The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Fri Nov 21 03:02:19 2008 GMT (384 KB) Page 8 of 8 - Char 358409 to 393479 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ Cynthia: ANY QUESTIONS LEFT OVER FROM LAST WEEK THAT WE DIDN'T COVER OR YOU JUST DISCOVERED? ridgetatter: I'm just lurking Pam from x.x.x.253 joined the chat 48 minutes ago Cynthia: HI PA,M SIGN IN PLEASE Pam: Hello peeps.. Pamela Ford, gchild3167@yahoo.com, Dekalb, IL (in Birmingham, AL) Cynthia: BJ YOU CAN ASK TOO EVEN IF YOU ARE JUST LURKING Pam: Another Pam - Pam Crane Morganton Georgia pamcrane@tds.net Mimi: THANKS FOR JOINING FROM BHAM! ANY REMAINING QUESTIONS FROM LAST WEEK'S LESSON? swpdmp: Doris Pierson swpdmp@yahoo.com Mooresburg, TN Pam: nope Mimi: EEK 2 PAMS! NancyCarol: ok here ridgetatter: , Mimi: WELL THEN LET'S LOOK AT LESSON 4 Pam from x.x.x.253 changed name to Pam F 46 minutes ago Pam F: Will that work? Mimi: THANKS PAM I'M EASILY CONFUSED :) Mimi: DID EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO READ OVER LESSON 4? Cynthia: MANY OF US ARE.... Mimi: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson4.html stitchingsharon: new people tonight! yippee!! Pam F: no...sorry i'm traveling Mimi: YES WELCOME NEWEST OF THE NEWBIES Mimi: DORIS AND PAM Pam: I have looked over it Barbara: opening in new tab now Mimi: PAM FROM GA PAM ridgetatter: , swpdmp: Thanks....big time newbie here!! Mimi: FIRST CONCEPT IS THE SPLIT RING Cynthia: WELCOME DORIS Mimi: A RING WHERE ONE PORTION IS "NORMAL" Mimi: AND THE OTHER SIDE CONTAINS NON-FLIPPED STITCHES stitchingsharon: Looked it over. I've conquered the split ring. Mimi: IS ALLOWS THE 2 THREADS TO EXIT THE RING SOMEPLACE OTHER THAN WHERE THEY ENTERED IT Pam F: gotcha Mimi: IT SOUNDS STRANGE AT FIRST BUT ITS ACTUALLY A VERY USEFUL TECHNIQUE Barbara: can do them but slowly Mimi: AND PRETTY TOO ridgetatter: very Mimi: SAFE AT ANY SPEED :) Barbara: lol ridgetatter: no extra points for speed Mimi: BETTER SLOWLY AND KEEPING YOUR CORE THREAD SLIDING THAN FAST AND IN KNOTS! ridgetatter: amen! Mimi: SPEED WILL COME Barbara: knots are never fun NancyCarol: LOVE the two-tone split rings better than almost anything Mimi: DOES ANYONE NEED ME TO EXPLAIN MORE? I'M SEEING LOTS OF "I DID IT"? ridgetatter: should we send in our examples? Cynthia: DOES EVERYONE FIND THE "DEAD SPIDER" HAND TECHNIQUE COMFORTABLE? Barbara: that would be some trick from here Cynthia: YES bj Mimi: "DEAD SPIDER" IS FOR SHUTTLE TATTERS ridgetatter: no I didn't so I do it a bit differently, but it works for me Barbara: not comfortable though, can do it NancyCarol: dead spider is good for me. I can't lay down the ring without messing up Mimi: THERE'S THE PHOTOS SECTION IN THE YAHOO GROUP... A GREAT PLACE TO SHARE PHOTOS. Barbara: probably part of the slow stitchingsharon: I find that easier than rearranging and risking twisting the whole business up Pam F: I've seen it....it looks pretty simple. Mimi: I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU CAROL ridgetatter: I never remove any ring....LOL Barbara: i try not to stop in the middle of a ring Cynthia: BJ WHAT TECHNIQUE DO YOU USE? Mimi: PAM I STILL ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY IT DURING A QUIET TIME - OR MAYBE HWEN YOU SEE NANCY Mimi: THE CONCEPT IS ONE THING... MAKING HTE FINGERS *NOT* FLIP THE STITCH IS SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY NancyCarol: Yes, Pam, we'll play split ring tomorrow! Mimi: WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME MAKING OUR SELVES FLIP IT Barbara: usually i have to retrotat any of the stops ridgetatter: What I worked out to be comfortable to me....I just kind of tilt my left hand over Mimi: THAT SUDDENLY NOT FLIPPING IS STRANGE! ridgetatter: and keeping the stitch count Pam F: Yeah...that's the plan. Mimi: THAT'S RIGHT... COUNTING CAN BE A CHALLENGE TOO - BOTH SHUTTLE AN DNEEDLE Barbara: oh that i the hard part for me, especially on the unflip half Mimi: BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO THE 2ND HALF MOTION 1ST HTEN THE 1ST HALF MOTION 2ND NancyCarol: and remembering to do the second h alf of ds before the normal 1st half Cynthia: JUST WHEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER WAY DOWN PAT WE THROW THIS IN.... Mimi: SO IF YOU DO UNDER/OVER YOU MIGHT GBET AN EXTRA HALF STITCH Mimi: THAT'S OUR JOB, SUPPLY THE MONKEY WRENCHES :) Mimi: SPLIT RINGS HAVE 2 MAIN USES Mimi: 1: DECORATIVE Mimi: SUCH AS IN THE SPLIT RING FLOWER WHERE SPLIT RINGS DECORATE THE CENTER OF CHAINS stitchingsharon: that was the hard part -- keeping those rascally stitvches from flipping. ridgetatter: , Mimi: http://web.archive.org/web/20080131064742/http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art5541.asp Mimi: I HOPE IT COMES UP, WAYBACK MACHINE IS SOMETIMES SQUIRRELY Cynthia: SS KEEP THE "CORE" THREAD TAUT AND THAT HELPS YOU REMEMBER TOO NancyCarol: Thank HEAVENS for the Wayback Machine though! Mimi: 2: CLIMB OUT FROM AN INSIDE ROW TO THE NEXT ROW TOWARDS THE OUTSIDE Mimi: THIS IS ALSO IN THE SPLIT RING FLOWER Mimi: CAN EVERYONE SEE THE S/R FLOWER PATTERN? Mimi: I'LL EXPLAIN WHERE THE S/R'S ARE IN IT Mimi: THERE IS ONE ON THE INSIDE ROUND Mimi: AND !!! Mimi: BY LEAVING THAT INSIDE FLOWER BY MEANS OF A SPLIT RING, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU AVOID? Mimi: HEE HEE ridgetatter: c and T Barbara: hehehe Mimi: NOT JUST THAT BJ, BUT ANOTEHR CONCEPT WE STRUGGLED WITH IN CLASS EARLIER ON Mimi: BUT THAT IS CORRECT Cynthia: AND ENDS TO HIDE Mimi: BUT WHAT I REALLY LIKE TO AVOID IS THE FOLDED JOIN!! Mimi: I'LL SEW IN ENDS, PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME FOLD :)) ridgetatter: oh ok I never do those LOL or seldom Cynthia: HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT...FOLDED JOINS AREN'T THAT HARD FOR ME stitchingsharon: sneaky Mimi NancyCarol: Oh, Yes - no tacky ends to hide and no twisted picots Mimi: LUCKY YOU CYNTHIA, THEY TWIST ME ALL UP Mimi: DOUBLE BONUS THEN Barbara: ??? ridgetatter: why do they twist when you don't want them to....but....LOL stitchingsharon: took a while but me and the folded join are getting along Mimi: SO THE INSIDE FLOWER IS MADE UP OF 7 OF THE USUAL KIND OF RINGS Mimi: THE 8TH RING IS A SPLIT RING Cynthia: I'LL HAVE TO WRITE UP HOW I DO THEM--I CREATED IT BUT DIDN'T THINK IT WAS SO SPECIAL...UNTIL I STARTED TAKING CLASSES Mimi: YOU MAKE THE 1ST HALF OF THIS 8TH RING AS NORMAL Mimi: JOINING TO THE 7TH RING Mimi: BUT ON THE 2ND HALF Mimi: IT'S MORE TRICKY FOR JOINING TO THE 1ST RING Cynthia: BRB Mimi: YOU STILL PULL THE CORE THREAD THROUGH THE PICOT TO START THE JOIN Mimi: BUT Pam: What happens if your inside flower fills up with five rings and there's no more room for the remaining rings? Mimi: HMMMM I'LL HAVE TO THINK ON THAT Mimi: I THINK I'D KEEP TRYING ANOTHER RING OR TWO NancyCarol: what size thread are you using? Mimi: YOU CAN MAKE THEM SKINNIER AND MORE WILL FIT Mimi: BUT IF THE THREAD IS A SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER SIZE Pam: How do you make them "skinnier"? ridgetatter: , NancyCarol: Kind of sqoosh the rings into a more elongated shape? Mimi: MIGHT BE OK WITH FEWER INNER RINGS AS YOUR OUTTER CHAINS/RINGS WILL BE BIGGER TOO (FEAR IS THAT THE MOTIF WOULD CUP IF YOU OMIT REPEATS ON THE INSIDE) stitchingsharon: pull at the point to reshape Mimi: BY PULLING UP ON THE TOP PICOT (PICOT #2) AND WHILE HOLDING THE END OF THE RING IN YOUR PINCH Mimi: SO THEY GET TALLER AND LESS WIDE Cynthia: A NEAT TUTORIAL ON ADDING A NEW THREAD: http://sharonstattedlace.blpgsopt.com/ has a nice tutorial ridgetatter: This is why I use guages Mimi: THIS CAN HAPPEN WITH THE TINIEST OF JOINING PICOTS BJ Mimi: SOME FOLKS ARE BLESSED WITH NICE ROUND RINGS ridgetatter: I'm not getting the problem...sorry Cynthia: CHECK THE GROUP LINKS I THINK IT IS THERE TOO...IF NOT IT WILL SOON BE ridgetatter: ok Mimi: THE RINGS IN THE PHOTO HAVE BEEN PULLED INTO ELONGATED OVOID SHAPES, SO I THINK THE ORIGINAL HAD SOME CROWDING TOO Mimi from x.x.x.200 joined the chat 28 minutes ago Mimi: ARE WE MAKING ANY SENSE PAM ridgetatter: If the joing rings are longer, the piece has less of a tendency to cup right? Pam: Yes, I stretched the rings and that seemed to make a little more room. I'm sorry to have interrupted Mimi: JOINING RINGS? Mimi: NO PROBLEM PAM THAT'S WHAT CLASS IS FOR! Mimi: I'M GLAD IT HELPED Mimi: I GET CROWDING IN MY FLOWERS FREQUENTLY ridgetatter: sorry picot joins between rings Mimi: I THINK THAT'S WHY I TEND TO STOP AT 6 RATHER THAN GOING 8 :) stitchingsharon: k Mimi: BUT BLOCKING WILL CURE A LOT OF THE RUFFLING THAT SEEMS TO BE THERE ridgetatter: , Mimi: MEANTIME I LEFT YOU HANGING AT THE JOIN FROM THE NON-FLIPPED SIDE OF THE SPLIT RING TO THE ORIGINAL RING Mimi: THE CORE THREAD HAS BEEN PULLED THROUGH THE PICOT OF THE FIRST RING ridgetatter: yes Mimi: BUT IT CAN'T BE LEFT THERE ELSE THE RING WON'T CLOSE Mimi: PUT YOUR SHUTTLE THROUGH THE LOOP OF RING THREAD, THEN Mimi: HOW DO I PUT THIS? Mimi: FLIP THE JOIN? Mimi: WHAT I MEAN IS Mimi: PULL THE CORE THREAD TAUT Mimi: SO THAT IT POPS OUT OF THE PICOT BACK INTO RING SHAPE Mimi: AND THE SHUTTLE THREAD WILL BE LOOPED AROUND THE PICOT IN THE JOIN Mimi: THEN TENSION THE RESULT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LOOPY FLOPPY BITS LEFT Mimi: THAT'S THE 1ST HALF OF THE NEXT DS AFTER THE JOIN - MAKE THE 2ND HALF O FHTE DS AS USUAL Mimi: I GUESS IT'S ALMOST LIKE FLIPPING A JOIN INSTEAD OF FLIPPING A STITCH? Mimi: ONCE YOU FINISH THIS RING AND CLOSE IT, YOU'LL FIND THAT YOUR 2 SHUTTLES ARE AT THE TIP OF ONE OF HTE RINGS OF THE FLOWER Mimi: IN PERFECT POSITION TO START MAKING A CHAIN OF THE NEXT ROUND NancyCarol: I don't recall having that explained quite that way before. I'll have to pay more attention next time I do it. Mimi: BUT DON'T MAKE THAT CHAIN YET Mimi: I THINK IT'S ALMOST INSTINCTIVE NANCY Cynthia: WE SNEAK IN A MOCK PICOT FIRST Mimi: ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT JOIN BEFORE I STAMPEDE ON ? Mimi: THAT'S RIGHT CYNTHIA stitchingsharon: k Mimi: EITHER I'VE LOST EVERYONE TO THE POINT OF SPEECHLESSNESS OR THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ridgetatter: k Mimi: IS EVERYONE FAMILIAR WITH THE MOCK PICOT? Barbara: no ? NancyCarol: ok here Barbara: nope Pam F: no questions Mimi: THE MOCK PICOT IS AN INTERESTING CONCEPT Cynthia: YOU CAN THINK OF IT AS A "CORE THREAD JOIN" INSTEAD OF A JOIN Pam F: Yes I'm familiar with mock picot ridgetatter: yes me too Mimi: IT'S THE CREATION OF A PICOT BY MEANS OF BOTH SHUTTLE THREADS Mimi: IT'S NO MORE THAN LEAVING A SHORT DISTANCE OF THREAD FROM EACH SHUTTLE BETWEEN THE SPLIT RING END AND THE NEXT ELEMENT Barbara: i do not have mock picot, but i will ridgetatter: very tiny bit of thread Barbara: that i can do Mimi: TO HOLD THE THREAD SPACES THERE, YOU WILL NEED TO TIE A KNOT ridgetatter: first time I left too much Cynthia: DID WE LOSE PAM F? Mimi: THE RESULT NEEDS TO BE THE SAME SIZE AS THE OTHER PICOTS THAT THIS ONE IS INTENDED TO MIRROR Mimi: BUT IT'S TOUGH TO GAUGE SOMETIMES Mimi: EVEN WITH EXPERIENCE Pam F: no i'm here got a phone call Mimi: THE LOCK STITCH WILL DO THE TRICK TO MAKE THE KNOT AT THE END OF THE MOCK PICOT Barbara: iuse gauge for any measurine Cynthia: OR PAM? i HAVEN'T SEEN PAM FOR AWHILE... Mimi: LOCK STITCH -= FLIPPED 1ST HALF PLUS NON-FLIPPED 2ND HALF Pam: I'm still here - being a sponge and soaking all this in ;-) Mimi: OR VICE VERSA WILL LOCK UP TOO Barbara: my estimate is always too much Mimi: KEEP TRYING BARBARA Mimi: ONCE YOU'VE MADE THE POCK PICOT AT THE END OF THE SPLIT RING, YOU'RE READY TO MAKE THE FIRST CHAIN Barbara: retro tatting often Cynthia: ANY QUESTIONS? ONE WAY IS TO USE A TOOTHPICK TO SNUG UP THE MOCK PICLT Mimi: THESE CHAINS ARE INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SPLIT RING DECORATIVELY PLACED IN TEH MIDDLE NancyCarol: I can tell it's a fake picot... Barbara: like that toothpick ridgetatter: or even your crochet hook end works stitchingsharon: toothpick? Cynthia: IT WORKS TO KEEP THE PICOT TINY LIKE THE REST WILL BE. ridgetatter: like a guage Cynthia: SS--A TOOTHPICK AS A GAUGE ridgetatter: uniformity Pam F: brb stitchingsharon: duh Mimi: NO DUH, JUST NEW IDEAS! Mimi: THE FIRST CHAIN WILL BE 4 DS, SMALL PICOT, 6 DS, THEN YOU'LL NEED TO SET UP FOR A RING Cynthia: I PREFER THE TOOTHPICK AS IT IS EASIER TO HOLD AND IF YOU DROP IT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT STEPPING ON IT ridgetatter: true stitchingsharon: I like one of those large coated paper clips (unfolded) as a guage for very small picots Mimi: YOU'LL NEED TO DO IT WITH SHUTTLE 2 (THE SHUTTLE HOLDING THE THREAD THAT WAS OVER YOUR HAND) ridgetatter: yes, I use paperclips also the larger ones Mimi: NTERESTING THAT SHE REVERSED HER WORK? CYNTHIA DO YOU THINK THAT'S NECESSARY AND I'M MISSING SOMETHING? Pam F: i'm back Mimi: WHATEVER YOU DO MAKE SURE THAT THE ORIGINAL FRST PART OF THE CHAIN IS TENSIONED PROPERLY Mimi: IT WILL NOT SLIDE AFTER THE S/R Cynthia: JUST A MINUTE i NEED TO READ IT...I DIDN'T GET TO TRY IT THIS AFTERNOON-- Mimi: AFTER MAKING THE S/R, RE-ORIENT YOUR SHUTTLES AND FINISH THE CHAIN Mimi: NOTE THAT THE PATTERN HAS AN ERROR AT THIS POINT Mimi: IT SHOULD BE 6 DS, SMALL P, *FOUR* DS BEFORE MAKING A LOCK JOIN TO THE TOP PICOT OF THE NEXT RING Barbara: uh oh\ Mimi: GILLIAN NEVER DID FIX THAT EVEN THOUGH WE POINTED IT OUT TO HER Mimi: THAT'S ALL RIGHT THE PATTERN IS TOO OUTSTANDING FOR THIS TEACHING PURPOSE TO QUIBBLE Mimi: THE NEXT 7 CHAINS WILL BE MADE THE SAME WAY, EXCEPT YOU WILL NEED TO JOIN TO THE PREVIOUS CHAIN IN THE FIRST SECTION Mimi: AND OF COURSE ON THE LAST CHAIN JOIN TO THE BEGINNING PICOT OF THE FIRST CHAIN Mimi: BEFORE FINISHING ENDS AT THE TOP OF THE MOCK PICOT Mimi: EW ridgetatter: where is this pattern url? Mimi: WHEW I MEAN ridgetatter: LOL Mimi: http://web.archive.org/web/20080131064742/http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art5541.asp Mimi: CYNTHIA DID GILLIAN EVER WRITE BACK? ridgetatter: thanks didn't catch it before Cynthia: I THINK THE RW IN STEP MAY NOT BE NECESSARY Cynthia: AS OF TONIGHT NO SHE HASN'T... BJ YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST CORRECTED IT WITHOUT THINKING Mimi: I FREQUENTLY DON'T READ PATTERNS AS I SHOULD AND ... UH OH.... MAKE ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON WHAT I TATTED EARLIER (BASED ON MY VERSION OF SYMMETRY :))) Cynthia: I'VE DONE THAT. MY DAUGHTER DISCOVERED I WAS DOING JUST THAT--CORRECTING MINOR PROBLEMS WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT IT NancyCarol: I still had my corrected copy in my notebook, so that's what I use stitchingsharon: symmetry Mimi: I GET MYSELF INTO 'RETROTATTING' SITUATIONS FREQUENTLY :) Mimi: ANY OTHER QUESITONS/COMMENTS ABOUT THE FLOWER? Cynthia: I DOWNLOADED THE PATTERN THIS AFTERNOON... Mimi: THE OTHER SUGGESTED HOMEWORK PATTERN IN THIS LESSON IS http://www.rr1.net/users/aktatter/av3/valeiresquare.html Mimi: IT'S A RE-DO OF AN ANTIQUE PATTERN Mimi: THAT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN WITH EACH ROUND STOPPING WIHT A TIE AND CUT Mimi: BUT YOU CAN DO THIS ONE'S FIRST 2 ROUNDS AS RE-WRITTEN Mimi: BUT THEN STOP Mimi: WE WILL LEARN THE NECESSARY NEW TECHNIQUE TO GET TO THE 3RD ROUND IN LESSON 5 Mimi: SORRY TO LEAVE YOU WITH A 2-WEEK CLIFF HANGER Mimi: (NEXT WEEK NO LESSON BECAUSE OF THANKSGIVING) ridgetatter from x.x.x.5 joined the chat 6 minutes ago Mimi: BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE TIME TO CAREFULLY READ LESSON 5 THEN TOO stitchingsharon: next lesson is split chain??? I need that! ridgetatter: Oh yeah, me too I need that big time Mimi: TECHNICALLY WITH SPLIT RINGS WE HAVE MOVED OUT OF THE REALM OF BEGINNERS AND INTO THE RANKS OF THE INTERMEDIATES Cynthia: AND TRY THE TECHNIQUES Mimi: SPLIT CHAIN IS MOST DEFINITELY INTERMEDIATE Pam F: perfect time for me to catch up with my reading and tatting Cynthia: I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH SPLIT CHAINS...I WONDER WHY THEY PUT IT IN THE BEGINNERS... ridgetatter: I'm only a beginner with experience LOL NancyCarol: split chains are still to be conquered! ridgetatter: I'm glad they added it to beginners....moves one along Mimi: WHO PUT IT IN BEGINNERS? PALMETTOS?? Mimi: EEK! ridgetatter: We didn't have it in beginners back in 07 Pam F: lol Mimi: TRUE BEV, IT WAS THE "BONUS LESSON' ridgetatter: Guess I missed one.... Mimi: KATIA THOUGHT WE SHOULD ADD IT AS A 5TH WEEK INSTEAD ridgetatter: rats Mimi: SINCE WE ROUTINELY GET VERY SMART PEOPLE ridgetatter: I'm glad you added it, one reason I'm back ridgetatter: LOL Mimi: WHO ELSE WOULD HAVE THE GUTS FOR SELF STUDY BUT THE BRIGHTEST? NancyCarol: More and more patterns show split chains. It's getting to be expected Mimi: SEEMED BEST TO KEEP THAT IN Mimi: WE ALSO HAVE A BRIEF INTRO TO BEADS ridgetatter: oh yeah keep that up kiss a blarney stone lately? Mimi: A WHOLE LONG COURSE OF STUDY IN THEMSELVES Barbara: 2 weeks will be needed here just to do the tatting Pam F: And you know this Mimi stitchingsharon: With my work schedule, My attendance is hit & miss, but I always learn something when I get here Mimi: HEE HEE I WORE BOOTS :) Barbara: split chain are beyond me, at this point ridgetatter: Beads aren't as horrid as I thought they'd be, but I'm still refining the experience Cynthia: YOU CAN ALL TAT INSTEAD OF COOK AFTER THANKSGIVING Mimi: THEN SOME BLOCKING AND ALSO ENCOURAGEMENT TO GO FORTH AND JOIN THE MONDAY CLASS Barbara: i still have to work as long as i like to eat ridgetatter: Oh no Barbara....not really sounds harder than it actually is I did it once~ LOL Mimi: IF YOU CAN SPLIT RING BARBARA, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GRASP SPLIT CHAINS NancyCarol: I may come back for lesson 5 indefinitely! ridgetatter: I use to think split rings were monsters but I love them now Mimi: COVERING THE PLASTIC RING WITH TATTING IS VERY GOOD PRACTICE Mimi: WITH PERSISTENCE YOU'LL GET THERE Barbara: i'm sure it is just time and practice ridgetatter: yes, basically same principle Mimi: LESSON 5 IS AT http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson5.html stitchingsharon: grasping isn't same as doing.... wrapping that plastic ring still gets me befuddled ridgetatter: putting stiches on an empty part of the thread Mimi: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS EVENING? Mimi: WHICH INSTRUCTIONS ARE YOU USING SHARON? Cynthia: TRY THE SPLIT CHAIN FIRST WITH A THICK CROCHET THREAD OR EVEN NYLON STRING ridgetatter: no, but thanks for having me back with you guys I missed you Mimi I'll use size 10 thread Barbara: i will have to go to bed now Mimi: A GOOD TIP FOR ANY NEW TECHNIQUE, CYNTHIA Cynthia: IT IS EASIER TO SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING Mimi: THANKS FOR COMING BJ AND BARBARA Barbara: morning is early ridgetatter: bye Cynthia: EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO REPEAT AND DROP IN AS THEY WANT Cynthia: MIMI WE NEED TO CHAT A MIN AFTER THE CLASS IS OVER stitchingsharon: It was good to see everyone again. I'll be back as often as possible. stitchingsharon: Goodnight all. Barbara: i will have to repeat and monday is not necessarily a good evening for me ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com