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Cynthia: Hi sorry I'm running late
nanners: If I can. That way when I look at illustrations the will make sense to me.
nanners: Hi Cynthia.
AnneB: Ok, Now I'm checking for illustrations - just some minutes...
Cynthia: let me find the link--to both right and left handed pictures/videos for you nanners
nanners: thank you
Cynthia: http://www.geocities.com/tatrasutra/how2tat2.html is 1
Cynthia: http://www.personalpages.tds.net/~tatting/index.html
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AnneB: Some thread control exercise (if a word look strange, try replasing s with c or opposite -I'm s-c comfused when writing English)
AnneB: Take the thread around your fingers like in this photo: http://www.nuperelle.net/om/hvordan/ring1.JPG
Cynthia: AnneB you do better than I do and I only do 1 language. I tip my shuttle to you
AnneB: My spelling is bad in Norwegian too - lol
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AnneB: exercise cont: make a pinch with the index finger and thumb
Cynthia: Hi Mimi and Karo I didn't mean to ignore you Mimi
nanners: great. Thank you. I added the sites to my favorites. Am I supposed to be trying to do the thread right now?
Mimi: Nanners did you look at the links provided on http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/meet_greet.html?
Mimi: Did all those diagrams confuse you?
Mimi: No worries
Mimi: No worries Cynthia I'm at my desk in the office
AnneB: exercise cont (now or later): tighten the ring by pulling the shuttle.
nanners: yes. I could not try to do the thread and shuttle and move the screen up and down at the same time to see what to do next.
AnneB: exercise cont: expand the ring by spreading the 3 free fingers
Karo: i'm here and ready, both windows open.
Cynthia: You can print them out so you have it all in front of you
nanners: Will do. Why didn't I think of that?
AnneB: This exercise is the same kind of move I do when tatting rings, just to check all the flips were ok.
Mimi: Also, if you have to flip printouts, here's a youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOimfd-bRdg
Cynthia: Mimi Beverly says hi and why didn't you tell her we had a beginner class??? LOL
Mimi: She starts a ring at around 1 minute
Mimi: Which Beverly?
Karo: Hi AnneB
Cynthia: Elrod
Mimi: Must be BJ, she forgets a lot
Mimi: Elrod? For crying out loud, how many times have we written to ask permission for adding her links? LOL
Karo: i hope BJ shows up, nice to meet someone who lives close to me.
AnneB: Hi All! My intention was not to ignore you, I just had to finish the exercise :-)
Cynthia: ROTFL I added her without getting info on her....
Cynthia: Not a problem AnneB
Karo: i know its hard to type and tat at the same time
Cynthia: We have a small group this afternoon. Shall we sign in and I'll go to caps...
Cynthia: CYNTHIA STEVENSON, STILLWATER OK, USA BRASTHATFIT@YAHOO.COM
Karo: warning, i may get cut off, cloud cover.
AnneB: Anne Bruvold, Tromsų, Norway, solurab@online.no
nanners: Thank you to all
Karo: Karen Ogden new Mexico
Mimi: MIMI DILLMAN, EVERETT, WA, NTROP@IX.NETCOM.COM
nanners: Nancy Merritt, Franklin, PA, USA jane1615@verizon.net
Karo: waving to mimi, i used to leve in Seattle and Index WA
AnneB: Sun is supposed to be back after the dark season, but it has been cloudy lately
Cynthia: GOAL FOR THIS LESSON--READING PATTERNS
Cynthia: MAKING A RING
Cynthia: MAKE A PICOT
Cynthia: SO ANNEB YOU WERE JUST GETTING STARTED WITH NANCY
Cynthia: OOPS SORRY WELCOME EVERYONE....I READ FASTER THAN I TYPE
AnneB: We were both early, so we started warming up
Cynthia: THANK YOU....HUBBY HAD A LUNCH MEETING AND I ENDED UP GOING
nanners: I don't know what I am supposed to be doing
Cynthia: WE CAN WORK ON RING FIRST
Mimi: NANNERS NEEDS THE DS FIRST
Cynthia: DOES EVERYONE HAVE THE LESSON PRINTED ON ONSCREEN?
Mimi: KARO CAN YOU MAKE A DS?
nanners: do you mind if I moitor this class and try to come back on for tonights class?
Mimi: THAT'S FINE NANNERS THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO INTERRUPT CYNTHIA
nanners: I am having problems typing today I meant monitor the class
Cynthia: NO BUT PLEASE STAY WITH US WE ARE HAPPY TO WORK ON DS TOO
Karo: yes
Mimi: GREAT KARO, PLEASE FOLLOW ALONG THIS CYNTHIA
Cynthia: KARO DO YOU USE NEEDLE OR SHUTTLE?
Mimi: (we have more teachers than students today so pardon us if we step on each other or others!)
Cynthia: NANCY--SHUTTLE RIGHT
Cynthia: NOT A PROBLEM FOR ME I TRUST YOUR HELP
Karo: shuttle
AnneB: Notice how I'm (trying to) keeping quiet lol
Cynthia: DO YOU HAVE THE FLIP DOWN?
Karo: i do yes
Mimi: doing betterthan I am anne, thanks for being here as this is my lunch hour at work...
Cynthia: GREAT ONE WAY TO DOUBLE CHECK IS AFTER A COUPLE STITCHES TO TRY TO SLIGHTLY CLOSE THE RING AND OPEN IT BACK UP
Karo: i do
Cynthia: AND EVERY COUPLE STITCHES UNTIL YOU ARE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE DS
Cynthia: GREAT
Cynthia: DO YOU GET YOUR DS RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER ?
Karo: yep nice and neat finally
Cynthia: IT TAKES PRACTICE....SOME DAYS I DO BETTER THAN OTHERS STILL
Cynthia: NOW TO ADD THE SNEAKY PICOT
Karo: miles and miles of doing chains
Cynthia: GREAT THEY CAN BE FUN CAN'T THEY AND YOU CAN MAKE FANCY KNOTS (CELTIC) WITH THEM
Cynthia: MORE ON THAT LATER...
Cynthia: THE SNEAKY PICOT ABBREVIATED P OR p OR -
Karo: mine looks like a twisted mess. but i keep it
Cynthia: GOOD IT IS FUN TO LOOK AT LATER AND SEE HOW FAR YOU'VE COME
Karo: now my ? why do some of my Ps twist??
Cynthia: AROUND THEMSELVES OR AROUND THE CORE THREAD?
Karo: around themselves looks like a fancy G
Cynthia: AFTER YOU MADE THE P OR AS YOU ARE MAKING THE P?
Cynthia: AH HA YOUR THREAD IS A TWISTY THREAD....
Karo: well ya
Cynthia: ONE WAY TO ALEVIATE THAT IS TO HOLD THE WORK NEAR THE PINCH AND LET THE SHUTTLE SPIN UNTIL IT UNTWISTS
Karo: i have the dreaded twisted P
Karo: drop and untwist before a P
Cynthia: ANOTHER IS TO WALK THE THREAD ONTO THE BOBBIN (OR SHUTTLE) TO PREVENT TWISTS
Cynthia: HOW DID YOU WIND THE THREAD ONTO THE SHUTTLE?
Karo: Aero, wrap round and round
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Cynthia: OK I DID THE SAME WAY FOR 20 YEARS AND STRUGGLED
Cynthia: TO WALK THE THREAD ON HERE'S HOW i DO IT....
Cynthia: WRAP UNTIL THE THREAD STAYS ON THEN HOLD THE BOBBIN BY THE SIDES AND SPIN IT
Cynthia: THE TRHEAD GOES ON WITHOUT A TWIST.
Karo: walking is slower but i will try it,
Cynthia: YOU CAN ALSO ROLL IT ALONG A DESK "WALK THE DOG" FASHION FOR A YOYO.
Cynthia: yES IT IS SLOWER.
Cynthia: ANY OTHER WAYS?
Cynthia: hI KEMPBARB
Cynthia: SING PLEASE...
Cynthia: SIGN THAT SHOULD BE LOL
Cynthia: 3RD TRY IS THE CHARM....SIGN IN PLEASE
AnneB: I find it just as easy to let the shuttle dangle and untwist every now and then.
Cynthia: ANNEB OR MIMI ANY OTHER IDEAS ON WINDING THREAD ON?
Cynthia: I'M KAKING A LIST OF POSSIBLE SITES TO HAVE READY AS HELPS FOR THE FUTURE
Cynthia: ARE WE READY TO GO ONTO READING PATTERNS?
Karo: yes
GreenEyedGirl: sure
nanners: sure
Cynthia: THIS N TAT HAS A GOOD ONE ON PICTORAL PATTERNS
Cynthia: DO YOU ALL HAVE IT?
GreenEyedGirl: yes
Karo: yep
nanners: what do you mean?
Cynthia: HTTP://WWW.THISNTAT.COM/READING_PATTERNS.HTML
nanners: Am I supposed to go to that website? I am confused.
AnneB: Fist link under "reading patterns" in lesson 1: http://www.thisntat.com/reading_patterns.html
Cynthia: iT IS EASIER IF YOU PRINT IT OUT BEFORE CALSS BUT SOME PREFER TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON THE COMPUTER
Mimi: If you don't have ti printed, yes please go to the link (but use a new browser session so you can stay in this class)
Karo: or side by side
GreenEyedGirl: if you open a new screen and make it half the size you can see this page and the new link at the same time
GreenEyedGirl: yes lol side by side
Cynthia: MINE SHUFFLES THEM BACK AND FORTH FROM FRONT TO BACK SO I PRINT OUT FIRST
Karo: i don't use my pointer finger like she does, can't grip that way, use 2nd finger
Cynthia: EITHER WAY WORKS WE'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS--SO DO I
Karo: really!! go happy to know i'm not alone
GreenEyedGirl: me too lol
Cynthia: LOTS OF US DO IT DIFFERENT....ACTUALLY THE OTHERS ARE THE DIFFERENT...LOL
Karo: oh yah!!
Cynthia: LET'S LOOK AT THE PICTORAL PATTERN
Mimi: PALMETTO TATTERS GUILD PRODUCED A 30 MIN VIDEO OF 20 TATTERS, NONE OF WHOM TATTED THE SAME
Mimi: BUT THE RESULTS *LOOK* THE SAME AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS
Cynthia: BUT THEY ALL TAT! AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS MOST
Cynthia: SAMPLE 1 SHOWS THE RING WITH A 5 BY IT....EVERYONE SEE IT
GreenEyedGirl: yes
nanners: yes
Karo: yes
Cynthia: IT INDICATES VERSION ONE R 7p SEP BY 5 DS, CL RW
Cynthia: THAT CAN ALSO BE WRITTEN
Cynthia: R5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5,
Cynthia: OR THE LONG WAY AS
Cynthia: RING OF 5 DS, P, 5DS, P, 5DS,P,5DS,P, 5DS, P,5 DS,P5DS, P,5 DS CLOSE RING
Cynthia: WHAT WAY IS EASIES TO READ?
Karo: 5-5-5-5
GreenEyedGirl: I agree with Karo
Cynthia: I USUALLY PUT THE NUMBER OF P AT THE END IN PENCIL.
Cynthia: AS I HATE COUNTING IN THE PATTERN
GreenEyedGirl: Oh, that's a good idea
AnneB: I like R: 5x8 best. 8 groups of 5 dst with P in between ;-)
Cynthia: EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT IN THAT. i LIKE THAT NOTATION TOO ANNEB
nanners: Why is there a W after R?
GreenEyedGirl: I would forget if that was 5 sets if 8 or 8 sets of 5
Mimi: just give me a diagram :)
Cynthia: REVERSE WORK
Karo: thank goodness for post its
AnneB: I have a problem with that too - always checking the photo to make sure if it is 5 dst 8 times or 8 dst 5 times lol
Karo: brave women mimi
Cynthia: WHEN YOU SWITCH FROM RING TO CHAIN TO RING YOU ALMOST ALWAYS REVERSE WORK
nanners: Thanks, I actually prefer reading the first version. It is more like crocher or knitting instructions
Karo: and the thread you are going to use is always on top right??
Cynthia: TRUE SOME PATTERNS DON'T PUT IN THE RW JUST FIGURE YOU WILL DO IT ANYWAY
GreenEyedGirl: I like the diagram to go with the 5-5-5-5-5-5 so I can "see" what I need to do
Cynthia: NO BUT OFTEN...LOOK FURTHER DOWN AND FOLLOW FROM THE BOTTOM
Karo: Gun B, the frist book i had had now RWs hd to figure those out on my own
Cynthia: IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT FOR A DIFFERENT LOOK BUT THAT COMES LATER
Karo: are you talking about the shoe lace trick?
Cynthia: IS USUALLY NOTED AS *DNRW* OR DO NOT REVERSE WORK
Cynthia: NOT YET
AnneB: short hand 5-5-5, and diagram or detailed photo is best
Cynthia: MIMI DO YOU HAVE TO LEAVE AND GET BACK TO WORK?
Cynthia: ANY THOUGHTS YOU WANT TO LEAVE US WITH?
Mimi: I'M AFRAID I DO - BEEN TAKING CALLS THE WHOLE TIME (DON'T THEY EAT LUNCH??? LOL)
Cynthia: I AGREE ANNE
Mimi: MOSTLY THINK HARD ABOUT THE PATTERNS YOU READ
Mimi: CHECK THE PHOTO IF ONE IS AVAILABLE
Mimi: MAKE SURE THE PROPER THREAD IS ON TOP (THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION KARO)
Cynthia: I TRY TO READ AND FOLLOW ALONG WITH THE PICTURE OR DIAGRAM IF THERE IS ONE OR JUST DO IT IN MY HEAD FIRST
Mimi: AND YOU WILL CREATE LOVELY TATTING
Mimi: THAT'S WHAT I DO TOO CYNTHIA
Cynthia: KARO I MISSED THAT SORRY....
Mimi: BUT THAT'S A "MUSCLE" YOU AND I DEVELOPED OVER TIME
Karo: count twice before a close!!!
Mimi: I ENCOURAGE THE NEWBIES TO DO THE SAME
Mimi: OMGOODNESS YES
Mimi: REOPENING RINGS IS POSSIBLE BUT A PAIN
Cynthia: AND IF YOU HAVE TO OPEN A RING....
Mimi: RETROTATTING IS A PAIN TOO :)
GreenEyedGirl: I break thread when I have to re-open a ring
Cynthia: ADO IT BY PULLING THE CORE AT A PICOT IF POSSIBLE THEN WIGGLE IT OPEN
Cynthia: THAT HAPPENS A LOT --GRG
Mimi: AND IT'S A GENTLE WIGGLE TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T UNFLIP THAT LAST DS
Mimi: AND MAKE A STOPPER KNOT ON TEH CORE
GreenEyedGirl: oh, ok. I will try that
Karo: if i can unknit, i can do anything
Cynthia: gREEN EYEDGIRL WHAT SIZE THREAD ARE YOU USING>
GreenEyedGirl: Bigger this week 10
GreenEyedGirl: I am saving all the 80 for later
Cynthia: TO START I RECOMMEND SIZE 10 OR 20 CROCHET THREAD
AnneB: I have been doing some retro tatting today as my fingers tat on theirs own while my brain is following the "talk"
Mimi: GOOD AFTERNOON ALL - I'M SURE I'LL SEE SOME OF YOU TONIGHT
Mimi: GOOD TO "MEET" YOU ANNE
Mimi: LOVE YOUR DRAGONS
Cynthia: GOOD AS THE FINER THREADS TEND TO BREAK EASIER BUT AFTER YOU GET
GreenEyedGirl: Bye Mimi
Cynthia: MORE PRACTICE IT WILL BE EASIER
Karo: anneB can you post your web site again please
Cynthia: BYE MIMI
AnneB: Thanks - good to meet you too Mimi.
Karo: bye mimi
GreenEyedGirl: did I miss the dragon>
AnneB: I'll be sleeping when you have the second class
Cynthia: NO WE ARE STILL IN THE BEGINNING CLASS LESSON 1 AND THE DRAGON COMES LATER
nanners: Thank you MIMI
Cynthia: A BIT MORE PRACTICE FIRST...THEN ONTO THE DRAGON
GreenEyedGirl: oh, ok. Don't want to miss that , my boys love love love dragons!!!
Karo: OT who came up with the motercycle pattern? Mark?
Cynthia: i THINK IT WAS BOB THE BIKE
GreenEyedGirl: where is that?
AnneB: There are always some dragons flying by... and I have a bad habit of putting split rings in mine
Cynthia: HEIS IN ENGLAND
GreenEyedGirl: I can figure out split rings, just did them this week
Karo: ok i know him he did the owl too
Cynthia: THE SPLIT RING IS IN THE LAST LESSON AND THEY WILL BE READY TO TACKLE THE DRAGON OF YOURS ANNE
GreenEyedGirl: great
Karo: ya think so
Cynthia: LAST AS IN LESSON 5 i THINK
AnneB: There can never be enough dragons :-)
Cynthia: OR NICE DESIGNERS OF THEM....
GreenEyedGirl: or unicorns
Karo: or cats
GreenEyedGirl: or roosters. I love my horses and roo boys
Cynthia: IT IS ALREADY 10 AFTER....DOES ANYONE NEED TO LEAVE?
Karo: Siamese cats
GreenEyedGirl: I'm free to stay
Cynthia: i CAN STAY AWHILE AND CHAT/ANSWER QUESTIONS
nanners: Can I print out this session?
Cynthia: ANNE A BIG THANK YOU FOR HELPING
GreenEyedGirl: I need to go back up to the top and figure out how to keep twists out of my rings
Karo: shuttle join? fold join like Linda Davis? or just plain join?
GreenEyedGirl: fold join!
AnneB: I usually dont go to bed 'til after 23, that is 45 more minutes or so.
Karo: did you get up early again Anne??
Cynthia: YES YOU CLICK ON SAVE/PRINT THEN SAVE IT --REGULAR WAY.
GreenEyedGirl: does it save the whole thing? because when I want to go to the very top I am having trouble
nanners: AnneB Thank you so much for your assistance. It was nice chatting with you. Thank you again Cynthia for all your support and instruction. I have to sign off. Nice meeting everyone. Good luck.
AnneB: not that early today but earlier than normal. But tomorow is ut at 07 and at work just before 09 :-)
Cynthia: I LHAVE IT AND WILL TRY TO GET IT POSTED OR i CAN SEMD OT TP UPI
GreenEyedGirl: by nanners
Cynthia: SEND IT TO YOU NANCY
GreenEyedGirl: I mean bye
Cynthia: Nancy I'll send it right after class.
AnneB: bye nanners!
Karo: bye green
GreenEyedGirl: Bye Karo
Cynthia: Thank all of you for working with the rookie teacher, I'm learning how to teach as fast
Cynthia: as you are learning to tat...lol and happy to help
GreenEyedGirl: Thanks for teaching us!!!
Karo: you are doing a great job cynthia.
Cynthia: Thanks everyone for the vote of confidence
AnneB: You are doing fine Cynthia.
GreenEyedGirl: ;-)
Karo: next week same time same bat channel
Karo: thank s and bye till we meet again
GreenEyedGirl: tat channel?
Cynthia: Thanks everyone....yes same time same place and again tonight at 9 -eastern time
Cynthia: . Anne sleep well
AnneB: See you next week!
Karo: oh ya tat channel i like that
Cynthia: a tip of the shuttle to all and to all peace and bye
AnneB: Thanks - I usually don't hva problems sleeping, only realising I have to go to bed...
AnneB: hva=have
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Cynthia: Bye Anne sleep well and remember it's time for bed....