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Do we presume that this place is still 'public', or what?
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Considering we don't know how whoever accessed the BR achieved it, through hacking, through a mole, or whatever, is it safe to assume they can still access this place, and may be doing so in the coming weeks?If that is so, perhaps we should be a little careful with our subjects. ICQ is useful and can't be hacked very easily.
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That's what I have been stating for some time.
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I gave up posting anything confidential in here ages ago. We should have made the place 'read only' - and stop even trying to pretend it's anything else.
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Yep. I really do not care if these "freedom fighters' know what is said about them, but cry as they might against it... talking in private does help to keep things reasonably calm on this board.
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If there ever was a reason to bring back the weeekly modchats I'd say the recent leak of BR threads is one.
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Honestly, I don't know how much I want to say here in BR anymore. Whoever leaked those threads is bound to still have access here. Until we hear otherwise from C or L, we cant be sure of anything.
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quote:
Originally posted by Verteron:
If that is so, perhaps we should be a little careful with our subjects.
Fuck that shit.  ICQ is not as useful as a discussion forum because none of us are on at the same time, maybe half if we're lucky. Having a discussion in here is a very valuable tool for coming to collecctive decisions and figuring out strategies. The fact that there is a traitor amongst us to some extent is irrelevant. Yes they should be fired, banned, and beaten. But we cannot allow their existence to alter the nature of this forum. The service that this forum provides us is more important than whatever "harm" is created by the leaks. If Daniels or OneofRyan knows that I think they're assholes, why should I care? Is it embarrassing to Mods if threads about other Mods yelling at them make it out there? Yes. Does that outweigh the value of having that discussion with them? No. And to be completely honest, allowing the membership to view these threads after a certain period of time is probably a healthy thing. Like a President's papers becoming public after a few years. It's a nice way for the members to run a check on us. And frankly 99% of them still don't care. I'd support a scheduled release of BR information, like after 90 or 120 days if y'all thought that would actually discourage this stuff. Personally, while I find these leaks annoying, I don't see that it's a critical issue. Hunting down and firing the traitors is another matter since we must assume that beside the leaks they are guilty of other acts to undermine the bbs. But, the trolls already know we don't like them already. Besides, how much more secure is ICQ if the traitor is just going to leak it anyway? ------------------
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quote:
Originally posted by where'sSaavik?:
Besides, how much more secure is ICQ if the traitor is just going to leak it anyway?
Not at all. If this month's threads are here, then it's a hack or it's an asshole in our midsts. *shrug* Either way, I don't care. I've decided Neroon is quite right. WTF does it matter if they've got it? Just delete all the links to TK and pretend it doesn't exist. Don't even allow discussion of it. TK links are removed, their posts cautioned that repeated offenses will lead to permabanning.
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Does that include wordin's signature?
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I think it especially means deleting wordin's sig and any other references he may wish to make about TK. And even delete him. His function for this board throughout his entire time at the BBS has been to foment trouble. I'd say banish the bozo.
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^If we're going with that, you might get an admin to clean up the links in QSF, please. Wordy's had a busy night.
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quote:
Originally posted by RevdKathy:
^If we're going with that, you might get an admin to clean up the links in QSF, please. [b]Wordy's had a busy night.[/B]
I will.
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I did, too. He's now in MA demanding an explanation.Nicely done there, Lisa. Thanks!! *hugs* [This message has been edited by Orion Randy (edited September 15, 2002).]
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Nicely disguised, but the link here called 'SkinofEvil' takes you to TK. Misc mods? Admins? 
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I haven't been doing anything about his sig, b/c I haven't seen any sort of decision being made on the issue.Also: I think it's just lame for us to go editing every instance of a TK sig. People know where to find it if they want it, they don't need the links, and it makes us look LAME.
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Nevermind, I just read the MA thread. I still think this is lame, but whatever.Why, why, why have we not just gotten one of our French speakers to get the BR Exposed site taken down?
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I am all for editing out the TK link, but not the snide comment. That's a bit too much. susannah, I hear what you're saying, and maybe it will damage our already totering reputation. I care not at all what TK thinks about it, but frankly the average emmber..... I can't predict what they will say. SOme may feel it is making us look "lame", others may well get a distorted view of this place from these threads. It's a chance I am willing to take, because most of them here see TK for what they are: pouting little kids upset because we don't do things precisely the way they want. [This message has been edited by Neroon (edited September 15, 2002).]
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quote:
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Why, why, why have we not just gotten one of our French speakers to get the BR Exposed site taken down?
I agree. It's a theft of intellectual property, in fact, and one that the ISP in France should be made aware of. Heck, it might even result in getting TK shut down since that sort of thing is usually a violation of ToS and AUP.
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Susannah: I wrote an email and Stastny translated it into French for me and sent it. We got a reaply, in French, which she said meant they were reviewing the site. Nothing happened.EZboard did nothing when I used a similar argument - the legality aspect - when complaining to them about the old TK. [This message has been edited by Lisa (edited September 15, 2002).]
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Okay, I didn't know that. I feel better now.
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The new TK is hosted at Tell Us Hosting, by the looks of things. I wonder what their AUP and TOS have to say on what goes on there. Researching now.Edit - Bummer. quote:
We have no restrictions regarding the content stored on our servers. We do accept adult content to be stored on our servers.
[This message has been edited by Verteron (edited September 15, 2002).]
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