep a grain of sugar there, and there will be hundreds and thousands... (laughter) Gold rush. Study. You see what is the difference of this civilization and the ant civilization, dog civilization, cat civilization. No difference. It is in the simply formation only.

Dhananjaya: Yes, I've seen sometimes at the Sunday Feast we make some sweets, like sweetballs, and there's some left over. They'd find the next day so many drowned ants, because they'd been so wild, they'd jump into it and drown themselves.

Prabhupada: So sastra says, labdhva su-durlabham idam bahu-sambhavante: "My dear human being, please note. You have got this form of life after many many births, bahu-sambhavante. You had to undergo the aquatic life, 900,000 species, the birds, trees and plants, two million. How much time it has gone by for this evolution. Now you have come to the human form of life." Labdhva su-durlabham idam bahu-sambhavante manusyam: "This is human form of life." Artha-dam: "Now you can achieve success. Although it is temporary, but you can achieve the highest perfection of life. Therefore," turnam yateta anumrtyu yavat, "before next death, you be very dexterous to complete the success." And if you think, then what about my sense enjoyment? Visayah khalu sarvatah syat: "It will be available any life. This life you spend for this purpose. Don't waste simply for visaya." Visayah khalu sarvatah syat. This you will get even if you become cat and dog. But in the cat and dogs, I will not get this opportunity, how to get out of this material existence. Labdhva su-durlabham idam bahu-sambhavante. These are the instructions of Prahlada. These rascals have no education to understand. Therefore we must give this education. We must induce them to read these books in the school, colleges. That is propaganda. Now we have got books. These rascals, they have no books to read about this realization. They have got only Freud's philosophy and this... What is that? And Darwin's theory. All rascaldom, simply rascaldom. Let them read these books. This philosopher, that philosopher. What is that? Punah punas carvita-carvananam. The same philosophy, repeatedly for sense gratification, that's all. That rascal Mahesh Yogi, he also said that, "You take this special mantra; your material enjoyment will be easier." The same: the punah punas carvita. He has no other information. "It will be better." And they accepting. "Oh, my enjoyment will be better? All right, take $35. Give me that mantra." They like it because they are promising that "You will get this..." Politicians also, they are promising, "You take this ism. Your sense gratification will be easier." The same promise. This ism or that ism. This yogi, that yogi. But nobody knows what is actually happiness. Harer nama harer nama harer nama. Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum durasaya ye bahir-artha. They are trying to be happy by sense enjoyment, material body's enjoyment. Durasaya. It is simply a hope which will never be fulfilled. Durasaya. Asaya means hope and dur means very difficult. It will not be possible. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah. And they are being led by such rascal leaders, who are promising sense gratification. Because they are blind, another blind man comes and says that "You will be happy in this way. Come on this way. Your sense gratification will be very much easily satisfied. come on." "Yes. Very good leader." Adanta-gobhih. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanas te 'pi. They forget that they are bound up by the stringent laws of nature. There is no freedom. Only varieties of sense enjoyment is offered because he want, want, wants. Actually, that is not enjoyment. That is bound up. Nature's... If you enjoy more sex life, nature says, "All right, you become impotent for ten years." And still he wants to enjoy. Little this way, that way--immediately punishment. "Oh, you have eaten more, three days suffer. No diet, no food. Suffer dysentery." And they are enjoying. What is this enjoyment? As soon as violate a little of the nature's law you are immediately punished. Na te viduh. Isa-tantryam baddhah. Isa-tantryam, the laws of nature, they are so much bound up, hands and legs. Still, they are declaring freedom. What is the freedom? Immediately he will be kicked by shoes as soon as he violates a little, immediately. There is ocean of salt. Now we require salt for making our foodstuff very tasty. But if you take little more salt, you cannot eat. No, you cannot eat. If you think, "Oh, so much salt? Let me put more salt, more salt," it will be useless. You can take only so much quantity. That's all. In this way you are bound up, always. And still, you are declaring freedom. What freedom? What is the meaning of this freedom? But they are fools. They cannot understand.

Haihaya: Then Krsna consciousness is the right quantity of salt.

Prabhupada: Yes. Krsna consciousness is giving you everything in right way so that you can save your time, you do not waste your time, and you can advance in Krsna consciousness. That is required. We don't say that you stop eating. You eat. Take little Krsna prasadam. We don't say that "Don't sleep." No, you sleep, but must rise early in the morning for mangala-arati. This is our philo... Eating, sleeping, and sex. No, we don't say no sex life. Yes, you have sex life. Get your bona fide wife, live peacefully. And defense also, we have. We never say that you forego all these things. No, this is not our philosophy. But similarly, as much as you absolutely require, not more than that. The balance time, save for advancement. These people are simply engaged for eating, sleeping, mating. They have no time for Krsna consciousness. This condemned civilization must be stopped. Killing, killing civilization. The human being got the opportunity of getting out of this punah punas carvita-carvananam, repeatedly, and they are not being given the chance. They are being engaged more and more for sense gratification, visaya. Killing civilization. Jnana-tapasa. Bahavo jnana-tapasa puta mad-bhavam agatah. By this process, bahavah, many, by knowledge and tapasya. Putah, purified, came back, back to home. Bahavo jnana-tapasa puta mad-bhavam agatah. Vita-raga-bhaya-krodha man-maya mam upasritah, bahavo jnana-tapasa puta mam... What is that, last word?

Nitai: Mad-bhavam agatah.

Prabhupada: Ah, mad-bhavam agatah. Mad-bhavam, "My nature." "My nature" means spiritual nature. Krsna is spirit. Or the another nature. This is material nature. This is another nature. That is kingdom of God, spiritual nature, Vaikuntha planet. Agatah: "They came." Every information is there, every opportunity is there. Simply they are not educated. Therefore the Krsna consciousness movement is meant for educating these rascals. That's all. They are mad after sense gratification. Nunam pramattah, mad. From the morning, as soon as they rise, "Give me a cup of tea, immediately I have to go to there and there and there." What you will do then? "Yes, I will die. I will die in a motor accident. They are waiting for me." All right, go. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma. All kinds of forbidden works they are doing. What? What is the purpose? Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaye. Purpose is only sense gratification. The rascal does not know that "I am doing all these sinful activities for sense gratification, and I will have to accept a very low-grade body." That he does not know. He has already got one low-grade body. He is suffering only. And he will still get another low-grade body, more suffering. That he does not know. But still, he will do everything for sense gratification. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti na sadhu manye: "Oh, it is not good." Na sadhu manye yata atmano' yam: "This kind of activities will cover your soul by body." "Well, this body is temporary. Don't bother." Then another body, rascal. This body is temporary, but you get another body, most abominable. Why you are doing like this? Asann api. Although this body is temporary, but why don't you understand that it is klesada: It is always subjected to miserable condition of material life. Klesada. This is klesada, another body you get, klesada. Any body you get, klesada. Why do you get this? Stop these activities. This is Krsna consciousness. That they do not know. Da means "that gives." Any type of material body you accept will be klesada. They have constructed this building. If for few hours there is severe cold, so many people will die, even in this comfortable building. Is it not? So klesada is there; either you remain in this way or that way, the sufferings will be there. And to take this comfort of this high building, how much klesada, how much miserable condition, one has to pass. "Sir, I am not doing; the workers are doing." But you have to collect the money to pay them. How much miserable it is to acquire this money to pay another klesada, laborer. So simply they are captivated by money. Otherwise it is klesada. Sometimes they fall down and die while constructing. Is it not? Now, I have heard that in New York there are many buildings and there is no tenant. Klesada. The proprietor of the house, he is also suffering. "I have spent so much money. No tenant." In London I have seen there is, for the last six or seven years, very big building. It is vacant.

Dhananjaya: Tottenham Court Road. Yes, that big one. Central Point.

Prabhupada: Yes (laughing). His klesada is if he keeps tenant, that is more miserable than without keeping tenant. Is it not? Yes. Therefore he keeps without. Because so much taxes will have to be paid that it will be more miserable than keeping tenants. So he is avoiding that. So while constructing, it was troublesome; now, keeping this, it is also troublesome. To find out pleasure they have manufactured so many things. But still, they cannot enjoy it. For few minutes they can enjoy; again it is nonsense. "Let us go away." (break)

Satsvarupa: ...that I can actually become a bird or a dog because...

Prabhupada: What are these... Wherefrom these birds and dogs are coming? Let them answer. Wherefrom they are coming?

Nitai: Well, they would say from other birds and dogs.

Prabhupada: Yes, other birds or these birds, wherefrom they are coming?

Satsvarupa: But that's not my condition. I am a human being.

Prabhupada: That you may think, but you do not know the nature's law. You have to accept. Just like this apartment, either you accept or somebody accept. Similarly, these bodies are apartment. You have to accept or your brother has to accept. Somebody must accept. They are also living entities. Wherefrom they are coming? As I am a living entity, they are also living entity. So changing body, I may change to that body, he may change to this body. Where is the unreasonableness? We are all living entities. These are different types of bodies. So we have to accept some body. Similarly, he has to accept some body. So he may accept my body, I may accept his body. This apartment change. I may go to this apartment, he may go to another apartment. But there are so many apartments, grha. Therefore it is called grhamedhi. If you say, "No, no, I am not going to accept that apartment." "No, no, it is not your judgement." Daiva-netrena. "What money you have got, sir, to occupy?" "I have no money." "All right, then go this apartment." You must accept. Karmana daiva-netrena. By your work it will be ascertained what kind of apartment you will get. It is not upon your decision. There are so many, many rascals. They think that after getting human body, he is never degraded. The theosophists think like that. That is very palatable. (laughing) But nature will force him to accept the body of a cat and dog. That is not your decision. Daiva-netrena, the superior decision. Just in office, you get promotion or degradation. That is not your decision. That is the decision of the higher directors. You cannot say that "No, no, I am not going to accept this post." No. You have to accept. Karanam guna-sango 'sya sad-asad-yoni-janmasu. These different types of birth are due to your association with different types of the modes of material nature. Otherwise, why there are so many varieties. One has become crow, one has become sparrow, one has become human being, one has become dog, one has become cat, one has become tree, one has become grass. But nature is so expert that in spite of different varieties of life, the nature assembles them in such a nice way that it looks beautiful. There is grass, there is tree, there is sparrow, there is human being, but arrangement is such nice that everything...
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[740530mw.rom] Morning Walk May 30, 1974, Rome

His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Complete Global Political and Cival Unrest!!! The peace formula ~ your own spiritual civil disobedience. ~REPOST THIS~

Mahatma Gandhi created a peaceful civil disobedient movement and fueled it by his austerities, virtues, fasting on holy days, and observed celibacy. India was peaceful and the Hindus and Muslims live peacefully along side each other and the British incited the tention between the two groups and the hidu Muslim riot wars erupted. Gandhi wanted again a peaceful united India again. Having had been assnianated India was divided into Pakistan and Hindustan (India). The whole Middle East is influenced by Jahid a holly war.

The Iatola was a very powerful alie of the United Sates during world war two and became the self proclaimed prophet God, to incite Jahid during Regan administration.

The Ikdia was trained by the United states and was very instrumental at pushing the USSR in retreat and one week later the Iron Curtain fell along with the then recent falling of the Berlin wall.

At this day and age, The current affair is total civil unrest worldwide.

Nature is responding and we can set the example and change that to influence nature to respond differently ~ more positive life giving results peacefully just by our own personal nomenclature.

The Pantinjali system of mystic yoga incorporates a system of develooping the nessasary virtues by observing these guidelines no meat eating, no gambling, No intoxication, No Illicit sex . (Celibacy)

We sholud external perform as if we have conformed but internally reflect spiritually.

Here are some links to get started with your own spiritual civil disobedience.

http://www.sokaspirit.org/resource/newsletter_41.shtml

The Buddhism of. Nichiren Daishonin teaches that. the way life is, is ... answers all the aspects of. what Nam-myoho-renge-kyo is. www.sgi-uk.org/resources/Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.pdf

http://www.sgi-usa.org/buddhism/library/SokaGakkai/Study/Entrance/LifeDaishonin.htm

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