Present:

Keeper
Ramses
Bretval
SaBom
Lita
snowrose
maddie-anne
ruby
janet
leatha
flicka

Lita, Physician 19:50:24 pm CST
I have a topic as soon as We have a moderator

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 19:50:30 pm CST
Actually...lets get the ball rolling as they say.
If you have a topic can you PM Me.
And if I have to leave, I know Forum will be in capable hands.
So PMs and topics please.

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 19:56:58 pm CST
This week's topic is;

This week I was messaged the question "If you could choose Gor or
Earth which would you choose?"
Why do you choose as you do?
Do you think there can be Gor on Earth?
Are there things on Gor you wish were on earth? And visa versa
Is there a part of Gor you try to have in your daily life on earth?

Ie some principal etc...what is it?

peanut~{Lita} 19:58:37 pm CST
WOW...INTERESTING QUESTIONS

maddie~anne{T§} 19:58:40 pm CST
~doing her best to stifle the bubbling giggle before pondering this question again~

Ramses 19:59:11 pm CST
hmmm, ALL very intriguing questions

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 19:59:12 pm CST
~smiles at the timing...just today she spoke twice of sometimes wishing she could live on Gor, have no
responsibility but to be totally obedient and exquisitely beautiful...let Master do all the deciding and
worrying

peanut~{Lita} 20:00:50 pm CST
looks to mistress...you dont have any responsibility?.

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:02:05 pm CST
her responsibilities on Gor are all part of being obedient. she knows her place, her job...

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:03:27 pm CST
I think Gor is a bit like different times in history.
Many people like the idea of living in say the 18th century, or medieval times with chivalrous knights, but
how well would a modern person handle no running toilets and day to day privations?
How would a modern person handle Gor?
Not well for some I feel.

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:03:40 pm CST
~smiling~ mistress snowrose, that would be a nirvana for some, but to live a life as you are describing
one's Master would have to be very rich. It is difficult to be exquisitely beautiful if one is drudging away
at housework .

Ramses 20:04:37 pm CST
I think that I would have to agree with you Keeper

maddie~anne{T§} 20:04:45 pm CST
~shifting on her heels as she gives careful consider to the questions~

SaBom 20:04:46 pm CST
~nods in agreement with Keeper

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:05:43 pm CST
true flicka, that's why she said sometimes...when r/t pressures seem overwhelming. but mainly when a
nasty bug is trying to get her.she is under the weather

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:06:28 pm CST
Would I like Gor?
Gor is a little bit like Antarctica .
A nice place to visit, but I would not want to live there!

Ramses 20:07:12 pm CST
most people who say they would love to live in medieval times do not think about the fact they would
have been serfs
living a terribly brutal life

peanut~{Lita} 20:07:23 pm CST
but responsibilities none the less...me on the other hand...while not of any important to the home....the
nuts drawn to the philosophical end of things...honor and respect, obedience .....something that doesnt
exist on earth.

and since the nut has lived in that era of outdoor toilets and such, would be easier for her

janet{GS~O~} 20:08:55 pm CST
My shift has ended, may this girl return from home?

SaBom 20:09:09 pm CST
honor and respect do exist on earth peanut...... You just have to look for it

maddie~anne{T§} 20:10:01 pm CST
in this girl's opinion, the grass is always greener...of course each of U/us would love to live in Gor, with
the most ideal parts being those that most define O/our definition of Gor...but yet, it is a far more harsh
place than even most of O/our grandparents could imagine..
.
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:10:07 pm CST
~nodding~

aye mistress, it is as my Jarl says, a nice place to visit.

Master Ramses, totally wrong You are. ~chuckling~ Didn't You know that EVERYONE who has ever
been regressed to recall previous lives has been Cleopatra or Marc Antony, or at the very least a Prince or
Princess. Noone has ever been regressed to a serf.

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:10:55 pm CST
Yes Ramses; Medieval lifespan of 40 for peasants means that 21st Century wins.

peanut~{Lita} 20:11:00 pm CST
perhaps Master Sabom, but this ones never seen it...and she's been alive for a good while now...would say
a good Master could show such, but again even in that lifestyle girls never seen it

Ramses 20:11:10 pm CST
*laughs*
;clearly that is scientifically correct, flicka

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:11:35 pm CST
Yes Janet

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:11:54 pm CST
that's too general a statement she thinks, peanut Honor and respect do exist in Earth.. we just mostly are
pummeled with the bad aspects constantly

SaBom 20:12:17 pm CST
how do you define honor and respect peanut?

Ramses 20:12:30 pm CST
agrees with Keeper

there are certain values and philosophies that I can apply in My earthly existence, though

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:12:51 pm CST
~whispers~ the bestest bits are the sex.

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:12:56 pm CST
Why do I choose Gor?
Honour, respect, structure. I like these things.

But; more importantly,

Gor is a place where I can let the My 'interesting' thoughts, needs and desires out of the box that 21st
century society demands that I keep them most of the time.

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:13:27 pm CST
~laughs at the truth of flicka's observation~

Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:13:43 pm CST
Those are questions for the young... knowledge of the realities of what has happened and what are
possible... neither are palatable... but I will take running water and what honour can be found or created

Ramses 20:14:05 pm CST
*sits back and lets Keeper explain*

Ramses 20:14:40 pm CST
well that too flicka

SaBom 20:14:47 pm CST

lol...get your freak on so to speak Keeper
Sorry - couldnt resist

janet{GS~O~} 20:15:13 pm CST
Thankyou master.

SaBom 20:16:39 pm CST

I am curious...do the slaves value the respect that seems to be important to the Masters

peanut~{Lita} 20:17:39 pm CST
honour to me is loyalty to ones home and those who serve Him
and respect is an outward show in doing just that. we all have relationships and for one to be more toward
the perfect side, there must be a level of respect...otherwise people are unhappy and wars no matter how
big or small arise..

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:17:41 pm CST
Masters SaBon and Bretval, flicka agrees that truth and honour can be found on earth in the most unlikely
of places and when least expected.

It can be a small thing, such as seeing a young man with pink spiky hair helping an old lady with a
walking frame onto a tram, as happened just the other day.

Or at the carpark of the supermarket a guy with a broken leg was struggling in a wheelchair to get up a
steep slope, one of the office workers, a woman, jumped in and helped him.

It reaffirms one's faith in human nature.

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:17:51 pm CST
~Laughing~
Oh yes, the sex!

~Smiling at SaBom~
I often wonder at the reaction of some of My fellow teachers if they knew what I like to do to flicka in
My spare time!

peanut~{Lita} 20:19:05 pm CST
thisn nut believs so Master Sabom

ruby~{Randolph} 20:20:37 pm CST
Master SaBom
yes very much so .. respect is earned

¡ flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:20:46 pm CST
This girl blames the newspapers and news reports, they seem to thrive on the feel bad stories, seldom do
they report on the honorourable, respectful things that are also part of our societies.

The goodness which is out here.

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:21:01 pm CST
she does value respect Master SaBom...she has greater respect for people who treat others with respect,
who don't look down on those who have less in life. Everyone has a place in society, however menial
their work...all are needed

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:21:28 pm CST
~a small hand lingering on her Jarl's thigh~

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:21:41 pm CST
I agree with SaBom, peanut and flicka.
Honour is about the worthiness of a person's actions and the respectability they should generate.
It is all about actions, deeds and thoughts of the individuals that make up a society.

SaBom 20:21:46 pm CST
Am of the belief that everyone has value in their role and if they try to fulfill that role they are worthy of
my respect....the sincerity of their effort is worthy of my respect

maddie~anne{T§} 20:21:47 pm CST
~turning aqua eyes to Master SaBom~ demanded and given, Master...

Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:22:24 pm CST
And what would your reaction would be if you discovered a few had the same playtimes?

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:23:46 pm CST
that's what she meant flicka...the media bombard us. she has to keep up to date, so can't just ignore it, but
wishes sometimes that she could

SaBom 20:24:06 pm CST
aye flicka... today's media is warping society to their view

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:24:13 pm CST
It would produce a huge grin Bretval, and an interesting conversation.
Although I doubt that conversation would take place in the staff room.

peanut~{Lita} 20:24:13 pm CST
genau...Master Sabom!

Lita, Physician 20:24:42 pm CST
Keeper, I just saw an article today about how you can rent glass domed houses i the Arctic so you can
sleep under the northern lights! *LOL*

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:25:20 pm CST
oh wow Mistress...that goes on her Bucket List

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:26:31 pm CST
~gentle smile and nod to mistress snowrose~

then do as flicka does, rest your head on your Master's shoulder, listen to His words of wisdom in
dissecting the horror stories, then subscribe to some good web based channels, people who are not driven
by greed or misplaced patriotism or fanatic religious fervour, and read of good actions and selfless deeds.

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:27:02 pm CST
~Chuckling~
I still don't want to live there Lita!

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror
The wide brown land for me!

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:27:09 pm CST
~nods to flicka~ good advice

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:28:28 pm CST
she is lobbying for the Snow Hotel in Sweden for her honeymoon, but is meeting with an odd resistance.

Ramses 20:29:39 pm CST
Keeper, I prefer green to brown
*laughs*

leatha {GS} 20:29:39 pm CST
is mistress engaged?

peanut~{Lita} 20:29:47 pm CST
uh ho...mistress....just keep working on him

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:29:55 pm CST
yes leatha

Lita, Physician 20:30:24 pm CST
*grins* Keeper, I believe they were rental cabins, and vacationers were doing this for the novelty of it.

Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:30:34 pm CST
Closest I got to the view Lita was in Edmonton from the 25th Floor apartment.... rare but more beautiful
for the rarity

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:30:41 pm CST
The real attraction of Gor to many people it would seem is its structure, honour, respectability and ethics.

The one thing we Gorean can not seem to agree on is how much structure... oops; let's not go there today!

leatha {GS} 20:30:43 pm CST
congratulations, mistress snowrose. leatha wishes you so much happiness

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:30:58 pm CST
mistress snowrose, there is much to be said for "love in a cold climate" ~chuckling~ here one gets all hot
and bothered and not in a sexy way.

Ramses 20:31:17 pm CST
*chuckles*

thank you Keeper

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:31:45 pm CST
We have green here Ramses, sometimes.

Ramses 20:33:44 pm CST
chuckles at the "sometimes"

SaBom 20:34:00 pm CST
~ nods at Keeper

ok, so do you all demand those traits in your R/L or do you come here to find what R/T is lacking

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:34:15 pm CST
for this one it is getting to explore, and be accepted for, a side of her nature that she didn't know was ok,
that worried her when she was young...Gor has been so good for her

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:34:27 pm CST
~snuggling her Jarl in agreement~

what flicka loves about Gor is that she feels safe here, unlike in say a BDsm room.

In Gor there are rules and the Masters follow those rules with honour.

In a capture/kill room a slave may be just that, captured or killed, but a Master would not do that in a
neutral room. Nor would a Master demand sexual service if a slave's restrictions precluded it. It gives a
girl a safety net, without having to resort to silly safe words and so on.

ruby~{Randolph} 20:34:44 pm CST
must have rain to have green

agrees Jarl Keeper
structure, honour, respectability and ethics, are the productive aspects of Gor..this one relishes

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:36:05 pm CST
The important thing about Gor is that it allows us to be what we are when sometimes society does not. It
does it in a way that slaves can be slaves and still feel comparatively protected from undesirable
outsiders. Masters are expected to act with some honour and restraint.

leatha {GS} 20:36:17 pm CST
aren't there rules in a BDSM room also, flicka

peanut~{Lita} 20:37:01 pm CST
this girl just came from a bad Master in RL, so yes she has needs that she no longer gets so she comes
here to be fed, as it were, her fix of M/s relati9onship

Lita, Physician 20:37:05 pm CST
Sa Bom, I think many of Us come here to find whbt R?T is lacking.

ruby~{Randolph} 20:37:52 pm CST
Master SaBom
with due respect
girl believes to some extent..we are all here for that very reason

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:38:16 pm CST
leatha, there may be, but the few that flicka has entered do not seem to have structure, and while yes a girl
can leave or demure, that would not be what flicka would wish to do, it would not be concomitant with
submission in flicka's eyes. Hense why she likes to be in GS.

Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:38:59 pm CST
There are, leatha... but many HNG's who do not care for the rules and ignore them

Lita, Physician 20:40:48 pm CST
I think another thing is that on Gor you can depend on some things. You can depend on Free Peopple to
act as Free, and to carry out the responsibilities of a Free Person, and the Free can depend on the slaves to
attend to their slave duties, and not have to worry about the Business of the Free.
Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:42:01 pm CST
The last part of the topic is interesting;

Are there things on Gor you wish were on earth? And visa versa
Is there a part of Gor you try to have in your daily life on earth?

The part of Gor in My life I try have is honour and respect, as stated earlier
.
As for; Are there things on Gor you wish were on earth?
If a person's personality is such that want and need to dominate others; or; their personality means they
need to be dominated and controlled, love and desired, why is that seen as an abnormality?
It is not a bad thing, just human nature.

ruby~{Randolph} 20:42:12 pm CST
the DM..at poolside..of late...has very very little respect and structure...it used to, however its been a very
long time..sighs audibly

SaBom 20:42:19 pm CST
so back to structure Lita

Lita, Physician 20:43:40 pm CST
Yes, Sa boom. Most of us function best with some sort of structure in our lives, and that is sometimes
hard to get.

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:44:15 pm CST
~nodding~ it seems to flicka that Dominance and submission are the last sexual taboo. People who do not
understand what it is, see it as abuse, either mental or physical or both. There is little appreciation of the
fullfillment it can give to both parties.

SaBom 20:44:17 pm CST
~knows how ....cranky... he gets when his routine is changed

SaBom 20:45:08 pm CST
agree with flicka

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:45:28 pm CST
she might wish there was less political correctness..and more uniform respect and honor

Kazar~infamous pirate 20:45:34 pm CST
flicka smiles exactly

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:45:45 pm CST
Getting back to the first part of the topic, yes Gor provides the structure that allows that to happen.

peanut~{Lita} 20:45:52 pm CST
nods with Jarl Keeper, peanut carries that sence of honour and respect at all times...and if she had a
Mastert, she'd beg for a shirt He'd worn for a week to snuggle with when she goes to sleep at night....what
she wished to have ultimately is a Master to care for her always...and i dont even cost 500 double
weighted gold tarns...this nuts cheep...but ya get your moneys worth!

Ramses 20:46:28 pm CST
*chuckles warmly at peanut

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:48:08 pm CST
~chuckling at nutty one~

you my dear friend could never be called not worth every gold tarn that was paid for you.

Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:48:12 pm CST
The problem is that in searching for proper relationships we have reduced ourselves to copy-cut outs and
no true thinking is required...

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:48:39 pm CST
~Laughing~
Oh, very much so, great value for money peanut!
I like a bargain, and I like your attitude.
~Smiles~

peanut~{Lita} 20:48:54 pm CST
smiles to flicka

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:49:43 pm CST
~smiles to peanut~

Kazar~infamous pirate 20:50:19 pm CST
peanut umm ok ho cheap giggles ~

ruby~{Randolph} 20:51:37 pm CST
Master Bretval
an insightful observation...one ruby agrees with

SaBom 20:51:51 pm CST
So Bretval... are you saying one is giving up a part of ones self by conforming to society's norm? Not
being true to ones self?

Kazar~infamous pirate 20:54:05 pm CST
Sa Bon ~` like the sing foes be true too ones self ~~ ~`how one says things are acts is the same as on r/t
~``` some of the R/P one cant do in r/t so one comes here let us some steam ~

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:54:27 pm CST
To My way of thinking, our current society is encouraging mediocrity and sameness rather than the
exception and the strange.

Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:55:29 pm CST
Not necessarily, SaBom.... there are those who are quite comfortable with the 'norm'.... they are just not
likely to be comfortable here with Us

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:56:03 pm CST
Master Bretval, flicka agrees with You, but sometimes conforming is the grease that allows the wheels of
society to turn. Just as the laws of the land allow us all to live in comparative safety. To use a crude
example. Imagine if flicka took delight in publicly torturing small animals, without laws and some
conformation to society's ethics flicka could do this with impunity, to the discomfort and abhorrence of
many people a girl hopes.

SaBom 20:56:12 pm CST
agree that we settle for mediocrity today

SaBom 20:58:07 pm CST
Bretval... being uncomfortable leads to intolerance and being judgemental

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 20:58:41 pm CST
The exceptional is both confronting and frightening to some.
Most people prefer to "Stay sane inside insanity." -Richard O'Brian
~Chuckling~

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 21:01:44 pm CST
I agree SaBom, to be slightly philosophical, I think Western society is uncomfortable with itself. The
evidence for that statement is Western society's reaction to those within or without the society that are
different.

peanut~{Lita} 21:03:00 pm CST
peanut must retire for the evening, Master Bretval

Master Sabom and Master Kazar....rest well when it finds You

Jarl Keeper...licks her lips...should she say more

Mistress...have fun

girls...love you all very much...nighters

Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 21:03:29 pm CST
SaBom.. there is no simple correct answer that is acceptable to everyone... the best you can hope for is
that you personally have a high tolerance for the unusual... and the laws match it

Lita, Physician 21:04:15 pm CST
But Bretval, in one way, part of our desire for structure is a desire not to have to think, but just do things
without having to think, sort of automatically.

Kazar~infamous pirate 21:04:54 pm CST
Bretval aye but rules where made to be broken then rewritten ~ civil disobedience ` helps changes ways

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:06:47 pm CST
~looks to Master Kazar~ That is profoundly said Master, one only has to look to India when Gandhi won
the fight against Britan for independence with pacific civil disobedience.

Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 21:07:37 pm CST
True Lita.... and the not thinking structure is different for everyone... and how quickly they can adapt to
the ubusual

SaBom 21:07:51 pm CST
I agree Bretval.... I guess the best you can do is be true to yourself.... and hopefully find like minded
people to surround yourself with

Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 21:09:02 pm CST
Exactly, SaBom

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 21:09:10 pm CST
True Laws are necessary for society to function.
There are laws and then there is bigotry, stupidity and small-mindedness.
These things flourish when people do not question the world around them.
We cannot make laws for the way people think.
In the words of Emperor Justinian - "A man cannot be punished for his thoughts."

Kazar~infamous pirate 21:09:42 pm CST
flicka yep and here Martin Luthor king jr did it also

ruby~{Randolph} 21:10:49 pm CST
aye Master SaBom..You have summed it up
take the higher ground..be true to oneself..well said

SaBom 21:10:59 pm CST
Lita... I think those who arent afraid to think are the leaders (and no I am not talking about government)in
our own small part of society

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 21:12:08 pm CST
~Smiling~
My favorite quote from Gandhi.
He was asked by a journalist;
"What do you think of Western Civilisation?"
His reply
"I think it would be a very good idea!"

snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:13:02 pm CST
~smiles to Jarl Keeper~ she had not heard that one

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:13:20 pm CST
~nodding to all~

that is all we can ask for, to be true to ourselves.

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 21:13:49 pm CST
Exactly flicka

Lita, Physician 21:14:46 pm CST
Agreed, Keepr! As a Society, I fear we are not Civilized anymore!

Kazar~infamous pirate 21:15:27 pm CST
what lies behind us and what lies ahead of us
are tiny matters to what lies within
us

henry daivid thoureau

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 21:17:05 pm CST
I think we are all agreed and people are leaving,
~Looking at the wall clock~
I must leave very soon as well.
If every one has said their piece I close in a few ehn.

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:17:17 pm CST
Note to self: Ask Jarl to download some of Thoreau's works.

SaBom 21:17:41 pm CST
I think too many of us are weak now.... and are used and manipulated by those who have no honor and
integrity

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:18:04 pm CST
flicka is done Jarl, and thank You for leading a great forum. Ahem not that flicka is biased in any at all.

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 21:18:31 pm CST
I like Thoreau he was full of profundities.

ruby~{Randolph} 21:19:13 pm CST
Jarl Keeper ..thank You kindly for leading

and Your pretty flicka for scribing

Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 21:19:37 pm CST
A very interesting forum, Keeper

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:19:40 pm CST
Jarl why does profundity sound like a rude word?

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 21:24:38 pm CST
I shall whisper some Kant and Descartes, followed by some John Stuart Mills or a bit of Voltaire.

I fur therefore I am.

flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:25:24 pm CST
fare well Mistress Lita a great topic thank you.

Jarl Keeper ~ Advisor ~ Scholar 21:28:01 pm CST
~I pick up the wriggling slave and toss her over My shoulder.~

Humming to Myself
"Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table. ..

David Hume could out-consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel.
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.
There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach 'ya 'bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed....