The best way to describe Intrasound is to say it’s been part of my life for most of my life. As a child I was witness to many occurrences that seemed like miracles to me. When in high school I was introduced to the Tao by Lao-Tzu. I took the description of Chi that I read, to be an actual description of the transmission of spirit from a higher realm to the material realm. I started out with a belief system that made it possible for great spiritual discoveries to be uncovered if a person had the time and perseverance to pursue them.

Q: When did you begin to have a stronger feeling about bringing Chi, or energy, into the material realm?

Victor: It was in 1956. I came across an important book in my life that taught me a system of breathing exercises and spiritual philosophy. During the period that I did these exercises for six hours a day for six months, it became clear to me that miraculous things could happen if one were to pursue an extraordinary lifestyle. It was during this period I experienced a dream teacher and lucid dreaming.

Q: What did you learn during the 50’s; during the time we understand you had experiences as a hands on healer?

Victor: I learned from my teachings in the book that a person could become a reservoir of spiritual energy and share the surplus as a hands on healer. To me, this is not at great variance from the principal of Christian healers or teachings.

Q: What steps did you take in transferring the energy from yourself into another form?

Victor: That took decades and I believe I was greatly assisted by my belief that it might be possible. My research took the form of a leisurely collection of data – as a student under the GI Bill from the Korean War. I read many ancient texts at the University of
Minnesota, the University of California Library at Berkeley, Oakland Library -- to name a few. It was a pursuit, almost like a hobby.

Q: I gather you felt your work offered you clues that led you to believe you could bring this energy into the material realm. That, even though not a classically trained scientist or physicist, your having the belief in the possible existence of another reality available to everybody, kept you on the path of your research.
What are your feelings about that from your perspective?

Victor: Some of the hardest work we’re involved in is coming up with a so-called technological explanation of what we do. I’ve delved into quantum physics and scientific philosophy to look for clues where the teachings of Nels Bor and Einstein coincide with spiritual teachings.

Q: Tell us about your encounters with another scientist, Dr. Rupert Sheldrake. Didn’t you meet with him in the 80’s?

Victor: Yes, on two different occasions.

Q: What effect did that have on your search?

Victor: Rupert Sheldrake’s work speaks of energy fields that are everywhere and affect the organization of matter and the behavior of beings. He was one of the pioneers of the thought that there is a holistic aspect of creation that determines the form of all matter – from rocks and crystals to plants, animals – and behavior of all life.
Rupert says behavior and instinct is a program that can be accessed once it is established.

Q: How does that relate to Intrasound?

Victor: I need to say it exists, as Intrasound is an organized field of energy. I consider it to be spiritual energy. I think of it as Chi because it is so organized and it’s absolutely imperative that everything it touches becomes organized and nothing can disorganize it. That corresponds to David Bohm, the English physicist’s idea of an implicit reality that structures material reality on a dimension of nonspace/nontime. Rupert’s work made me see that it’s possible for a subtle energy field to be an operative factor in human behavior and in human existence, relating to the state of their bodies and minds.

Q: When was it you discovered what you’ve been seeking, you know, the means to access this Chi, spiritual energy or frequency signal?

Victor: In 1990.

Q: How did you come about the discovery?

Victor: By accident; by trying to create organizers or condensers of the implicit reality forces which are absolutely symmetrical in energy structure. Let me explain, if you have the right components and they are assembled in the right way, you can pick up a television or radio signal. If you don’t know what the components are or how they are arranged, you’ll never receive a coherent signal or program even though the intangible signals are all around you.

Q: That came as intuition or revelation?

Victor: Dreams and intuition – and the belief that I was somehow destined to be a creator of Intrasound. When we became concerned about a possible placebo effect, we began, in 1990, working on animals first; they have no attitude whether they should believe it or not. They responded magnificently! Benefits from Intrasound were not a function of belief. It was a function of an artifact that perpetually carried this signal – not my signal – the signal of the universe. It was the signal of order that communicated order to this material dimension of reality.

Q: Can you tell me a little about the mechanics of producing Intrasound products?

Victor: The best way to answer that is to tell you it’s an enormous processor, like a super-conductor that influences everything around it permanently. It permanently, continuously microprocesses a very fundamental ordering energy field signal from nature. A signal that I believe originates on another dimension of nonspace/nontime.

Q: Part of the life force?

Victor: I guess it is the life force. I think it is what this reality is constructed of. This material reality is merely a reflection of the intrinsic reality.

Q: You’re saying the visible is more or less governed by the invisible world?

Victor: Yes. Not just my assertion, but also, those of a great many quantum physicists who can point to recent experimental proof that time and space are very subjective.

Q: How did you feel in 1990, when you knew, that after thirty years, you had put a piece of the puzzle together?

Victor: Exhilarated! Linda and I built a device on our dining room table. It was amazing to see it work. It was a miracle.

Q: What happened next? What were the materials you used in the first modalities?

Victor: Linda was the first human being we experimented on. She was very ill for six years with Epstein-Barr Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and was bed-ridden two or three days a week. We thought this would be a supreme medical challenge. At least she wasn’t going to sue me! She responded very quickly. You asked what materials were used. The first modalities were copper strips. We learned at that time that metal has such an organized structure of lattices on an atomic level that it seems to receive and continuously semi-conduct a very organized signal of wave forms, like a super-conductor. That’s one of the reasons we used the gel based on the ordinary gel used on EKG conductive material. Also we chose the FDA rated ingestible clay because it has a molecular structure that works very much like a computer chip. It microprocesses the Intrasound signal.

Q: So you basically stumbled onto this signal that you had been searching for and you tried, with great results, some modalities with Linda and she responded. And you told us, you then began working with racehorses in Southern California and got amazing results with seriously injured horses that don’t usually respond to treatment.

So, what you began to see with the animals and with Linda was some sort of reordering of the body with this signal coming into the body’s field of energy?

Victor: A burn or a cut or a disease is not really the trauma we think it is. I believe it is mutagenic disordering of the body’s energy symmetry program. I think that’s why we often see events like burns respond almost instantaneously.

Q: So, we have the signal that has been resonated into the clay and gel and either one or both of these come into a person’s field of energy for the first time. That person’s field of energy, according to what I’ve heard you express many times, is subjected to physiological insults on a daily basis in our so-called work-a-day world. The majority of people, always existing in some level of disorder, find that when the signal is introduced into their field of energy, it has immediate influence, on what David Bohm might call their etheric body, and then their physical body follows suit.

Victor: I believe that is always true.

Q: Then, you are saying, their physical body, based on the intrinsic reality of their own blueprint, which is where their DNA comes from, follows suit as that new order is filtered through their system?

Victor: Correct.

Q: Can you share with us what was going on between 1991 and 1997? We’ve often been asked why the products weren’t commercially available?

Victor: The big problem was that we could only produce a small amount of material at a time. We had low-powered processors which produced excellent products, but only in small quantities at a time. It took that much time to develop a technical process where we could have unprogrammed gel and clay in a warehouse in the radiant field of these processors for a certain length of time, and have the unprogrammed gel and clay become one with the processor’s etheric signal. We had to have a means to program big stacks of cardboard boxes full of gel and powder in jars.

Q: Mass production?

Victor: Well, yes for mass production. But what I had in mind at the time was the ability to supply large populations, because my theory was that if people’s behavior was not perfect, as we all wish it to be, then if more and more people were influenced with this spirit, they would relate better to each other. And maybe, we could have a better world.

Q: So, from your view, what is your intention? What is your mission or purpose?

Victor: To go wherever it leads me; that will always be my mission. I’ve never had an agenda. I have always followed the impulses and intuitions of my heart.

Q: Not for yourself, but for Intrasound, for this energy, for this gift of spirit?

Victor: I believe that any further developments will reveal themselves. I have perfect trust that it will come out of something that at present is beyond knowing. It will manifest itself; that is the way it has been from the very beginning. I believe that, perhaps, it’s possible for Intrasound to influence people to live more fulfilling lives. It would probably be useful for people to experience more of themselves and experience more of their potentialities and capabilities, and, therefore, live more in accordance with universal order. Intrasound is capable, if a person is willing to interact with it, of helping one become more focused on his own development potential.

Q: Well, it does seem to afford people an opportunity of walking through a doorway that perhaps they hadn’t the energy to walk through before. But, not everyone wants to walk through that doorway.

Victor: I think you could say it another way, for a lot of people disease and disorder are great teachers. Perhaps, I should have answered you differently when you asked what the real purpose of Intrasound was. I think the real purpose of Intrasound is to help humanity move into the next millennium, stop repeating the mistakes of the past and achieve a state of being where a better reality crystallizes around them, each and every one of them, that’s in accordance with their energy state of being. Whatever emotional state of being people express seems to call for certain events, fortune or misfortune, into their lives that’s in tune with that state. I believe modalities like Intrasound, which can, for some and maybe many people, enhance and amplify their state of being in terms of universal order, perhaps their lives, will automatically become more divine.

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