Gardenier

 Subject: Gardenier, Jochem / Eunice Hoes
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 05:02:16 -0500
From: Cliff Lamere clifflamere@global2000.net
To: sarafina@delcarsdungeon.com

 Melissa,

I have been researching Gardeniers in Columbia Co., hoping to find some that are related to my great great grandmother.  Somehow, over a month ago, I got linked to a site and ended up at:

    http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/ward/15787   .(Not the same page after update)

 I went there again tonight (this morning). Jochem Gardenier was baptized on 24 Feb 1783 at Kinderhook RDC rather than the 24 Feb 1783 that you have posted.  The approximate text (in case you don't own the book) is:

"Baptized 24 Feb 1783.  Jochem, of Cornelis Gardenier and Antje Van Sleyk.  Wit.:  Jochem Van Sleik and wife Cornelia Van Valkenburg".

 Now you know the names of  Jochem's parents if you didn't already have them (they weren't on the website).

 I have a question.  What is the source for his marriage to Eunice Hoes/Goes?  You have a marriage date, but no location.  It was not at Kinderhook or Albany or Greenbush in a Reformed Church.

 I almost certainly have the same marriage under different spellings.

Here is what I have:

 JEHOIAKIM GARDENIER (Jehoicum, Jahoiachim, Johaiakim, Johoiacem, Johircher, Jehirakim).  Some of these would almost sound like Jochem when pronounced.  These were all spellings at his children's baptisms.

He married:

 TEUNCHE HOES  (Teunchy, Taunche, Tuneche, Tunche, Teuntie)  (also Goes, Huss).  Her nickname might have been Eunice.  If you left out two letters from Teunche, you would have '_eun c_e'.  That is awfully close to Eunice.  Also, the maternal great grandmother of Eunice was named Theuntje Vandenburg according to your records.

 They had their first child Anche bp. 22 Jan 1804 at the Greenbush Reformed Church, just 9½ months after your wedding date of 10 Apr 1803.

In those days, children were usually born within a year of the marriage.  Their second child is probably the one that you had:

 Ann, born 24 Mar 1806, bp. at the Greenbush Reformed Church.

 There is a good possibility that Anche was also called Ann, and may have died in infancy, so they named the second child Ann also.  Or, the parents just named the two children after their own mothers who were

Antje "Anna" Van Slyck (paternal) and Annatje Van Buren (maternal).  In good Dutch naming practices, they named the first four children after the mothers and fathers of the married couple.  Guess what?  The next two children were named Cornelius and Peter!! after their fathers Cornelis Gardenier and Peter J. Goes.  Are you convinced yet?  If not, there was a child Barent named after Barent C. Van Buren, the grandfather of Eunice.  There were also children Abraham and Cornelia, probably named after Jochem's brother and sister of the same names.

 The only child that I haven't connected with certainty is Gitty Maria, but I think she was named after Geetruy Van Buren, grandmother of Eunice.

 I have spent about three hours sorting this out, so I don't have time to compare other Gardeniers that you have.  The one that I am writing about is pretty interesting for me.  It is the first time that I have successfully related the children of a marriage to the ancestor's names.  It was only possible because I have the Gardenier ancestors and you have the Hoes ancestors.  Usually, I don't have the ancestors of the spouses.

 So once again, what information do you have that Eunice Hoes married Jochem Gardenier, and where did they marry?

 Cliff Lamere    Albany, NY

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