Present:
Master Sandman
Master Zoran
Master Bretval
Master Venator
Master Austin
Master of one
Master LionHeart
Master Wulf
ruby~{Randolph}
torri{Master's one}
mirren{Hunter}
ayrie{Thadron}
natasha{Zoran}
larissa{Austin}
nyla{James}
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:41:33 pm CDT
thank you pretty tasha
lets begin then,, keep cross chatter in pm's and pm me topics
natasha{Zoran} 19:41:39 pm CDT
sees the redhead beauty at the door and gives her a warm hug before she even settles
greetings torri!
Austin - Scholar- 19:41:41 pm CDT
Points to my slut to come to her place
torri{Master's one} 19:41:46 pm CDT
~slipping in quietly, her voice a song as she seeks out the far corner in which to pool to pliant knees~
This one offers her greetings Master Sandman, Master Zoran, Master Bretval, Master Venator and Master Austin...
~sending kisses to each Master before sending hugz to her sisters~
Greetings beauties...
larissa{Austin} 19:41:57 pm CDT
her eyes remain low as she hears his foot steps
greeting my Master.
Austin - Scholar- 19:41:58 pm CDT
Thank you natasha
mirren{Hunter}~~ Heart sister to aura 19:41:58 pm CDT
joyful smile
greetings Master Austin
nyla{James} 19:42:01 pm CDT
greetings torri *hugs tight*
larissa{Austin} 19:42:44 pm CDT
quickly gets up and moves to Master's side.
ruby~{Randolph}~t 19:42:50 pm CDT
greetings ayrie..soft smile
natasha{Zoran} 19:43:18 pm CDT
sees her much loved sister and runs to her, hugging the stuffing out of her
greetings ayrie! *beams*
ayrie{Thadron} 19:43:21 pm CDT
~enters and quietly sinks into her kneel upon the slave furs
nyla{James} 19:43:43 pm CDT
greetings ayrie
Master of one - Owner of torri 19:44:10 pm CDT
Tal Free
mirren{Hunter}~~ Heart sister to aura 19:44:19 pm CDT
greetings torri and ayrie
bright smile
Master of one - Owner of torri 19:44:22 pm CDT
Greetings Mine
Master of one - Owner of torri 19:44:38 pm CDT
Greetings slaves
nyla{James} 19:44:39 pm CDT
greetings Master of one
ayrie{Thadron} 19:45:15 pm CDT
~quickly greets the Masters and lovelies before wrapping natasha in a tight hug, whispering her love and appreciation to her beautiful sister
Master of one - Owner of torri 19:45:24 pm CDT
~ moves and takes a seat
To Me torri
ruby~{Randolph}~t 19:45:56 pm CDT
greetings Master of one...dark eyes cast humbly low
torri{Master's one} 19:46:19 pm CDT
~hearing familiar steps of boots, she shifts a little in the corner as the line of lashes lifts over aqua eyes to watch her Owner...her voice drizzles the quiet words~
Yours offers her greetings my Master...
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:46:24 pm CDT
I have a topic:
Is it wrong as a gorean to think of your slave as more then just property?
Wulf 19:46:31 pm CDT
*makes my way inside, nodding greetings to all as I find a seat*
nyla{James} 19:47:11 pm CDT
*listens quietly*
natasha{Zoran} 19:47:22 pm CDT
flashes a big smile of greeting to Master of one and Master Wulf, subsiding back into her Master's arms
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:47:38 pm CDT
Looks to aryie
To my side to keep natasha straight
torri{Master's one} 19:48:36 pm CDT
~hearing His command, her body slithers to Him with an enticing motion before circling Him and coming to settle on heels with a kiss that grazes His shoulder~
Yours obeys, my Master...thank You for allowing her to You...
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 19:49:07 pm CDT
Myself she is my property
But she is my most prized possession and is priceless
She is a possession worth fighting for
Smiles
torri{Master's one} 19:49:32 pm CDT
~listens to Master Sandman's topic as she nudges closer to her Owner's left side~
Wulf 19:49:54 pm CDT
Hmm, good question Sandman. I guess that would be up to the individual Free ultimately
larissa{Austin} 19:50:40 pm CDT
listens intently to the topic at hand
ayrie{Thadron} 19:50:58 pm CDT
~lowers browns ,lips curving up
Yes Master Zoran ~one tugs her silks in place as she crawls to her sister's side ,elbow finding her ribs as she wriggles into her kneels
torri{Master's one} 19:51:39 pm CDT
~reaches out while listening to the Free's thoughts on this topic, soft hands rubs her Master's urt bitten ass~
ruby~{Randolph}~t 19:51:48 pm CDT
not in rubys humble opinion...it is stated many times in the books that Masters care deeply for Their slaves..ie: the love slave, that said the love slave is kept under the strictest of discipline..that would cause other slaves to shudder
natasha{Zoran} 19:52:12 pm CDT
stiffles a yelp as pointy elbow nudges her, quick laughter rising to her lips as she slides down a hand to lace with her sister
Austin - Scholar- 19:53:48 pm CDT
To me my slave is not only my property but also she a reminder to for me to protect the girl but also my GS Family as I have pledged.. Plus when you have ownership.. you grow as a Master in everything you do.. in your actions and thoughts
torri{Master's one} 19:55:08 pm CDT
~listens quietly while her body melts a little more against her Owner~
Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 19:55:18 pm CDT
I think that is unavoidable with a personal slave... keeping Your head about such as a slave is of course important
Austin - Scholar- 19:56:18 pm CDT
Calls nyla to my girl's side.. to keep her company
larissa{Austin} 19:56:27 pm CDT
she shifts, leaning into her Master, placing her fingers so they brush against his thigh
ruby~{Randolph}~t 19:56:46 pm CDT
in the books
the deepest concern for a Master who owns a love slave is that He may grow weak with her...and then He feels the girl must be then sold
nyla{James} 19:57:33 pm CDT
*looks up at as she hears Master Austin, crawling quietly over to larissa's side and kneels up again, whispering her thanks as she listens*
ayrie{Thadron} 19:57:54 pm CDT
~squeezes her hand,nodding one's agreement with ruby's words
larissa{Austin} 19:58:28 pm CDT
grasping nyla's hand in hers squeezing it tightly and letting out a soft giggle
nyla{James} 19:58:57 pm CDT
*smiles and leans into larissa*
mirren{Hunter}~~ Heart sister to aura 20:00:32 pm CDT
shudders at ruby's words
Master of one - Owner of torri 20:00:34 pm CDT
~ nods at Zoran's word
Priceless possession indeed
~ My hand reaches down to stroke Mine's hair
natasha{Zoran} 20:00:36 pm CDT
how can it not be gorean, when it is the Master the one that puts the value on his property?
Austin - Scholar- 20:01:09 pm CDT
Nods to ruby's comment.. then looks to my slave.. I definitely need to always recalibrate my Strength and determination to be a strong and viable Master
torri{Master's one} 20:01:54 pm CDT
~blushes as she hears His words, her head tips slightly into the stroke of His strong hand~
larissa{Austin} 20:02:11 pm CDT
her eyes remain diverted as she feels his blue eyes cast upon her. she remains silent, her hand lightly grazes his thigh
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:03:31 pm CDT
good question natasha
this one would think there is monetary value and emotional value
Master of one - Owner of torri 20:05:29 pm CDT
mirren
Come join torri at My feet until your Master arrives
natasha{Zoran} 20:07:23 pm CDT
in the end, Masters have the ultimate word on everything, specially over their property, be it slaves, furs or weapons
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:07:55 pm CDT
I think it is gorean-- the concept of a love slave is enough proof
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:08:45 pm CDT
yes indeed natasha...and a slave has the final word.."yes Master"
torri{Master's one} 20:10:09 pm CDT
This one offers her thoughts...a value of a slave is placed by her Owner...certainly there are instances of slaves being killed and her body paid for, but...if a slave did not hold some ornate value to her Owner, wars would not have been waged...as was done, some, in the books...this one would think it more offensive for a Free to be questioned by Another Free about the value placed on His property...
~speaking meekly~
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:10:19 pm CDT
agrees Master Sandman..love is a human emotion, after all
Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:10:56 pm CDT
well said natasha... personally I have never seen it necessary to re=state what My meral knows so well... My word is law and a looks is enough
mirren{Hunter}~~ Heart sister to aura 20:11:01 pm CDT
brown eyes dance with warm appreciation to Master of one
this girl crawls quickly to her beautiful sister's side
brushing her shoulder against torri's ...pressing a soft kiss to her cheek
torri{Master's one} 20:12:15 pm CDT
~a tender smile shapes her lips as her fingertips intertwines with her sister mirren's and a kiss is pressed to the girl's cheek while she listens to O/other's feelings on the topic~
Wulf 20:12:53 pm CDT
Agreed ruby, and no matter what we try we cannot fight our own emotions
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:13:18 pm CDT
torri
there are many quotes in the books, that will bare evidence to your insightful thoughts
Master of one - Owner of torri 20:13:44 pm CDT
~ smiles at the two slaves at My feet
torri{Master's one} 20:14:51 pm CDT
~smiles softly as she peeks to her sister ruby~
LionHeart of Old 20:16:06 pm CDT
I do not think it is wrong for a Master to think of a girl as "just property" -- I think usually the problem is Men think of them as even LESS
Using earth analogies: how many don't take time to put oil or gas in your cars before driving them? We all know what then happens? slaves that are not talked to and trained and just used for sex also fall apart.
How many of us just release or walk away from a car? Don't sell it or try to get value from it. It may seem cruel to sell a girl -- much more cruel is it to just release and walk away saying she is not even worth the time to take to sell.
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:17:36 pm CDT
So true LH
When that happens you have slave that act up for they want that attention and direction
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:20:38 pm CDT
nodding Master Master Lionheart
or grant the slave papers of manumission...set her Free
shudders with thought
mirren{Hunter}~~ Heart sister to aura 20:21:12 pm CDT
holds on to torri's hand even tighter as this girl avoids the nasty its
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:21:42 pm CDT
I will say it is not the same for each slave
My feelings are different for each
Laughs just like in rt there are some things I am very greedy about
Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:22:10 pm CDT
Then perhaps the Masters need to learn how to be a Master
torri{Master's one} 20:22:51 pm CDT
~reaching out to rub mirren's ass, she swiftly knocks back an urt while listening to the Free's thoughts~
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:23:16 pm CDT
smiling do we have any other comments
torri{Master's one} 20:23:37 pm CDT
Not from this one, Master Sandman, thank You for asking...
~speaking softly~
ayrie{Thadron} 20:23:52 pm CDT
nothing from this one, Master Sandman
LionHeart of Old 20:23:59 pm CDT
Mastering One's self is the first step to being a Master ---
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:24:00 pm CDT
None here
nyla{James} 20:24:07 pm CDT
not from this one, Master Sandman
Austin - Scholar- 20:24:21 pm CDT
None here
Venator-Warrior 20:24:26 pm CDT
None
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:24:28 pm CDT
we have another topic then:
Is it ok for a slave to fall for her master?
Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:24:31 pm CDT
not from Me. Captain
natasha{Zoran} 20:25:20 pm CDT
not from this one, Master Sandman
Wulf 20:25:58 pm CDT
Not I Captain
natasha{Zoran} 20:26:38 pm CDT
smiles up softly at her Owner
it was unavoidable...
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:26:44 pm CDT
Waiting to hear from the slaves
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:27:11 pm CDT
Smiles down to mine
Wulf 20:27:34 pm CDT
Yes, I do think a slave falling for her Master is very natural
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:27:37 pm CDT
oh thinks that is a truism Master Sandman....many slaves beg for the favor of a Masters ownership
if the Master does not take the slave as His property, it is said she must be killed
Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:27:55 pm CDT
If a Master satisfies ALL of a slaves need it is almost inevitable as I see it... so more than okay
mirren{Hunter}~~ Heart sister to aura 20:28:24 pm CDT
purrs as torri's tender hand soothes my posterior assets
Master of one - Owner of torri 20:29:12 pm CDT
The best slave the one who loves most deeply...so I think that is a yes
torri{Master's one} 20:29:12 pm CDT
~unable to help herself, she speaks meekly~
While this is Gor and submission is demanded from all slaves...this one believes that a slave heart's Master can only be found when she "falls" for Him and has nothing to give but all of herself...it is how she can be a true "love" slave...in return....it is why the Free is her heart's Master and, thus, even more demanding of His property...
LionHeart of Old 20:29:32 pm CDT
It is as long as she does so AS A SLAVE -- it gives her NO rights or perogatives
I have known many Men that do not fur a one slave on their chain publicly for fear of offending the sensibilities of another. It is bad enough form when that kind of thing involves a FW (done from fear of her reaction and not feelings toward her). I is totally off when a Master so "respects" a slave
LionHeart of Old 20:30:26 pm CDT
I do not pretend what I just said is easy -- I have struggled with it Myself
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:30:36 pm CDT
yes Master of one..to ruby that is an obvious truth
ayrie{Thadron} 20:30:49 pm CDT
one could not help but love her Master
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:30:54 pm CDT
A slave that loves their master is easy to control
And truly hates to make them disappointed
larissa{Austin} 20:31:28 pm CDT
nodding and speaking barely above a whisper,
girl has read in several of the books of a slave's love to her Master. it is a natural feeling that comes deep from the heart a burning desire that does not dissipate
Wulf 20:32:08 pm CDT
Here here Zoran
nyla{James} 20:32:53 pm CDT
*listens to everyone, quietly
natasha{Zoran} 20:33:41 pm CDT
love is a bigger driving force for a slave than fear or indifference
it is what will make her strive to give the best of her, all of herself, what will tie her to him with stronger bonds than any steel
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:33:47 pm CDT
nodding Master Zoran
a slaves deepest fear is being a sour disappointment to ones Owner
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:33:50 pm CDT
Smiles down to mine
Austin - Scholar- 20:35:36 pm CDT
Smiles at mine
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:35:40 pm CDT
yes natasha
and when a slave feels she has given her all...she must dig deeper into the cavern of he soul to give more
mirren{Hunter}~~ Heart sister to aura 20:35:46 pm CDT
nodding in agreement with natasha and ruby
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:35:51 pm CDT
Nods to ruby
To be found displeasing will bring shame to their Master and if they truly care
It kills them inside.
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:36:43 pm CDT
Looks to Sandman
I think we have very smart slaves here Port Kar
torri{Master's one} 20:37:08 pm CDT
~nods softly in agreement with the weight of disappointment to her Master being the worst~
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:37:16 pm CDT
aye Brother Zoran,, the slaves here are the best in Gor
Austin - Scholar- 20:37:21 pm CDT
Nods to Zoran...
Master of one - Owner of torri 20:38:41 pm CDT
Aye Zoran
Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:39:50 pm CDT
I find that with Mine a lifted eyebrow can be more than enough to express disapproval... *grin* as well as many other things
she is most intuitive
Venator-Warrior 20:39:50 pm CDT
Nods
Wulf 20:40:19 pm CDT
I tend to agree, so far the girls that I have come to know have been very pleasing, both visually and in making a visitor feel welcome
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:41:03 pm CDT
I have had slaves that were mine in force and just slaves
I can truly say when the slave loves their master
Everything goes better
torri{Master's one} 20:42:51 pm CDT
~blushing deeply upon hearing the Free's words, she shifts a little upon her heels while keeping her eyes downcast~
LionHeart of Old 20:43:31 pm CDT
All this said then why do the books talk of Master selling love slaves?
It is not an idle question, but rather the heart of a problem
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:45:24 pm CDT
I think LH it because they feel their tie to the slave lessens them
And makes them weak
I think that is that ultimate way they feel they have to prove they're a Gorean man
natasha{Zoran} 20:46:58 pm CDT
would not the actions of some love slaves have to do much with it, Master LionHeart?
if they presume too much, if they forget their place, that they are slaves, property, and nothing more.
Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:46:59 pm CDT
Because that is what the author wanted to say.... Wwe live in a mixed VT/RT world
LionHeart of Old 20:47:17 pm CDT
A earth philosopher spoke of how one loves people and uses things
Which is a slave?
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:47:29 pm CDT
Master Lionheart
as ruby stated earlier..a Master must sell a love slave, if He grows weak with her...the crux of that issue is to keep the slave under strict rigor discipline...
Wulf 20:47:39 pm CDT
Either that or it could be as simple as they might have thought they felt that same kind of connect, but either they have lost it, or it was never truly there to begin with
torri{Master's one} 20:48:24 pm CDT
~quietly listens~
LionHeart of Old 20:48:33 pm CDT
That is a good insight natasha
But it also involves the Master forgetting –
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:49:36 pm CDT
Laughs LH I think a slave is both
And time to be used
Grinning down to my slut
natasha{Zoran} 20:49:38 pm CDT
some Masters have a love for their pets, for their tarns, for example, they are both property and treasured
might not a slave fall within the same category?
Wulf 20:50:35 pm CDT
Again, that more than likely depends on the individual Free natasha
natasha{Zoran} 20:51:36 pm CDT
a roguish grin as she hears her Master's words, red tinting her cheeks
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:52:57 pm CDT
natasha nodding and smiling
that is the rational principle philosophy of Gorean life
torri{Master's one} 20:53:25 pm CDT
~smiles in agreement with natasha~
LionHeart of Old 20:53:41 pm CDT
Love requires a willingness to make sacrifice FOR its object though and should a Master ever do such for property -- a thing that He owns?
I would say no, if love comes a Man need I think free the slave---
And those that know Me know I am loath to do that
Austin - Scholar- 20:53:45 pm CDT
In earthen ways is that not like kicking the tires on a car before buying it?
Chuckles
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:53:49 pm CDT
philosophy...even
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:53:54 pm CDT
are there any other comments or topics?
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:55:09 pm CDT
Yes I agree LH if a master can not be a Master to his slave it is time to
Sell her
If he does not be will be less in her eyes in the long run
Austin - Scholar- 20:55:11 pm CDT
None here Captain..
torri{Master's one} 20:55:20 pm CDT
No, Master Sandman, not from this one...thank You for asking...
~speaking quietly~
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:55:39 pm CDT
No Brother Sandman
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:55:42 pm CDT
nodding Master Austin..with a chuckle
be certain the slave will suit Ones need
Wulf 20:55:44 pm CDT
None here Captain
Venator-Warrior 20:55:51 pm CDT
None
natasha{Zoran} 20:56:04 pm CDT
would not that mean he fears he might grow weak because of such love?
it poses an interesting question, as the fear in itself weakens him, not the love.
LionHeart of Old 20:56:16 pm CDT
~rises and departs as am called elsewhere~
ayrie{Thadron} 20:56:22 pm CDT
Nothing from this one , thank You Master Sandman
ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:56:42 pm CDT
Master Sandman
nothing from this lowly beast
natasha{Zoran} 20:56:59 pm CDT
none from this one, Master Sandman
mirren{Hunter}~~ Heart sister to aura 20:58:10 pm CDT
spoken thoughtfully
nothing from this girl Master Sandman
torri{Master's one} 20:58:35 pm CDT
~always alert, she quickly rubs her Master's ass because she cares...and always welcomes any chance to do so~
Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:58:56 pm CDT
Laughs at torri
