Present:

Sandman
Thorrn
Bretval
Dak
Venator
Austin Frederick
Mintar
Raziel

Lita
Sissy

rykl
natasha
moira
ariella
tamara
coralee
ayrie
flicka

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 19:54:24 pm CST
Ok all let us begin
I believe we all know the rules
Whisper your questions to me
And keep bantar to a low level

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 19:58:10 pm CST
I have a first question
Looks to the Captain
Has the council given the go ahead for the carnival?

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:01:36 pm CST
Zoran
I don´t know about an official request about having carnival in Port Kar.
Do You know who emailed that request to the Council and to which addy?

I know about having Northern Sytle Night at Friday this week, the 26 of Feb.
I better know about because i organize it witht he help of the bondsmaids

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:02:55 pm CST
I think it was Bretval looks to his friend

Bretval {meral}: Merchant 20:04:56 pm CST
It was on last weeks agenda... then Sandman got called away and stuff got lost....

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:07:11 pm CST
The official Council addy works bad since a while, a silly problem with the failover mobile phone number the silly guys want to have to check that we are still accessing that council-addy rightfully. Of cause no on ewants to give out the private mobile phoone number for that account and so we are bit fussed up with that account.
Best is email one of the Captains and ask to distribute the request of whatever to the other Captains.

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:10:20 pm CST
So Bretval should send you a email
So you can give to the other Captians?
So we can get clarification

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:11:55 pm CST
Bretval that can happen,
Can You send or resend the request to Sandman or Me?

Bretval {meral}: Merchant 20:12:04 pm CST
Well I had introduced it to Captain Keeper last week but if that is what it takes fine... it starts on the march 11 ... if it is a go

rykl.{Ramses} :Rr: Dylan 20:12:25 pm CST
Kneels quietly listening to the discussion

Bretval {meral}: Merchant 20:12:53 pm CST
Yes... will do that

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:12:53 pm CST
So I think that clarifies that question
Does anyone else have a questio?

~A Necessary Evil~ 20:15:05 pm CST
*Slowly slips in from outside, the scent of Thassa surrounds Him as His deep emeralds find His beast and a smirk slides across those full lips as He slowly heads toward her His gazed locked upon her as a hand raises*...Tal Free...greetings beasts...

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:16:05 pm CST
I have one

how does a slave show her devotion to her master
Or in the case of a GS slave her home?

Tanthio§~~={======>~~~*Owner of eudokia*~ 20:16:48 pm CST
I'm actually surprised at the sale, has the rule changed of On pledged has to wait 6 months to purchase a Tavern slut?

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:17:03 pm CST
Bretval, just forward that email to Me and i will take care.
Captain Keeper is very busy lately and can miss to handle things quickly.

{ariella} Heretic ~❣️~A Bit Of Heaven In Hell~❣️~ 20:18:09 pm CST
Lots of ways...clean His holdings...make extra effort...bake things He likes...be sexier for Him...anticipate His needs and meet them before He has to ask

Dak 20:18:10 pm CST
Perfction,, beauty, and Obedience !

Tanthio§~~={======>~~~*Owner of eudokia*~ 20:18:13 pm CST
Of One as well

Distracted by a naked Raziel 20:19:06 pm CST
following the rules of the Home or of the One that Owns her. doing things that please Him or the Free simply out of the joy in her heart.

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:19:39 pm CST
Listen to the slaves

Sissy 20:19:58 pm CST
listening

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:20:52 pm CST
In every breath she takes, in every beat of her heart in every whisper of her soul. She should be a mere empty vessel without Him and His filling of her.

tamara{Kyoto} 20:21:01 pm CST
-listening-

ayrie{Thadron} 20:21:06 pm CST
actions and words, always both. letting Him know every day how proud one is to be His.

rykl.{Ramses} :Rr: Dylan 20:21:34 pm CST
Sighs

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:21:52 pm CST
Very well said flika

{carina} 💕 Hell bound with Heretic 💕 20:22:30 pm CST
~smiles really liking how flicka put that~

natasha{Zoran} 20:22:42 pm CST
her thoughts must be first and always turned towards him, in all aspects, she finds her happiness in his, her well being in his, she tries her best to honor him with every breath and every action

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:23:16 pm CST
Looks to mine you always do

Distracted by a naked Raziel 20:23:54 pm CST
*giggles at Master's answer*

Sissy 20:23:55 pm CST
to sum it up
Keep him Happy Healthy & Satisfied

ayrie{Thadron} 20:24:06 pm CST
~whimpers and sends mistress' words to Master

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:24:29 pm CST
Very well said flicka.
A good guide of the first girl for the slaves.
*S*

Mintar 20:24:39 pm CST
If the Master keeps a slave bound by the chains of His will, she will know exactly how to show her devotion because He leads her there and shows her the way

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:25:00 pm CST
Laughs at Sissy
And it was said in euro forum no nagging

Austin - Scholar- 20:25:04 pm CST
Nods to flicka's comment..

Sissy 20:25:41 pm CST
laffin..can't do that one..

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:25:41 pm CST
So true Mintar

rykl.{Ramses} :Rr: Dylan 20:25:46 pm CST
This one feels it is important to continue to be the slave He desired even when he is not present....no matter the length of time

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:26:24 pm CST
~ducks her head at the no nagging caveat~

tamara{Kyoto} 20:26:44 pm CST
-a soft murmur to add onto rykl's-

no matter how hard it is...to try to be the slave He desired.

rykl.{Ramses} :Rr: Dylan 20:27:18 pm CST
Nods with a soft smile to tamara

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:27:22 pm CST
Mintar
That is how a perfect guide of a Master works on a slave - but it adds spice to the pleasur eof the relationship when a slave can go further than just reflecting the will and wishes of the Master by knowing by herslef how to please Him and be His pleasure because things come from her inside, her loving, submitted heart.

moira {Venator} 20:27:24 pm CST
A slave would never nag Master Zoran, horrified expression

Sissy 20:27:38 pm CST
Even as a Mistress I nag and if I don't I'll blow up..and thats not a pretty sight

Mintar 20:27:58 pm CST
Yes Zoran. The slave should not be tasked with "devotion" as if it was a chore, like dishes. Some things must be led by the hand of a Free.

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:28:00 pm CST
~a gentle hand on rykl's arm~

Aye and the strength to be true to your Master even if He cannot be here to see your truth.

ayrie{Thadron} 20:28:30 pm CST
Begging is allowed
one never ever nags Master

~A Necessary Evil~ 20:28:51 pm CST
she devotes here every breath to learning Him...His likes and dislikes...His cravings and desires and ensuring that with every set and dawn of the sun that there is a smile across His lips no matter how trying the day might have been

Mintar 20:28:56 pm CST
Point taken Thorrn

rykl.{Ramses} :Rr: Dylan 20:29:12 pm CST
-smiles at the sweet hand of mistress-
girl is trying her very best

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:29:27 pm CST
I know a slave will not nag
I was messing with the Fw Sissy
A nagging slave would have A very red cheek in the shape of a hand
Laughs

Austin - Scholar- 20:29:37 pm CST
Agrees with Thorrn.... the journey they take is one that is a living journey... changing and both need to change and stretch their horizons... If they stay stagnant growth in the relationship will never happen

aurora{Blackthorne} 20:29:38 pm CST
...smiles to Jarls words.

ayrie{Thadron} 20:29:48 pm CST
devotion to Master and Our Home is not a chore in any way
Everything she does is for Him and brings true pleasure

natasha{Zoran} 20:30:46 pm CST
if devotion turns into a chore, then it is no longer devotion

devotion comes from the heart, from the soul, it cannot be imposed.

Sissy 20:30:48 pm CST
but don't some of the girls in her own way throw a little hissy to get what she desires..(that hand grasping her neck)?

Distracted by a naked Raziel 20:30:58 pm CST
*smiles at Master's answer*

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:31:07 pm CST
Looks to mine if they are your
From heart to soul the devotion will be there
She will hurt in her heart if she is found dis pleasing

moira {Venator} 20:31:17 pm CST
Nods, efforts made to please my Master are a joy, not a chore

Venator-Warrior 20:31:40 pm CST
Smiles at mine, nods.

natasha{Zoran} 20:32:37 pm CST
shivers and scuttles closer to Him, her eyes turning pensive

Sissy 20:32:42 pm CST
if submissiveness or slavery runs thru your veins devotion etc comes natural..its not something taught

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:32:51 pm CST
Yes Sissy but then a master
A good Master will punish them

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:33:13 pm CST
~nodding and nodding at the words of her sisters and of the free Men~

ayrie{Thadron} 20:33:15 pm CST
~Looks to Mistress Sissy, one has never had a fit with Master. His way is the best way. Period.

Distracted by a naked Raziel 20:33:15 pm CST
Mistress Sissy, that would not be tolerated in Gor. beasts are mere property, they could be killed for such an action.
now brats in another world would do such an action and it is welcomed by those Men

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:33:38 pm CST
A slave is submited to her Master and He is her center of the world - but that does not mean she shall become a pet withou a mind or will of her own. It jsut shall fit to the will and wishes of her Master and make the combination a happy one for both.

tamara{Kyoto} 20:34:36 pm CST
Mistress Sissy, just because submissiveness or slavery runs through veins does not mean that slave would be able to show that devotion to any and all.

Mintar 20:34:39 pm CST
Devotion, I maintain, must be earned. Not expected

natasha{Zoran} 20:35:21 pm CST
nods softly at tamara's words

{ariella} Heretic ~❣️~A Bit Of Heaven In Hell~❣️~ 20:35:34 pm CST
Agrees with Master Mintar

Sissy 20:35:56 pm CST
I know this coralee but I have seen slaves comfortable enough with their Master to do such a thing but I will drop the subject

{ariella} Heretic ~❣️~A Bit Of Heaven In Hell~❣️~ 20:36:00 pm CST
And tamara's

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:36:15 pm CST
Mintar you are so right

{carina} 💕 Hell bound with Heretic 💕 20:36:21 pm CST
~smiles listening to everything being said~

Sissy 20:36:43 pm CST
I never said all tamara

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:36:58 pm CST
Does anyone have any other words on this subject?

ayrie{Thadron} 20:37:23 pm CST
~settles into the furs, listening

Mintar 20:38:04 pm CST
The Free and a Home pull the devotion out of the slaves through hard work and sacrifice.

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:38:11 pm CST
smiling good discussion and many things I have heard that make me proud of the folks who call GS home

Mintar 20:38:47 pm CST
I have said enough.

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:39:13 pm CST
Master Mintar what You say is correct, a Gorean slave will pay lip service to a Master to Whom she feels little devotion, if she is good at dissembling he will not know that she is merely protecting her own hide and upholding her own principles by treating Him as a Master.

Devotion to a Master is another matter, this girl feels obviously utter devotion to her Jarl, but she also feels devotion to Many within Gorean Shores, for They have proven by Their actions and words to have earned this girl's devotion.

LionHeart 20:39:22 pm CST
My best slave often had fits -- often ranted

BECAUSE I demanded she speak EVEN when she did not wish to -- I demanded she be emotionally naked before Me -- yes, with respect, but I never punish for honest emotion ALWAYS for hiding emotion. I own ALL of a girl -- and to hide her feelings is to deny Me knowledge of what is MINE

{ariella} Heretic ~❣️~A Bit Of Heaven In Hell~❣️~ 20:39:25 pm CST
Snuggles into her sister and keeps her mouth shut tight ...listening quietly.

tamara{Kyoto} 20:41:01 pm CST
i feel there is a way for a slave to "rant" and a slave not to rant. even when speaking about issues that are perhaps bothering the slave, there still needs to be a respect in those words as she speaks.

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:41:03 pm CST
Very well said to both LH
And flika

Mintar 20:41:13 pm CST
--nods to the words of the fg--

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:42:34 pm CST
Nods to LionHeart
That ius a good guideline for the MAsters how to handle their slaves and their emotions and feelings.

Sissy 20:42:49 pm CST
nods to the words of LH

~A Necessary Evil~ 20:43:22 pm CST
To truely be owned a slave should have a sense of pride not only that One wants to own them but a sense of pride in themselves and a desire that emits from them to do their best in every aspect of the relationship between Master and slave...whether or not it's from keeping the home clean to serving another Free...to please their Master would be to have a sense of pride in every step they take for eyes are always upon them...and thus is what other Masters see when looking upon Another's beast

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:43:28 pm CST
Does anyone have another question for discussion ?

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:43:40 pm CST
~nodding to Master LionHeart and to tamara.~

sister you have nailed it, telling your Master your feelings openly and honestly is not ranting or throwing a hissy fit to get your own way.

Master LionHeart there would be few Masters Who would demand that Their slave not show their inner feelings to Him, this girl thinks.

LionHeart 20:44:03 pm CST
I am as a Master feared by many slaves -- not because I beat or hit, but rather because I do not allow them to "hide" behind convention -- a woman is not a robot and if I catch a slave of Mine acting as such there is hell to pay. It is surprising how many slaves would rather fur naked at noon in the marketplace than let their Owners see their hearts

Distracted by a naked Raziel 20:45:28 pm CST
*nods along with Master's words, taking them straight to her heart*

moira {Venator} 20:45:48 pm CST
Nods, very true Master LionHeart

LionHeart 20:46:07 pm CST
I have owned and known many slaves, flicka, and not one in a 100 dare be truly open -- sad truth be known very few Masters wish to take time to know their property -- in anything but what earthers call a biblical sense

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:47:10 pm CST
I can truly say I am didfrent as I know all about my slave
She has no secret

Dak 20:48:02 pm CST
this doesn't sound much like the conventional Gor, to Me !

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:48:16 pm CST
I will call the questions to a close
I will now turn it over to Captain Thorrn

natasha{Zoran} 20:48:42 pm CST
looks at Him

hard though it has been sometimes, opening her mind and her emotions, being vulnerable and exposed, and feeling raw, very raw. Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:48:52 pm CST
Hears My friend Zoran and chuckles .... go on dream that a Man ever will know everything about a woman, whether slave or not
*light chuckle*

Bretval {meral}: Merchant 20:48:55 pm CST
Mine has no secrets from Me....

Sissy 20:49:05 pm CST
because he has a different belief its not Gor..I believe each Master is different

{ariella} Heretic ~❣️~A Bit Of Heaven In Hell~❣️~ 20:49:10 pm CST
-Turns to listen to Jarl Thorrn-

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:49:36 pm CST
Master LionHeart, ah but it great fun to know one's Master in the biblical sense and often. ~smiling~

The Masters Who do not take the time to know Their slaves beyond the Biblical are the losers.

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:49:45 pm CST
Laughs as I here Thorrn

LionHeart of Old 20:49:56 pm CST
In the books Dak there ARE many talks between Master and slave in private -- talks of her fears, the meaning of her collar

Yes, "in public" perfect service is there, but there is more to owning a girl that perfect form in serves in a tavern

Distracted by a naked Raziel 20:49:59 pm CST
this girl has kept nothing from Master. He doesn't allow such. that, Master LionHeart, could depend upon the connection between Master and slave. not All Owners build a connection with Their girls. Some merely own the girl as a status symbol

{carina} 💕 Hell bound with Heretic 💕 20:50:11 pm CST
~smiles at the Jarl's words~

{ariella} Heretic ~❣️~A Bit Of Heaven In Hell~❣️~ 20:50:48 pm CST
-nods at coralee's words-

LionHeart of Old 20:51:37 pm CST
~chuckles at Thornn's words as are so true~

peanut {Lita} 20:52:08 pm CST
if everyone says they have kept nothing from their Master's ever...is..a...fibber...in girls past she kept much from a man...it's taken Real men to know her heart

Dak 20:52:43 pm CST
well, I trained My own in 2002, she's still in My kolar today, I wish she had time, to hear this, she would find it apalling !

LionHeart of Old 20:53:34 pm CST
If a girl has not said something to her Master that risked her death she has not been open to Him

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:53:34 pm CST
^Thank You Zoran for leading tonight and i think flcka for scribing.

Last topic of tonight is next Friday the 26th of Feb usual GS-event-time at 7:30 pm
We will have a northern style night in the ways of Jarls and bondmaids.
I hope many can attend to make it a joyful, burley evening of the north.

Distracted by a naked Raziel 20:53:39 pm CST
*growls softly, minding her words*

ayrie{Thadron} 20:54:16 pm CST
~paints a smile hon her face, listening quietly

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:54:25 pm CST
Nods to Captian Thorrn

tamara{Kyoto} 20:56:01 pm CST
it is a good thing that there are many different people out there, so not one person is the same and share multiple different views of things.

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:56:18 pm CST
We will have a thing in the outside, a festival in a big hal of a Jarl with all sitting on benches at tables, bondmaids serve in northern way, Jarl Keeper plans to sing and doing a sword dance. Bondmaids will dance on the tables and all who want to may add by performances to the evening - just have fun.

Any questions?

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:56:24 pm CST
Thank You Master Zoran for leading a fruitful and interesting discussion.

Jarl Thorrn, flicka will be there with bells on. ~laughing happily~

Tanthio§~~={======>~~~*Owner of eudokia*~ 20:56:56 pm CST
Takes note on Friday the 26th
Wishing A/all well as I exit.

{ariella} Heretic ~❣️~A Bit Of Heaven In Hell~❣️~ 20:57:10 pm CST
-listens to Jarl-

peanut {Lita} 20:57:31 pm CST
sounds fun Jarl Thorrn

Mintar 20:57:43 pm CST
Barbaric.

~glimmer~

Austin - Scholar- 20:57:46 pm CST
Thank you Zoran for leading
flicka thank you for the difficult task of scribing

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:57:59 pm CST
Great that you woll be there too - and with bells on to chase away the spooky ghosts of the north *W*W*

ayrie{Thadron} 20:57:59 pm CST
Thank You for leading Forum, Master Zoran

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:58:02 pm CST
I hope to be there Captain

Venator-Warrior 20:58:28 pm CST
Thank you for leading Zoran and flicka for scribing

rykl.{Ramses} :Rr: Dylan 20:58:33 pm CST
Thank you Master Zoran for leading
Thank you mistress for scribing
This one must leave

{ariella} Heretic ~❣️~A Bit Of Heaven In Hell~❣️~ 20:58:51 pm CST
This girl will be there if allowed...

peanut {Lita} 20:58:56 pm CST
aye thanks for tonights topics Master Zoran

Sissy 20:59:03 pm CST
Thank you for allowing me to sit in on Forum
Blessed Be

ayrie{Thadron} 20:59:30 pm CST
Thank you for scribing mistress ~one owes her a hand massage

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 20:59:35 pm CST
come and add to the fun, peanut
*S*S*

natasha{Zoran} 20:59:53 pm CST
thank You, my Master for leading a most interesting forum and thank you lovely mistress for scribing it.

moira {Venator} 21:00:00 pm CST
Thank You for leading Master Zoran

Thanks mistress flicka for scribing

~A Necessary Evil~ 21:00:24 pm CST
Thanks for leading the forum Zoran and thank you lil beast for scribing as always

Austin - Scholar- 21:01:06 pm CST
Friday night should be fun

Bretval {meral}: Merchant 21:01:31 pm CST
My thanks for leading Zoran and to the luscious flicka for scribing

peanut {Lita} 21:01:37 pm CST
mistress...girl will need permission first but don't think she wont ask...bright smiles

peanut {Lita} 21:02:02 pm CST
gerrr...sorry Jarl Thorrn she meant

LionHeart of Old 21:02:28 pm CST
The northern way of serving is well beyond in terms of contact what many girls posted restrictions allow -- what a Southerner would call serving with heat -- is a "normal" serve by the more aggressive style demanded of bonds in a "community" setting of the lodges -- are girls going to be released to do so?

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 21:05:50 pm CST
LionHeart.
The restrictions of a slave are depending on her Owners will.
If she is not allowed to serve in the free way of the north that night she just tell a Master friendly and it will be respected.
If any one is in doubts - restricted slaves will also be restricted bondmaids - a pitty but it will be so.

LionHeart of Old 21:07:52 pm CST
Nods, I assumed so, but indeed even basic serves from behind as bonds must do require more contact that many here allow. The girls need to understand both their own limits (restrictions) and the requirements well

{ariella} Heretic ~❣️~A Bit Of Heaven In Hell~❣️~ 21:09:31 pm CST
-thinks all but mistress are now somewhat restricted-

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 21:11:30 pm CST
One by one slips away, all topics of tonight got discussed and so forum gets officially closed for tonight.
Thank you to all who took part or added to the discussion.