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Now What?

Now that a two-thirds majority of ELCA convention delegates have decided to allow practicing homogay clergy to be ELCA-rostered and continue on ministering in ELCA churches here and there nationwide, and have given their approval to same-gender sodomy-union blessings, what is going to happen next?

Some of the two-thirds who voted for the pro-homosexual Human Sexuality statements of the ELCA at the ELCA Convention in Minneapolis in August of 2009 will take an activist role in attempting to welcome and integrate both impenitent and potentially-impenitent homoqueers into ELCA congregations, activities, and education.....while others will take a more complacent attitude of "Don't-Ask, Don't-Tell" with a withdrawn let-it-be-and-don't-rock-the-boat ambivalence.

Lutheran conventionists have been toying and tinkering around with the homoclergy issue for years, but now it is becoming apparent that those who pushed for and promoted, or at least allowed, the two pro-homosexual ELCA Convention Statements did not anticipate the intolerant, robust, and vigorous furor such was going to cause. They were counting on a more congenial and compliant (though not "forgiven" for implied sinfulness) response from die-hard Lutheran Christian moralists. And they are still hoping that the disturbance will simply quiet down and moderate over time, like blazing but then smoldering embers cooling off after a raging fire.

Without a continuous declaration of anti-homogay and anti-homosodomite Scripture verses to and among Lutheran church members, plus a constant reminder of the contents of the pro-homosexuality statements of the ELCA Convention [not for perverse defilement nor for imposition of a peculiar and blasphemous type of inclusive-diversity "edification" and "sanctification" but instead for needed exposure and righteous reaction against the bad guys and bad gals responsible for the dissention], the whole rukus would and will die out.

The heretics hope that - after upcoming conferences and reactionary threats of condemnation, resistance, and divestment from such groups as Word Alone, Core, and others - Lutherans and the reporting media will get sick of the subject and simply not want to discuss or talk about it anymore. They hope that no more mention of it will be made at the pulpits nor at elders or trustees or deacons or board meetings....but that people so fed up and disgusted with the entire subject will refrain from talking about it anymore and rather let it rest.

One Word Alone objectionist put it this way (and I quote):

"The arguments supporting the decisions of the ELCA churchwide assembly were sophisticated, subtle, and often appealing. The argements being made now by ELCA leaders to assure its members that nothing significant has changed are too. To understand those argements and be able to counter them in an effective and appealing way is challenging, but vitally important. In particular, it is important to highlight the deep theological implications of the assembly decisions.....

In this crisis, it is easy to think that everyone sees what a problem this is or that you are the only person in your church who sees the problem. Neither is probably the case. It is amazing even now how many ELCA members are unaware of what has happened, aware but do not fully understand it or are deeply upset but feel isolated.....

If your pastors agree with the assembly decisions or try to dismiss them and their implications as being of little importance....the pastors must be reminded of a third option that many members will take: leaving by the back door and moving silently to another church." (unquote)

Other options of retaliation and reconfiguration are to:

(1) Tell a pro-homo pastor to seek another call.
(2) Redirect benevolence to outside Lutheran and Christian organizations and groups with tithing and offering-plate monies.
(3) Vote out pro-homo ELCA leaders and bishops and pastors and vote in anti-homo ones.
(4) Have the church congregation sever property-ownership ties with the ELCA and re-emerge as an independent Lutheran body or join an already-existing one.
(5) Change church constitutions and by-laws to disallow same-sex blessings and instead support traditional marriage - with or without synod approval.
(6) Stifle the impulse to register as a separate 501(c)(3) non-profit religious corporation to avoid becoming under subjection to State laws mandating compliance with racist "civil" "rights," feminist-sexist "equal" "rights," homopervert "human" "rights," abortion-homicide "reproductive" "rights," and evolutionary-mythology "educational" "science" statutes.

Pertinent Bible verses to constantly remind the growingly-lethargic about the homosexual issue are:

Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.

Prov 22:10 Drive out a scoffer, and strife will go out, and quarreling and abuse will cease.

Mal 2:15 Has not the one God made and sustained for us the spirit of life? And what does he desire? Godly offspring. So take heed to yourselves, and let none be faithless to the wife of his youth.

Mark 11:15 And they came to Jerusalem. And he entered the temple and began to drive out those who sold and those who bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons;

Luke 19:45 And he entered the temple and began to drive out those who sold,

Rom 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them.

1Cor 5:2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

1Cor 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with immoral men;
1Cor 5:11 But rather I wrote to you not to associate with any one who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber--not even to eat with such a one.

1Cor 5:13 God judges those outside. "Drive out the wicked person from among you."

1Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites,
1Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Eph 5:7 Therefore do not associate with them,

2Tim 3:5 holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people.

Jude 1:4 For admission has been secretly gained by some who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly persons who pervert the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Homosexuals, like atheists, cherish a deep rebellious defiance against God and his created entities, but in the case of homosexuals, their vengeful hatred also targets those of the opposite gender. Male homos essentially despise and hate female humans, while lesbians despise and hate male humans. If a male homo reads the graphic descriptions of a woman in the Song of Solomon, they either misconstrue it as silly or dirty, while they might or might not consider the Song of Solomon descriptions of a male erotically stimulating and desirable. Similarly with lesbians pertaining to graphic descriptions of a man therein. If either does agree with the descriptions of the opposite gender they read, they are not interested in enjoying and benefitting from such, but simply exhibiting rebellious defiance against the Lord and His natural order.

You recall the Scripture stating:

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."

Especially homosexuals might wonder why humans cannot function simply on instinct, like animals, which soul-less animals have no sense of morality nor immorality but in every way operate on instinct and limited memory according to the stimuli they encounter and sense and respond to with their senses. Indeed, primative peoples who have wandered far from knowledgeable civility they had when they all stepped off Noah's Ark (more barbaric than Phoenicians, Chinese, Sumarians, Egyptians, etc.) have simplistic verbal and written communication almost like the grunts, chirps, and howls of animals.

But whether or not homos like or question the need of complex and advanced alphabets, phrases, and sentences such as found in Holy Scripture and translations of such, the expediency of such advanced communication mechanisms is already an integral part of even somewhat-secular society - as for example for the necessity of written-language highway signs mandatory for unified and cooperative traffic flow, computation of numerical quantities, scientific identification of all sorts of phenomena for all kinds of purposes, plus buying-and-selling personal and commercial transactions.....all of which go way beyond stimuli-reactionary animalistic instinct.

Vital it is to research and discover the named identities of all those who voted for the four diabolical pro-homosexual ELCA Convention Resolutions, AND to research and discover the name identities of all those who voted against the two Statements....then apportion and unapportion contributory associations, personal friendships, monies, contributions, benevolences, etc. accordingly.

Pro-homo deviancy has always been around ever since Satan tempted and deceived Eve in the Garden, but the recent aberration began with heretics like Marcion, Westcott-Hort, UBS, Nestle, and their ilk concocting corrupt Greek texts purportedly of New-Testament origin (in stark contrast to and against the inerrant Trinitarian Greek Text of F.H.A. Scrivener following the traditional Received Texts of Erasmus, Beza, Elzevir and Stephanus), and continues on with modern false-prophet lutheran seminary professors and seminarians and clergy embracing English translations of such pseudo-scripture (as for example the RSV's [misleading and wrong] use of the phrase: "sexual perverts" instead of effeminate and sodomites in their misrendering of First Corinthians 6:9, plus the omissions of crucial (though not "critical") words within First John 5:7, but thankfully included in the KJV).

This webpage author has noticed several weaknesses in both the umbrella group CORE and the subgroup Word Alone. Certain leaders of CORE have expressed a non-justifiable spirit of organizational comradery and forgiveness concerning those who oppose anti-homosexual premises. That is not congruent with the Bible:

Deut 7:2 and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them.

Josh 11:20 For it was the LORD's doing to harden their hearts that they should come against Israel in battle, in order that they should be utterly destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be exterminated, as the LORD commanded Moses.

Josh 24:19 But Joshua said to the people, "You cannot serve the LORD; for he is a holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions or your sins.

2Chron 19:2 But Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to King Jehoshaphat, "Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the LORD? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the LORD.

Ps 139:21 Do I not hate them that hate thee, O LORD? And do I not loathe them that rise up against thee?
Ps 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them my enemies.

Hos 9:15 Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house. I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels.

Heb 10:28 A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses.

Also, both groups have eager but non-qualified-because-of-gender weaker sex in prominent positions of advertising, steering committeeship, and as directional speakers for group meetings. Such is not concordant with Scripture:

Lev 21:7 They shall not marry a harlot or a woman who has been defiled; neither shall they marry a woman divorced from her husband; for the priest is holy to his God.
Lev 21:14 A widow, or one divorced, or a woman who has been defiled, or a harlot, these he shall not marry; but he shall take to wife a virgin of his own people,

Lev 27:2 "Say to the people of Israel, When a man makes a special vow of persons to the LORD at your valuation,
Lev 27:3 then your valuation of a male from twenty years old up to sixty years old shall be fifty shekels of silver, according to the shekel of the sanctuary.
Lev 27:4 If the person is a female, your valuation shall be thirty shekels.
Lev 27:5 If the person is from five years old up to twenty years old, your valuation shall be for a male twenty shekels, and for a female ten shekels.
Lev 27:6 If the person is from a month old up to five years old, your valuation shall be for a male five shekels of silver, and for a female your valuation shall be three shekels of silver.
Lev 27:7 And if the person is sixty years old and upward, then your valuation for a male shall be fifteen shekels, and for a female ten shekels.

Num 30:5 But if her father expresses disapproval to her on the day that he hears of it, no vow of hers, no pledge by which she has bound herself, shall stand; and the LORD will forgive her, because her father opposed her.
Num 30:8 But if, on the day that her husband comes to hear of it, he expresses disapproval, then he shall make void her vow which was on her, and the thoughtless utterance of her lips, by which she bound herself; and the LORD will forgive her.

Eccl 7:27 Hey, this is what I found, says the Preacher, adding one thing to another to find the sum,
Eccl 7:28 which my mind has sought repeatedly, but I have not found. One man among a thousand I found, but a woman among all these I have not found.

Isa 3:12 My people--children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, your leaders mislead you, and confuse the course of your paths.

Nah 3:13 Hey, your troops are women in your midst. The gates of your land are wide open to your foes; fire has devoured your bars.

Mal 2:16 "For I hate divorce, says the LORD the God of Israel, and covering one's garment with violence, says the LORD of hosts. So take heed to yourselves and do not be faithless."

Matt 5:32 But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Luke 16:18 "Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.

1Cor 7:10 To the married I give charge, not I but the Lord, that the wife should not separate from her husband

1Cor 14:33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,
1Cor 14:34 the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says.

1Tim 2:12 I allow no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.

Also, the so-called "traditional" definition of marriage as being a [sexually-oriented] union of "one man and ONE woman" precludes the [legitimate] possibility of multiple-wife polygamy for husbands....again, something contrary against not merely the ceremonial but rather the moral laws of Scripture:

Gen 4:19 And Lamech took two wives; the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

Gen 16:3 So, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, Sarai, Abram's wife, took Hagar the Egyptian, her maid, and gave her to Abram her husband as a wife.
Gen 16:4 And he went in to Hagar, and she conceived; and when she saw that she had conceived, she looked with contempt on her mistress.

Gen 25:6 But to the sons of his concubines Abraham gave gifts, and while he was still living he sent them away from his son Isaac, eastward to the east country.

Gen 29:23 But in the evening he took his daughter Leah and brought [voluntary?] her to Jacob; and he [blindly?] went in to her.
Gen 29:30 So Jacob went in to Rachel also, and he loved Rachel more than Leah, and served Laban for another seven years.
Gen 30:4 So she gave him her maid Bilhah as a wife; and Jacob went in to her.
Gen 30:9 When Leah saw that she had ceased bearing children, she took her maid Zilpah and gave her to Jacob as a wife.
Gen 32:22 The same night he arose and took his two wives, his two maids, and his eleven children, and crossed the ford of the Jabbok.

Deut 21:15 "If a man has two wives, the one loved and the other disliked, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the disliked, and if the first-born son is hers that is disliked,
Deut 21:16 then on the day when he assigns his possessions as an inheritance to his sons, he may not treat the son of the loved as the first-born in preference to the son of the disliked, who is the first-born,
Deut 21:17 but he shall acknowledge the first-born, the son of the disliked, by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the first issue of his strength; the right of the first-born is his.

1Sam 1:2 He had two wives; the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah. And Peninnah had children, but Hannah had no children.

1Sam 30:5 David's two wives also had been taken captive, Ahinoam of Jezreel, and Abigail the widow of Nabal of Carmel.

2Sam 5:13 And David took more concubines and wives from Jerusalem, after he came from Hebron; and more sons and daughters were born to David.

1Chron 4:5 Ashhur, the father of Tekoa, had two wives, Helah and Naarah;

2Chron 11:21 Rehoboam loved Maacah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and concubines (he took eighteen wives and sixty concubines, and had twenty-eight sons and sixty daughters);

2Chron 24:3 Jehoiada got for him two wives, and he had sons and daughters.

Esther 2:14 In the evening she went, and in the morning she came back to the second harem in custody of Sha-ashgaz the king's eunuch who was in charge of the concubines; she did not go in to the king again, unless the king delighted in her and she was summoned by name.

Eccl 2:8 I also gathered for myself silver and gold and the treasure of kings and provinces; I got singers, both men and women, and many concubines, man's delight.

Dan 5:3 Then they brought in the golden and silver vessels which had been taken out of the temple, the house of God in Jerusalem; and the king and his lords, his wives, and his concubines drank from them.

1Tim 3:2 Now a bishop [NOT everyone] must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, dignified, hospitable, an apt teacher,
1Tim 3:12 Let deacons [NOT everyone] be the husband of one wife, and let them manage their children and their households well;

Titus 1:5 This is why I left you in Crete, that you might amend what was defective, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you,
Tit 1:6 if any man is blameless, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of being profligate or insubordinate.

Conspicuously absent in the CORE and Word Alone doctrinal statements of beliefs is the necessity for church-related ladies to be modestly dressed:

Num 5:18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and unbind the hair of the woman's head, and place in her hands the cereal offering of remembrance, which is the cereal offering of jealousy. And in his hand the priest shall have the water of bitterness that brings the curse.

Deut 32:42 I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh--with the blood of the slain and the captives, from the long-haired heads of the enemy.'

Song 7:5 Your head crowns you like Carmel [my bride], and your flowing locks are like purple; a king is held captive in the tresses.

1Cor 11:16 If anyone wants to be contentious, we have no such custom [of allowing a woman's glorious loose long hair - hanging below mouth level but not tied into a back-of-head ponytail or tied up in a chignon or completely covered with a scarf or shawl - to be regarded as adequate as a prayer veil or covering], neither do the churches of God.

1Tim 2:8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling;
1Tim 2:9 also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in decent apparel......

Keep in mind that the ELCA - as with other businesses - is a faceless and non-human corporate entity, in reality existing only in the semantics of government-registered abstraction. True, actual people identify with and as components of that abstract entity, but the entity itself has no scentient destiny of continuing to exist in the bliss of Heaven or the torments of Hell. That is why it is of utmost importance to identify - by names - persons who voted for the pro-homosexuality ELCA Statements and to identify - by names - persons who voted against the pro-homosexuality ECLA Statements....and respond against and to both accordingly and individually!

Remember, a police officer does not arrest nor fine - and a judge does not imprison nor execute - corporate abstractions, but rather criminal persons who individually and solely deserve whatever punishment should be applied only to them.