Present:

Sandman
Zoran
Rollo the Axe
Bretval
Venator
Austin
Master of one
Frederick
PAX
Jason
Lionheart

Sissy

rykl
natasha
ruby
moira
flicka
swtpea
mirren

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:34:05 pm CST
growls rti here,, Zoran please get things started Brother

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:35:03 pm CST
Nods to Sandman Ok if any have a topic Whisoer it to me Keep greeting to whisper

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:36:57 pm CST
Pops flika on the ass will you scribe

flicka ~GS~ fg. 19:39:20 pm CST
~chuckling~ yes Master Zoran.

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:39:54 pm CST
Ah now we have. A scribe Now I need a topic

Sissy 19:47:54 pm CST
quietly waiting for a topic

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:47:58 pm CST
Topic With the past things that have been said on the corks is the Eforum becoming a subversive presence in GS?

ruby~{Randolph}~t 19:49:11 pm CST
smiling to the topic discussed at EForum...now published

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 19:49:40 pm CST
No it is not...

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:49:40 pm CST
No I will say I feel that it is good to have as we have people from all over he world in GS It makes sense to me not all are night owls like my natasha

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:51:22 pm CST
I would hope if one can they would come to the main forum But we must be reasonable that not all can make that

LionHeart of Old 19:51:38 pm CST
I have read a little of this ---- not enough to speak with great confidence, BUT it would seem that things spoken in public by people willing to state their names can not damage a place as much as ghosts and cowards that "claim" to speak for the group trying to drive folk out --

natasha{Zoran} 19:51:38 pm CST
not in this girl's opinion it caters to people who cant make it to regular forum, and some do attend both forums.

Sissy 19:52:33 pm CST
I agree LionHeart

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:53:01 pm CST
Well said LH well said It is not like this is a secret society with in are home

flicka ~GS~ fg. 19:53:01 pm CST
flicka only has one thing to say to this: why do we given credence to such rubbish by even discussing it in Forum? Always there will be persons who are so twisted, petty and insignificant that their only raison d'etre is to attempt to sow seeds of dissension toward what they are too malignant to be a part of.

Frederick - Owner of rykl 19:53:07 pm CST
so what is the issue or problem then? The mere fact that E-forum exists? or what is being said there? -confused-

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:54:00 pm CST
Does the secret hand shake to Venator and Austin Just kidding as I laugh while doing it

ruby~{Randolph}~t 19:54:21 pm CST
Master Lionheart girls opinion as well..nodding in concurrence

Austin - Scholar- 19:54:41 pm CST
My Question is why waste energy on ghosts or anonymous ... If they don't have the courage to put their name to a statement.. then what they say is insignificant... Trolls behind the computer

Venator-Warrior 19:54:45 pm CST
Puts away Communist Party membership card, hopes Senator McCarthy is not listening.

Master of one - Owner of torri 19:55:07 pm CST
Agreed Austin

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:55:12 pm CST
You are so right flika But is better to talk and make down to the size it deserves Very very small

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:55:51 pm CST
Try not to laughs at Venator

Sissy 19:55:53 pm CST
I agree..Next Topic

flicka ~GS~ fg. 19:56:12 pm CST
Euro forum serves a function, after all even Gor is on a global planet and ergo has more than one time zone.

Master of one - Owner of torri 19:56:33 pm CST
That's Comrade Venator to You Zoran

LionHeart of Old 19:56:36 pm CST
I am afraid I disagree

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:56:37 pm CST
Laughs give me one and will go to the next topic Laughs

Sissy 19:57:13 pm CST
surely there is something else to talk about

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:57:19 pm CST
Da One da Laughs

ruby~{Randolph}~t 19:57:58 pm CST
mistress flicka agrees however somtimes things should be discussed...for a finality...not to fester worse drama

LionHeart of Old 19:59:04 pm CST
The point in speaking of such is that LIGHT destroys their power. Even a stubborn old SOB (said fondly Rollo) like Rollo can come to doubt Himself -- how much more so do slaves, Women, or younger FM take such stuff into their heads and leave?

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:59:06 pm CST
topic should only the Captians have the power to put on a GS collar or should some older pledges be allowed ?

Rollo the Ax 19:59:11 pm CST
As the main person posting this issue I can only repeat what I was told.... all truth there had been only a couple of vague innuendos about such actions from * the Eforum * but not openly ..... then I had a major run in with some dip stick that out and out said that the Eforum group was going to * overthrow * the Council .... refering to more members and such and Gary M ..... it sounded like crap, but if there was ANY chance that it was true I had to inform the Council of what was said ....

Sissy 19:59:47 pm CST
seems it has been discussed enough...nobody is trying to cut out the other so why continue giving the crap attention

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:01:16 pm CST
Thank you for your words Rollo and you are right

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:01:21 pm CST
ruby all the talking in the world will not give closure on such a topic. As a Trot from way back. ~quiet nod to Master Venator and Zoran~ It is important that we maintain an united front.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:02:33 pm CST
lowers eyes "yes, mistress flicka"

LionHeart of Old 20:03:19 pm CST
But sadly Sissy that is not true I have been told I should not come here Rollo told He was a Bully and disliked by "most here" All in whispers by anons -- of such take on such, well stubborn Bastards as He and I THINK what do to weaker folk

Sissy 20:06:07 pm CST
LionHeart I have been talked about behind my back here and over at PoolSide...people talk bad about others because they are jealous or just wanna stir dramatic BS...and if weaker folk believe gossip do you really care what they believe or think?

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:06:42 pm CST
There have been try's in the lpast and I do not think this is happening

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:07:08 pm CST
I had My say in the corks... trust a pledged patron of 5 or 6 years ... or to a coward you hides in shadows... nothing more to be said as as far as I am concerned

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:07:08 pm CST
And therein lies the rub Master LionHeart, they have not the courage of their convictions to say anything with their own appellation. So why place any credence on the words of a coward and a naysayer who is not willing to be open in their negativity?

Rollo the Ax 20:07:41 pm CST
Okay, okay .... I can take a * hint * ... I will say no more about this subject unless or until it is brought to me again ..... do or did I think that the whole Eforum group was a bunch of subversives ?? HELL NO .... but once a serpent has bit you, it is a little late to watch your footing .... let it drop .....

Sissy 20:07:54 pm CST
and LionHeart you have as much right here as I do and I can say Honestly and without Hesitation Rollo is No Bully

LionHeart of Old 20:07:55 pm CST
~shrugs~ I know such talk hurts the growth and cohesiveness of a community -- and have no wish for that to happen here even though it is not My home

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:08:04 pm CST
I do think we need to move to the second topic that was brought up So no more on the subject

Sissy 20:10:39 pm CST
and what was the 2nd topic Zoran

Rollo the Ax 20:12:38 pm CST
What is the next topic, Zoran I missed it .......

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:13:29 pm CST
Topic agian Should the Captian be the only ones allowed to collar GS slaves Or should some of the older pleges be allowed to do it as well?

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:14:10 pm CST
Master Zoran, how to define older pledges? ~little smile~ how long is a piece of string? Having said that flicka is of the opinion, and it is her opinion alone because only Captains have the right to rule our home. Flicka is of the opinion that Advisors and Mentors should be able to bestow a GS collar. For those Men have proven Their loyalty and trustworthiness in the eyes of the Captains.

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:14:49 pm CST
the Council owns the GS slaves so it would be there prerogative to bestow a GS collar.... no one else

LionHeart of Old 20:14:51 pm CST
I would refrain the question a bit --- what does even a Visitor like Myself do when He encounters a FW flaunting the rules of the place (eg: going to the baths) so that a killing or collaring is almost "required" is not collaring such to the HOME and letting the Members and Captains better than letting the person make a joke of the place?

Sissy 20:15:23 pm CST
staying quiet cause to my understanding FW are not allowed to collar

Venator-Warrior 20:15:24 pm CST
Nods to Bretval who beat me to the buzzer.

LionHeart of Old 20:16:34 pm CST
It would seem collaring TO the home would be an honorable GIFT to the Home -- THEN membership and council can destroy or retain the slave

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:16:57 pm CST
Lh in the situation tie the. To the whiling post and cut and paste to the Captians

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:17:52 pm CST
I agree with flika as we have been bestowed the trust of the Captians But it is there choice

LionHeart of Old 20:18:09 pm CST
((OK I am sorry here I making typos and omissions all over the place -- bad cold and lack of sleep with working most of the long weekend while sick making Me even a worst typist than normal))

Master of one - Owner of torri 20:18:32 pm CST
That type of person Lionheart tends not to return or wouldn't honor the collar

moira {Venator} 20:18:53 pm CST
In this girl's humble opinion, this question can only be decided by the Captains

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:19:13 pm CST
~sweet smile~ Master LionHeart, flicka has been known to correct typos for a consideration.

LionHeart of Old 20:20:02 pm CST
That is probably true, but a few do AND is it not better to play it out as should be in a Gorean Home and not just let such have the rub of the place?

PAX 20:20:02 pm CST
Mmmmm the council owns the GS slaves ?

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:20:07 pm CST
nodding to the insightful as always...moira

LionHeart of Old 20:21:09 pm CST
~chuckling wondering what kind of "consideration" a sweet little slut might enjoy~

Sissy 20:21:11 pm CST
Aye Pax the Council owns all slaves with a GS collar

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:21:20 pm CST
I agree with you LH It is better to rollplay it out even if they do not abide I done it a few times

PAX 20:21:42 pm CST
Making note

Sissy 20:22:15 pm CST
Pax are you a member of the Council?

Rollo the Ax 20:22:30 pm CST
It should be an actual Captain to do a formal GS collaring ... but to just throw steel around a bare neck to hold them for any Captain should be an action and privilege of any Master ...... but it should be made clear that it is NOT the full or final collaring

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:22:31 pm CST
I would like to hear the opinions offered her. moira is correct, the final decision on such a matter is decided by the Council

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:22:43 pm CST
Have done the same a time or two Zoran

PAX 20:22:46 pm CST
No Sissy I am not

torri{Master's one}~t 20:25:07 pm CST
~listens quietly~

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:26:08 pm CST
Leting my hand runn between her legs My finger slideing in out of her sweet wet pussy I do love teasing my slut Buti he her neck

Venator-Warrior 20:26:53 pm CST
Points to the whisper option for my elder Brother.

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:26:55 pm CST
Dam it Slide that to my slave I truly hate that whisoer button

torri{Master's one}~t 20:27:46 pm CST
~fans herself~

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:27:53 pm CST
chuckles having failed to click on the whisper box once or twice myself

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:27:54 pm CST
there is the ~O~ collar, Captain that is available to Master's below the Council level... it is a system that works as far as I see

Austin - Scholar- 20:28:01 pm CST
For once I am going to be quiet to my older brother... Age Bro.. you tend to forget all steps to whispering

natasha{Zoran} 20:28:01 pm CST
picks up the whisper, a fiery blush on her face

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:28:12 pm CST
~whispers to Master LionHeart~ less consideration than Master Zoran will have to pay for the removal of that errant whisper.

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:28:27 pm CST
Laughs that button is dangerous

natasha{Zoran} 20:28:42 pm CST
those who take the GS collar do such usually after their O collar has expired or some like circumstances, so their willingness and intention to join the GS chain is well known in those cases, if it is due to time zones constrictions, maybe the Council could name some trusted Pledged who can make the collaring, with the caution that till it is not ratified on the corks by a Council member, it has no full validity, or something like that.

LionHeart of Old 20:28:53 pm CST
LOL --- won't be the first or last time, Zoran, that one of Us does that! Over at My home can be worse as there the drop downs are direct addresses and if forget to change from a Master to a slave can be VERY "odd"

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:29:20 pm CST
Grins to flika

Austin - Scholar- 20:29:25 pm CST
zoran depends on what buttons your pushing.. as being dangerous

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:30:03 pm CST
Laughs at LH That would be bad

natasha{Zoran} 20:30:09 pm CST
Master Austin... it was evident which button he was pushing and which he wasnt *laughs*

LionHeart of Old 20:30:36 pm CST
But again in the case I referenced it would seem the "O" collar is more reward and protection than a punitive act for bad behavior

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:34:34 pm CST
It is neither LionHeart ... it is protection so the new members can learn about GS and decide it she wants to make this her Home

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:34:42 pm CST
Sandman my rt is pulling friend

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:35:16 pm CST
smiling go ahead Brother Zoran I will take over, thank you for taking over from me

LionHeart of Old 20:36:13 pm CST
~shrugs~ In My world slaves do not make such decisions --- I too feel rt and My furs pulling be well all

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:36:56 pm CST
A girl thinks we are speaking of two different things here. Firstly a slave who perhaps has been in an O collar and now desires to beg a GS collar. Secondly a person who maybe is a gamer, either a Free Woman or a slave who has drifted into our home. In the first instance A Captain or perhaps a Mentor or Advisor should formally collar the girl. In the second instance, unless the Master wishes to place His own collar around the person's neck, flicka does not think that such a person should be thrust upon the Captains of Gorean Shores without Their consent. So the answer would be to lash her to the whipping post with appropriate logs on the boards, there to await the decision of a Captain as to her fate.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:38:34 pm CST
agrees Master Lionheart ,in girls opinion...one of the perks of being a slave...there are no decisions to ponder...a Masters word is Law...plain and simple

Sissy 20:38:41 pm CST
I won't take offense to that comment flicka..I am No Gamer

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:40:13 pm CST
~laughing softly~ No You are not a gamer Mistress Sissy and even though flicka suspects many a Master would enjoy seeing His steel around Your throat a girl doubts that You would so flaunt the Gorean rules as to be in any danger.

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:40:20 pm CST
and scare off possible new slaves, ruby?

Sissy 20:40:32 pm CST
how would a girl know if she is slave if she doesn't come to observe other slaves ruby..and how is said girl to interest a Master if she doesn't visit GS?

Sissy 20:41:22 pm CST
my mouth gets me into trouble flicka but I do try to follow the rules

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:41:56 pm CST
Mistress Sissy a slave may stay in the no capture zones ie the Piazza

LionHeart of Old 20:42:02 pm CST
Agrees with flicka about the 2 different topics, but not all her conclusions as far from "foisting" such a slave's throat can simply be slit Winds and night

torri{Master's one}~t 20:43:57 pm CST
~listening as she shifts upon her heels~

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:44:13 pm CST
well the Council will discuss and offer a ruling on who beyond the Council/Advisors may collar a slave for GS.. thank you all for your discussion

Sissy 20:44:18 pm CST
ruby you know as well as I that there is a difference between a sub and a slave

Austin - Scholar- 20:44:27 pm CST
flicka you are so smart.. Smiles thats why your fg

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:44:33 pm CST
does anyone else wish to say something on the subject?

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:45:16 pm CST
another place that is mainly empty, ruby.... sorry but the face to really see the action is in the Tavern... it has been working since the inception so why go back?

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:45:20 pm CST
~chuckling~ why thank You Master Austin.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:45:27 pm CST
Mistress Sissy.. of course speaks with respect thats not apart of the topic

Venator-Warrior 20:45:41 pm CST
None here, Captain.

Austin - Scholar- 20:46:23 pm CST
None here Captain

Sissy 20:46:31 pm CST
and why is it not part of the topic ruby..tell me how 1 is to know if she is slave or a sub if she doesn't observe?

torri{Master's one}~t 20:46:48 pm CST
Nothing from this one, thank You for asking, Master Sandman...

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:47:18 pm CST
nothing more, Captain

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:47:33 pm CST
An uncollared slave may visit a capture zone three times with impunity, and even more often if a Master grants her protection. How often such protection is granted remains the balliwick of the Free Persons.

Sissy 20:47:34 pm CST
Nothing more from me..I don't wish to argue

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:48:08 pm CST
Master Bretval with respect if slaves are in the safe zones...Masters will attend too

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:48:54 pm CST
Nothing further from flicka Master Sandman.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:49:05 pm CST
Master Sandman ruby has nothing more to add

Rollo the Ax 20:49:16 pm CST
I have said enough brother Sandman ..... nothing more here
moira {Venator} 20:50:11 pm CST
Nothing from this girl Master Sandman

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:50:38 pm CST
while any freeneck is at risk in the tavern, it has been my experience that unless the girl comes in with the desire to rp being force collared, it isn't very likely a force collar will occur

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:51:13 pm CST
~nodding at the wisdom of Master Sandman.~

moira {Venator} 20:51:29 pm CST
Agrees with Master Sandman

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:52:05 pm CST
point well taken Master Sandman thank You

PAX 20:52:35 pm CST
Nothjng more

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:53:18 pm CST
that doesn't guarantee safety for freeneck flaunting her status, but most of us realize its better if someone wants to be here.. otherwise the just disappear and are never seen again

PAX 20:53:43 pm CST
Smiling

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:53:52 pm CST
Then the ~O~ collars are no longer needed?

Austin - Scholar- 20:54:14 pm CST
Nods to Sandman's wisdom

flicka ~GS~ fg. 20:55:34 pm CST
With respect Master Bretval, in this girl's opinion the o collar serves an important role. The way flicka sees it is: a girl comes into our home knowing little about us, she visits maybe once or twice, and is enthralled by the Gor that is us. She begs an O collar and it proceeds from there.

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:56:08 pm CST
no Bretval,, the o collar is a formal declaration that a girl is being given a chance to learn about GS,, I strongly recommend o collars be given within the first visit or two of a freneck

Master of one - Owner of torri 20:56:30 pm CST
I agree...the O collar is important

PAX 20:57:27 pm CST
Agrees O collars are needed

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:57:31 pm CST
That was one I thought as well, flicka... but is not what I am hearing

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:58:07 pm CST
ruby did not mean to infer the o collar was not an important role in GS...it is indeed

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:59:11 pm CST
Thank you for the clarification, Captain because that is how I always looked at it

Rollo the Ax 20:59:48 pm CST
I also feel that * O * collars are very important ..... they provide a level of safety or security for a new girl so that she has the time needed to learn and decide if GS is the right place for her

Sissy 21:01:01 pm CST
and that is what I have been saying the whole time

ruby~{Randolph}~t 21:01:08 pm CST
girl only agreed with Master Lionheart...that slaves dont make decisions

Austin - Scholar- 21:01:25 pm CST
Thank you for Eeveryones insight tonight.. RTI is pushing me.. Have a good week if I don't see Yyou Aall sooner

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:03:46 pm CST
folks are there any topics for discussion?

torri{Master's one}~t 21:04:50 pm CST
Not from this one, thank You for asking, Master Sandman...

flicka ~GS~ fg. 21:06:01 pm CST
Master Sandman, flicka loves the chance to say No to a Master. ~chuckling~ Nay flicka has no more to say.

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 21:06:31 pm CST
Nothing more from Me Captain

Venator-Warrior 21:06:41 pm CST
None here

Rollo the Ax 21:07:16 pm CST
Nothing here brother .......

PAX 21:07:36 pm CST
None from Me Captain

ruby~{Randolph}~t 21:07:36 pm CST
nothing more from ruby Master

natasha{Zoran} 21:08:08 pm CST
none from this one, Master Sandman

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:09:37 pm CST
well folks if we have no more topics I am going to call forum to a close Thanks for participating folks and special thanks to our scribe

flicka ~GS~ fg. 21:10:32 pm CST
Thank You Master Sandman for so ably taking over from Master Zoran.

Sissy 21:10:55 pm CST
Thanks SandMan & Zoran for leading & flicka for scribing

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 21:11:10 pm CST
My thanks to You and Zoan for leading, Captain Sanddman and to the lovely flicka for scribing

Venator-Warrior 21:11:15 pm CST
Thanks to Sandman and Zoran for leading and flicka for scribing.

natasha{Zoran} 21:11:45 pm CST
thank You Master Sandman for leading and mistress flicka for scribing

ruby~{Randolph}~t 21:11:52 pm CST
thank You Master Sandman and Master Zoran for leading mistress flicka for scribing

torri{Master's one}~t 21:12:09 pm CST
This one thanks You, Master Sandman and Master Zoran in abstinence for leading and to mistress for scribing...

PAX 21:12:33 pm CST
MY thanks Captain Sandman and Zoran
mirren{Hunter}~~ Heart sister to aura 21:13:22 pm CST
Thank You Master Sandman and Master Zoran for leading thank mistress for scribing

moira {Venator} 21:13:24 pm CST
Thanks for leading Master Sandman Thanks flicka for scribing

swtpea{PAX} 21:13:45 pm CST
thank you for leading Captain Sandman and Master Zoran thank you for scribing mistress flicka

PAX 21:14:35 pm CST
thank you flicka for your dedication