Melvins Article 3 STONER WITCH (European tour, Denmark, 1995)

Melvins interview in Denmark.

When future history books will be written, who from the underground rock scene will they put in there? Um, Velvets, Stooges, MC5, Buttholes, Sonic Youth... And most certainly, Melvins. Even among the best of the better, like, a band who have 1) Originality, 2) Innovation, 3) Tremendous playing skills [I mean, Buzz and Dale, for Christ’s sake...] and 4) An extraordinary ability to just rock. Melvins score max point in every field, this totally objective writer thinks. This interview was conducted by Kasper sometime in the fall, October I think, and Mads checked the levels on the DAT-machine. It's somewhat long, so you could go straight to Buzz on Atlantic and major labels in general, Buzz on Kurt, Buzz on Seattle and just what is a Stoner Witch?

Qrt's Garage: All right, let's start, um...

Buzz: Hello, my name is Buzz.

QG: You formed the band around '84 or so?

Buzz: '83.

QG: What was your initial idea to form a band, why did you do it?

Buzz: Don't know. Uh, uh, the answer I'd like to give is that I did it for the chicks.

QG: Did you get any?

Buzz: I got married didn't I? No, uh, uh, I don't know really why, I just for some reason wanted to play guitar and playing in a band seemed like a fun thing to do, I guess. I didn't have any big dreams or anything like that. Just the idea of playing live maybe would be good, y'know. My idea has changed since then [laughter].

QG: Who were the bands you were listening to at that time?

Buzz: Made me want to start a band you mean? Um, I was listening to a lot of Flipper, Blag Flag, uh, Motorhead, um, uhhh what else? Sex Pistols... Stuff like that. Swans a little bit.

QG: It seems that Melvins is some kind of fusion between some avant garde, and some heavy metal bands, and some punk stuff...

Buzz: A CONfusion. [laughter] Yeah yeah, a conglomeration, a mishmash of unintelligible cacophony, I don't know.

QG: Why did you wanna play so slow?

Buzz: Well, Flipper was doing it, so we decided we wanted to do it too [laughter]. Part of it was that lot of bands weren't doing it, and we were really influenced by that Blag Flag "My War" record, SIDE 2, took it from there. Did it to be different, did it to be difficult [laughter]. STILL are.

QG: Yeah, because there is an element of some avant garde thing in the Melvins, there's always been that...

Buzz: More so now than ever before, I'd say.

QG: Especially the "Prick" album.

Buzz: Yeah. There you go.

QG: How much of that is joke and how much is...

Buzz: It's a very serious joke [laughter]. Me more so than the rest of the guys in the band, certainly. Left to my own devices, as of late, the Melvins records would be far more difficult to listen to, more along the lines of the "Prick" album, you know, but um...

QG: How did you get a major label deal? Because to me your music seems to be pretty inaccessible...

Buzz: Don't ask me. I don't know, I mean -

Mads: The Nirvana effect?

Buzz: Certainly, yeah. I think Nirvana's helped a lot of bands get signed. I have no faith in major labels - uh - having any more brains than they did any other time in music history, but the opportunity came for us to try this out, see what's going on, so we tried it, I mean, uh. I have no reason to believe we'll be on Atlantic Records for a long time, or anything like that, I mean, we could...

Mads: You tried them out during the "Prick" album then...

QG: No that's only on AmRep isn't it?

Buzz: Yeah, well, they would 've put it out, they wanted to do it, and uh, we wanted to do it on AmRep just for... KICKS!

QG: Yeah? You must have a funny kind of contact with them. Usually they are a lot harder with that.

Buzz: Well, they kind of complained about it a bit, and we just pushed it, and I really don't care what they think. In a lot of ways it's like, if they really wanted to get tough with me, I would just cease to function, and they would've wasted all of the money they've already put into us, so we're kind of in a position of power as far as like saying, "We'll do whatever we want, and if you guys don't comply to it..." which they don't, because they're really confused by us. They don't know what to do with us. They know what to do with the Stone Temple Pilots, but they don't know what to do with us, you know, which doesn't surprise me, but it irritates me a bit, and it also makes me lose faith in the record industry in general. Y'know, we're a hard sell, we're not an easy band for them to market, or anything like that. They're gonna really have to work to sell our records, and I don't think they know how to do that.

QG: Could you see yourself doing an album like "Lysol" or "Eggnog" on Atlantic?

Buzz: Uuum - yeah, that certainly is a possibility. One thing that people have to understand is that we make the kind of record we want, Atlantic don't dictate anything to us. They don't tell us: "We don't want this kinda song on your record, we don't want this kinda song..." They make suggestions, but ultimately it comes down to us doing exactly what we want, that's it, that's really it. Atlantic might bitch and complain about certain things, but we don't answer to them for anything. We don't ask them what they think, or nothing has to pass a test in order for to get put out. You know, we have a lot of weird stuff on both our last records that I think are pretty far out there, as far as like noisy... I mean, there are some very challenging things on there, certainly things they wouldn't be playing on commercial radio. And they put those out... I have to give them credit on one hand for letting us do exactly what we want. The "Stoner Witch" record and the "Houdini" record are exactly the kind of records we would have made anyway. We've made those records and they sound the way they do because that's what we wanted.

QG: It sounds the metal element is becoming more predominant on the last ones - with the exception of "Prick."

Buzz: I think so, a little bit. However I don't think we'll ever get to the point where it's palatable enough for a Metallica fan to swallow, on the whole. I think we have too many other confusing things on the records that balance it out for me to call it... It certainly isn't THE direction we're going in, but it's A direction. A little bit.

Mads: But you made a Kiss cover on "Houdini."

Buzz: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean - yeah. It's kind a big joke, I guess.

QG: It's a really good song, though.

Buzz: I love that song. I don't think we'll put any cover songs on any more of our albums, because you don't get as much publishing if you cover people’s songs as you do if you write your own [laughter].

QG: When you released "Bullhead" you were still pretty much an obscure band, it seemed. Around '92 or so, you were a band that was always being name dropped in fanzines and stuff. How did you feel that transition from being something rather obscure to becoming a pretty big name on the underground scene?

Buzz: It didn't seem fast to me. We made our first record in 1986. That was four or five years before we made the "Bullhead" record, so...

QG: But also, I think your music is pretty inaccessible even compared to a lot of other big American underground bands, like Jesus Lizard or whatever...

Buzz: It surprises me. When I think about what my initial ideas of why I wanted to start a band, what I wanted to do, it surpassed that stuff a long time ago, y'know. I never entertained the thoughts of doing major label records, I never even thought about it - 'cause I never thought that it would ever happen. It never even came up. Just the fact that we've done as much as we've done, I'm happy about it. I guess I'm surprised that people are into it, yeah. There was a long time when they weren't - a long time. And when we put out the "Bullhead" record, we toured in Germany right then - we played here actually, too - a lot of people didn't like that record. They accused us of selling out with that record. That European tour kind of was the starting point for why we wanted to do the record called "Eggnog,” which is a total noise wipe out, pretty much.

QG: A lot of people think it's your greatest work till today.

Buzz: I like that record, I think it's good, and I think part of the reason it’s good is because it's an EP and it's very short, it goes by really quickly and then it's over...

QG: But not "Charmicarmicat."

Buzz: The whole thing in general is only about 18 minutes long, the entire record.

QG: Yeah that's true, the A-side is very short.

Buzz: Both sides together don't even last 20 minutes. I think that's a good idea. We wrote and recorded that record very quickly. All the songs were brand new, and we did it for, I think, something like $600 [laughter].

QG: How can Dale do that drumbeat thing? It goes for like...

Buzz: "Charmicarmicat?"

QG: Yeah, the whole drum riff goes for like, two and a half minutes before it starts again.

Buzz: Yeah, he's got a good memory. Practice. It's not perfect. It sounds a lot more difficult than it is. We're good at faking it. We're good fakers.

QG: Do you have signs or what? Like, "Here comes the snare drum?"

Buzz: Certainly. Certainly, we got all that kind of stuff. But every band does. You know, musicians when playing together - I don't know if you guys play guitar [gee, he's a psychic] or play in bands - that's part of it, the visual aspect. I mean, if you had to play with a blindfold on, you could do it but it would be difficult.

QG: I saw Codeine do it and they have these extremely long pauses and they were just...

Buzz: Looking in opposite directions? Oh yeah, you can do it, there might be some trickery to it, you'll never know. I mean, I can do it, and make it look like I'm looking in another direction, when actually I can see him out of the corner of my eye [laughter].

QG: So that type of song, like "Charmicarmicat," and the one on "Lysol," is that a direction you want to pursue?

Buzz: You mean again? Well, the first song we play tonight is along those lines, it's new, it hasn't been recorded yet. I haven't written vocals for it yet, but we're gonna play it anyway. Our next album we're gonna start working on as soon as we get home. It's gonna be much more extreme in those natures, it's gonna be like a lot more things like that, along with a lot more things that are wimpy. It's gonna be really weird. I'm really looking forward to doing it.

QG: So Kurt Cobain was your roadie or what?

Buzz: Kurt Cobain was never our roadie. The bass player from Nirvana was. Kurt Cobain weighed about 90 pounds and could barely hold up his own guitar. But we were good friends of Kurt for a long time, and I've known him since he was 11 or something, or knew him, so... Went to school with him and stuff.

QG: Somewhere, he said that they started to play because of you.

Buzz: That could very well be.

QG: So... How did you feel when he committed suicide?

Buzz: Hm, I felt bad but not surprised. I think that anybody who deals with that kind of lifestyle that he was pursuing certainly has a possibility of ending up dead at any time. I'm sure you all know people who have overdosed on drugs or something like that. So it's never a big surprise to me when people end up dead under those conditions. I literally think that's it. People can say whatever they want, they can write whatever they want, but I think if you take the drugs, and the drug lifestyle out of the picture of his life, he would still be alive. No doubt. Anybody who wanna soak it any other way is just fooling themselves, they're living in some rock'n'roll fantasy world that I really want no part of, and, you know, I was upset about the whole thing, but ultimately it doesn't really affect me so much. No, not really. Better him than me.

QG: Is it true your first bass player, the guy from Mudhoney, you threw him out because he drank to much?

Buzz: That was part of it. We moved to California too.

QG: Two years before the whole thing started.

Buzz: Yeah, we moved down there in '87.

Mads: Why did you do that?

Buzz: Why? Have you guys ever been to Seattle?

Mads: Yeah.

Buzz: Seattle sucks, it's horrible, there's nothing there. I'd much rather live here in Copenhagen. I'd much rather live here than there. It's horrible! It's ugly, there's nothing there.

QG: So how did you feel when Mudhoney and Nirvana started to get famous, when that whole Seattle-thing started?

Buzz: I thought it was good, um... I was happy for them.

Mads: It's no wonder that all the bands do all these drugs in Seattle, because the city is so boring, there is nothing else -

Buzz: It's boring as hell.

Mads: Because it is a big problem there...

Buzz: It's a big problem everywhere. I think this place [Cristiania] is a good example of that.

Mads: There's no hard drugs here. There is only hash and pot.

Buzz: Well, that's hard enough. Drugs are a problem regardless what form or shape they're in. People who do drugs don't have anything that I want, so I have to view them all under the same umbrella. But I don't really care what everybody else does. I mean, that's fine. Do what you like! Do hard drugs! Make more room for the rest of us!

Mads: So the title "Stoner Witch," does that have something to do with it?

Buzz: That was like a slang term we had for heavy metal girls when I was in high school. Just thought it was funny. I don't try to put a lot of political meaning or reasoning in any of our music. Try to keep ridiculous, and...

QG: But you've just begun to write proper lyrics, haven't you?

Buzz: "Stoner Witch" had more lyrics than any other album I ever did. We'll see what happens with this next one. I've written a lot of lyrics for this one though. Chances are... we won't go political - but then you never know.

QG: How come Lorax is not playing bass with you anymore?

Buzz: Well, we tended to wanna work a little harder than she was willing to do, and I was going out with her for a long time, and I basically got sick of her. Dumped her. Just rid her from my life completely, and there's no way I could see playing in a band with her. That had a lot to do with it, plus, I thought she was lazy.

QG: Do you tour a lot in the states?

Buzz: Yeah, we tour a lot. We've been to Europe a couple of times in the last two years, and...

QG: Why don't you come here?

Buzz: I don't know why we don't play in Scandinavia, I have no idea. We were supposed to play tomorrow in Stockholm and the show got cancelled because they said there weren't enough ticket sales. So, I don't know what the deal is up here. It kind of surprises me, seems there would be at least 150 kids that would be into it, generally speaking, so I don't know. I don't know why we don't play up here. Because we're afraid of the Vikings, that's why. All the stories we've heard, and those ferries aren't as safe as they used to be. We're too afraid to get on the boats, that's what it is. Airplanes, that's what we should do, airplanes.


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