Log from 26 Feb 2009 3pm Margaret N: hi, Anne Margaret N: I am not at Bobbing Lace Class today as my cold came on with a vengenance last Thurs. night and the next day that I dressed was Tues Margaret N: I am still catching up Margaret N: yesterday I had so many bad experiences that I couldn't cope with life last night AnneB TA-S: Hi Margaret! Margaret N: hi AnneB TA-S: Sorry about your cold, lucilly I have managed without catchin one since September AnneB TA-S: And yur yesterday does not sound good either... Margaret N: I had my cane stolen, I lost my buse pass, and when I looked at the schedule to see when the same vehicle was coming by, it has left the previous 5 minutes Margaret N: earlier Margaret N: so I had to walk a great distance, in a hurry, without my cane, and now have pain in my right leg and hip due to the way I was compensating Margaret N: missed a meeting and didn't get to go grocery shopping as I had no bus pass Margaret N: and I couldn't buy next month's bus pass as I need the id card to do so AnneB TA-S: That could make someone want to hide in the bed waiting for the next day! Only you'd have to be at home to do that... Margaret N: fortunately, once I had walked, the support centre gave a one bus ticket in order to get home AnneB TA-S: One good thing then. Hope it improved when you got home? AnneB TA-S: BRB - I forgot about making my tatting-class cup of tea. Margaret N: after I had a good long discussion with an long-time mentor Margaret N: but I did absolutely nothing for the rest of the day AnneB TA-S: Yupp - someday it is best stop doing things. Hop today behaved better? Cynthia from x.x.x.211 joined the chat 79 minutes ago Cynthia: Hi everyone Margaret it sounds like you had a rough day yesterday Cynthia: I hope today has been better Margaret N: yes, did you get my note that yesterday had been 'interesting'? Cynthia: not yet but I just got home and made sure all the links work for today....I like to do that earlier but had a dr appt this morning Cynthia: I did read what you said here tho Margaret N: it was on Yahoo IM Margaret N: I haven't had a chance to practise with the beads AnneB TA-S: Hi Cynthia! Every second email I send to you these days are stopped. In the last one I was telling I would try to be present today... Cynthia: I didn't even sign in to it...my daughter fixed the computer and left my IM on sign in not sign in automatically when I sign into yahoo Margaret N: when I was looking for my disappearing pencil for smocking, I found several different sized and shaped beads so at least I have something with whcih to work Cynthia: hmmmmmmm try my other addy....brb I'll get it for you...that seems to be working better the last few days Margaret N: is Georgia coming today? Margaret N: so far it looks like it is just the three of us -- I get lots of tutorial time Cynthia: tattingaway@gmail.com is my gmail addy and it has been getting thru... Flupigirl from x.x.x.7 joined the chat 73 minutes ago Cynthia: hi Margaret N: hi Flupi Flupigirl: Hi everyone! Flupigirl: Hi Margaret. Cynthia: see Margaret you aren't alone... Margaret N: not now Cynthia: brb....dog wants out Margaret N: before we start on beads, I have Katia's fan pattern open an another window Flupigirl: I almost thought I had to join the 9 o'clock class, but glad I didn't have to. Flupigirl: oo tired at that time to think about beads with tatting. AnneB TA-S: I'll switch from your yahoo to gmail then :-) Margaret N: since I have only worked split chains in that horrible tutorial, is it possilbe for me to do split chains the same way in Katia's fan? AnneB TA-S: Hi Fluppi! Flupigirl: Margaret, you tried the fan? Margaret N: not yet. Margaret N: in the fan, it says to do 10 split chain in a row. but in the tree, three were done in one direction and three in the other so in the fan, do I do five and five? Flupigirl: I tried it, but gave up. I must not be able to read dorections very well. I couldn't figure out if I was holding the thread right or not. Margaret N: are you shuttle or needle, Flupi? Flupigirl: I am shuttle. Margaret N: I am needle Flupigirl: I can do a little with a needle. AnneB TA-S: I'm in a split chain denial. Flupigirl: I can chain and do a ring but that is about it. Margaret N: Anne, do you know if Georgia is coming today? AnneB TA-S: I have made on 6 times (12 if you count those I untatted) Flupigirl: I tried a snowflake with beads this week, but the pattern is wrong. Margaret N: I have done split rings in pattern in shuttle and can do them in a row in both shuttle and needle AnneB TA-S: No, I don't know. Cynthia: I don't know...if Georgia will be here or not AnneB TA-S: Split rings I love :-) Cynthia: which pattern Flu? Flupigirl: I put beads on my thread and started the pattern only to find out that the pattern is wrong. Margaret N: Cynthia, do you know about that split chain fan for needle? Flupigirl: I told you about it this week. Cynthia: some but needle split chains are so much easier... Margaret N: for split chain on needle, at least with the tree, I did half, then unthreaded the needle, turned it and continued Flupigirl: I don't want to hash through it again. Cynthia: I know but I don't have the info at hand right no...sorry AnneB TA-S: Which pattern did you try, Fluppi? Margaret N: I was just wondering if in the fan, on needle, do you have to do five ds, unthread, etc. then continue with the remaining 5 ds for every time she calls for 10 split chain Flupigirl: The pattern is the Sharon Briggs' snowflake. It is a link to a "how to bead" tutorial that is on Lesson Five. Flupigirl: No problem, Cynthia. I think peoplw ought to know so that they don't try it and waste their time. Cynthia: yes Margaret...to unthread just from the eye and turn the work so the needle is facing the way you need add the stitches onto the eye end, rethread and pull thru Flupigirl: I think I am going to try Jane Eborall's pattern. Does anyone know if that is without errors? Mimi-TS from x.x.x.11 joined the chat 63 minutes ago Mimi-TS: Good afternoon/evening Mimi-TS: Sorry I'm late (busy phones and I lost track of time). I need to go cook my lunch then I'll be back AnneB TA-S: Hi Mimi! Cynthia: I've done Jane's patterns and I don;t remember any errors in them...Sharon Briggs seldom has errors in her patterns Cynthia: I'll try to contact her and see what's up AnneB TA-S: Sorry Flupi, I have not tested that one yet. I did decide on making Jane's pattern, but other projects popped ut. Cynthia: brb AnneB TA-S: ut=up Flupigirl: The pattern tells you how many beads to put on each shuttle. Flupigirl: I did that and began to tat but then the pattern called for the wrong size bead. Mimi said their looked like a mistake in the pattern. Margaret N: hi, Mimi Cynthia from x.x.x.211 joined the chat 57 minutes ago Flupigirl: When you put the beads in between ds, is there suppose to be an empty string either on top, under, or behind your beads? Cynthia: sorry the part in the computer that controls the power just blinked out...again and messed up Cynthia: yes there is Flupigirl: That is what I did. Cynthia: a thread behind/under the beads Cynthia: the shuttle thread goes thru the bead and the loom/hand thread is under or behind the bead Cynthia: does that make sense? Flupigirl: Yeah! However, it doesn't look like that on Sharon's snowflake. Hers look like they are on a picot. Cynthia: I tried counting out the beads and didn't find a problem...I could have misses it tho Cynthia: lsome of them are Cynthia: WE NEED TO GET SIGNED IN AND GET STARTED...SORRY MY COMPUTER IS DOING WEIRD THINGS Flupigirl: Yeah, that makes sense to me, but one of my small bead. large bead, small bead grouping (with the thread underneath) doesn't look good. Cynthia: CYNTHIA STEVENSON STILLWATER ok usa brasthatfit@yahoo.com and tattingaway@gmail.com AnneB TA-S: Anne Bruvold, Tromsų, Norway solurab @ online.no Mimi-TS: Mimi Dillman, ntrop@ix.netcom.com, Snohomish WA Flupigirl: PattyBaranski@hotmail.com Soddy-Daisy, Tn. Cynthia from x.x.x.211 changed name to Cynthia T-SN 52 minutes ago AnneB TA-S: Warning first: I have never done tatting with beads, but it looks like the beads on the chain and floating rings are on the picots Mimi-TS: That's right, same with the rings - all are on the picots Flupigirl: Which pattern is that Anne? Mimi-TS: The error I saw was in stringing AnneB TA-S: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/beads.html Flupigirl: I think I am really confused now. Margaret N: Margaret I. Boos, London, ON, CANADA, needle, maggiep54@sympatico.ca Mimi-TS: To get a bead on a picot, the bead must be on the thread that is over your left hand, not the shuttle Flupigirl: OooHHH!!! Cynthia T-SN: Patty don't panic we will walk thru one set of beads and it will make more sense Mimi-TS: oooh I love lightbulbs Margaret N: Mimi, when you are done talking about beads with a shuttle, I have a question about the split chain fan pattern re doing it with a needle Mimi-TS: OK margaret AnneB TA-S: Those between the rings and chains and at the closing point of the rings seems to be on the core thread/shuttle thread Cynthia T-SN: I think Patty just made a discovery.... Mimi-TS: That's right Ann Flupigirl: Ok. I will be quiet and listen. Thank you Thank you, Thank you. Cynthia T-SN: the beads are on both Flupigirl: Wait I have to try it first. Mimi-TS: You will need to drop off a bead from the appropriate place - shuttle 1 or 2 - to put those in place. Let me get the pattern back up Margaret N: I didn't know how to follow Sharon's snowfalke pattern when working with the needle. do I need two needles? AnneB TA-S: Oh-no - now I feel I have tot tat this to see how it works ... why does projects keep popping up everywhere? Mimi-TS: For those not following yet, we're on page http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/beads.html Mimi-TS: You have to scroll down to the "Beaded Snowflake" Mimi-TS: This is the snowflake with the gold-toned beads Mimi-TS: There are 2 sizes of beads (gee thanks just what you want as a beginner right? :)) Mimi-TS: But you can do it with all the same size beads and it will still look nice Mimi-TS: She gives 2 versions, long and short notation Margaret N: and pictures Mimi-TS: For both, it looked to me liekt he stringing pattern for shuttle 1 was off Mimi-TS: At least, when I looked at the diagram and photos Mimi-TS: The pattern starts with one of the inside rings made wiht shuttle 1 Margaret N: I have not bought any beads yet but did find a motley assortment of them on my sewing shelves Mimi-TS: To accomplish that pattern, you need to be able to slide down 2 small beads, 1 large, and 2 small from the shuttle before starting the ring Mimi-TS: Bing! That means that the final set of beads to be strung on shuttle 1 needs to end in 2 small beads, not 3 Mimi-TS: (because you have to string the beads in hte reverse order from how you will use them) Mimi-TS: So my suggestion to Patty was to change the shuttle 1 stringing order to 4 sm, 1 lg, (3 sm, 1 lg 3 sm) 4 times, then 3 sm, 1 lg, 4 sm Cynthia T-SN: ah ha that is one problem Cynthia T-SN: I personally think this patter is a bit challenging for beginners....anyone else? Mimi-TS: There was alos a typo in the longhand instructions Mimi-TS: That started a ring with a bead - that is incorrect, ignore that first bead Mimi-TS: It is pretty advanced Mimi-TS: BUT Mimi-TS: We have smart gals here Mimi-TS: And possibly guys reading somewhere Flupigirl: Maybe we can just try to get a bead on a picot. AnneB TA-S: I think I'd rather start with Jane's star if I was a freshman in tatting. Mimi-TS: This pattern has plenty of those! Mimi-TS: What's that URL Anne, we can look and walk through it Cynthia T-SN: I AGREE MIMI AND I AGREE WITH ANNE ABOUT JANE'S STAR TO START Margaret N: what do I do with the needle? sorry, MIMI but I would like to learn what to do with beads Mimi-TS: To put any beads on picots, you will need to slide those beads down the thread so that they meet your work or needle at the spot you will make the picot AnneB TA-S: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/Snowflake2004.pdf Cynthia T-SN: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/Motif7.pdf Mimi-TS: They will lie on top of the line of DS's Mimi-TS: If you're doing a true ring, this is a little bit tricky Mimi-TS: Because you have to slide the beads to be inside the ring's thread before you make your first ds Cynthia T-SN: OK THE OTHER ONE. USE THE 2004 SNOWFLAKE Flupigirl: So if you have to carry the beads in your left hand? Mimi-TS: They will either hang down on the thread coming from the eye of the needle, or the thread that is overy our hand if you're hsuttle tatting Mimi-TS: that's right patty Mimi-TS: I find that I am happiest if I can put those beads on the thread that's after my middle finger and before my pinky Mimi-TS: Then they are easy to reach for and pull Cynthia T-SN: YOU ONLY BRING THE BEADS YOU NEED FOR THE ELEMENT UP TO THE LEFT HAND. Cynthia T-SN: i LEARNED THAT THE HARD WAY THE FIRST BEADS i TRIED...LOL Mimi-TS: It takes soem patience Mimi-TS: And "count twice close once" really applies Margaret N: should I put some beads on a ball and some on the needle thread after I thread the needle? Mimi-TS: It's more like count twice before you start! Cynthia T-SN: THE BEADS YOU WILL USE LATER CAN STAY DOWN BY THE BALL OR AT THE SHUTTLE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR PATTERNS Flupigirl: If I were to have a ring 5 ds picot with bead, before I start the ring the bead has to be in my left hand? Margaret N: remember, my beads are a motley assortmen Mimi-TS: For needle tatters you will only put beads on the needle rarely Cynthia T-SN: FOR NEEDLE IF THEY GO ON THE CENTER THREAD JUST PICK THEM UP AS NEEDED WITH THE NEEDLE. Margaret N: so where do I put them? Mimi-TS: exactly cynthia, ball thread Mimi-TS: any that you need on the core thread you pick up with the needle from a tray as you go Mimi-TS: that's right patty Margaret N: I am lost and I haven't even strung any beads yet Mimi-TS: Just make sure it's out of the way of your thread flipping Cynthia T-SN: BRAIN BLANK i COULDN'T THINK OF BALL THREAD...DUH...i NEED HELP Cynthia T-SN: mARGARET i CAN WALK YOU THRU WITH THE NEEDLE Mimi-TS: Anne suggested we look at http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/Snowflake2004.pdf Mimi-TS: Has everyone got a copy of this one now? Margaret N: I am making a tray for my beads Cynthia T-SN: ON JANE EBORALL'S SNOWFLAKE YOUR FIRST RING IS THE CENTER RING AND YOU WILL ADD THE BEADS ONTO THE PICOT Flupigirl: I have my 5 ds. What do I do now? Mimi-TS: Push the bead from where it lies now around the thread until it's right next to the last ds made Mimi-TS: Then make a ds to lock in the bead(picot) Cynthia T-SN: THE TUTORIIAL IS ON THIS N TAT...http://www.thisntat.com/bead_lessons1.html Flupigirl: I'm there. Mimi-TS: Does it look like a bead on a picot now? Mimi-TS: In Jane's beaded snowflake Mimi-TS: The center motif has beaded joins Mimi-TS: No beads need to be threaded in advance for those Flupigirl: I have to make another ds, right/ Mimi-TS: Right patty Mimi-TS: The beads that will go on the joins should be left loose Cynthia T-SN: THEY ARE DIFFERENT FROM BEADS ON THE SHUTTLE OR BALL THREADS Margaret N: I am going to try to start Jane's snowflake Margaret N: do I put any beads on the ball thread? Mimi-TS: Hang on Cynthia T-SN: GREAT mARGARET...ONCE YOU HAVE THE CENTER RING LET ME KNOW Mimi-TS: Are those joins between the ringsa t the sides, or are they loose? Mimi-TS: Darn small photo Margaret N: do I have to have any beads anywhere before I start to tat? Flupigirl: How many different techniques for beads are there in this pattern / Cynthia T-SN: TJE BEADS NEED TO GO ON YOUR BALL THREAD Mimi-TS: No they are joined I"m ok Cynthia T-SN: 2 BEADING PATTERNS Cynthia T-SN: TECHNIQUES Mimi-TS: You will margaret but we are looking ovwer the pattern first to understand wher ethe beads are to determine what should be strung firsty Mimi-TS: Beading takes planning, and you may spend more time planning and stringnig than tatting Cynthia T-SN: MY COMPUTER KEEPS GOING BLACK THEN BACK AND i LOSE PARTS... Flupigirl: I think I just did the picot one. Mimi-TS: Yay! Mimi-TS: Sorry Cynthia, the Yay was for Patty ;) Cynthia T-SN: IT HAS A GLITCH IN THE POWER SYSTEM AND WE ARE WAITING FOR THE PART! Mimi-TS: The outer part of the snowflake Flupigirl: Thanks Mimi. Mimi-TS: Has beads that are dropped in place at hte first part of the chains Cynthia T-SN: I FIGURED IT WASN'T FOR MY COMPUTER...LOL...i'D SAY YEA TO pATTIY TOO Mimi-TS: And others are used are the beaded picots that we are beginning to recognize Flupigirl: Thanks Cynthia! Mimi-TS: For those 2nd 2 types of bead placements, I'd put them all on shuttle 2 (the one that acts as the ball for needle tatters) Cynthia T-SN: ADDING BEADS TO A JOIN ISN'T AS TRICKY AS IT SEEMS AT FIRST...AND ONCE YOU GET THE PICOT BEADS IT IS A SNAP Mimi-TS: There aer 7 per repeat Mimi-TS: And 6 repeats Mimi-TS: That's 42 beads strung Flupigirl: The second type of technique in this pattern is the beaded join? Mimi-TS: Jane says string 48 beads Mimi-TS: I'm not sure why Cynthia T-SN: PLUS 6 BEADS UNSTRUNG Mimi-TS: That's right patty AnneB TA-S: Hm. The photo seems to be missing the beads on the chains... Mimi-TS: I think that's more likely Cynthia Mimi-TS: Right at the base of the ring, you drop a bead Mimi-TS: Rings #10 and #11, see instructions Mimi-TS: Please let me know if I read it wrong, this is my first time through Cynthia T-SN: NO THAT IS RIGHT AND THE BEADS DON'T SHOW UP ON THE PICTURE Mimi-TS: Earlier Cynthia gave this link: http://www.thisntat.com/bead_lessons1.html Mimi-TS: This link shows how to make a beaded join Mimi-TS: for shuttle tatters Mimi-TS: this is the same technique that can be used in the center of the snowflake Cynthia T-SN: i'VE DONE THIS SNOWFLAKE WITH EITHER 48 OR 42 PLUS 6 Mimi-TS: Do you use all 48 Cynthia? Cynthia T-SN: I DO THE BEADED JOIN THE SAME WAY WITH THE NEEDLE... Margaret N: I have closed the first ring. Was I supposed to have beads on my ball thread first? Mimi-TS: Really, that's good! Mimi-TS: Of the 2004 Snowflake Margaret? No Margaret N: oh good Cynthia T-SN: i DIDN'T BUT AS i REMEMBER i DROPPED THE NEEDLE AND HAD TO REFIND THEM... Mimi-TS: oops runaway beads! Mimi-TS: Are you still there Anne? AnneB TA-S: yes Mimi-TS: Still following? Cynthia T-SN: SO NOW AM NOT SURE HOW MANY BEADS i ACTUALLY USED.... Margaret N: I made a tray for my motley assortment of beads -- cut the top half off an empty box of kleenex AnneB TA-S: Thinking on beads on SCMRs Flupigirl: I have done a mock picot when making another ring, is this the same way? Mimi-TS: That works well. If you don't want them to roll, then you can line it with felt or better yet, something with a nap (velvet or that blanket material that has a nap) Margaret N: fleece? Cynthia T-SN: YES Mimi-TS: Actually beads on SCMR's are pretty easy in my opinion Mimi-TS: Becuase SCMR is a chain folded back to make a ring Mimi-TS: So you don't have to pull any beads off of shuttle 2 in advance of starting an SCMR The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Thu Feb 26 21:13:12 2009 GMT (165 KB) Page 4 of 4 - Char 153644 to 169691 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ Margaret N: which is what I usually do with ball and needle Mimi-TS: BUT Mimi-TS: If you're doing a ring off the SCMR Mimi-TS: A ring that includes beads that is AnneB TA-S: That is what I was thinking about Mimi-TS: You will have to pull off enough beads from Shuttle 2 to bead the picots of that ring Margaret N: just to let you all know, my 81 year-old walking partner is coming just after 4 as it is gorgeous weather here -- 5C (aobut 43F) Mimi-TS: In this case Ring #9 is an SCMR with a ring thrown off (floating off). It's the ring iwth the arrow in it Mimi-TS: I wish she'd numbered it! AnneB TA-S: And I', thingkin on the number of beads. Cynthia T-SN: AND JUST THE SINGLE RING YOU ARE WOKEING ON Mimi-TS: Anyway "arrow ring" has 3 beaded picots Mimi-TS: So after you have tatted the first 4-b-4 of #9 SCMR Mimi-TS: You will drop shuttle 1 and use Shuttle 2 only Mimi-TS: Before you start the ring, you must pull 3 beads from shuttle 2 Mimi-TS: And put them on the thread that is over your left hand - the trhead from pinch to shuttle will have no beads AnneB TA-S: I believe there is one missing in Fig 2, on ring 7. Then there is 8 beads times 6 plus the 6 for 1st row. Mimi-TS: Tat 4 ds, then pull a bead from behind your hand down to the 4th ds, then make 4 more ds's close to the bead - no floppiness in the beaded picot allowed :) AnneB TA-S: one bead that is Flupigirl: I am lost, but it is ok. Mimi-TS: Then pull a bead around, then 4 more ds, another bead, 4 ds, close Flupigirl: How do you know to use shuttle two there? Mimi-TS: Yes exactly, only 1 of the 3 beads, leaving 2 still behind the hand Mimi-TS: Because if you use shuttle 1 you could never close your scmr Mimi-TS: A ring off an scmr is the same thing as a ring off a chain Margaret N: Cynthia, after I have done the first ring, what do I do? AnneB TA-S: You have to use shuttle two as it is a ring floating on a SCMR Mimi-TS: When you make a ring off a chain, you change to the shuttle over your left hand (shuttle 2) to maek the ring Margaret N: will we carry on a separate conversation from Mimi's directions to Anne and Patty? Cynthia T-SN: sSURE MARGARET... Cynthia T-SN: MARGARET WOULD IT BE EASIER AFTER THEIS EVEVNING'S CLASS? Cynthia T-SN: i COULD DO IT WITH MY NEEDLE AT THE SAME TIME...IT MIGHT BE EASIER TJAT WAY Margaret N: after that first ring, do i do a tear drop and SLT? Margaret N: if I get the split ring made, then the next thing is to add a bead at a picot or something AnneB TA-S: Ok Mimi: for the SCMR and floating ring: would it be correct if I treat it as Chain - Ring - Cahin when it comes to handeling the beade? Mimi-TS: Any other questions from Anne or Patty about the snowflake? Flupigirl: Margaret knows what she is doing? Flupigirl: I am confused right now, but it is because I have to start it. Mimi-TS: Exactly, Anne!!! Mimi-TS: Sometimes it takes having shuttles in hand making the motions. Mimi-TS: And the stitches :) Mimi-TS: Me, I airtat a lot Cynthia T-SN: i MAY BE LOST mARGARET AnneB TA-S: Guess the Knotty garden and the 1912 EB book restoration have to wait - I just have to test this Mimi-TS: Which means: I can still goof Flupigirl: I still have the other beads and thread on my shuttle now because I was hoping to practice before I cut it off. Mimi-TS: So please let me know if what I've typed here today turns out to be incorrect Cynthia T-SN: IT HAS BEEN MAKING SENSE TO ME... Cynthia T-SN: MARGARET CAN YOU STAY AWHILE? Mimi-TS: Luckily you're a fast tatter, Anne, so you won't delay the others much AnneB TA-S: And I'll be stringing 48 beads... Mimi-TS: AND you can add beads to the restoration stuff :)) Mimi-TS: Ah, that reminds me, I have to tell you what my favorite beading needle is Cynthia T-SN: BEADS ARE FUN ONCE YOU GET THE HANG OF THEM.... Mimi-TS: It's my dental floss threader! Mimi-TS: It fits through beads as small as size 11 and delicas too Mimi-TS: I've even gotten it through size 15's that had large holes and tatting with size 80 Mimi-TS: I always have them with me since I use them as thread loopers for the magic thread trick Mimi-TS: And they're easy to see when I drop them on the carpte Mimi-TS: carpet Mimi-TS: And DH doesn't complain if he steps on one :) Flupigirl: Is this pattern with out errors? Cynthia T-SN: MARGARET ARE YOU STILL WITH US? Flupigirl: Jane's pattern? Cynthia T-SN: i DIDN'T FIND ANY PATTY Mimi-TS: Patty other than the # of beads to sting at the beginning I didn't notice any Mimi-TS: I'd go ahead and use her number, you can always pull them off later Mimi-TS: When you are doing beads all of the same size and color, it's ok to have more strung just in case Cynthia T-SN: YES JANE'S PATTERN....AND YES YOU NEED 48 THE PICTURE DOESN'T SHOW ALL THE BEADS.... Mimi-TS: That's why! The diagram has a problem? AnneB TA-S: And I think the diagram is missing a bead on ring 7. Cynthia T-SN: NOT THE DIAGRAM BUT THE YELLOW PICTURE...i THINK IT MAY BE DIFFERENT Mimi-TS: Thanks Anne I just saw that Flupigirl: When you do a beaded picot, the bead is from the shuttle two thread? Cynthia T-SN: YOU PUT IT ON AT THE END Mimi-TS: Well I guess it's time to write to Jane, mystery solved Mimi-TS: You can Cynthia but you risk not having hte bead for the 2nd repeat Mimi-TS: and so on Mimi-TS: Yes it is Patty Mimi-TS: IF Mimi-TS: you're making a chain Mimi-TS: If you're making a ring Mimi-TS: You have only 1 thread Margaret N: now I am at ring 2 waiting to add that bead Margaret N: and Felicia will be here soon Mimi-TS: That's why you have to get the beads on the thread that is behind your hand Mimi-TS: inside before the pinch Margaret N: what do I do? I want to have added at least one bead Mimi-TS: So that you can pull them against the work as needed Cynthia T-SN: THOSE BEADS ARE JOIN BEADS....LOOK AT THE THIS N TAT TUTORIAL AND THE YAW Mimi-TS: Beaded join margaret Flupigirl: If you are making a chain or a ring the beads are where? Mimi-TS: Different places Mimi-TS: Can't make a generalization Mimi-TS: except to say they come from over the hand Flupigirl: But you could have beads on your shuttle one hand also. Cynthia T-SN: WAY i DO THEM BY MAKING SURE THE PICOT IS LONG ENOUGH TO GO THRU THE BEAD DOUBLED PLUS ENOUGH TO GET YOUR NEEDLE THRU Margaret N: must go. Felicia will be knocking at my door downstairs and I will still be here tatting and typing Cynthia T-SN: OK MARGARET WHEN CAN WE WORK ON THIS? Mimi-TS: That's right. If you've already started tatting your ring, those will be on the core thread, and when you make a ds after, a thread will be over the top of the bead Flupigirl: You wouldn't do a beaded picot with shuttle one? Margaret N: I did n't know I had to have a certain size of picot to do beads ont Margaret N: onto Mimi-TS: You can but you must get the beads off shuttle 1 before you start the ring Mimi-TS: If your desired ring has 3 beaded picots, before you start the ring, slide 3 beads off the shuttle Cynthia T-SN: YES AS THE BEAD WILL GO OVER THE JOIN...IF THJEY AREN'T BIG ENOUGH i CAN WALK YOU THRU ADJUSTING THE JOIN TO MAKE IT WORK Margaret N: not tonight. I haven't tatted my butterfly for the exchange and it must be mailed tomorrow at the very latest Cynthia T-SN: HOW ABOUT OVER THE WEEKEND? Mimi-TS: Push the beads so that they are on the ring thread before the pinch, not between the pinch and the shuttel Flupigirl: Ok. I will have to unload my two shuttles and start this pattern. I will endeavor to persevere. Mimi-TS: Please do, it makes more sense once you've made beaded picots on a chain Flupigirl: Thank you Cynthia and Mimi. Mimi-TS: Then you know what you need to do Mimi-TS: and can work out how to keep teh beads where they will be available Margaret N: whenever we connect, Cynthia, and I doubt I will be at class tonight Mimi-TS: I need to excuse myself too, people ar3e coming back from lunch Cynthia T-SN: WOULD TOMORROW NIGHT WORK Margaret N: Mimi, I will email you with that question about split chains in Katia's fan Cynthia T-SN: BYE MIMI Mimi-TS: Thanks for coming I hope you're getting more understanding of beads in tattnig Margaret N from x.x.x.193 left the chat 3 minutes ago Mimi-TS: It's a very big subject Mimi-TS: Nina Libin has pretty much made it her life's work Mimi-TS: and she hasn't run out of ideas yet Cynthia T-SN: MIMI i THINK mARGARET WILL GET IT JUST NOW SHE IS STILL A BIT FLUSTERED ATH THE PROBLEMS FROM YESTERDAY AnneB TA-S: Bye Mimi! I now have the beads, next: thread... Mimi-TS: http://www.beanile.com Cynthia T-SN: AND IF THINGS DON'T WORK THE FIRST TIME....PANIC Mimi-TS: Good bye all, see you tonight Cynthia Mimi-TS: Hee hee cynthia Cynthia T-SN: SEE YOU TONIGHT MIMI Mimi-TS: don't forget after panic to fling beads everywhere :)) Mimi-TS: cats love it Mimi-TS: Bye for now Mimi-TS from x.x.x.11 left the chat 95 seconds ago