Sexism...doesnt that taste good?
-My thoughts on sexism-
(last update: 7/11)
ok, so...i dont know what to say on this because obviously i dont know what to think. One side of me goes, oh its my body, ill out-slut anyone i want, i have a right to, sex is my power as a woman. The other side overpowers and says, um no, thats all society wants you for your body, your sex, its important to let those a-holes know, you cant let them degrade you and treat you like a slut. Than i turn on tv, notice how every girl on there is stick thin, blonde, big chest, tiny hips.....wearing hardly....anything ya know....and it makes me mad, why do i walk all over school (when i was in school) and see the female masses wearing halter tops, butt shorts whatever else that just has to SHOW OFF what some (NO NOT ALL I DONT GENERALZE REMEMBER) men want from you. Look at guys, baggy shirts, baggy pants, can you even tell if there "hot" (im not using my standards right now) i mean, turn on mtv, watch a video of a hip hop band (not all) but half naked girls shaking their asses being pieces of meat, while the guys just wearing HUGE pants and huge shirts "pimping" the "hos" I dont get that at all, i mean i thought we evolved into something more than that, i mean society in general will always be sexist in one way or another, i cant blame it for everything and im not trying to. I went to see nofx (yeah i know i regret it now) long ago in march, and a female band was playing and the first response from the males of the audience was "SHOW US YOUR TITS" what the hell, is that all were good for? and why encourage it? why accept it, if anyone ever said that to me id tell em to fuck right off, no one deserves to be treated like that, than you see girls just accepting it, claiming sex as your only power basically (i refuse to accept it, i refuse to prance around half naked to please the other sex, i please myself damnit) Its scary, but maybe it isnt our fault, maybe we've gotten used to being inferior, maybe it doesnt matter anymore, i dont want to bite the bullet and just ride it out, before im just a body part im a human, at least give me that.
Than there britney spears, christina haguiera, all over rollign stone, spreading there legs, letting everyone konw their sex life, sayign its EMPOWERMENT, to be skanky? huh....did i miss something? why is it every video after eachother they have to try and out-slut eachother, be better than one another, talent never has anything to do with it either. never can you just go out, rock a guitar and be something more than your body allows. I mean,who even defines what is attractive anymore, do people actually decide for themselves or is it the medias job to tell you, oh this is what every girl should look like, oh this is what you have to be to be "beautiful". Hey dont think im pullinga double standard, guys can have it just as tough as women and have to shape themselves the same way, its just not as hard. When your a 13 year old girl, who has all these magazines of people your supposed to idolize, what your body should be like, how you should advertise your body in skimpy little outfits just to impress some guy, who you know, will just want you for one thing (no not all guys, what i mean is if you show up wearing tube tops butt shorts thongs what not, and your just trying to make a guy think your "hot", he will see you for you present yourself, if he wouldnt give you the time in day if you were wearing....sweatpants, or a band shirt or whatever, than what?) its merely attraction that only matters in society right now. Scary? I mean i have nothing against how you choose to dress, more power to you, im fine with my plaid and spikes and what keeps me comfortable. Knowing i dont need to advertise myself before im "with" someone
yes i still dont know what im saying, i like feminism somewhat, either 1st wave, 2nd wave, i dont have a clue what i believe in on this subject.....i wasted your time huh.
This is from Katie at youth_politics@hotmail.com
It is difficult to determine a starting point for the discussion of a subject with such a vast range of information and ideas, which I know a very limited amount about. Of all issues aroused by society, sexism is definately at the front of the 'things I would like to learn about' line.
Today's world revolves around physical image. Whether we agree or not, conform or defy, our lives are confronted with sexism on a very frequent basis. The largest portion of blame for this should be directed towards the media. Everywhere you look, the female sex is exploited in some way or another (I am sure a detailed description of the 'Britneys' and 'Christinas' of our world is unnecessary). Men, in many cases, are portrayed as strong and indepenant, which in turn, leads many people to fall for the 'stronger sex' stereotype. Not that some women are not portrayed in such a way, however sadly, the realistic female image is outnumbered by the derogatory 'Barbies' of society.
The vernacular of the English language is another cause for the extream sexism in society. Ask yourself this question: "When was the last time I heard a sexist comment?". A single word such as "slut", "bitch", "whore", etc. can be demeaning and degrading towards women. Ignorance and idiocy is oppressing to gender equality.
I once came across this quote: "The problem with us men and women, is not that we must learn, but that we must unlearn." We have been brainwashed to be sexist, whether we know it or not. What the world needs is fair treatment. What the world needs is gender equality.
This is a conversation me and Claire had:
PunxUnite17: ewww whys christina aguilera so skanky
PunxUnite17: or why does she feel she needs to skanky to feel empowerment thats what i hate empowerment isnt being naked and selling music with "sexuality"
deceptivesurface: Ugh, I know. It just doesn't make any sense. POWER! Let's take our clothes off!
PunxUnite17: i hate that word with pop singers, empowerment ok, im sure you know sex must be our only power as females, i guess thats what they think....
but why push yourself down to that...THAT JUST MAKES YOU REALIZE YOUR ONLY ONE THING..
deceptivesurface: ljfkjsdl;g people: STOP BEING STUPID.
PunxUnite17: ok say im half naked/not covered much, than will ig et a guys respect NO, HE WILL SAY OH SHES HOT, not oh shes smart or a cool person if i have some clothes on and leave some shit to imagine, he wont just want me for one thing...
deceptivesurface: that's the best way I've heard that explained. rawr.
PunxUnite17: i need to write that down and copy it and give it to all females?
deceptivesurface: ALL OF THEM well, some don't need it.
PunxUnite17:
deceptivesurface: yeah.... it is.
PunxUnite17: cause thats whats expected of you, if you dont do that your not accounted for i hate people
deceptivesurface: me too. they should stop sucking all the time.
PunxUnite17: i mean sold sexuality, thats whats being marketed, EVERYTHING IS SEX, thats all the medias teaching younger people of what matters and its brainwashing, how you should act, how a male should treat a female, how a female should accept being treated a bad way...
deceptivesurface: And I imagine Christina's doing this so she doesn't seem 'generic'... Oh, the irony.
PunxUnite17: i mean, another one, the man show, all the kids at high school middle school watch it.....they make it seem ok to treat females like whores, make it see that you have to fit certain standards to prove masculinity i mean comedy, i dont see it, i see sexism...i really dont want to feel like i should prance around half naked for beer guzziling idiots
deceptivesurface: I HATE THAT STUPID SHOW I HATE THOSE STUPID MEN ARGH KILL
PunxUnite17: my dad watches it, i hate my dad
deceptivesurface: It's the most flagrant display of the horrors of sexism that exist that I see on TV.
deceptivesurface: Excluding, y'know, the porn channels, but only just.
PunxUnite17: and they say its not sexism and if you have a problem change hte channel...WHAT SHOULD WE IGNORE NEGATIVE COMMENTS
deceptivesurface: I don't get that - why are we SUPPOSED to ignore something that leads to violence and murder and battering and rape?
deceptivesurface: We're not supposed to ignore it when it reaches that point, but we can ignore the reasons?!
PunxUnite17: what motivates you to that point
PunxUnite17: and than they have standards for you to be a woman.....uh isnt my genitallia enough? cant i wear my comfortable clothing and still be "feminine" enough for you?
deceptivesurface: ugh. can you loose your razor for a fucking week and still be accepted? NO.
PunxUnite17: nope can you not wear makeup and look every 5 fucking minutes to make sure its perfect can you not have big boobs or a small ass?
deceptivesurface: I hate seeing girls sitting in class and applying lipstick every other minute.
PunxUnite17: i dont wear any makeup aside from my eyeliner mascara shit but i dont look in the mirror every minute , and i dont need to make myself look "perfect" everyday before i walk out the door and i dont needt o wear tight restricking clothing just to make guys want me....im more than my body im a damn human
deceptivesurface: boys can look like fucking slobs and not have people freaking out over their appearance.
PunxUnite17: exactly, go to school allt he guys are wearing baggy covering shit, girls halter tops butt shorts whatever if a guy doesnt feel the need to strip down why the hell should i?
deceptivesurface: Well, if you want to be PRETTY...
PunxUnite17: if a guy respects me and wants to be with me he will respect me past my body fuck pretty, who defines pretty? magazines, tv, consumerist whores to tell you standards of sold fake beauty
PunxUnite17: airbrushing, twiggy half naked girls pushing younger women into eating disorders, if that doesnt inspire you to gag your food what does?
PunxUnite17: underweight girls complaining about being fat every 10 minutes...
deceptivesurface: I've seen all these teen magazines get attacked for only showing stick-thin models and whatever; their response is that "but the newest fashions only come in sizes 0-3" but all their ads are full of disproportioned, anorexic-looking girls.
deceptivesurface: and they're supporting the continuation of it. THE FUCK?!
PunxUnite17: no they say they show all shapes and sizes, but they never show any one over a size 4
PunxUnite17: and they tell you how to be popular, how to get a guy to want you, how to flirt all this shit... what about things that matter?
PunxUnite17: what through one fucking article in about something negative to actually make you think
deceptivesurface: that's what i'm wondering.
PunxUnite17: most girls will flip past it to see whats in style and how to be COOL and accepted by everyone but themselves
deceptivesurface: it's horrible.
PunxUnite17: its been around for years and we wont ever ever stop it, becuase were somehow inferior
deceptivesurface: people need to get fucking educated - YOUR MAKEUP DOESN'T MATTER. things aren't going to change unless people start making the change, and the whole downward spiral is just continuing.
PunxUnite17: but the thing is, were not the majority, see in this country its only the majority that matters
PunxUnite17: and most people are fine and dont care about this form of oppression towards women, hell some dont even realize it
deceptivesurface: so many don't realize it that it's fucking sick.
PunxUnite17: they were raised to think its okay to be treated like a piece of meat
deceptivesurface: and that's how they'll raise their kids
PunxUnite17: thats what they were taught was acceptable
deceptivesurface: :-\ when will it stop SUCKING?!
PunxUnite17: when women get off their damn knees and stop taking it that wont happen i doubt we'll be alive for this revolution but one could hope
deceptivesurface: And I do.
Abortions (7/7/03)
I scrolled around a message board a bit, and the majority are christians and i came to this topic about abortions/prolife/prochoice. Wow big surprise a whole lot of em are against "murder" and say its not a womans right to kill something growing in her body. I for one think i and all women are not baby machines and i dont care if you call me a murderer cause i know im not! Some people are not fit to have kids, hell i cant even take care of myself let a little nicole running around causing hell. I went to hang out with some pals last week and i saw the most disgusting thing ever, there was this truck with this hickass motherfucker in it and on the front it said "God Save America" and "Pro-Life" and my curiosity turned to the sides of the truck and it had fucking pictures of dead babies, with a disgusted look on my face i gave the middle finger. I wanted to go burn that shit down or throw rocks at it, i mean yeah dead babies, gross sick whatever i dont wanna see it, i know what results of abortions but early ones dont look like that and just because you have a couple pictures doesnt mean you could scare me out of it. Dont get me wrong, abortions arent a form of birthcontrol and yeah if you fuck up its an irresponsible thing. If you are a guy you have no fucking clue, you have no idea how scary it could be, i mean yeah if you really do care if its nota casual thing you will worrie, but shit just think about a baby inside of you, that scares the shit outta me. Im not saying guys dont worrie as much but fuckdamnit being a girl sucks in that situation. Back to being on topic though, Why is war okay,and why is killing and genociding a land alright in "gods" eyes, but dealing with something you arent responsible enough for not ok? What the fucks the difference? Its still disposing of something . I dunno, i saw a movie about all these protesters, anti abortionists giving clinic people shit, and t just really pisses me off, if i ever seepeople out at one with signs and shit (unless its a huge fucking turn out oh hell nicole doesnt wanna get murdered) Illfucking go off on em and shove a boot up their asses...thats so disgustng, its not your fucking choice, its mine/theirs you bastards
(ill finish more later)
Some cool thoughts from Megan/Guttercrust
Just some thoughts im always bitching about in the punk scene, or rather the whole marketing scheme of things in general.
Women- to some they are objects, trophies, whores, bitches, cunts, whatever. (Dont get me wrong, some women have serious attitudes and I call them bitches too. But im referring to calling women bitches in general)- like "Hey, thats my bitch" and shit like that. Thats fucking BULLSHIT.
To others, they are game plans, like how they can get fucked tonight, etc etc and how to get em to do it. Its disgusting. If im going to fuck someone, id rather fuck them honestly, not because of some bullshit scheme.. what they cant get fucked being a real person, not some lie? ::shakes head:: Sad, really sad.
Then, there is my point. Beauty, and its justification in the punk scene.
Now im not a butch chick or anything, or anything of the sort. I wear short skirts and shit, and i like my spiked heels ;) because I like to feel sexy, and there is nothing wrong with feeling that way in my opinion. But what is this shit about women in the scene having to appear like models (skinny, tall... blah blah)?? Isnt that part of what punk culture is fighting against?? The stifling marketing ploys of millions of corporations and designers using women as clothing hangers to market their thousand dollar clothes???
Now its entered the punk scene. In my opinion, pretty can be ugly. Im not saying that some women arent pretty that are skinny or tall.. some are. But only when they are being themselves..not starving themselves into oblivion to try to please some stupid TV-influenced male that thinks the perfect woman is some girl off the page of a porno mag. Its pathetic.
Beauty in my mind is pretty ugly.. Beauty can destroy lives... (look at all of the women that die of eating disorders every year.)
In my opinion, men AND the women that believe this is how they should be need to open their eyes. I used to be one of them too.. i know what its like. Im not skinny, im "thick". (not FAT persay, but curvy and i have some bounce ;) heh... im not tall, im short. But you know what? There are girls like me that have a lot to offer and never get the chance... and then there are the guys that want some porngirl and wonder why she is a bitch, why she played with his mind, why she fucked his best friend. Welcome to the real world, guys. Some beautiful girls rock as people, and some dont. Its up to you to make the judgement, and not just on looks.
Some of this stuff ill cover more in depth when i get my zine going, but right now its off the top of my head. I just hope punk guys can be more true to what they say they believe in in the future. (And punk girls too!)
In my mind, mohawks and spikes on girls are beautiful.. in my mind, curves are sexy (im not bisexual, just lookin at it from my point of view ;) having breasts and hips and thick thighs are what make us women..what differenciates us from the male species. So grrrls, if you dont look like some punk ideal, fuck it. Throw away the expectations, and men, next time youre at a show and you look at the girl next to you that has a not-so-perfect body and is rocking out with ya...and she seems pretty rad but doesnt fit the punk girl standard, give her a chance.. you never know... she might make you a lot happier :)
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