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Jayson should not have been warned (misc forum)
#356589 - 2002/09/17 01:58 AM
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Jayson was warned for trolling in this thread because he posted about a possible terrorist attack at the monday night football game in washington monday night.he wasn't trolling. i was watching the game as it happened. there was an unknown substance on one of the sidelines that was giving the philadelphia players symptoms like burning lungs and and difficulty breathing it took officials a good 10 minutes to figure out that the cause was pepper spray from the stadium security, which had been released to control a fight in the stands for those 10 minutes, the possibility seemed very real that it was a terrorist attack of some sort. there is no reason for Jayson to be warned, unless we're going to start warning people for reporting the news
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I concur completely. There is no intent here to cause trouble - only someone reporting on a possibility of a terrorist action - he never even said that it was a terrorist attack, only that it might be.
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I agree that warning him for it was a bit harsh. [This message has been edited by AdAstra (edited September 17, 2002).]
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The warning is indeed debateable, but I think you could have stated your opinion in this thread with more tact Cirrus. I for one do not have a problem when fellow mods criticize one of my decisions in MA but I would if they stated their thoughts like you did![This message has been edited by Scotty (edited September 17, 2002).]
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I watched the game as it happened, too, and when I saw a scuffle in the crowd start, it didn't take long for me to assume "oh, goody, another football fight". Then the cloud seeped out towards the players, I thought, "getting out of hand, I guess..." and a few minutes later, it's reported as pepper spray from a cop.Jayson coming out and going "Possible terrorism! Possible terrorism!" in his subject, then saying very calmly in his actual post, "Maybe or maybe not"... NO. I have watched and read Jayson's posts for a long time, and I know he pushes extremes, but this is a grossly unnecessary extreme, and he knows it. Even if he wasn't just trying to call attention on himself and the thread (if you're buying into the whole "oh, he overreacted"... please, give me a break...), he wasn't able to keep his little fingers away from the board for 180 little seconds? Utter hogwash.
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quote:
you could have stated your opinion in this thread with more tact Cirrus
you want to talk about bad tact?this poor guy was given a warning because he reported on what very possibly could have been a major catastrophe. it turned out not to be. and true, had he waited 5 more minutes he would have known that... but the base fact remains that he thought the lives of tens of thousands of people were in direct danger. certainly that would be worthy of a little attention on the board. and a little understanding from a mod
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Jayson has frequently thrown out outrageous subject headings (as well as threads) almost purely for the sake of saying them, with little to no value whatsoever other than drawing attention. Sometimes he's tolerated, sometimes he's not. This is not a time I will tolerate it.I think sturmde is quite right when he describes this as the equivalent of someone yelling "BOMB" during a fire drill. I seriously doubt Jayson is so incompetent that he's unable to even watch the damn program for three minutes, write a title that isn't so off-the-wall and not realize it one bit -- the man is smarter than he lets on, and he knows when he pushes buttons and how to push buttons.
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I think it is folly to mix the two issues of the poorly chosen thread title and the "he could have waited 3 minutes." We do not punish people for being impulsive. We punish them if they post in bad ways, whether those posts be impulse-driven or not. I do support the warning. It is extremely akin to shouting "fire" in a crowded theater.
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you're right.it's akin to shouting "fire" in a movie theatre where the sprinklers just went off
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I agree with Cirrus. The warning is absolutely ridiculous and there's no way it should stand. The thread shouldn't even have been closed. It would have made for an interesting discussion if you ask me.For the love of God people, enough with the warnings. They are not the only tool at our disposition. We're moderators, not police officers. [This message has been edited by Rob Hal (edited September 18, 2002).]
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Jayson should have known better, his post was intended more to draw attention to himself rather than inform anyone of anything. This is his modus operandi. Cirrus should also have known better. Disagreeing with other Mods' actions in public is one thing. Openly mocking them is another. If we're not even going to bother giving each other the benefit of the doubt, why pretend that we're part of the same team? ------------------
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quote:
Originally posted by where'sSaavik?:
Jayson should have known better, his post was intended more to draw attention to himself rather than inform anyone of anything. This is his modus operandi. Cirrus should also have known better. Disagreeing with other Mods' actions in public is one thing. Openly mocking them is another. If we're not even going to bother giving each other the benefit of the doubt, why pretend that we're part of the same team?
Obviously, I can't help but agree with the first part of your post, saavik, but I hardly call Cirrus's posts mocking... far from it. All I see is a moderator saying two sentences -- "This warning is ridiculous. It should be rescinded" -- and doing so in a non-condescending fashion. God kill us if we all became so unnecessarily verbose...  [This message has been edited by PreHensile (edited September 18, 2002).]
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Calling the actions of another Mod "ridiculous" is in and of itself, an act of derision intended to ridicule the Mod in question. Hence the word. I'm not saying that Cirrus isn't entitled to his opinion. I'm just saying that it would be better if that particular opinion weren't expressed so publicly. Purposely embarassing your peers seems like a needless way of conveyng your point.
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quote:
Originally posted by where'sSaavik?:
Jayson should have known better, his post was intended more to draw attention to himself rather than inform anyone of anything. This is his modus operandi.
To be fair, you could say this about every one of his posts. Why not warn him for them as well? It's incidents like this that are dicey. Although experience may convince you of any ulterior motives he might have, the surface makes it look quite different to most members here.
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Posted by where'sSaavik?
quote:
Calling the actions of another Mod "ridiculous" is in and of itself, an act of derision intended to ridicule the Mod in question. Hence the word.
I agree completely.
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