Present:

Sandman
Keeper
Zoran
Rollo the Ax
Bretval
Kazar
Venator
Austin
Master of one
Kuurus

larissa
nyla
natasha
swtpea
carina
rykl
flicka

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:41:38 pm CDT
ok folks, time to get started,, keep chatter in pm and pm me with topics

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:48:30 pm CDT
while I wait on topics I would like to take care of a bit of business

Friend Zoran approach the dais please

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:08:05 pm CDT
I have a topic:

A part of the pledge that Zoran just swore was to protect GS from those that seek its down fall .... the question is * just what does that mean or entail -- does it apply to anybody that simply speaks ill of GS ? anybody that attacks a member of GS in body or verbally ?? and just who decides how far or how much defense

{carina}AT/Heretic 💕 Sua per sempre 💕 20:11:11 pm CDT
~listens as the first topic is put out there~

Rollo the Ax 20:13:43 pm CDT
I think that the topic may contain many facets .... is it an attack if somebody just says negative things ?? or would it take some form of actual attack and call for the destruction of GS ??

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:13:48 pm CDT
Certainly to protect Gorean Shores from any or all who would damage My home, either deliberately or by acts of stupidity or culpability.

If a member is attacked unjustly, We should be there for each other.

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:14:55 pm CDT
I feel it is to stand for the pride in our home
So any negative must be addressed

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:15:37 pm CDT
Yes Keeper we are a family
And is why are home is so strong

Rollo the Ax 20:16:22 pm CDT
Nobody is always going to be happy with EVERY action or decision of the Council ... never has been, never will .... but I see a BIG difference between * attack * and criticism ....

Jondalar-Tuchuk 20:16:47 pm CDT
Rollo...I believe there are two sides or more to the issue...All sworn Members should and must defend GS..The other side is that "dirty laundry" should be handled by Captains/Advisors etc....In private at first!

natasha{Zoran} 20:16:56 pm CDT
anything that harms the Home, be it by actions or words, this girl thinks is an attack on its well being

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:17:54 pm CDT
I agree with Rollo
Differing opinions, fine.
Outright attacks and acts that weaken Our Home.
That needs to be dealt with.

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:17:59 pm CDT
If it is slave then flicka addresses it in various ways, depending on the level of malice displayed.

If it is a Free Person, flicka as always would treat Them with respect but would copy and paste the incident and mail it to the Captains for Their action if They deem necessary.

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:18:53 pm CDT
Yes I do like how Captains a swore to secrecy
Jondalir you very right
Rollo it seem to be a hard line as a criticism can change bad quickly

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:19:02 pm CDT
Nodding to Jondalar

The "dirty laundry" aspect I find most distasteful

Rollo the Ax 20:21:36 pm CDT
I agree that any negative needs to be addressed .... but to what extent seems the question .... is it * lets look and see if there is any valid points to possible fix ..* or is it a simple ** OFF WITH THEIR HEAD ** knee jerk reaction ??

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:22:14 pm CDT
opinions can be different without harming GS

GS is like a strong Man of honor and character

a few ugly words break on it like waves upon Gibraltar

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:23:12 pm CDT
Well said Sandman

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:23:29 pm CDT
The fact is that the Council does not make knee jerk reactions.
Not in My time anyway.

What ever other comments are made we are not fools that rush in.

Jondalar-Tuchuk 20:23:36 pm CDT
Rollo...One should always try to work/understand people..but there does come a time to wash one's hands of them....

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:24:43 pm CDT
Master Rollo, with respect this was the topic:

A part of she pledge that Zoran just swore was to protect GS from those that seek its down fall .... the question is * just what does that mean or entail -- does it apply to anybody that simply speaks ill of GS ? anybody that attacks a member of GS in body or verbally ?? and just who decides how far or how much defense

"to protect GS from those that seek its down fall "

If They are seeking its downfall then what they say is not subject to discussion in this girl's mind.

Jondalar-Tuchuk 20:25:06 pm CDT
But it does help if One has big hands>..LOL

moira {Venator} 20:25:36 pm CDT
Says quietly. Differences of opinion can have value

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 20:25:45 pm CDT
Thank you Keeper an answer to a question...

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 20:26:15 pm CDT
I think all pledged ones have taken the oath to protect our home

Rollo the Ax 20:26:16 pm CDT
Raising an eyebrow .... * dirty laundry * ?? if an attack is an attack, it is more than dirty clothes ..... an attack on GS is one thing .... dirty laundry implies wrong doing by somebody that if made public would make the person look bad .....

Jondalar- Tuchuk 20:28:12 pm CDT
Rollo..I view dirty laundry as just a pile of shit...and the person /s that bring it on..about the same!

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:28:16 pm CDT
~nods to moira~ aye, different opinions can have value, if we ignore ideas we stagnate.

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:30:02 pm CDT
as for attacks on GS or those who might bring its Downfall, I tend to follow the advice of Gameliel of the Jewish Sanhedrin in 33 AD:

When the Sanhedrin ( the Council of Jewish religious leaders was wondering what actions should they take against the early Christians he offered the following advice:

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:30:32 pm CDT
~listening intently to Master Sandman.~

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:30:52 pm CDT
“Men of Israel, he said, “consider carefully what you are about to do to these men. 36Some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men joined him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing.
After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and drew away people after him. He too perished, and all his followers were scattered.…

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:31:13 pm CDT
I agree, if there is an issue, some need to be spoken of in public and sorted.

Others by their very nature can weaken Our Home or unnecessarily hurt others. These things do not need to go on the corks in My opinion.

nyla{James} 20:31:37 pm CDT
*listens quietly*

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:31:47 pm CDT
38So in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone. Let them go!39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop them. You may even find yourselves fighting against God For if their purpose or endeavor is of human origin, it will fail

Austin - Scholar- 20:31:53 pm CDT
I totally agree with Keeper..

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:32:01 pm CDT
Listen to Sandman

larissa{Austin} 20:32:23 pm CDT
listens intently on the words of Master Sandman

Rollo the Ax 20:32:29 pm CDT
So, Jondalar ...... using than logic, the person that brings up or points out a problem or wrong doing is more to blame than the one doing so My main concept of my answer was that far too often * pack * mentality takes over rather that logic or truth.....

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:32:37 pm CDT
it has been my experience that troublemakers here are rarely fighting in the side of the PK's and always eventually burn out and disappear

Jondalar-Tuchuk 20:32:40 pm CDT
Aye Keeper!

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:32:43 pm CDT
~resting a small hand on the thigh of her wise Jarl.~

Austin - Scholar- 20:33:22 pm CDT
Sandman excellent scripture.. to follow.. and learn.. especially of the human origin.. and the failure of it..

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 20:33:27 pm CDT
Keeper too much Shit in the corks

Jondalar-Tuchuk 20:33:31 pm CDT
Of course not Rollo..

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:33:31 pm CDT
but if they actively attempt to harm GS, then steel it shall be

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:34:32 pm CDT
~Nodding to Sandman~
Absolutely

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:34:58 pm CDT
but we in GS are strong enough to weather dissent, and indeed may learn and gain from it

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:36:53 pm CDT
~nodding~

Austin - Scholar- 20:37:36 pm CDT
I think in GS those of us who truly call it Home have our inner core to appreciate and respect each other.. a honest caring for each other.. and that goes a long way to weather dissent ..

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:37:37 pm CDT
looking around the room, any more comments?

{carina}AT/Heretic 💕 Sua per sempre 💕 20:37:51 pm CDT
~listens quietly~

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 20:39:03 pm CDT
Austin aye well said

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:40:00 pm CDT
Agrees with Austin

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:40:29 pm CDT
In that case I am going to turn things over to Keeper to discuss the upcoming festivities.

Brother Keeper you have the floor

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:41:00 pm CDT
Looks to Keeper

Rollo the Ax 20:43:27 pm CDT
I have far too often been misunderstood about the points I would try to make .... a life of playing * Devil's Advocate * has left me shaking my bald head more than once .... I will just say this ... we have all pledged our loyalty and faith in the Council... then so be it .... we will each have to accept what the ruling is on any person.... and trust in the Council to be able to look past friendships and such when ruling on misconduct by those of GS ..... my speech is done

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:43:40 pm CDT
In moment I am going to post an agenda of sorts for Festival
The name in [Brackets] is the name of the person organizing that night.
Please read and make respectful comments.
It will go on the boards after editing later.

Oh

Watch out

Big Ass post!

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:44:16 pm CDT
thank you Brother Rollo

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:44:27 pm CDT
Well said Rollo

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:45:04 pm CDT
Festival Plans

Thursday 22 - Procession to the Sea – [Sandman]

9/22... first day – Oar Dance - Randolph (Before the opening of Festival?)

Friday 23 – Slave dance then a spar. - [Zoran for the spar- ruby for dancing]

Euro - synchronized swim - [torri]

Saturday 24 - Slave dance then a spar. - [Zoran for the spar- flicka for dancing]

Euro - trivia – [ruby]

Sunday 25 – Synchronized Swimming - [torri]

Euro- Dancing – [Randolph and ruby]

Monday 26 - Slave dance then a spar. [Zoran for the spar- ruby for dancing]

Euro - Meat Toss – [Bretval]

Tuesday 27 – Trivia Night [ruby]

Wednesday 28 – Dancing [ruby – Master of one to be MC]

Euro - Dancing – [Bretval and meral]

Thursday 29 – Games Night [Venator]

Euro - Riddles – [libi]

Friday 30 – Beach Night [Master of one]

Euro Sparring – [Bretval]

Saturday 1 – Oar Dance close of Festival [Council of Captains of Gorean Shores]
Beach Party [Bretval]

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:45:42 pm CDT
Keeper will you be attending a lot of the events?

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:46:41 pm CDT
I have put a question mark up about the Euro Oar dance because it will happen before the actual March to the Sea an Opening of Festival due to time zone differences.

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:47:58 pm CDT
~smiles at Master Rollo~

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:48:14 pm CDT
Yes I hope to attend some Zoran
There will be times when RT will stop Me
My RT is getting back to something that looks almost normal!

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:48:54 pm CDT
That good to hear Keeper
You have been missed

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:49:52 pm CDT
I have been impressed by the number of people taking on a leadership role and running a night or two.
Thank you A/all
That bodes well for My home

larissa{Austin} 20:50:41 pm CDT
soft spoken, have the Masters decided if the times for these events are going to start a half hour earlier then normal to get the meet and greets out of the way?

Rollo the Ax 20:51:40 pm CDT
Keeper ..... if I may ask, just where will all the * swimming * be done

Jondalar-Tuchuk 20:51:54 pm CDT
Their are a lot of good people here at GS Captain Keeper...

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:52:35 pm CDT
Jarl Keeper may flicka speak about help?

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:53:15 pm CDT
Ahhh

Good point larissa
I think most agreed that events start at 7:00 PM GS time rather that 7:30 because Festival does run longer than say Forum.

~Looking around the room?~

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:53:38 pm CDT
Yes flicka

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:54:46 pm CDT
Or in the sea! after the oar dance!

Venator-Warrior 20:54:54 pm CDT
Might I propose a universal Tal and Greetings for festival, to usher things along.
More personal welcomes can occur in whispers.

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:55:32 pm CDT
growling at the house demon

Rollo the Ax 20:55:41 pm CDT
LOL...Okay, brother Keeper ..... I was wondering how we were going to keep the urts and dock eels from feeding on kajira ..... LOL..

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 20:55:59 pm CDT
Agree with Venator
Laughs I remember the practice last year the floor is much harder than the sea

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:56:24 pm CDT
~deep breath~ flicka would like to thank all of her sisters this year, but also especially:

ruby for organizing the dancing.

torri for the synchronized swim.

and natasha for the horrid job of rostering the scribes.

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:58:37 pm CDT
~sighs~ flicka has not managed to get some of that. Jarl can You repeat where the swim will be held please. And anyone else who spoke after 51.09 and before 56.48

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:58:47 pm CDT
I'll repeat.
Rollo
Swimming in the Bath House
Or

At the docks!

Or

In the sea after the oar dance

larissa{Austin} 21:01:44 pm CDT
mistress, larissa asked about the times it was going to start.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:02:07 pm CDT
~Chuckling~
Swimming is in the bath house

The docks for those who like their bits blue and cold!

The Sea after the oar dance because sea water cures concussion after You face plant an oar!

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 21:03:13 pm CDT
Thank you larissa. ~warm smile~

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:06:07 pm CDT
If no one else has comments I will post the agenda in a few hours with a start time of 7:00 PM GS Time.

~Looking around the room~

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:06:42 pm CDT
7 pm going once

7 going twice?

Venator-Warrior 21:06:49 pm CDT
Good by me.

Austin - Scholar- 21:07:02 pm CDT
nods to Keeper

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:09:57 pm CDT
SOLD!

We start at 7

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:10:18 pm CDT
I have no more to add.

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:10:40 pm CDT
thank you Keeper

sadly for me rt is intruding.. I wish all here well

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 21:12:19 pm CDT
Thank you Sandman. For leading

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:12:53 pm CDT
In Sandman's absence.

Is there any more comments to be made?

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 21:13:38 pm CDT
My thanks to the disappearing back of Captain Sandman for leading
and to fg flicka for scribing

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 21:13:47 pm CDT
None here

Venator-Warrior 21:14:04 pm CDT
None

Austin - Scholar- 21:14:14 pm CDT
none here

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:14:44 pm CDT
I declare the Forum closed

Thank you for scribing flicka

Venator-Warrior 21:15:13 pm CDT
Thank you to the Council leading and to flicka scribing.

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 21:15:45 pm CDT
Thank you for leading Keeper

larissa{Austin} 21:15:48 pm CDT
thanking Master Sandman for leading and for Jarl Keeper for finishing..

and warm hugs to mistress for scribing.

Austin - Scholar- 21:15:57 pm CDT
Thank you Keeper and Sandman for leading the forum

Zoran Congratulations again Brother

flicka thank you for the tough job of scribing..

nyla{James} 21:16:22 pm CDT
thank You to the Leaders for Leading *smiles*

thank you mistress for scribing

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 21:16:30 pm CDT
A girl would like to say that Master Sandman was great leading tonight, He is so recently out of hospital.

Thank You also my Jarl for Your input.

Rollo the Ax 21:16:33 pm CDT
Thanks to both Sandman and Keeper for the forum today ..... and as always to flicka for scribing ....

natasha{Zoran} 21:16:40 pm CDT
thank You Master Sandman and Jarl Keeper for leading

and mistress flicka for scribing

moira {Venator} 21:16:52 pm CDT
Thank You both for leading, Master Sandman and Jarl Keeper
Thanks for scribing mistress flicka

Zoran Merchant ~Advisor~ 21:17:34 pm CDT
Thank you junior winks to Austin

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 21:17:38 pm CDT
And My thanks to Keeper for finishing the forum and arranging the Festival;

{carina}AT/Heretic 💕 Sua per sempre 💕 21:18:06 pm CDT
thank you to Master Sandman and Jarl Keeper for leading

and thanks to the beautiful flicka for scribing