Attending:
Jarl Keeper
Master Bretval
Master Dak
Master Sabom
Master Heretic
Mistress Lita
mistress snowrose
flicka
fidget
maddie~anne
leatha
rane
jamee
ruby~
Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 19:55:38 pm CDT
I am happy enough to start Forum, however I may have to leave with zero notice if our guest arrive.
Bretval, if no Captains arrive, would You be kind enough to take over if and when My RT guest arrive?
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 19:57:46 pm CDT
I will do so... as long as the urts don't get Me again, Keeper
Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 19:58:39 pm CDT
Thank You Bretval.
If anyone has a topic, please PM it to Me.
ruby~{Randolph} ~t 20:00:04 pm CDT
readies the rence parchment and my Jarls writing stick
flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 20:01:49 pm CDT
~whispers a thank you to ruby~
Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:02:38 pm CDT
Ok, we have a topic.
One moment please
Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:05:34 pm CDT
Before we start.
~Looking at the new slave and the exquisite collar around her beautiful neck.~
Welcome rane to your new home, I trust you will serve it well.
We shall complete the ceremony at another time.
Heretic: The Foresaken One 20:06:29 pm CDT
*looking around*
rane ~ GS~ 20:06:45 pm CDT
~ she blushes ~
Thank You Master Keeper she looks forward to it
Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:06:46 pm CDT
~Reaching over taking the key to rane's from Bretval.~
Thank You Friend.
Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:07:27 pm CDT
Now, the topic.
Brace yourself.
The Topic: Goreans are unique individuals. Online players should
not compromise their character’s morals and values in their play.
Quotes For This Week
"There is no single humanity, no single shirt, no correct pair of
shoes, no uniform, even a gray one, that will fit all men. There
are a thousand humanities possible. He who denies this sees only
his own horizons. He who disagrees is the denier of difference, and
the murderer of the better futures. (Savages of Gor, p.31)
"The test of a society is perhaps not its conformance or
nonconformance to principles but the nature and human prosperity of
its members. Let each look about himself and judge for himself the
success of his own society. Man lives confused in the ruins of
ideologies. Perhaps he will someday emerge from the caves and pens
of his past. That would be a beautiful day to see. There would be a
sunlit world waiting for him" (Slave Girl of Gor, p.212)
“Truth, you see, has reality on its side. Truth's problems do not
derive primarily from the complexity of nature but from the
simplicity of people. It is always more convenient to adopt a
slogan than conduct an inquiry. Too, the often cold and flinty
nature of truth may, too many people, understandably, constitute a
poor substitute for the comforts of self-deception. Harmless lies,
perhaps, improve the quality of human life. They do not, of course,
improve its nobility or grandeur. (Blood Brothers of Gor - Page
264)
“Do not ask the stones or the trees how to live , they can not tell
you ; they do not have tongues, do not ask the wise man how to live
for, if he knows, he will know he cannot tell you; if you would
learn how to live, do not ask the question, its answer is not in
the question but in the answer, which is not in words; do not ask
how to live, but, instead, proceed to do so. (Marauders of Gor -
Page 9)
Honor is important to Goreans, in a way that those of Earth might
find it hard to understand; for example, those of Earth find it
natural that men should go to war over matters of gold and riches,
but not honor; the Gorean, contrariwise, is more willing to submit
matters of honor to the adjudication of steel than he is matters of
riches and gold; there is a simple explanation for this; honor is
more important to him. (Beasts of Gor - Page 42)
“What of honor?” I asked.
“An inconvenience,” he said, “an impediment on the path to power.”
“You seem to me,” I said uncertainly, “one who might once have had
honor.”
“I have outgrown it,” he said.
“The most dangerous lies, “ I said, “are those which we tell
ourselves.” (Vagabonds of Gor – Page 468)
Questions
1) What Gorean values have you considered as you develop your
character?
2) Have you ever had to deal with a situation in rp that has
compromised those values and how did you handle it?
3) Most people carry over their real values into their rp. When a
situation arises, how do you separate the real from the rp?
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 20:08:06 pm CDT
It was a pleasure to add to the GS chain
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 20:18:11 pm CDT
Question 1: I will start... I considered honour as a priority in RT and VT... so there is no problem for Me
SaBom 20:19:46 pm CDT
~nods in agreement with Bretval
SaBom 20:21:42 pm CDT
The only thing a Man has that can't be taken is his honor and integrity
Lita, Physician 20:25:58 pm CDT
But, Bretval, there are points of Gorean honor thqat differ dramaticalloy from thse of earth. What do you
do when they conflict?
Heretic: The Foresaken One 20:26:36 pm CDT
*sits leaning against wall, right leg bent holding My right wrist*
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 20:26:57 pm CDT
I admit though that honour must be eased in the telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
whole truth.... little white lies spare the feelings of some from having their way they see themselves
challenged needlessly
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:27:42 pm CDT
The honour of Gorean men is one of the things that make Them so attractive to her. she may not always
like the way she is treated, but she has the comfort of knowing is is true to His own honour and way of
looking at the situation
SaBom 20:28:55 pm CDT
I think Bretval, that you can keep your honor and not hurt someone needlessly
maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 20:29:03 pm CDT
~thinking hard, and realizing she is wordy, she lets them spill from pink lips~
first, this slut thinks that she bring the values of being submissive to herself online...it is a trait she is not
really allowed to present in r/t as if she did she could not command the respect and direction that she has
needed in her r/t jobs...how does that affect her o/l self, well, it tends to make her more submissive,
sometimes to a fault, but she still finds joy in being someone she isn't allowed to be in r/t...and when it
clashes, the r/t and o/l, this slut tends to take her traits that she has used in r/t on and, although trying to be
as respectful as possible, her submission and only be pushed so far by Those Who have malice in Their
intent before she pushes back in a way that is...clear....~wonders if that all made sense~
Lita, Physician 20:29:10 pm CDT
good point snow
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:31:15 pm CDT
~smiles to maddie~ it did to her.
fidget {GS} ~t 20:31:35 pm CDT
perfect sense
rane ~ GS~ 20:31:58 pm CDT
To girl a Master's honor is more important then how He swings His sword or furs girl ~ blushes ~ just
knowing what He says is the truth is more comforting then anything and although girl might not like it at
all times it raises the level of respect that girl has for the Master
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 20:32:07 pm CDT
*grins at Lita* By being as selective as the author... I see no contrast as I am a free-thinker... and ignore
the standard rules whenever possible.. none of Uus would be here it Wwe did not ignore the normal rules
SaBom 20:33:11 pm CDT
Very good maddie..... Perfect sense
Lita, Physician 20:33:13 pm CDT
That is true, Bretval
ruby~{Randolph} ~t 20:33:30 pm CDT
rane
ruby agrees with you fully
rane ~ GS~ 20:34:03 pm CDT
~ smiles ~ at maddie ~ well said
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 20:35:51 pm CDT
made sense to Me maddie...
Lita, Physician 20:36:21 pm CDT
I can't help but think of the ethical and moral conflicts between the Muslims and Us of late. On Gopr
there'd be no conflict. A City'[s rules extend as far as its gates, period. So on Gor, a City worshippping,
say, Odin, woould not even think of allowing a Shariah court, though in those Cities having Shariah law
ass their guiding power, would no doubt prohibit all mention of Odin
Heretic: The Foresaken One 20:38:13 pm CDT
*nods to Litas comparison*
maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 20:38:57 pm CDT
~settles her backside into her heels as she doesn't much like the attention pointed to her, she speaks softly
as she adds her last little bit~
one of those things that makes her r/t self push back is when One lurks, copies and then uses these words
spoken by slaves during Forum against them at a later time...that is something that will make this slut
push back
Heretic: The Foresaken One 20:40:59 pm CDT
I always enjoy the r/t comparisons, makes it easier for rookies like Me, *chuckles*
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 20:41:57 pm CDT
True, Lita... but consider the size of a city is limited by the retardation of technological advances by the
PK... if Urth was limited to Tarns the possible effects of war would also be limited
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 20:44:52 pm CDT
the rate of change would be almost stopped
Lita, Physician 20:45:31 pm CDT
That is also true.
ruby~{Randolph} ~t 20:47:08 pm CDT
peeks over at Master Dak...girl would like to hear His wisdom, on the topic
Heretic: The Foresaken One 20:48:15 pm CDT
*looks over at Dak*
Dak 20:49:09 pm CDT
seriously doubt any are interested in My "wisdom*, ruby, *smiles*
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 20:49:15 pm CDT
the question of honour would be more important to the individual because the society would not be driven
by ever faster and bigger
Heretic: The Foresaken One 20:50:00 pm CDT
I am, Dak
maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 20:51:44 pm CDT
~aqua eyes shift to...Master...Dak and wonders why He does not speak His...opinion~
Lita, Physician 20:51:49 pm CDT
Tal Dak, good to see You. And Your wisdom is always welcome, ven when I might disagree with it. We
need to discuss both sides of the issues. Discussions get pretty boring if everyone thinks the same way
SaBom 20:52:31 pm CDT
That is why we are here Dak... Exchange of thoughts and ideas
Heretic: The Foresaken One 20:53:40 pm CDT
I took that approach last week, Lady Lita *sly grin*
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 20:54:19 pm CDT
I would certainly be interested, Dak
Lita, Physician 20:54:41 pm CDT
And a lively and interesting discussion it was, too, Heretic! *grins*
SaBom 20:55:30 pm CDT
Sounds unanimous Dak
Heretic: The Foresaken One 20:57:58 pm CDT
Ok ok ok, let's all put Oour collective hardons for Daks words of wisdom, Wwe Salk seem like desperate
sluts at this point *chuckling*
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 21:04:58 pm CDT
Any other comments on question 1?
ruby~{Randolph} ~t 21:08:08 pm CDT
Master Bretval
nothing from this mere slut
Heretic: The Foresaken One 21:09:06 pm CDT
In the words of Kuurus....
Next
*laughing*
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 21:09:09 pm CDT
2) Have you ever had to deal with a situation in rp that has
compromised those values and how did you handle it?
maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 21:10:41 pm CDT
~shudders hearing the black One's name uttered by Master Heretic~
SaBom 21:11:13 pm CDT
Isn't defending honor a little difficult vt??
Heretic: The Foresaken One 21:13:05 pm CDT
Let's not bring race into this aqua eyes.....*chuckling*
ruby~{Randolph} ~t 21:13:11 pm CDT
Master Sabom
sometimes words are mightier, than the sword
maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 21:13:53 pm CDT
~laughing softly as she hears Master Heretic, she shifts on her heels with a wink to Him~
SaBom 21:16:01 pm CDT
Agreed ruby but do you think words matter to one with no honor??
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 21:16:07 pm CDT
Certainly it can be... but we must remember that the main question refers to question 1
Questions
1) What Gorean values have you considered as you develop your
character?
ruby~{Randolph} ~t 21:17:40 pm CDT
Master Sabom
in truth ..no
ruby would turn her cheek, which is how she is rt too
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:20:01 pm CDT
2. she really hasn't.. for her it's exquisite beauty, and absolute obedience
maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 21:20:09 pm CDT
~hearing Master Sabom, she speaks quietly~
if a person has honor, be they Free or slave, o/l, then T/their actions will reveal that honor eventually...a
mask can only be held up for so long before the weakening of the hold and cracking of the mask is seen,
in this slut's opinion...
~hearing Mistress, she quickly nods as that is the only thing this slut can ever do once the fare warning of
her departure is said by the beautiful Free Woman~
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 21:24:30 pm CDT
I can see where the role play can have problems in being consistent... but I wrote one of the mist bios..
and even I could not consider all the possibilities when creating My character... of couse there will be
problems ... the best We can do is put you thinking into your charcter and try to think like him and play it
out
*grinning* Into every rain a little inconsistency must fall.... just like R/T
Heretic: The Foresaken One 21:25:55 pm CDT
What if you wear a mask that doesn't need held up, aqua eyes?
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 21:27:36 pm CDT
OK the hour is late and our scribe needs to depart so I am going to close the forum... any really interested
in the questions do some homework and think about them
ruby~{Randolph} ~t 21:28:27 pm CDT
thank You Master Bretval for leading
Heretic: The Foresaken One 21:28:35 pm CDT
Fair enough
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:28:52 pm CDT
Thank you for leading Master Bretval ..she looks forward to hearing more
thank you for scribing, pretty ruby
Heretic: The Foresaken One 21:29:33 pm CDT
Thank you Bretval and Keeper, very briefly
Thanks to ruby~ for scribing
Bretval{meral}:Merchant 21:31:09 pm CDT
Thank you for scribing gemstone...
maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 21:31:45 pm CDT
~nods softly~
this slut offers her thanks for continuing the lead, Master Bretval...~smiles and blows a kiss~
and maddie offers her thanks, precious, for scribing precious ~hugz and lickz~
ruby~{Randolph} ~t 21:32:33 pm CDT
a pleasure to serve my Jarls Home in this fashion
purrs to the nic..gemstone
well wishes, departs for His furs
