.50 packages, about 25 cookies. i let a few go to anyone that asked.
not nutritional, but weight felt good in stomach.
ex-SO

You are a sick and twisted person, "Rod."

But then again, Scientology taught you that, right?

Deana

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I hate to say this, but Scarff (despite his contemptible nature) has
been accurate all through this thread. Starving SO? Never happened. SO
without steak and chicken? Happened all the time. Big deal. If you're
going to attack the SO, which is fine by me, there are so many good
things to go after, why lie about starvation?

BTW, rice&beans is not only nutritious, but it's the mainstay of
millions of tribe members in Africa who rarely get sick, have boundless
energy and have an almost non-existant rate of colon cancer. Another
good side effect is you'll lose weight if you make it a major part of
your diet, which is probably why most ARS picketeers look like small
dirigables and most SO members look trim and healthy. The best side
effect though of a rice&bean diet is it keeps your 'shite' from
stinking. Which, of course, is one of my major assets.

But hey Martin, keep going on those starving SO member stories... I love
to laugh and that is some real funny stuff.

Wolf

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Contemptible nature?? Now that is some real funny stuff.  Thanks for the
2nd and THE TRUTH!!

ex-SO brags;

You let a few go?
Every fart I had needed to be saved to power the gas driven
electric fence and german shepard patrol with the jack-booted
Uzi-tooting guards.
No wonder you left. There was no dicipline. You were a wuss.
SteveJ

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Even more to come.

Help is the basis of all association.

You can find this in the level two tapes and also the videos of LRH (6
lectures) from the D.C Congress at the Shoreham Hotel.

But it isn't a difficult concept to grasp.  HELP.

Work out the various flows and vectors of help (being helped, helping another,
others - others helping others, etc.

You can see that one is or is not "helping".  The things one thinks of as
having done "wrong" are the FAILURES TO HELP.

It sure would seem to be one of them, yes.

Same,

Russell

LOOK!  LOOK!  Have a gander.  Check me out.

You really think there ~is~ one for me (or anyone else) to burn in?

So lucky for me that you so far away then, huh?

If you are really going to do this (and want it to be successful) you may want
to include fresh fruit (melon in season) and some hot dishes like lasagna, etc.

If your Free Snack Truck just shows up each time with sandwiches, they will be
eaten, but the staff are not going to think much of your creativity - if all
they get are lunch meat type sandwiches.

I agree.  And if you've got the money to finance this (hell, get Minton to pay
for it) I can deliver the hungry people.  Especially at the complex.

Wrong on both counts.  They will take the food (if it is good food) and will
not blow.

That's $150.00 pledged so far, which will buy at least a couple
bags of Big Macs.  But we need at least one volunteer "on the
ground" in LA to actually conduct this mission of mercy.

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Don't get too excited, Gary.  This is about ~FOOD~.  :-)

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We get Spam from the Co$......

<snort!>

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Thank you for acknowledging that staff are going hungry.

On Mon, 04 May 1998 23:02:51 GMT.
w...@loop.com (wgert).
From: All USENET -- http://www.supernews.com/.
Wrote on the subject: Re: very sad---URL unobtainable.:

Better make that "Gertler"

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My first experience in the Cedars mess was watching some poor
SOB with a plate of these crappy boiled red beans and rice;
when I commented on the unsuitability of such a diet, a Sea Org
bitch was all for routing me to ethics for daring to question
Source.

Well, fuck Source, and fuck you, Wolf. I've seen your cult's
dirty little secret, the Rehabilitation Project Force. I've
been on the rice-and-bean diet. (not basmati; not delicious
black turtle beans; these things taste like wood chips.) It's
been a long time since I studied nutrition, but I recall that
grain and beans form a compliment of the 8 essential amino
acids. *However*, they are far from a complete diet. Can you
tell me, Wolf, what are the three main types of food? Can you
list the essential vitamins and minerals, and give us an idea
of what the lack of them produces in people? Can you state what
essentials are missing from a diet of rice and boiled red beans?
You and Garry and LRH are regular nutritional *geniuses*. ROFL!
Put your heads together and see what you can come up with. Do
some brainstorming. :-)

This is a very sad issue, the omnipresent hunger in Scientology.
To say that no SO are hungry is a Big Lie. They're hungry.
They're hungry right now. Some of them have been hungry for
months. Lisa was starved to death. Kids were served milk with
maggots in it. And hundreds of Scientologists are *right now*
not having their nutritional needs met with an unsuitable and
dangerous diet of rice and boiled beans. Don't take my nutritional
knowledge for granted; go and haul out a few textbooks (which
you should do in any case, rather than relying on my memory
and outdated studies), or go and ask your doctor. This is
a 3rd world diet; this is a *starvation* diet. Believe me;
I've been on it. It was only three weeks, but it was certainly
enough to let me start feeling the complications involved with
such a radical diet. I wonder how many SO are walking about with
bleeding gums right now? I know more than a few looked like
walking stick insects down there, wan and pale. <shudder>

--
Cogito, ergo sum.                http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
  "In South Africa, a Bantu's withholds read not on the needle alone
  but on the Tone Arm as well. The Tone Arm goes up as much as two
  divisions (3 to 5) just before you get off a bad withhold on one."
  - L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, page 23.

In article <6ilfk3$...@basement.replay.com>,

Bless you both; I pray someone in LA takes you up on your pledges
and puts this in motion.

I was very lucky; apart from a three-week stint on the infamous
rice-and-bean diet, I ate well, as I had some money. Those that
didn't suffered, and I saw people really suffer when they couldn't
swing the $30 for the weekly Cedars mess meal ticket. The mess
food was shabby - utility grade pork chops, and generally lousy
meat and other comestibles - but adequate. What was nice was having
enough to pick up a few things at the store, but I pity those that
couldn't afford even that. I hope that even those that see
Scientology for the evil it is wouldn't wish hunger on the poor
crew at Cedars. (and, very likely, the same issue is present at
Flag, in Clearwater; I just haven't seen that 1st hand, but maybe
someone who was there can comment.)

--
Cogito, ergo sum.                http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
  "In South Africa, a Bantu's withholds read not on the needle alone
  but on the Tone Arm as well. The Tone Arm goes up as much as two
  divisions (3 to 5) just before you get off a bad withhold on one."
  - L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, page 23.

In article <6ilv5i$ej...@news.iquest.net>,

Hey! Xenu is our leader!

Seriously, I hope something can be done for hunger in Scientology.
That organization shows little in the way of charity. Policy
dictates that sympathy is wrong and streetpeople and other
downtrodden are that way because they "pulled it in" on themselves,
and certainly they should be avoided rather than helped. It gladdens
my heart to see that critics of Scientology take an entirely
different attitude toward charity.

Charity, the saying goes, starts at home. The utter lack of
charity L. Ron Hubbard, and now his organization in his name,
showed toward the poor wights on the RPF gives a glimpse into
the heart of the cult.

  Hana Eltringham, as quoted in Bent Corydon's _Messiah or Madman?_,
speaking about RPF inmates onboard the Apollo:

    They were treated like criminals - even rats.
    They would get their food delivered by way of buckets, lowered into
  the ducts. This punishment lasted anywhere from 24 hours to, on a few
  occasions, a couple of weeks.
    Since they were not allowed out to use toilet facilities, the inmates
  had to find some way to relieve themselves as best they could,
  creating the stench of human excrement and filth throughout the
  ducts.

What a jolly old cult Scientology is. The inmates life in the RPF
reads a lot like that of POWs.

--
Cogito, ergo sum.                http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
  "In South Africa, a Bantu's withholds read not on the needle alone
  but on the Tone Arm as well. The Tone Arm goes up as much as two
  divisions (3 to 5) just before you get off a bad withhold on one."
  - L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, page 23.

In article <1998050507322400.DAA21...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

Sounds like Happy Valley; how long were you there?

Discipline; your Studi Tech Spelin' Tek is showing through.
You shouldn't joke about such things; life in your cult was
degrading and debilitating for many people, and joking about it
is akin to, well, I won't draw the analogy, but it remains.

Taken from Jon Atack's _A Piece of Blue Sky_:

  The Happy Valley story was not over. During the summer of 1982,
Hubbard had tested out a new idea with Mayo's help. Executives
were becoming exhausted, so rather than shortening their eighteen-hour
day, Hubbard had issued the Running Program. Executives were
to run around a fixed point for about an hour a day, and take
huge quantities of mineral supplements. For the Happy Valley
detainees the time was extended. They were to run, in desert
heat, for five hours a day, round and round a tree.
  Perhaps because of his especially potent contaminating effect,
Mayo was separated from the rest of the group, given a pole
to run around (and even ordered to paint it red). The runners
took the affair as lightly as possible. Only one guard was assigned
to them, so Mayo and those at the tree would take turns to sit
down, and the guard would have to trek between them to goad
them back into action.6
  The Running Program took its toll. Mayo, a slight man, lost
twenty-five pounds. Whether through the program, or the general
lack of medical care within the Sea Org, Mayo's teeth and gums
also suffered badly. In February 1983, convinced that he could
do nothing to change the attitude of management, he accepted
his Suppressive Person declare and left.

(Is it just me, or have *several* Scientologists jumped on this
thread? Hot button or what? Probably for most of them the remarks
about hunger strick uncomfortably close to home. They've undoubtedly
gone on a few weeks of rice and beans themselves, the poor things.)

--
Cogito, ergo sum.                http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
  "In South Africa, a Bantu's withholds read not on the needle alone
  but on the Tone Arm as well. The Tone Arm goes up as much as two
  divisions (3 to 5) just before you get off a bad withhold on one."
  - L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, page 23.

In article <354f8e8a.5690...@enews.newsguy.com>,

Damn; I killfiled my own DA! Look what you miss when you filter
ars. Did he say anything else juicy? Libellous? :-) My OSA folder
runneth over.

Yep. Join up now! Learn the secrets of Dead Agenting and how
you, too, can use the law to easily harass people, if possible,
disposing of them altogether! Learn how to rummage around in
SPs' trash! (Rod, was that you? I always pictured you as being
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Learn how to get SPs fired by complaining to their boss! Learn
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learn how to stage hit-and-run accidents! It's all here, folks!
For only $299,999.99! But wait! There's more! Learn how to set
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Cogito, ergo sum.                http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
  "In South Africa, a Bantu's withholds read not on the needle alone
  but on the Tone Arm as well. The Tone Arm goes up as much as two
  divisions (3 to 5) just before you get off a bad withhold on one."
  - L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, page 23.

Porn star, eh? Now, where does that fit in the DA chart? About
like so?:

 1. Common-or-garden wog
 2. Pro-German
 3. SP
 4. Bigot
 5. Nazi
 6. Copyright Terrorist

6.5 Prono star/prono King <-- ???

 7. Hate-monger
 8. Pig Fucker
 9. Criminal
10. Dangerous Lunatic/Mad Bomber
11. Baby Killer/Jew Burner
12. Pedophile

--
Cogito, ergo sum.                http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
  "In South Africa, a Bantu's withholds read not on the needle alone
  but on the Tone Arm as well. The Tone Arm goes up as much as two
  divisions (3 to 5) just before you get off a bad withhold on one."
  - L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, page 23.

In article <Pine.LNX.3.96.980504221816.14069F-100...@molly.hh.org>,
The Momentary Delurker <del...@molly.hh.org> wrote:

Typically, 16-18 hours. Longer, if they're deemed to be "downstat",
ie, not keeping up with their ever-increasing production quotas.
As you can surmise, being "downstat" is a common thing for cult
members.

Very likely they are. Especially if they're in a lower condition,
which, again, is a part of the miserable life inside Scientology.

It goes like this:

                    THE FIVE CARD SYSTEM

  In Sea Org Executive Directive 3490 International, 24 July 1986, a
new system of rewards and penalties was announced. This directive is
by the "Sea Organization Admiralty Officer," and is approved by the
Watchdog Committee:

    A brilliant system is being put into your org which heavily validates
  those staff `who are actively working on contributing to and achieving
  your org's purpose of 5.4Xed statistics [meaning increasing one's
  production by 5.4 times before Hubbard's birthdate].
    At the same time, this new system penalizes downstat staff who are
  not actively contributing....

  This system grants each member of the team "shares" in the group.

    There are five team shares and you, as a team member of the group,
  will be issued five special cards representing each share:
    1. Social Card (blue)
    2. Bonus Card (green)
    3. Allowance Card (orange)
    4. Berthing Card (yellow)
    5. Chow card (red)

  The social card entitles the staff member to "participate in any
social activity such as liberty, parties, sports events, special meals,
outings, and the like" (note that "liberty" is any day off).
  The bonus card entitles the staff member to a "bonus in addition to
the regular Sea Org allowance." The allowance card "entitles one to
receive regular Sea Org allowance" [approximately $7 to $12 per
week].
  The berthing card grants a space in which to berth (a bed).
  The chow card entitles the staff member to receive food at meal
times from the Org.
  Here's the good news:
  A staff member who "is pulling his weight and taking responsibility
for the org as a whole" is entitled to all five cards. He is also awarded
a "Silver Star." He is to wear this star at all times on his lapel.
  Here's the bad news:
  If the staff member is "being downstat or generally unproductive,
or uncooperative" he starts losing his cards one at a time starting with
the blue card.
  Lose one card and you lose your silver star.
  Loss of all cards means the person "goes on rice and beans (each
meal) while living in pig's berthing...." The directive goes on to
explain:

    The Sea Organization is the most ethical group this planet has ever
  known or will know. Star-high standards are enforced. It is with clean
  hands [good deeds and honestly that the Sea Org has maintained itself
  as the single most effective group of OTs in existence....
    LRH has entrusted the Sea Org to maintain the exact degree of ethics
  on this planet so that the wins and gains of his technology can be
  had by all....
    Those who have other fish to fry show up fast on the Team Share
  System and can be quickly handled.

- From Bent Corydon's book, _Messiah or Madman?_

Silver star, eh? I wonder if it has five points or six? Achtung,
RPFen!

My roomates and I were assigned to pig's berthing once after an
inspection. We were downstat, and had to be punished. Punishment
is a big thing in the cult; a lot of it is devoted to punishment
by various means from marks/signs, forced labour, begging to "rejoin"
the group, shaming, starvation, prison camps, etc.

--
Cogito, ergo sum.                http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
  "In South Africa, a Bantu's withholds read not on the needle alone
  but on the Tone Arm as well. The Tone Arm goes up as much as two
  divisions (3 to 5) just before you get off a bad withhold on one."
  - L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, page 23.

On 05 May 1998 09:42:42 GMT.
wonderf...@aol.com (WONDERFULR).
From: AOL http://www.aol.com/.
Wrote on the subject: Re: very sad:

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Well, that is up to you to find out. :-)

Is distance in space really a protection? I thought, well never
mind....:-)

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yes, we do.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-ser.  LOSER gertie.  (do i get a cookie?)

rob
are you that same
wgert that fucked the pigs all the time?  i'm not saying
you ARE, i'm just WONDERING

Really? And you stayed in the SO? Did your momma drop you on the head or
something?

Ahh, the Dennis Erlich school of argument. Well done. You are qualified
as a clueless idiot.

Hey! You're the guy who was too dense to figure out the SO was BS. I
never joined the thing. I didn't want to starve you know...

Perhaps your memories are distorted because of the state of mind it took
to be duped into the SO to begin with.

Sure. Scotch, steak and jalapenos.

As I requested, Martin has regaled us with more of his delusions of
starving SO members and bleeding gums. I think he has potential as a
fiction writer or a historian. The qualifications for both are similar
and Martin is definitly a candidate. Read on ->

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Next installment -> Martin visits Somalia and finds starving SO members
on the street begging the well-fed and affluent population for handouts.

Wolf <still smiling at the absurdity of what some people will post>

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More blahdy..blah..from a well-established liar with an IQ of 12, so
entrenched in anger and hostility, he has to decieve and misrepresent
himself to gain attention.  Such is the legacy of Martin Hunt.

[snip usual lame attempts at justification and ad hominem attacks]

Boy, you got that right, loser...er, um, I mean, wgert.

-Paul