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tersa{REG} 19:22:38 pm CDT
*smiles to the slave mistress~ Greetings, mistress snow. would you like a girl to scribe for you this evening?
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 19:24:22 pm CDT
no thank you tersa...she will be here for the whole forum, the PKs willin' and the creek don't rise
Lita, Physician 19:24:52 pm CDT
tersa, snow is not the Slave Mistress, she is the First Girl, and is addressed as mistress.
Dak 19:28:09 pm CDT
if any have a topic, whisper to Me and I will open the forum
Lita, Physician 19:33:06 pm CDT
*smiles* Well, tersa. technically, "Slave Mistress would be a title for a Free Woman Who was in charge of slaves and their training, should the particular House have One. Just as Slave Master is the title for whichever Free Man is placed in that position.
Dak 19:34:15 pm CDT
I have a topic, so will open the forum same rules, keep chit chat and greetings to whispers, ,
Today's Topic
Assassins In Role-play
hulya{GS} 19:37:21 pm CDT
Well Master, girl's first home actually had a member of the black caste pledged to it, made interacting with Him very.... scary yet interesting
Ramses 19:38:34 pm CDT
I think we have members of the black caste in GS before
Dak 19:39:24 pm CDT
Rollo's Son was an Assassin
Ramses 19:39:58 pm CDT
as hulya said, it made RP intersting
Dak 19:40:01 pm CDT
I think one stopped in last year, once
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 19:40:04 pm CDT
snowrose finds Assassins rather fascinating...A couple have visited from time to time...she has served,,,ond once on Game Night she won a wish, and wished to touch the Assassin..and she was allowed to explore in a semi non sexual way..very exciting
tersa{REG} 19:41:25 pm CDT
*nods to snow~ they are quite fascinating.. though, a few of them have different requirements for a girl serving them.. such as using their own cups or dishes.
natira{GS} 19:41:27 pm CDT
Assassins are quite firghtening when the role is played properly. the first time she met an assassin in a home in rp she nearly wet herself in fright ~laughs at the memory. she served him wrong and he took her up shook the daylights out of her and made her never ever want to serve him again lol
Dak 19:42:28 pm CDT
whenan Assassin show's up you arealways curious if He has taken fee
hulya{GS} 19:42:45 pm CDT
He definately scared hulya a lot, until she got used to being around Him
Lita, Physician 19:44:48 pm CDT
It's kind of difficult for an Assassin to role-play. By the books, Assassins had no Home Stone, no family, owned no slaves or property, as those made them vulnerable. Their loyalties lay only to gold and steel Their Guild, in other words. Their final assignment in training was to kill their best friend. After that, They dared no develop affection for anyone, lest it make Them weak. Makes it hard as most Homes on-line wish Them to pledge to the Home.
hulya{GS} 19:45:02 pm CDT
Thankfully hulya never had to serve Him, it was always the first, second or third girls that served
Ramses 19:46:30 pm CDT
agrees with Lita
natira{GS} 19:47:31 pm CDT
lol hulya, natira was told she was darn lucky not to loose her life for serving incorrectly lol she can't even remember what she did wrong
Lita, Physician 19:47:50 pm CDT
natira, slaves need not fear too much serving an Assassin. They kill ONLY for gold, and They do NOT take coin for Women or slaves. It would be beneath them and a violation of Their codes. they can, however, punish severely a slave who displeases Them.
natira{GS} 19:49:12 pm CDT
she had been misinformed at the time Mistress Lita, she had still been learning then
hulya{GS} 19:49:54 pm CDT
He did however scare girl in other ways, specially when He called her over to Him
Lita, Physician 19:50:28 pm CDT
understood, and yes, a certain amount of fear in serving Any Free is always wise for a slave.
Arandol 19:52:18 pm CDT
How is one to know though, if the Assassin has been paid for their demise? Which, of course, makes any interaction with them iffy. At least, in My opinion...
Lita, Physician 19:52:31 pm CDT
And yes, Dak, One always has to wonder on seeing One of the Black, which of One's enemies might have accumulated sufficient coin to hire Him
Lita, Physician 19:53:38 pm CDT
That is the point, Arandol. Even should the Assassin be wearing the Mark, it does not say for Whom the Mark is intended. So it is wise for Any Free to be cautious around an Assasin.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 19:54:55 pm CDT
does an Assassin accept a contract on a Free Woman...or only men?
Dak 19:55:04 pm CDT
aye, there is always that,Lady , *smiles*
Lita, Physician 19:56:31 pm CDT
Only Men, snowrose. Taking coin on Women or slaves is beneath Them, and a violation fo Their codes.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 19:57:24 pm CDT
she rather thought that might be so Mistress
Bretval, Merchant 20:03:20 pm CDT
If an Assassin wishes to kill someone in Gorean Shores, they must abide by the Battle Rules.
If the intended Mark is a Council member (Captains and Advisors), GS tavern slave, or personal slave of a Council member, the Assassin cannot take the assignment.
If the intended Mark is a Pledged Patron, or the slave of a Pledged Patron, the Assassin must have Council approval. Council approval will be based on whether the Client requesting the kill is a known Gorean or not. Assignments from known Goreans will be accepted, but assignments from unknown people against a Gorean Shores Pledged Patron or slave owned by a Gorean Shores Pledged Patron will not be accepted.
Lita, Physician 20:05:15 pm CDT
Here is one of My favorite quotes on Assassins, snow:
"The men in the black tunics who had remained overnight in the quarters of the pit master, including their leader and his lieutenant, seemed to me strange fellows. They were much unlike many, if not most, of the men of this world. They did not laugh, they did not joke, they did not tell stories. They were silent, frightening, terrible men. I do not think they had Home Stones. If they had some loyalty, and I do not doubt they did, I think it was rather to some bloody oath, or dark covenant, or even to a leader. They attended to their equipment, they sharpened their swords. They drank only water. They ate sparingly. The hospitality of the pit master, offering us to them, was declined. Even the women
chained at the wall were not touched."
(Witness of Gor, p.550)
Bretval, Merchant 20:05:17 pm CDT
In short don't piss off your friends and neighbours
Lita, Physician 20:06:54 pm CDT
Exactly, Bretval
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:08:00 pm CDT
That's good advice, Bretval, it doesn't matter what planet you're on.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:09:54 pm CDT
the One snow touched was a little earthier than that Mistress...He was not same when she stopped as He had been when she started
Dak 20:10:44 pm CDT
*grins*, at snow's words
Lita, Physician 20:11:17 pm CDT
So how do You think it would affect Our role-play here should an Assassin show up here, wearing a Mark?
Lita, Physician 20:11:56 pm CDT
*laughs* No doubt, snow.
Bretval, Merchant 20:14:22 pm CDT
I would watch Him... knives loose in the sheaths
Bretval, Merchant 20:15:55 pm CDT
and watch to see if he was right or left handed...
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:16:18 pm CDT
Do assassins use poison?
If so flicka can test and taste all My mead for a while!
natira{GS} 20:17:34 pm CDT
eyes widen not sure if that would be poor flicka or lucky flicka to get to taste the yummy food
Bretval, Merchant 20:17:38 pm CDT
No.. poison is not honourable in a fight
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:17:51 pm CDT
surely They would consider poison beneath Them...anyone can use poison
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:19:06 pm CDT
Poison is for cowards - or women
flicka, slave of Keeper. 20:20:16 pm CDT
hmm Lucrezia Borgia did alright with poison.
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:20:17 pm CDT
Oh well you're safe flicka, for now!
Bretval, Merchant 20:20:38 pm CDT
guess you don't get extrqa rations flicka
flicka, slave of Keeper. 20:22:00 pm CDT
oh well slave gruel can be wonderful if one has imagination. not.
Lita, Physician 20:22:11 pm CDT
No, Keeper, They do not. It also is beneath Their dignity and against Their Codes. ON Gor, poison is considered to be a Woman's weapon, since they couldn't use other weapons.
Lita, Physician 20:22:57 pm CDT
Free Women often wore poison pins in Their veils to prevent being face-stripped.
Lita, Physician 20:24:14 pm CDT
Would You accept the role-play if You found out Your character waws the Assassin's target? And what would You do?
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:25:33 pm CDT
Lita, as a FW i wouldnŽt rely on that
Gorean MAsters know how to avoid being itched by poisoned needles when face stripping and undressing a Free Woman
*looks at My dagger and nods, it is nicely sharp*
~big grin~
Dak 20:26:10 pm CDT
*smiles*, I think diappearing would be in order, *laughing*
natira{GS} 20:26:38 pm CDT
laughs softly hearing Jarl Thorrn
Bretval, Merchant 20:27:18 pm CDT
Fight... only honourable thing to do... and then (if survived) take out the Client
Lita, Physician 20:28:59 pm CDT
But Bretval. How would You find out Who the Client was? Assassins do not tell. And the only way You would survive is if You killed the Assassin, in which case He wouldn't be ABLE to tell You Who the Client was?
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:29:23 pm CDT
It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:29:28 pm CDT
If that rp was for one evening it could be interesting
If it was a pinciple outline for OneŽs existence in Port Kar iŽd wonder who paid a price to have Me killed ... and try to be quicker with killing that Assassin ... but whoŽd know if that would work well.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:29:50 pm CDT
do They keep the Client secret to the death
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:30:47 pm CDT
guess You could know Who hates You..or would profit from Your death
Bretval, Merchant 20:30:58 pm CDT
*g* the Council knows... they have to approve it...
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:31:50 pm CDT
The death of whom, My snowrose?
The death of the victim or that of the assassin, if the victim is quicker in fighting Him, like good ole T.C. usually is.
In both cases there is no way of telling because one of them is dead *l*
Lita, Physician 20:32:13 pm CDT
Well, Jarl, You could try. However, You would not necessarily know just WHERE thes pins were located. Not to mention the fact that I, as a Physician, have scalpels, needles, and other nasty objects secreted about Me. Also, a grateful patient gave Me a brace of quivas, which I wear strapped to My wrists. So, You MIGHT manage to face-strip Me, it would be an exciting and dangerous exercise.
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:34:04 pm CDT
Dear Lady Lita, there are some scenes in the bookd where FW get facestripped and totally undressed ... if neccessary by just cutting there robes and veils from them *grin*
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:34:30 pm CDT
the victim Master..He might know who would be likely to want Him dead.
but she doesn't think it's good for the home to allow it..to possibly have a Master killed...not online.
hulya{GS} 20:34:44 pm CDT
Well Jarl Thorrn, You don't have to actually kill the assasin do You? Couldn't You just fight Him long enough to knock the assasin unconscious, then tie Him up and question about the client?
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:38:18 pm CDT
huyla, better to kill that assassin because if You let Him go he will have to attempt again to kill YOu because He took money to do so.
An honorable Assassin will not tell who paid that money, no matter how much He gets tortured.
Lita, Physician 20:38:38 pm CDT
hulya, Assassins ALWAYS battle to the death. In order to survive, the victim must KILL the Assassin. Because even if One succeeded in tying up the Assassin, the moment He regained conciousness He would be trying to escape and complete His mission, and regardless what torture You might put Him to, He would not name His client. Again, Caste Rules
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:39:31 pm CDT
smiles at LAdy Lita as We post nearly the same words
*winks to the FW*
hulya{GS} 20:40:27 pm CDT
Oh, well who said anything about letting the assassin go and girl didn't know the second part
Lita, Physician 20:40:58 pm CDT
Great Minds think alike, yes Jarl? *wicked grin*
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:41:24 pm CDT
They must be disturbed men...what's good about such a life..the money means nothing, They live like Spartans
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:42:38 pm CDT
What to do with the Assasin after you tied Him, hulya?
MAy be sell Him into slavery far away would be a solution but then the designated victim will always have to watch if that Assassin didnŽt manage to escape and come back on Him.
hulya{GS} 20:43:48 pm CDT
Well Jarl, girl was thinking of torturing Him, but that apparently wouldn't work, and once the information is collected then kill the assasin
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:43:59 pm CDT
They do, Lita
*W*
That is what i thought too when i read about Assasins in detail, snowrose.
I wondered what is there joy in life???????
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:44:45 pm CDT
snow wasn't thinking about the Assassin hulya..His death would not affect the home...but to risk the loss of a pledged Member online to such roleplay makes no sense
hulya{GS} 20:45:13 pm CDT
girl agrees mistress
natira{GS} 20:45:31 pm CDT
or if the client finds out the mark is still alive then sends another assassin to take out the mark
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:46:23 pm CDT
That is a thought, hulya but a real Assassin will not tell ... may that is there pleasure in Their life? To be strong, unbreakable and not bribable?
Lita, Physician 20:47:16 pm CDT
well, snow, there are Men Who have no other talent, but ARE talented ion that way. here are some quotes on Their choice and training:
Bretval, Merchant 20:47:32 pm CDT
exactly snow... would the Council risk a Pledged member? mIf so I will go play elsewhere
hulya{GS} 20:47:38 pm CDT
Would the black caste send another of their own to take out someone that has already proven to be able to kill an assasin?
Lita, Physician 20:48:54 pm CDT
How does one become an Assassin? The Assassin Caste is one of the few Gorean Castes where you must actively join it to become a member. It is not a Caste that you are born into. This is similar to the Caste of Initiates and the Caste of Players. The Assassin Caste is very selective in their acceptance of candidates for their training. They seek certain qualities that have proven over time to lead to proficient and effective Assassins. Some of these qualities may include quickness, cunning, strength and skill. Such individuals may also possess a couple traits others might consider negative, a bit of selfishness and greed.
"The training of the assassin is thorough and cruel. He who wears the black of the caste has not won it easily." (Beasts of Gor, p.358)
The exact details of the training procedures of the Assassin Caste are shrouded in mystery though a few matters are known, rumored or suspected. It is believed that only about 10% of all trainees will eventually become actual members of the Caste. It is presumed that the other 90% either die during the training process or are slain as failures, their deaths serving to protect the secrets of the Caste. The Caste certainly would not want a disgruntled failure to be set free to share the secret knowledge they have acquired. The survivors though would tend to be a close-knit community, a killing elite. Based on these percentages, the Assassins are likely not a highly populous Caste though actual numbers for the Caste are never given in the books. In addition, the amount of need for their services is never clearly defined in the books so we cannot know how many Assassins could be supported by Gorean society.
At the commencement of their training, each trainee for the Caste is assigned another trainee as a training partner. These pairs will remain together for the length of the training period and a close friendship between these partners is actively encouraged. Each pair will be often be pitted against other pairs during the training process so it is very important that each pair can work well together. Dissension between partners would negatively impact in the competition against other teams. It thus becomes natural that the men in such pairs will grow close.
But, often unknown to these trainees, the partnership will eventually end, in a lethal way. The final test for each pair involves the two partners trying to kill each other. It is unknown exactly where this test occurs, whether inside or outside. But it does involve hunting down the other partner so it is more than a simple face-to-face duel. The survivor of this final test, if there is one, will then become an Assassin. Though this may seem counterproductive, eliminating potential members, the Black Caste has a definite rationale for this final test, reasons why prospective members must slay what becomes their best friend.
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:49:02 pm CDT
Just thinking, may be the pleasures of an Assassin are of a similar kind like those of monks and nuns, be totalyl dedicated to a mission no matter how much sense that mission makes.
Lita, Physician 20:49:40 pm CDT
First, it is intended to make their members understand fully what it means to be an Assassin, what is necessary to excel and what sacrifices must be made. Second, the Caste wants to make its members emotionally cold, for an Assassin to place their Caste above all other relationships. Ultimate loyalty must be to the Caste, and no type of personal relationship can interfere. Third, it is to eliminate any traces of mercy within its members. An Assassin is not supposed to feel bad for his victims as that would be a weakness that could be exploited. This final cruel test obviously will drastically change a man. "One is then alone, with gold and steel." (Beasts of Gor, p.358)
Assassins must possess loyalty only to their Caste. The Caste will not permit any conflicting loyalties. To that end, Assassins do not have Home Stones, as that would constitute a potentially conflicting loyalty. An Assassin might hesitate or be unwilling to kill someone from their own Home Stone. So, upon entering the Caste, you must surrender your loyalty to any prior Home Stone. Assassins generally are cold individuals and unlikely to form bonds of love. "It is seldom," he said, "that those of the black caste laugh." (Assassin of Gor, p.267) It is very unlikely that they would join in Free Companionship as such might also create a conflict of loyalty. It would also create a potential weakness, one that could be exploited by an Assassin's enemies. To an Assassin, most people outside the Caste are employers, targets, tools or fools.
Quotes For This Week
"He seemed slow. But I knew he did not come to his somber garb by any tardiness of action
or hesitancy in deed. The training of the assassin is thorough and cruel. He who wears
the black of that caste has not won it easily. Candidates for the caste are chosen with
great care, and only one in ten, it is said, completes the course of instruction to the
satisfaction of the caste masters. It is assumed that failed candidates are slain, if not
in the training, for secrets they may have learned. Withdrawal from the caste is not
permitted. Training proceeds in pairs, each pair against others. Friendship is
encouraged. Then, in the final training, each member of the pair must hunt the other.
When one has killed one's friend one is then likely to better understand the meaning of
the black. When one has killed one's friend one is then unlikely to find mercy in his
heart for another. One is then alone, with gold and steel.
I looked at Drusus.
The assassins take in lads who are perhaps characterized by little but unusual swiftness,
and cunning, and strength and skill, and perhaps a selfishness and greed, and, in time,
transform this raw material into efficient, proud, merciless men, practitioners of a dark
trade, men loyal to secret codes the content of which is something at which most men dare
not guess.
Drusus was looking at me.
I kept in mind he had survived the training of the assassin.
Beasts of Gor, Page 358
"Little love is lost betwixt the castes of warriors and assassins. Each deems himself the
superior of, and the natural foe, of the other. The sword of the warrior, commonly, is
pledged to a Home Stone, that of the assassin to gold and the knife.
Beasts of Gor, Page 136
Since the siege of Ar, when Pa-Kur, Master Assassin, had violated the limits of his caste
and had presumed, in contradiction to the traditions of Gor, to lead a horde upon the
city, intending to make himself Ubar, the Caste of Assassins had lived as hated, hunted
men, no longer esteemed mercenaries whose services were sought by cities, and, as often
by factions within cities. Now many assassins roamed Gor, fearing to wear the somber
black tunic of their caste, disguised as members of other castes, not infrequently as
warriors.
Outlaw of Gor, Page 72
Questions
Would the presence of Assassins at GS enhance your role play and how?
Should there be a universal set of rules for how assassins should be handled?
Would you accept the play if your character was an assassin's mark?
Have a favourite quote about the Black Caste to share?
hulya{GS} 20:50:00 pm CDT
Understandable Jarl
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:52:38 pm CDT
it must be the act of killing itself that is the appeal...like the war lovers who join the military to relieve their need
Lita, Physician 20:53:06 pm CDT
yes, hulya, They would send out Others,and Their "hunt" would be even more fierce
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 20:53:14 pm CDT
Bretval
Something like the Council sending a Assassin to a pledged Member never happened in all the time i have been in GS
I watched 2 or 3 slaves being killed for absolute insolence and one FW got killed, but that was done by her own wish tzo make it impossible for her to return to GS.
hulya{GS} 20:54:06 pm CDT
Yes Mistress, girl was curious
Lita, Physician 20:57:06 pm CDT
You know, it is not counter to the ?Books for usn to have Council approval be necessary for an Assassin to hunt here. I found this quote in Ubar Luther's scrolls:
Witness of Gor made it clear that Assassins do not have free reign in a city that they visit. The Assassins who entered Treve needed specific authorization from the administration of the city to conduct certain activities. For example, they received specific authorization to bear weapons in the city, to enter the pits below Treve and to take possession of the prisoner Marlenus. They certainly did not enter Treve on their own, doing whatever they chose. They required specific authorization. And when they encountered opposition, they did threaten to complain to the administration.
Bretval, Merchant 20:57:52 pm CDT
but they have to approve it if a Pledged member takes out a contract on another Pleded member... that is prettymuch the only way it would be allowed for the killing to stand...
Dak 20:59:10 pm CDT
well, has this topic been discussed enough , it is 9Pm
Lita, Physician 21:00:13 pm CDT
Yes, Bretval, and that is very much in line with what I just posted, which kind of surprised Me. *grin*
Bretval, Merchant 21:00:50 pm CDT
so if I survived I would go after the Council to find out who arranged the hit
Lita, Physician 21:00:57 pm CDT
Fine with Me, Dak
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 21:01:24 pm CDT
As i posted, i never saw this happen in here, Bretval.
And i admit i have no idea if the Council would have to approve such a contract or could just refuse to agree to that prospected killing.
I think in a case of such hostility between two pledged Members they would suggest a duell on death being done by the two Men. That can b edone in here if both agree and the one who loses gets killed in His online existence. Such things happened already, at least in other Gorean sites as i know.
Bretval, Merchant 21:02:57 pm CDT
That is the honourable way, Thorrn.. why bring in an Assassin
Dak 21:03:00 pm CDT
ok, if there is no more to discuss, I will call the forum closed for this night, I thank all for coming and joining in the discussion,
thanks snowrose for scribing
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:03:26 pm CDT
Thank You for leading the discussion Master Dak ..~blows Him a kiss~
Lita, Physician 21:03:52 pm CDT
Bretval, I doubt if the Council would tell You either. The Caste of Assassins was a respected Caste, even though not a High Caste.
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 21:08:25 pm CDT
One addition to that duelling on death and life.
Some years ago there was a some kind foolish MAster in here who challanged a Captain for such a duel about a silly thing.
The Captain refuses that duel about a crappy thing, such duels are taken seriously in here and there must be a serious reason to do it not just a childish attitude of an immature Master.
Nobody doubted that the Captain, an experienced warrior, would have won that duel.
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:09:53 pm CDT
Jarl Thorn maybe at one the festival can do a exibition of dueling
karinda {GS} 21:10:13 pm CDT
girl might have been told that story before Jarl Thorrn. if it is the one she heard.....she would agree with Jarl.
Jarl Thorrn enjoys roses 21:11:23 pm CDT
Kazar
That was planned already for the last two festivals but it never happened *shrugs*
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:12:10 pm CDT
but tomorrow is the archery games...that should be exciting
