Present:

Rollo
Tanthio§
Bretval
Acquired Taste
Lionheart
Lita

snowrose
maddie-anne
leatha
pink fluff
flicka

Rollo the Ax 19:47:13 pm CST
Okay folks..... until somebody sends me a topic or question, lets start with this....... * What should any GS

member do if ANY person comes into GS admitting to gender switching or multi

personality role play ?

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 19:49:44 pm CST
snowrose doesn't know what to do...some have come in as slave and Free, using several different slave
names..mostly the slave entities don't even speak, but the Free Woman does

snowrose has PMed them and said to make a post, but is always ignored.

Rollo the Ax 19:50:02 pm CST
The simple answer is that any person... Free or slave ... that sees such should C+P any such conversation
and send it to the Council for their judgement.....

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 19:50:07 pm CST
and that is all just one person

Bretval: Merchant 19:52:42 pm CST
The easy answer would be hit the Ignore button... and advise the Council or their actions... assuming the
actions were taken in GS

Tanthio§ 19:52:56 pm CST
Aye snow, there will be them and I've been checking Ip's their all the same person. He's asking if they
admit it. I'd send them to the Pool or ignore.

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 19:53:26 pm CST
Hmm that is actually quite a conundrum Master Rollo, obviously there is no respect for a person who is
playing such games.
But if the persona they are in at the time happens to be that of a Free Person, then flicka is constrained to
treat them as a Master or Mistress.

This girl would ensure that she:

a. scribed the whole session.

b. obtained their web thingy, sorry, forget what it is called.

c. tried to extricate herself as quickly as possible while remaining true to what she is herself.

d. forwarded all of the information to her Jarl for Him to deal with it as He saw fit.

Master Acquired Taste 19:53:56 pm CST
*nods in agreement with Bretval*

Rollo the Ax 19:55:02 pm CST
snowrose..... you, or anybody else can't force or expect somebody like that to admit to their

misconduct......

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 19:55:11 pm CST
~reading Master Tanthio§ post~
ISP that is it. ~chuckling~

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 19:55:24 pm CST
The trouble with the ignore button is that they don't speak anyway, and they can still see everyone's
posts... Not lately, but there have been times in the past when snowrose has had to take class to a private
room..

Rollo the Ax 19:56:20 pm CST
and again, a good plan of action flicka.....

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 19:57:22 pm CST
Wasn't the question:

. * What should any GS member do if ANY person comes into GS admitting to gender switching or multi

personality role play ?

Therefore they must have spoken.

maddie~anne{TH} 19:59:09 pm CST
~nods, thinking there are two different discussions going on here~

pink fluff {O} 19:59:12 pm CST
this girl informed the person they believed they were breaking the rukes and would be banned...didnt
knkw what else to do but it necessary to speak up...even though was a free amn....tomme they were an
imposter and not part of the spirit of Gor

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 19:59:27 pm CST
she has never seen anyone admit it. But yes if they speak, she scribes it and sends it to the Council..just
mostly been mutes in recent times

Bretval: Merchant 19:59:31 pm CST
I could see that might be a problem, snow... if you are discussing very sensitive information

Rollo the Ax 20:00:04 pm CST
Once again, snowrose...... there are ways, and then there are ways to deal with such ppl.... on one hand, if
they can see what you are talking about it should make no difference ...... speak only the truth and keep
YOUR persona clean and they have NOTHING to use or say against you.... it should be a given rule for
anybody in GS.....

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:00:53 pm CST
yes Master Bretval.. the slaves do not feel free to speak their mind with a hovering silent presence, who
very well may not even be a slave at all

Master Acquired Taste 20:02:16 pm CST
*listening Rollo*

Rollo the Ax 20:02:29 pm CST
The simple fact of either matter is that ** ALL ** any of us have here is our good name and HONOR
!!!!! and yes, even slaves can have and show honor in their own way......

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 20:03:18 pm CST
flicka agrees with Your words Master Rollo, we should always we speaking in a manner that we are at no
pain for anyone to see.

But in slave class for example, we are often speaking of things that are to do with slaves. And whilst
respect is always still maintained, to wit, any Captain may enter slave class and read what is being said,
we are still sometimes talking about things that are not necessarily for just anyone's ears.

Rollo the Ax 20:05:19 pm CST
snowrose....... any slave need not fear a hovering or silent presence if they are doing nothing wrong...... it
may be annoying, but if such a person has nothing better in their life than to peak and sneak, who
really cares what they have to say ?

Bretval: Merchant 20:06:32 pm CST
Cannot help but wonder why anyone would be interested... beyond learning about GS but again We are
discussing 2 different situations

maddie~anne{TH} 20:08:41 pm CST
this girl read the original question to be a person entering as both a Free and slave...if that is the case,
maddie has to agree with flicka...maddie would copy and paste and pass along to her Master for Him to
deal...

Rollo the Ax 20:08:50 pm CST
Okay... lets face facts..... VERY few ppl here in GS have any form of banning or booting from the
site....... so all we can do is try diplomacy and common sense ...... if that does not work, then we push the
ignore button and hope for the best.......

Master Acquired Taste 20:08:51 pm CST
*feeling brave and decides to open His mouth*

I know you have a set room for slave classes and it would seem a bit of a nuance. But with the recent
visitors from pool. One would think it would be a good idea to move classes to a private, at least for the
time being. If a Captain, becomes present in GS the trainer simply provide room name.

Rollo the Ax 20:11:00 pm CST
also snowrose, you should check with the Slave Master for sure, but I can't see there being any real
problem with holding slave class in a private room if you are covering items that require privacy

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:11:16 pm CST
It's what we have to say that we don't want some sinister presence hearing. So we go private.

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 20:11:43 pm CST
~nodding in agreement with Master Acquired Taste~

Master and that is exactly what we do if an intruder enters slave class. Anyone with a lower case name is
welcome, until or unless they reveal that they are something other than a slave.

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:12:11 pm CST
Yes Master Rollo...we have been given permission to do that...and it has been suggested that classes be
held in private.

Rollo the Ax 20:14:32 pm CST
These sorts of problems have been part of on-line Gor for as many years as I have been around.... 15-20
yrs now...... trouble makers and the like have always been here and will most likely always be so....... we
can only do the best we can with what we have.....

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:15:11 pm CST
Yes Master. ~smiles~

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 20:16:58 pm CST
flicka would hate to see slave class be taken to a private room as a matter of course.

It would make it even more difficult for new girls to feel welcomed. However occasionally we do need to
do so, and as mistress snowrose has stated, we have the permission of the Council to do so if it is deemed
necessary.

Rollo the Ax 20:21:20 pm CST
LIFE is only as hard or simple as we make it ourselves ...... I follow a few simple rules..... don't lie to
ppl..... don't say anything on-line that I would not be willing to say face to face with anybody..... hold
myself to my own code of Honor and actions..... simply put, they can kill me but they can't ( or won't ) eat
me.... LOL... DEATH is much better than life with no honor.......

maddie~anne{TH} 20:21:26 pm CST
~appears this question has been answered...throughly~

Rollo the Ax 20:23:52 pm CST
LionHeart .... if that slave of Daks is really this switcher than it depends on if he knew it or not...... if he
did he is as guilty as the he/she slave......

Master Acquired Taste 20:24:18 pm CST
*nods to Rollo the Ax's wise words*

Rollo the Ax 20:24:21 pm CST

anybody have another topic

pink fluff {O} 20:25:53 pm CST
this person said they never informed Dak.....this girl asked what Dak thought when He found out...and
was told ane didnt knkw

LionHeart 20:26:55 pm CST
I do not impune any of the Home I know what I read in the room when I entered. I'd he was telling the
truth a gender bender and not Gorean. If lying in that was not sophie then a liar and not Gorean so I forbid
the slut fluff to speak or serve it

pink fluff {O} 20:27:16 pm CST
that would be Master Dak

Rollo the Ax 20:27:29 pm CST
In case some here don't know...... our usual forum rules call for not greeting once the forum has
started...... so I have not snubbed or ignored any that entered ... just following the rules.... and no insult
intended

Rollo the Ax 20:30:13 pm CST
Okay folks........ no new topic or question....

Rollo the Ax 20:32:28 pm CST

So lets try this...... What does * GOREAN * mean what is it to *BE * Gorean here, on-line

Rollo the Ax 20:33:50 pm CST
We take it is a given that those here have read some if not all the books.....

pink fluff {O} 20:35:13 pm CST
half way through first book Master Rollo the Ax

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:35:38 pm CST
~listens, loving to hear the Free's thoughts on things like this~

maddie~anne{TH} 20:35:47 pm CST
~turning her eyes to Jarl~ that is a very open ended question, in this slut's opinion Jarl...and this girl
would venture to say that not A/all have read at least one of the books but perhaps are drawn to
the...principles of Gor, with respect...although this girl has to admit it has been years since she read the
books...

Lita, Physician 20:36:15 pm CST
Ubar Luther has a whole essay on that. But I won't post it here unless it is wishede.

Rollo the Ax 20:36:18 pm CST

folks, there are no * wrong * answers here... being Gorean means different things to different

folks..

LionHeart 20:37:09 pm CST
HONOR

Master Acquired Taste 20:37:40 pm CST
Ok fuck it, I'll openly admit I haven't read any books yet. I'm not hiding that fact.

leatha {GS} 20:38:16 pm CST
leatha hasn't been here online long, nor has ventured to any other true home. The Gor life she knew was
real time. she loves the principles of Gor, the need, yearn and ache to please is so deeply embedded in this
girl, she cannot help but not to come and share her heart.

LionHeart 20:38:42 pm CST
Defined as standing for Friends and what believe regardless of cost

pink fluff {O} 20:38:47 pm CST
smiles to Master Acquired...gotta love that honesty...think thats a great Gorean trait!

Rollo the Ax 20:39:14 pm CST
anybody that wants Luthers essay is more than welcome to get it from you, Lita..... but from my own
point of view, even that is simply ONE persons position..... agree or not ........ it can and does mean more
or less to others..........................

leatha {GS} 20:39:15 pm CST
You might really like them, Master Acquired Taste. she smiles

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 20:40:32 pm CST
flicka wishes there were SPARK NOTES for the books, but yes, a girl has read some. ~ a little drool
falling from the corner of her mouth as she recalls, Slave Girl of Gor~

From flicka's point of view the basic premises of the books are:

. Men are manly and are naturally leaders and dominant.

. all women are submissive and their true state of being it to be slaves of Men.

Having attended many book club sessions, flicka also reckons that all the fighting bits and the bits that are
not interaction between Masters and slaves are rather puerile and boring.

But that is just flicka's viewpoint.

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:40:47 pm CST
snowrose has never been anywhere else, so all she knows of being Gorean she learned from the Free of
this home. she has so much respect for Them.

Rollo the Ax 20:40:58 pm CST
AT... it is no matter.... you have the right to do so or not, and if and when you want to read any of them,
then you will do so.......

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:42:40 pm CST
~winks to flicka~

Master Acquired Taste 20:43:33 pm CST
I feel it would definitely help with Gorean language/lingo leatha and Rollo

Bretval: Merchant 20:43:40 pm CST
Males are automatically superior to females whether Free or slave... Free woman are due respect because
of the fact they are Free ... but if the violate the rules of society they can and will be reduced to slaves.
Slaves are *g* talking animals ... and are totally under thje control of their Owners

Rollo the Ax 20:44:35 pm CST
Rollo is an old bastard ...... LOL.. I started reading the books when JN wrote them.... first one in Nam...
have read and re-read the first 25 many times...... but that is Rollo..... and it makes me NO better or worse
or * Gorean * than any other person here.... just older and a few more * experiences * ......

leatha {GS} 20:45:33 pm CST
nods in agreement with Master Acquired Taste. the Gorean language is something we had lesson on not
too long ago. leatha feels it is important to know it well.

LionHeart 20:46:24 pm CST
Gor indeed had perks of sex and domination, but to be Goreean is to be HONORABLE.

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 20:46:39 pm CST
~a chuckle turning into a woof at Master Bretval's words~

Rollo the Ax 20:47:51 pm CST
Once again AT... much of the on-line Gor is or has been made up as we have gone..... and some from
those that just would not change their ways or agree with others.......

Rollo the Ax 20:50:45 pm CST
The domination and submission of men and women here is basically natures way... in my opinion..... but
todays society looks down on the ideas....

Master Acquired Taste 20:51:56 pm CST
*laughs* Very true Rollo, very true

Bretval: Merchant 20:52:21 pm CST
Of course My words do not reflect the complexities of the different cultures that can be found on Gor...
simply is the basic tenants of the Worlds essence

maddie~anne{TH} 20:55:05 pm CST
~thinks she needs to do some more reading~

Rollo the Ax 20:55:18 pm CST

as for Honor ? the basic ideal is sound, and is VERY important.... my own code of Honor may differ
slightly or to a different degree than some...... but without Honor, no man can call himself such.... and
women have their own honor also......

LionHeart 20:57:40 pm CST
Perhaps the books speak more to the excesses of the feminist movement of the late 60s and 70s than to
men's domination of women. But rather were a meant as a hyperbole to fight against an equal
overstatement

leatha {GS} 20:58:03 pm CST
honoring the home is of great importance. that is why girl believes it is written and a good rule that a
slave here collared to Gorean Shores may not travel.

Bretval: Merchant 20:58:07 pm CST
I agree, Rollo... a life without Honour is not worth living...

Rollo the Ax 20:58:34 pm CST
Nothing remains of a man but his name..... it is up to him to make it a good name or bad one.....

LionHeart 20:59:34 pm CST
Is also on Gor an honor of ones place in the society and honoring it be it that of Warrior, Merchant, FC, or
even slave. To honor your role in the system is an honor all may have --- or not

Bretval: Merchant 21:01:52 pm CST
Indeed... even the Caste of Assassins have a code of Honour

Rollo the Ax 21:02:15 pm CST
You may just have a very valid point there LionHeart.... as can be seen in the books, all of the female
slaves taken from earth to Gor fought their slavery due to such feminist concepts.... LOL... but in the end
found their slave heart.......

ruby~{Randolph} ~t~ 21:03:02 pm CST
imho
all a slave has is her reputation for honesty...her honor of being loyal to ones Owner...not even her name
is hers

Rollo the Ax 21:03:52 pm CST
The lowest peasant to the highest Ubar ..... they all have their own honor.....

maddie~anne{TH} 21:04:15 pm CST
~nods and adds~ but honor of being loyal to ones Owner is honor none the less, in this girl's opinion...

LionHeart 21:05:18 pm CST
A point I have often heard argued is if slaves can have honor? Opinions? I known Mine

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 21:07:39 pm CST
~nodding in agreement with both maddie-anne and ruby~

It is mere semantics to say that slaves have no honour. If one exchanges the words loyalty, honesty,
faithfulness, et al, then one will find that these words are the components of honour.

Rollo the Ax 21:07:47 pm CST
The one major problem that Rollo has ever had with on-line Gor was the way so many new * Masters *
treated it like a video game.... I am big and tough and will kill you with my sword.... ON-LINE
?? kids play that game . * bang, I shot you you'r dead..... no you didn't, you missed, bang, I shot you now
you'r dead..... *

leatha {GS} 21:07:50 pm CST
bites her lip,

girl does indeed think slaves have honor. it is different, of course to a Master or Mistress. but there is
honor here in a slave the home calls leatha

Master Acquired Taste 21:09:33 pm CST
*laughing* Rollo, wise and funny. I like that.

Rollo the Ax 21:09:36 pm CST
I agree with flicka and have said so many times....

LionHeart 21:09:57 pm CST
Amen Rollo. Game playing fighting skills don't make a Gorean

Bretval: Merchant 21:10:02 pm CST
Of course there is a contradiction in the thinking of the feminists in the books.... basically that women do
not enjoy sex... and yet one of the feminists movements was to free women to feel free to enjoy sex an
option not available to the Free Women of Gor

maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 21:10:10 pm CST
Master LionHeart, with respect, this one believes that question needs context...if speaking strictly book
wise, then in the books this girl gleaned that a slave had nothing, as ruby pointed out, not even their name
BUT they could bring honor to their Owner by their behavior...and in the online word, it is this girl's
opinion that slaves can and do have honor otherwise the very topic discussed early would not be
necessary as a slave who is playing both slave and Free has no honor at all...

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:10:31 pm CST
snowrose thinks slaves have honor...they can behave dishonorably, so they have honor to their station in
life...loyalty, devotion

LionHeart 21:10:40 pm CST
There is a debate if slaves can have honor. I think they can on 2 levels. First, on Gor there is the honor of
your station in life: homestone and or culture (not all Gorean areas have home stones), Caste or job, social
status. A slave has a sociological position and just as the Wolf Brothers while they rape and pillage honor
their role (Raiders and Outlaws) a slave can have honor in submitting even to Free that are asses because
she is slave. Or no honor trying to top Free and manipulate them. Second is personal honor and it is said
that as a slave is an animal they can't have this. And as is LEGALLY an animal if honor were a matter of
CONTRACTS she could not, but honor is an existential function of being HUMAN and being a human
animal a slave like all humans can be honorable or not.

Something I wrote in a discussion in My home

LionHeart 21:14:42 pm CST
The below was proceeded by a longer talk that slaves are animals in that have the rights of animals not in
that cease to be human, but rather become humans with rights of animals eg property

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 21:14:44 pm CST
~eyes widening as a girl reads the judicious words of Master Lionheart. Well thought out words indeed.~

Rollo the Ax 21:15:27 pm CST
LionHeart...... I have bred dogs for many years.... they are animals..... but I have found MORE honor in
many of the dogs I raised and trained, than I have in thousands of humans I have known........ so for Rollo
there is no question about slaves having honor... animal status or not

maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 21:16:07 pm CST
~nods her head in agreement with Master LionHeart's thoughts~

Bretval: Merchant 21:17:35 pm CST
Well said, LionHeart

LionHeart 21:17:54 pm CST
Bretval,though oddly a large part of the feminist movement became the odd bedfellows of anti-
heterosexual women and heterosexual women that wanted to slow down the "need sleep with everybody"
ethos of the free love generation

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:18:05 pm CST
~listens to the Masters' wise thoughts on the subject

ruby~{Randolph} ~t~ 21:20:17 pm CST
well stated Master Lionheart..ruby can't agree more

LionHeart 21:22:34 pm CST
~shrugs~

I am of the old school but sadly much of the rp in My home site is more story / game oriented, but ~sly
smile~ I stay and fight to good fight

Bretval: Merchant 21:22:48 pm CST
Indeed.... but lets be honest, the Victorian Age screwed up most of the English and North Americans
thinking in finding a proper way of looking at sex

maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 21:23:04 pm CST
~giggles at Master's sly smile~

LionHeart 21:25:59 pm CST
It goes back further than that to when Christianity to make peace with Roman stoic and platonic anti-sex
attitudes deserted Judiams more healthy view of it as a gift from the Creator

Bretval: Merchant 21:27:47 pm CST
Agreed, LH... it has always been a problem

LionHeart 21:31:07 pm CST
The most difficult part of training a slave is not serves, but making her accept she is both property and yet
still human. With real emotions, fears, etc. and not a robot.

Men accept too often less than the whole of a woman and accept a truncated sexual animal that loses real
emotion. To those men that insist a woman is JUST an animal and not a human animal I suggest they fur
a bosk instead of a pretty slave.

Rollo the Ax 21:31:28 pm CST
In the Republic of Rome, things were not so confined.... once they went to the Emperors ideals changed
some, by the 3-4 century AD and the Christian influence, it was all down hill from there.....

Master Acquired Taste 21:32:26 pm CST
*nods in agreement with LH*

Bretval: Merchant 21:32:50 pm CST
Hear, Hear

ruby~{Randolph} ~t~ 21:33:59 pm CST
wiggles to the truism of Master Lionhearts words

LionHeart 21:35:23 pm CST
See there I disagree Rollo it was not Rome's christianization that occured and was the problem, but
Christianity's romanization in the acceptance of platonic and stoicism hate of sexuality

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:35:57 pm CST
~laughs softly at Master Lionheart's suggestion

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 21:36:01 pm CST
Master Lionheart, flicka thinks You would find few slaves in GS that fit that mold.

Much to the chagrin of a few Masters at times.

leatha {GS} 21:36:05 pm CST
nods along with Master LionHeart

maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 21:36:12 pm CST
~shivers as she hears Master LionHeart...true, very true~

Rollo the Ax 21:37:28 pm CST
Very well said, LionHeart..... a REAL man wants a WOMAN, not some sex doll ...... the BRAIN is the
most powerful sex organ..... not the dick or pussy......

LionHeart 21:37:49 pm CST
Adds. Me I prefer to fur a collared human female and roast a bosk

maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 21:38:32 pm CST
~nods as her Master has said the same thing about the brain~

Master Acquired Taste 21:38:43 pm CST
I've came across some pretty powerful pussy, before. *soft chuckle*

Rollo the Ax 21:38:46 pm CST
Okay folks........ our time has come to an end for this week...... Thanks to all for attending and taking
part..... and thanks to flicka for taking notes........

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:39:49 pm CST
Thank You for leading Master Rollo

and thank you for scribing, pretty flicka

LionHeart 21:39:52 pm CST
Aye what is between the ears is more important in sex than what is between the legs

Rollo the Ax 21:39:58 pm CST
Same place, same time next week folks....... Be Well, and may Wodin the one eyed smile on all that enter
my home.........

ruby~{Randolph} ~t~ 21:40:26 pm CST
thank You, Master Rollo for leading Forum

pretty flicka for scribing
ruby didn't back up this moon..blushes hot

Bretval: Merchant 21:40:30 pm CST
I will stay out of this ... it is outside My historical readings... mine if more gfeneral

LionHeart 21:40:33 pm CST
My thanks for being allowed to speak My thoughts

leatha {GS} 21:41:02 pm CST
thank You Master Rollo for leading the forum tonight.

thanks flicka for scribing

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 21:41:13 pm CST
Thank You Master Rollo, for an interesting Forum.

Thank You also Masters and sisters for making this two hours thought provoking.

Rollo the Ax 21:41:29 pm CST
all are welcome at Forum LionHeart........

Master Acquired Taste 21:41:51 pm CST
Thanks to Rollo and flicka.

Separate thanks to Aall else

LionHeart 21:42:06 pm CST
And My sympathies to flicka that she had to record My words ~chuckles~

maddie~anne{TH} ~ Property of Thadron 21:43:02 pm CST
Thank You Jarl Rollo for leading and girl hopes You remain well...

thank you flickering one for scribing ~smiles~

this girl has to scoot, rocket launching in T minus 7 ehns

~blowing kisses to A/all as she scoots out~

Bretval: Merchant 21:43:10 pm CST
Thanks for leading, Rollo
and flicka for scribing

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~t~. 21:43:34 pm CST
Master Lionheart, it is flicka's pleasure to serve her home in this way.

ruby~{Randolph} ~t~ 21:44:17 pm CST
tiny quick notation

ruby will lead slave class Wed ..hoping for a good turn out