AKTATTER: Now your log can start fresh for the beginners class.
Cynthia: Did you warn us?
Shanan: Shanan Strode Shanans3bs@yahoo.com Charleston, IL
Cynthia: My daughter was talking...
AKTATTER: I just wanted to stop by and encourage everyone to go look at the 2009 lesson index
AKTATTER: I have just posted some ne homework.
AKTATTER: Wally Sosa sent in her version of Mary Maynard's heart from Superbowl Sunday
AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/2009index.html
Cynthia: that monthly thing--brain went blank--sorry is fun and looks like most of us can handle it
Shanan: pretty dragon!
AKTATTER: it i sblue and so beautful
Shanan: AK I sent you an e-mail this week about the restoration prject
AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/wallysmarymblueheart.jpg
AKTATTER: yes I see it in the box thanks
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AKTATTER: ok now enjoy the class
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Cynthia: Thanks Gerogia
Shanan: Buy AK
Cynthia: make that Georgia...lol   my typing gets worse
Shanan: LOL
Shanan: That blue heart is so pretty in blue!!!!
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Cynthia: WELCOME  ANNE , I SEE SHANAN AND i THOUGHT FLUPIEGIRL WAS HERE TOO AND MOW BARB TOO
Shanan: That didn;t make sense did it lol
Cynthia: HAS ANYONE TRIED TODAY'S LESSON...
kempbarb: Barbara Jarvis kempbarb@embarqmail.com  Dallas,TX
AnneB: Hi all - was a bit late this evening
Cynthia: WE CAN CHAT A BIT YET BEFORE CLASS GETS GOING
Shanan: Flupi was here
AnneB: Anne Bruvold, Tromsų, Norway
Flupigirl: I am here. PattyBaranski@hotmail.com Soddy-Daisy, TN.
AnneB: and solurab@online.no - forgot that part
Cynthia: I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF ANYONE HAD TRIED THE LESSON YET OR  IS EVERYONE WAITING FOR INSTRUCTIONS

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*breathless* Hello I made it!
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Flupigirl: I tried the red basket. I got stuck after the first round.
Cynthia: HI TIA   SCROLL DOWN AND YOU SHOULD SEE A JOIN CHAT TAB,,,
Flupigirl: Actually, I got stuck with the first round. but persisted and I think that I have it.
Cynthia: CLICK ON IT AND YOU WILL BE HERE WITH A NAME
Tia: got it!
Cynthia: WELCOME
Flupigirl: Hi Tia.
Shanan: Hi there
Tia: hello, I am new to the class so I dont have anything done, wanted to pop in & say Hello :)
Shanan: glad you are here
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AnneB: I'm figting with my windows - BRB
Cynthia: WELCOME TIA  WE ARE ON LESSON 3- YOU ARE WELCOME TO SIT IN AND LEARN
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Cynthia: I GOT HOME LATE AND NEED TO OPEN MY STUFF
Tia: ok I will be quiet today cause I am actually at work....*shhhhhhh* ;)
Mimi: I'M AT WORK TOO TIA!
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Linda-S: Hello
Shanan: I'm working on gettingthe links up
Cynthia: LET'S SIGN IN AND GET STARTED
Cynthia: CYNTHIA  STEVENSON BRASTHATFIT@YAHOO.COM  STILLWATER OK USA
AnneB: Anne Bruvold, Tromsų, Norway, solurab@online.no
Linda-S: Linda Harrington, l_m_harrington@yahoo.com, Largo, MD
Flupigirl: PattyBaranski@hotmail.com Soddy-Daisy, TN.
Mimi: MIMI DILLMAN, NTROP@IX.NETCOM.COM EVERETT WA
Shanan: Shanan Strode Shanans3bs@yahoo.com Charleston, IL
Tia: Tia Dixon teedle77@yahoo.com Punxsutawney, PA
Cynthia: WELCOME EVERYONE WE ARE ON LESSON 3...I MISSED LAST WEEK DUE TO POWER ISSUES
kempbarb: Barbara Jarvis kempbarb@embarqmail.com Dallas,TX
Cynthia: DOES ANYONE HAAVE QUESTIONS LEFT OVER FROM LAST WEEK?
Shanan: I don't think so
Flupigirl: I still don't seem to be able to open a ring if I need to, but no big deal, I just start over.
Linda-S: I do.
Cynthia: WHAT LINDA?
Linda-S: I'm tatting the Lacy Lace-Free Pattern by Beverly Elrod.  I'm fine with the RW
Linda-S: but my lace is starting to curve.  Shouldn't it be straight?  I'm wondering if I'm having problems with the join.
Mimi: wHAT'S THE URL LINDA? I DON'T RECALL SEEING THE LACE?
Cynthia: i DIDN'T GET MY PAGES INTO THE NOTEBOOK AND I'M HAVING TO FIND IT...LOL
Linda-S: I can't find it right now.  Will keep searching and hopefully, have it by the end.
Mimi: GENTLE CURVES CAN BE BLOCKED OUT, BUT MORE STEEP CURVES MEAN A NEED TO MAKE LARGER/SMALLER JOINING PICOTS AND/OR CHANGE THREAD SIZE
Mimi: POSSIBLY EVEN ADD A FEW DS'S INTO THE PORTIONS OF THE PATTERN ON THE INSIDE OF THE CURVE TO CORRECT
AnneB: pattern, no picture: http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art60429.asp
AnneB: looking for more
Linda-S: I have a gentle curve so I think I'll be OK.  I thought blocking might help.  Thanks!
Mimi: THANKS ANNE!
Shanan: Aren't all the joining pecos going to be snugged up against the existing P?
Linda-S: Thanks ann!
Mimi: YES SHANNAN, BUT THE LENGTH OF THE PICOT BEFORE THE JOIN CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE
Shanan: I can't spell today, sorry
Mimi: IN THIS CASE I'M GUESSING THAT THE LACE CURVES MOST AT THE CHAIN PORTION
Shanan: ok
Linda-S: Maybe I'll try making a little larger picot
Mimi: ALSO,THE RINGS ARE A BIT TOP-HEAVY
Mimi: 4 DS BELOW AND 5 DS ABOVE THE MIDDLE OF THE RING
Mimi: SO THAT COULD BE THE REASON FOR CURVATURE.
Linda-S: Maybe I'm pulling my rings too tight?
Mimi: I'D BE TEMPTED TO DO 4DS P 3 DS P 1 DS LP 1 DS P 3DS P 4 DS TO EVEN IT OUT
Mimi: BUT I'M A SYMMETRY FANATIC :)
Linda-S: I'll play with it a little.  Mimi-I'll try that too.  Thanks!
Cynthia: THAT IS POSSIBLE BUT MORE LIKELY THE CHAINS ARE TOO TIGHT
Flupigirl: What is LP?
Mimi: YOU ARE THE ARTIST, SO MAKE IT HOW IT WORKS BEST FOR YOU! LITTLE CHANGES LIKE THIS ARE EASY TO APPLY PARTICULARLY ON SINGLE-ROW STRAIGHT LACES
Cynthia: LONG PICOT
Flupigirl: That i swhat I thought> Thanks.
Mimi: PATTY I USED "LP" TO DESIGNAT THE LONGER PICOT IN THE MIDDLE
Flupigirl: May I ask about the red heart basket?
Mimi: OF THE 3 PICOTS AT THE TOP OF THE RING IN THE PATTERN
Cynthia: YES
Linda-S: OK.  I got it now.  Thanks for your help!
Flupigirl: Thanks, Mimi.
Cynthia: WHAT IS THE PROBLEM PATY?
Flupigirl: When the pattern asks you to switch the thread by makihng a single knot,
Flupigirl: so that the shuttle thread and the ball thread are on the other side of each other
Cynthia: THAT IS ALSO CALLED THE SHOE LACE TRICK
Flupigirl: the threads are swapped.
Flupigirl: The pattern says to chain 6-6-6.
Shanan: I have never figured that out yet.  Do you tie a square knot?
Flupigirl: If I am right, my shuttle is now in my left hand and ball in right
Flupigirl: where do I begin my chain?
Cynthia: NO JUST THE FIRST HALF OF A SQUARE KNOT
Flupigirl: I only did a single knot, Shanan.
Cynthia: LIKE THE CROSS YOU MAKE WHEN STARTING TO TIE A SHOE LACE
Mimi: is there a SLT in this pattern? Where Patty?
Shanan: OH!  OK, but how to keep it from slipping around? Just tatt over the ends?
Flupigirl: So good so far, but then what?
Cynthia: YOU DON'T CUT IF OFF   SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ENDS YET
Flupigirl: This Patten is from the homework page.
Cynthia: MIMI ABOUT 6 LINES DOWN FROM THE PICTURE
Flupigirl: It is Rosemarie's Heart Pattern.
Shanan: Ok, I think I am starting to understand
Flupigirl: I have the swapping of the threads correct, but I don't know which htread to chain on.
Cynthia: IT CALLS IT A SINGLE KNOT
Mimi: got it thanks
Cynthia: THE BALL THREAD GOES OVER YOUR HAND...DOES THAT MAKE SENSE
Flupigirl: I made my single knot. The shuttle is in my left hand now.
Mimi: IT'S THE SAME AS YOU ALWAYS DO YOUR CHAIN - DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE CHAIN WILL ARCH DIFFERENTLY AWAY FROM THE RING
Flupigirl: I get what you are telling me, but by making a single know, my shuttle is now in my left hand.
AnneB: You probably have to rewerse the work too
Tia: can i get the link to the homework page?
Flupigirl: Let me try to reverse.
Mimi: TODAY'S LESSON IS http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson3.html
Cynthia: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters then lesson 3
Cynthia: WE HAVE HAD WEIRD POWER ISSUES AND I DIDN'T GET THE PAGES INDEXED...SO I HAVE TO LOOK
Mimi: THE HEART UNDER DISCUSSION IS http://www.ringoftatters.org.uk/seasonal/valentine/rpheart.html
Mimi: INTENDED FOR PRACTICE WITH LOCK JOINS
Mimi: IT DOES HAVE THAT STRANGE BIT AT THE END OF RING D
Mimi: WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO SOME THINGS TO REPOSITION THE THREADS AND WORK
Mimi: SO THAT YOU CAN BET THE CHAIN AFTER RING D TO ARCH BACK IN THE SAME DIRECTION THE PREVIOUS ONE DID
Mimi: YOU WILL STILL NEED TO TAT THE USUAL WAY, WITH THE SHUTTLE IN YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THE BALL THREAD OVER THE TOP OF YOUR LEFT HAND
Mimi: SO WHEN YOU CLOSE RING D
Mimi: YOU WILL DO THE "SHOE LACE TRICK"
Flupigirl: that may have been the trick. Just to reverse. I will try to 6-6-6 and see what happens. Thanks Anne.
Mimi: THEN REPOSITION THE WORK SO THAT YOU CAN USE THE SHUTTLE AND BALL THREADS AS USUAL
Mimi: NO NEED TO LEARN LEFT HANDED TATTING (YET)
Mimi: <--- hasn't needed to in 26 years of tatting...
Cynthia: IT DOESN'T HAVE WHERE TO REVERSE WORK...BUT THE COMMON CONVENTION IS GOING FROM A RING TO CHAIN TO RING YOU REVERSE UNLESS THE DIRECTIONS TELL YOU OTHERWISE
Mimi: I WISH I HAD MY SHUTTLES WITH ME! BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU DO THE SLT AFTER CLOSING THE RING, NO RW NEEDED
Cynthia: THE SLT =SHOE LACE TRICK JUST MAKES A NICER SWITHCH
Mimi: SLT REVERSES THE THREADS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO RW?
Flupigirl: That is good to know.
Flupigirl: working on my 6-6-6.
Mimi: <--- biting her nails lol
Flupigirl: That is what I thought, Mimi.
AnneB: That is right: here you DO NOT reverse work - unless your reflexes did that just after D  :-)
AnneB: (Thanks for the link - I had looked at the heart, but could not find it - until after the link was posted)
Cynthia: I THINK SO ON THIS PATTERN...IT HAS BEEN AWHILE SINCE I DID IT  I ACTUALLY DID 3 AND ON THE LAST  ONE HOOKED THE 3 TOETHER WITH THE PICOTS AROUND THE EDGE.  HOLDS A CANDY HEART OR OTHER CANDY
Cynthia: DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THE SLT=SHOE LACE TRICK?
Linda-S: So if I follow Jen Tatra Sutra's instructions and do a lock join in that pattern I have to RW, but if I do the SLT I don't reverse the work, correct?
Flupigirl: I rw the work. I don't know how you can do it otherwise.
Shanan: I think I get it now
Cynthia: NO THE LOCK JOIN AND SLT ARE NOT THE SAME ELEMENT
Cynthia: LOOK AT FIGURE 2 PLEASE
Linda-S: OK
Cynthia: IN FIGURE 1 YOU HAVE COMPLETED THE 4 RINGS AND DONE THE SLT
Linda-S: right
Cynthia: FOLLOWING ALONG FROM WHERE THE THREAD LEAVES THE "D" RING,YOU DO A CHAIN OF 6-6-6
Cynthia: THEN LOCK JOIN WHERE THE TRIANGLE SHOWS BETWEEN RINGS C AND D
Flupigirl: I just completed my 6-6-6 and it looks great to me.
Linda-S: I got it now.  Thanks!
Cynthia: CAN EVERYONE FOLLOW IT NOW?
Linda-S: Yes
Flupigirl: I think I did it right (it looks right), but I did have to reverse the work after tying a single knot.
Cynthia: ARE THERE ANY NEEDLE TATTERS HERE OR ONLY SHUTTLE
Shanan: yes
Linda-S: shuttle
Shanan: yes, I can follow.  No I don't use needles
Cynthia: DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENT TECHNIQUE FOR NEEDLE LOCK JOINS?
Flupigirl: Shuttle
Cynthia: THE DIRECTIONS ARE AT HTTP://WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/TATRASUTRA/HOW2TAT10.HTML
AnneB: http://www.geocities.com/tatrasutra/how2tat10.html
Flupigirl: Can someone explain the ninth line down?
Cynthia: THANKS ANNE
Cynthia: ON?
Flupigirl: Never mind. I think I have it. Sorry.
AnneB: You're welcome, Cynthia :-)
Flupigirl: I didn't do the other parts of the lesson because I was trying to fogure this out.
Cynthia: NO QUESTION SHOULD GO UNANSWERED AS WE'VE ALL NEEDED HELP ON OCCASION
Flupigirl: I think  I will have to keep coming and start with lesson one again.
Cynthia: THAT IS OKAY PATTY....THE LOCK JOIN AND SLT ARE PART OF THIS LESSON
Cynthia: FEEL FREE AS MANY TIMES AS YOU NEED TO.  WE ARE HERE TO HELP AND STARTING IN THE  MIDDLE CAN BE A CHALLENGE
Flupigirl: I'm cringing. Can I ask if you are suppose to reverse your work after tying the single knot? I hope I am not being a pain.
Cynthia: ONE IDEA IS TO PRINT OUT EVERYTHING AND KEEP IT IN A NOTEBOOK--2" SHOULD WORK BUT i KEEP MY NOTES THERE ALSO AND GRABBED  A 3" BINDER
Mimi: PATTY DO YOU MEAN AFTER THE SHOE LACE TRICK OR THE LOCK JOIN?
Shanan: I got stuck on the SLT so didn't get to other things either.  looked at the other things but didn't try the, yet
Mimi: SLT - DEPENDS ON THE PATTERN, SOMETIMES YOU WILL AND SOMETIMES YOU WON'T
Mimi: LOCK JOIN - UNLIKELY TO HAVE TO REVERSE WORK AFTER (WON'T IN THIS PATTERN) AGAIN DEPENDS ON PATTERN
Flupigirl: after the shoelace trick
Cynthia: YOU ARE NOT BEING A PAIN YOU NEED TO ASK TO LEARN
Mimi: IN THIS PATTERN NO REVERSE AFTER SLT
Cynthia: IT TAKES THE PLACE AND LOOKS NEATER
Flupigirl: Thank you, Cynthia. I don't want to monopolize the discussion. either.
Mimi: IN OTHER PATTERNS YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO SO. I ALWAYS HOPE FOR A DIAGRAM OR PHOTO SO I CAN CHECK THAT MY WORK IS STILL LOOKING LIKE IT SHOULD
Cynthia: DEFINATELY MIMI....AND FLUPI YOU ARE ASKING WHAT OTHERS WANT TO KNOW AS WELL BUT DON'T TYPE AS FAST
Mimi: TIA BARB AND LINDA ARE QUIET, ARE YOU TRACKING OK WITH SHOE LACE TRICK AND LOCK JOINS?
Flupigirl: I'm sorry. I do need help with line nine on the red heart pattern.
Linda-S: Yes, I'm Ok with them.
AnneB: the "Chain 6   6 - 6 - 6, LJ to same place as last LJ,"?
Cynthia: THAT SAYS...CHAIN 6 6-6-6 lj TO SAME PLACE
Cynthia: OOPS I MISSED THE  ...
Cynthia: PLUS SIGN
Cynthia: IT WON'T COME THRU
Linda-S: I was confused at first because I was goingto use the lock join but when you started talking about SLT it threw me for a minute.  I'm ok now.
kempbarb: I'm following along, thank you.
Cynthia: ARE WE IN THE RIGHT PLACE
Tia: Still here & following, I am good with Lock joins, SLT, & colors, I dont get SCMR but thats OK I have to leave here at 4 anyway to go home.
AnneB: The pluss sign did not folow my cut and paste eiter
Cynthia: WE ALSO HAVE THE EVENING CLASS AT 9 eASTERN TIME
Cynthia: PATTY DID WE FIND THE RIGHT PLACE?
Tia: Kewlies, see ya'll  Later!
AnneB: " "
Flupigirl: I think so.
AnneB: Just testing for plus signs
Cynthia: IS IT THE PLUS SIGN THAT YOU NEED?
Cynthia: - IS A PICOT AND THE   IS A JOIN
Flupigirl: No. I need to do it.
Flupigirl: I understand. I think.
Flupigirl: I guess the chain after the first LJ sits right next to the an already existing chain.
Cynthia: YES IT DOES
Cynthia: WE STILL HAVE THE RINGS OFF CHAINS AND SCMR SHALL WE ADD THAT TO NEXT WEEK OR SHALL WE CONTINUE--THOSE WHO CAN THAT IS
Cynthia: DID I SCARE EVERYONE OFF?
Shanan: we can go on if you want.  I can stick around
Flupigirl: I would love to save it for next week, but if not, I will learn it when it comes around in the next cycle.
AnneB: I'm off to bed in half an hour, but then I'm a teacher assistant :-)
kempbarb: Add to next week please? or I'll try to stay
Linda-S: i can stick around too.
Shanan: that's fine if eceryone wants to wait
Cynthia: WE CAN DO BOTH...I CAN CONTINUE AWHILE AND WE CAN ADD IT
Linda-S: ok
Shanan: that works too, lol
kempbarb: thank you, then same place same time next week!
Mimi: Sorry office phone rang, I need to go.
Flupigirl: I can't stick around. Would love to, but have to take my daughter to dance. I will see everyone next week.
Cynthia: ANNE YOU ARE A GREAT ASSISTANT...IT WOULD BE HARDER WITHOUT YOUR HELP
Cynthia: BYE MIMI
Mimi: I hope Patty got what she needed to finisht the heart
Shanan: bye to all who are leaving
Mimi: Next week is lesson 4, the meaty lesson
Mimi: Please read in advance
Flupigirl: Thank you so much.
Cynthia: THIS EVENING AT 9 EASTERN THIS REPEATS
Mimi: Thanks for coming all, particularly Anne for her support
AnneB: Thanks Cynthia
Mimi: See you tonight Cynthia
Cynthia: BYE MIMI
Flupigirl: I think I did Mimi.
AnneB: See you next week Mimi
Flupigirl: Bye everyone.
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Shanan: bye
Cynthia: FLUPIE E-MAIL ME IF YOU NEED MORE HELP
AnneB: bye
Flupigirl: Thanks Cynthia. I will. But I think I can do it now.
Cynthia: OK AND TONIGHT WE CAN TRY AGAIN IF YOU CAN MEET THEN...LIFE SOMETIMES GETS IN THE WAY
Linda-S: Sounds good to me.
Linda-S: bye
Cynthia: DO WE WANT TO GO OVER THE INFO ON RINGS OFF CHAINS?
Linda-S: oh, I thought you were leaving.   Yes!
Shanan: sure
Cynthia: RINGS OFF CHAINS SOUNDS SCARY BUT IS REALLY FUN TO DO.  I LIKE TO DO IT WITH 2 COLORS BUT 1 COLOR WORKS WELL TOO.  gO TO THE ROUND ROBIN FOR BEGINNERS
AnneB: Ring off chains (or floating rings) are fun!
Linda-S: I'm there
Cynthia: JUST LOOK AT THE PICTURE
Shanan: ok, I'm there
Cynthia: THE OUTER ROW HAS RINGS WITH FLOATING RINGS--SOUNDS MORE FUN THAN RINGS OFF CHAINS
Shanan: like floatin on a cloud, lol
Cynthia: YES...THE WAY TO DO THEM IS START WITH A CHAIN--2 SHUTTLES WORK BEST HERE
Shanan: ok
Cynthia: IS EVERYON RIGHT HANDED?
Linda-S: yes
Shanan: yes
Cynthia: OR SHOULD I USE SHUTTLE 1 AND SHUTTLE 2?
Linda-S: doesn't matter to me
Shanan: me either
Cynthia: PUT DOWN THE SHUTTLE IN YOUR RIGHT HAND.  USE THE SHUTTLE THAT WAS OVER YOUR LEFT HAND FOR THE CHAIN
Shanan: ok
Cynthia: USE THE SHUTTLE THAT WAS ON THE LEFT NOW TO MAKE THE RING
Cynthia: IT FLOATS ABOVE THE CHAIN....
Shanan: I see
Linda-S: that's it?
Cynthia: YES....
Shanan: that's easy!
Linda-S: cool
AnneB: -and fun!
Cynthia: SEE I SAID IT SOUNDED SCARY BUT WAS EASY! AND YES ANNE FUN.
AnneB: Notice that the chain curves as a chain without floating rings.
Cynthia: NOW TO GO ON WITH THE CHAIN YOU TAKE THE SHUTTLE YOU MADE THE FLOATING RING WITH AND
Cynthia: PUT IT BACK OVER THE LEFT HAND FOR THE CHAIN.  PICK UP THE SHUTTLE YOU SET DOWN WITH YOUR RIGHT AND CONTINUE WITH THE CHAIN
Cynthia: FUN...ANY IDEAS THAT YOU CAN USE THIS WITH?
AnneB: Some old patterns have floating rings at a pointed tip of a chain like this  http://www.nuperelle.net/motiver/Sandra.htm
Cynthia: NEAT SNOWFLAKE!
Linda-S: I like that pattern
Shanan: pretty
AnneB: I had problems making the chains "pointed" until I realised I could use the SLT before and after the ring.
AnneB: Also works when I'm too lazy to fill a second shuttle...
Linda-S: lol
AnneB: That was to be "before and after the floating ring"
Cynthia: THANKS ANNE   IS IT ALSO IN ENGLISH?  WHAT IS "SKYTTEL"?
Shanan: Oh, good to know!
AnneB: Skyttel = shuttle
AnneB: R=R
AnneB: B=C
Cynthia: AH THAT HELPS...i'D HAVE FIGURED IT EVENTUALLY BUT JUST THOUGHT THE BEGINNES MIGHT PANIC
Linda-S: thank for thinking of us
Shanan: thanks for the pattern
Cynthia: WE HAVE ALL DONE A PANIC WHEN WE COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT ON FIRST LOOK--AT LEAST I'M GUILTY OF THAT
AnneB: You're welcome! It was transcribed from a diagram, one of those that started me tatting
Cynthia: AWESOME AND THANK YOU ANNE FOR SHARING
Linda-S: Yes, thanks Anne
Cynthia: LETS LEAVE THE SCMR FOR NEXT WEEK....
Linda-S: That works for me
Cynthia: WE DO STILL HAVE LESSON 4 AND 5 PLUS A WEEK FOR HELPING WITH PROBLEMS
Shanan: ok, that is fine.  I have lots to practice this week
AnneB: Also scary but fun and easy once you know how to...
Cynthia: THAT IS A LOT AND A LOT OF FUN TOO!
AnneB: ... and you can have rings floating on the SCMR too - thats what makes them most fun! :-)
Cynthia: i'LL TRY TO WRITE OUT MY 3 SIDED HEART VARIATION AND GET IT READY FOR TONIGHT
Shanan: Thanks everyone for all the help.  I'm going to head out.
Cynthia: IT MAY NOT BE READY THIS EVENING BUT I'LL TRY
Shanan: Oh My Anne!
Cynthia: SCMR IS NOT SCARY
Shanan: LOL  Ok, if you say so, lol
AnneB: - and rings floating on (the second half) of split rings :-D
Cynthia: SCMR IS NOT SCARY CLOSING MOCK RING  IT IS SIMPLY CLOSE MY RING AND FUN
Shanan: Now I am biting my nails EEEEKKKK  LOL
AnneB: Ok - floating rings makes me go crazy
Shanan: I can tell, LOL
Cynthia: BUT THEY ARE FUN
Cynthia: IF YOU USE 2 COLORS AND A LOT OF SLT YOU CAN MAKE THE FLOATING RINGS A DIFFERENT COLOR....SO MANY OPTIONS
Shanan: I hear scary music playing from somewhere off in cyber space, lol
AnneB: SCMR are no harder than chains once you have learned how to.
Cynthia: DEFINATELY JUST A NEW WAY OF TURNING A CHAIN INTO A RING....THINK OF IT THAT WAY
Cynthia: YOU CAN ALREADY DO CHAINS RIGHT...
Shanan: We will give it a try next week.  I have lots of stuff to try out this week and get good at so I can be ready for next week.
Shanan: Yes I can do chains till the cows come home.
Linda-S: Thinking of it that way helps
Cynthia: SEE THE NOTE ON NSAN ABOUT THE EXCHANGES  THAT CAN BE FUN
Cynthia: SEE IT ISN'T SCARY
Cynthia: YOU HAVE MASTERED THE TECHNIQUE ALREADY
Shanan: In fact I woke up at 4am dreaming about teaching somebody chains and rings, LOL
AnneB: :-)
Cynthia: DID THEY ENJOY IT?
Shanan: LOL I'm not sure!
Linda-S: lol
Cynthia: YOU'LL GET TO WHERE THEY ARE SO EASY YOU'LL THINK YOU WERE CRAZY THINKING THEY WERE HARD...LOL
Shanan: under, over, relax, pull, flip
Shanan: over, under, relax, pull, flip
AnneB: Thats it - all you have to do :-)
Cynthia: FUN, FUN, FUN, FUN, FUN :-)
Shanan: I have the strangest dreams
Cynthia: YOUR BRAIN IS PROCESSING NEW INFORMATION AND YOUR MUSCLES ARE GETTING MUSCLE MEMORY
Cynthia: IT WILL GET EASIER AND EASIER
Cynthia: WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE ..
Shanan: I did the same thing when I first started taking dressage lessons with my horses, lol
AnneB: Wait until you have troubble falling asleep because every time your eyes close a new twist on a pattern apears...
Shanan: Thanks for taking the time to help us learn.  I
Cynthia: GETTING MUSCLE MEMORY INSTALLED IN THE BRAIN'S MEMORY...
Cynthia: YOU ARE SO RIGHT ANNE...AND YOU ARE WELCOME SHANAN
Shanan: I have been sketching all kinds of patterns and trying to figure out how to make them work
Cynthia: WE'RE NOT TEACHING NEW TATTERS WE'RE TEACHING NEW PATERN DESINGERS HOW
AnneB: That is the first step!
Cynthia: SEE ALREADY GETTING THERE!
Shanan: Like that round robin pattern - I think it would look better if the floating rings were all joined
Cynthia: BUT IT NEEDS SPACE BETWEEN THE GROUPS OF 3 SO THE PICOT WILL NEED TO BE LONGER ON THOSE SPOTS
AnneB: I had a lot of strange looking dragon scethes before my first dragon more or less came out of a single shuttle split ring exercise
Shanan: The last small floating ring of one chain would be joined to the first small ring on the next chain
Cynthia: TO LAY FLAT THEY MAY NEED TO BE A BIT LARGER...
Shanan: I really like that little dragon.  He is on my must try list
Linda-S: mine too
Shanan: Ok, I will try that
Shanan: The Ps larger?
Shanan: or the rings
Cynthia: ANNE THANK YOU FOR YOUR AWESOME HELP
Shanan: Yes, thanks Anne
Cynthia: THE P'S THAT WILL JOIN TO THE NEXT SMALL RING WILL NEED TO BE A BIT LARGER
AnneB: Glad to be able to help.
Cynthia: OR IT MAY CUP INSTEAD OF BEING FLAT
Shanan: Ok, I thought that is what you meant
AnneB: I'm off to bed now, see you next week!
AnneB: Bye all!
Shanan: Good night!  sweet dreams
Cynthia: BYE UNTIL NEXT WEEK OR TONIGHT... PEACE
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Linda-S: I really enjoyed class.  Thanks so much for helping us!!  bye
Shanan: Bye everyone
Linda-S: bye