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Two questions about the Movie Forum
#751610 - 2003/02/07 09:39 PM
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Back when the ENT Forum opened almost two years ago, all the threads dealing with ENT that were previously in the FOT Forum were moved.
Is something similiar to that going to happen with the Movies Forum? Will anything dealing exclusively with the movies in TOS, TNG, and GTD be automatically transferred over with the advent of the new forum?
Also, where should we move discussions involving Phase 2? I discussed this with JKTim about a week or so ago and, more recently, with Evil Robert. I was on the fence about Phase 2 because I was thinking should belong in the movies forum since it's what eventually becomes TMP, but on the other hand, since Phase 2 itself technically isn't a movie it wouldn't belong in a movies forum and would only really be of interest to TOS fans, that it should stay in TOS.
I'd like to hear a firm word on both of these, because I don't want posters in any of the forums to get confused.
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As I told LG when he and I discussed this, I think that any discussion of Phase II should probably stay in TOS. After all, Phase II was a proposed television series.
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Yes, threads that are exclusivley movie need to be moved when the changeover happens.
I also had an idea about giving the TOS forum a little more scope to address concerns about it being harmed by a movie forum. How about changing the forum description to make it clear TAS discussion should be placed in there?
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I'd say Phase two should really remain in TOS, unless it's specifically looking at the way it transformed into TMP. TOS is the forum that is going to be affected most by the new development, so being reasonably relaxed at what transfers over seems like a good idea, in the first instance.
Anything relating to an exclusive movie appearance, such as the Ent. A, needs to transfer across though. The same goes with the Ent. E, although I'd be a little unsure how to deal with D vs E comparisons.
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Posted by JKTim:
As I told LG when he and I discussed this, I think that any discussion of Phase II should probably stay in TOS. After all, Phase II was a proposed television series.
Bingo. Just because it never made it to the TV screen and essentially was later used as the basis for a movie (wasn't it?), it still was intended to be a series spun off from Star Trek. Ergo, that's the forum in which it belongs.
Lisa, that sounds good. However, I hope people don't get too anal abuot moving movie topics to the new forum. If there is some confusion and protest at first, it needs to be handled with good-natured humor and care. These days, it doesn't seem to take much to tick people off.
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After all, Phase II was a proposed television series.
Well, to be nitpicky, the project went from movie (1975-1977), to TV series (1977), to movie (1979)... 
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This sound like a logistical nightmare!
TOS films SHOULD be discussed in the TOS forum (granted, this gets harder with GENs, but discression can be allowed on that one), with movies 8-10 in the TNG forum.
It's that easy.
The TOS films should be discussed in the TOS forum. It's a shame that they're gonna be removed from there, considering it's the same characters etc, and if someone wants to talk about TOS-era Vulcans, and their mind-meld powers for example - this could go into both TOS forum and the movies forum.
Terrible beuracracy nightmare on this one!
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^^ROFLOL! My Lord, you two are GEEKS!
Yeah well... Goes with the online job...
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Posted by daedalus5:
This sound like a logistical nightmare!
TOS films SHOULD be discussed in the TOS forum (granted, this gets harder with GENs, but discression can be allowed on that one), with movies 8-10 in the TNG forum.
It's that easy.
The TOS films should be discussed in the TOS forum. It's a shame that they're gonna be removed from there, considering it's the same characters etc, and if someone wants to talk about TOS-era Vulcans, and their mind-meld powers for example - this could go into both TOS forum and the movies forum.
Terrible beuracracy nightmare on this one!
d5, that's what I said...
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Posted by daedalus5:TOS films SHOULD be discussed in the TOS forum (granted, this gets harder with GENs, but discression can be allowed on that one), with movies 8-10 in the TNG forum.
It's that easy.
How many people have expressed interest in a Movies forum? I know that ever since the first time I went into QS&F, there have been requests for one.
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Phase 2 discussions should go to TOS, since it would have been a complete rehash anyway. A comparison of Phase 2 to the TMP product might be better suited for GTD since I vote for considering them seperate properties. Discussions of how some Phase 2 concepts were incorporated into TNG would be also be a GTD topic.
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Lisa:
How about changing the forum description to make it clear TAS discussion should be placed in there?
I thought TAS discussions were banned from all forums. Y'know, because TAS sucks balls.
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ROFLOL! My Lord, you two are GEEKS!
Lisa, on the next update of the board rules could we add a warning category? Anytime any member of a Star Trek board accuses another member of said Star Trek board of being a "geek" we warn them for their complete lack of self awareness.
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wS?, you are talking to the only member of this board who can't name a single episode by title or remember if it is the odd or even numbered Trek movies that suck. I didn't even know there was an animated series until six months ago.
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Posted by where'sSaavik?:
A comparison of Phase 2 to the TMP product might be better suited for GTD since I vote for considering them seperate properties.
You know, here I was ready to type up an FAQ (with a fancy speech) about what should and shouldn't go into TOS next month, and here you are throwing me off and complicating things even more! I hope you're happy.
TMP and Phase 2 are not completely seperate properties. Phase 2's pilot, "In Thy Image", is a rough draft of TMP.
I agree with the notion that if we have to split things up then any dicussion of Phase 2 itself can stay in TOS, but any discussion of how it becomes TMP should go into the movies forum.
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LG is right. The transition is going to be painful enough, we don't need to complicate matters further by dragging GTD into the discussion.
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GTD is relevant by its very nature since all topics of "general" (hence multi-forum) interest are germain there.
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^ Your proposal:
Basic Phase 2 discussions - TOS
Comparison of Phase 2 to TMP - GTD
Discussion of Phase 2's incorporation into TNG - GTD
Almost all discussion of Phase II would end up bringing in TNG and/or TMP. By that logic, all Phase II discussion belongs in GTD. But what if, on the off-chance, it doesn't bring in TMP? Then it stays in TOS. But say someone starts a thread in Movies specifically about TMP, and then discussion goes to what aspects of TMP were taken from Phase II? GTD for that, too?
Simplify. Don't complicate matters more than they already are.
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It's just like anything else that may or may not have relevance to multiple forums. We expect Mods to exercise common sense. Alot of this boils down to the intent of the thread.
I open a thread to talk about Xon in TOS because I think he would've been a cool character.
Now, if I want to compare and contrast his proposed character arc with the parallel/counter character arc Spock had in TMP that's a discussion that touches on issues that TOSers and Movie people would be interested in seeing. It's of general interest.
No different than a compare/contrast thread about Worf and Torres, it could conceivably go into three different Trek forums since it involves three shows. We put it in GTD because that's where those cross-the-lines topics would go.
Now sometimes threads do go off in directions that the originator didn't intend or forsee. That's fine. And we can suggest members fork off subtopics. But I don't see the need to move a Xon thread in TOS around to other forums if half way through it a few people start talking about how how he might relate to T'Pol.
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Posted by where'sSaavik?:
It's just like anything else that may or may not have relevance to multiple forums. We expect Mods to exercise common sense. Alot of this boils down to the intent of the thread.
Hold it. Hold it. Stop right there! Just because I came to a different conclusion than you, doesn't mean I'm not excercizing common sense.
Let's dissect this:
There's a thread that compares Spock to Xon in TMP. There are two possible threads that can come of this: (a) comparing Spock in general to Xon. That belongs in TOS. Spock is a TOS character, Xon would've been a TOS character. It belongs in the TOS Forum. (b) "How would Xon have been if they used him in TMP instead of Spock?" Xon was in the first draft of ***TMP***, after Phase 2 was canned, Spock wasn't written into the script because TPTW didn't know if they'd be able to get Leonard Nimoy back at the time Robert Wise took over. Xon was originally going to be in that movie, so that discussion belongs in the Movie Forum.
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I open a thread to talk about Xon in TOS because I think he would've been a cool character.
That's fine.
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Now, if I want to compare and contrast his proposed character arc with the parallel/counter character arc Spock had in TMP that's a discussion that touches on issues that TOSers and Movie people would be interested in seeing. It's of general interest.
See my comments and the words I stressed earlier.
IMO, this would be the best way to go:
Phase 2 - TOS
Phase 2 vs. TOS - TOS
"In Thy Image" vs. TMP - Movies
Phase 2 vs. TNG - GTD
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Now you see why I wanted to argue and hammer this out in here first, before we have to deal with it out there!
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wS?, you are talking to the only member of this board who can't name a single episode by title or remember if it is the odd or even numbered Trek movies that suck. I didn't even know there was an animated series until six months ago.
I so hope you're being sarcastic!
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I am so not being sarcastic. I didn't know there was an animated series until one of the guys on my sim started running a subplot based on the TAS episode where they go to the fish world. (No, I have no clue what the episode name was.)
Oh, but I did sort of exxagerate about the episode titles. I know that the first episode of TNG was "Encounter at Farpoint" and the last was "All Good Things." All the rest are identified by description. Like the one where Troi gets pregnant by that alien atom-looking thing and her son causes a containment field failure in the filed around a deadly virus and then has to die. She named him Ian after her father.  One of my favorites is where Picard and Beverly get captured on that world where one half is battling the other and they have that telepathic link implanted and can hear each other's thoughts.
sorry, what can I say. I'm a fan and like the shows, but I am not so obsessed that I bother to learn episode titles and whatnot.
Oh and as for the movies, I hated that whale one (The Voyage Home?). I iked Nemesis though. Generations and First Contact were among the best. I even liked Insurrection. I thought it was fun. Never cared much for Search for Spock. I liked Wrath of Khan because, well, I really like Khan! What a Dom!!!!
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Hold it. Hold it. Stop right there! Just because I came to a different conclusion than you, doesn't mean I'm not excercizing common sense.
Oh, no. That's not what I meant. Sorry I wasn't more clear. I meant that we have to apply the rules, but we don't have to do it legalistically. We use our common sense, our judgement. We're in agreement over this.
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Phase 2 - TOS
Phase 2 vs. TOS - TOS
"In Thy Image" vs. TMP - Movies
Phase 2 vs. TNG - GTD
Sounds good to me.
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