On the subject of the Coconut : "We now come to the ethno-botanical evidence about Trans-Pacific voyages; the possible carrying of esculent and other plants between the Old and New Worlds by human means. When we wrote in 1971, this appeared to constitute rather strong evidence for trans-pacific contacts, but while many other culture-traits that we have mentioned seem to have grown in importance, this line of argument seems to have greatly declined. In spite of the repeated efforts of Carter to maintain its importance, the present position is more as stated in the lucid view of Baker and this is broadly supported by judicious authors, even though favororable to diffusion, such as Tolstoy. It was at one time believed that the distribution of the coconut palm ( COCUS NUCIFERA) and the gourd or calabash (LAGENARIA SICERARIA) both indicated transmission across the Pacific by human means. But it is now considered that both of them could have been sea-borne (NEEDHAM AND LU, pg 60)." JOSEPH NEEDHAM AND LU QWEI-DJEN, TRANS-PACIFIC ECHOES AND RESONANCES; LISTENING ONCE AGAIN. (1985: Singapore, Philadelphia: World Scientific) I hasten to add, for the sake of fairly representing this quote, that in 1985 Needham was still defending diffusion -- he has just thrown in the towel on the coconut and gourd. He still maintains that the Sweet Potato is still a very likely candidate as evidence of contact (pg 61). He also mentions the "chinese" peanut, cotton, and a strange plant found in Assam in the 1950's which one researcher (Jeffreys) maintains represents a pre-contact maize, and the Amaranths, but Needham expresses the doubtfulness and ambiguity of all of these. If the full quotation is desired, I will give it. As to the culture traits which have grown in importance, since I haven't read the earlier Needham, I don't know how RELATIVELY strong or weak his current culture traits (in comparison to the earlier work) are but I still find them all weak and unsupported. This isn't always his fault; I suspect he would not have even tried to make the laconic case he did for the "resemblence" between Mayan hieroglyphs and Chinese characters (pg 16) if the state of Mayan epigraphy was (in 1985) where it is now. Though by '85 most of the real breakthroughs had happened, it had not really had time to sink in everywhere. This assertion that even Needham's "strongest" arguments are weak is my own opinion, but in each case I'd be happy to share where I think the weakness lies. --Greg Keyes