The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Fri Nov 14 03:22:43 2008 GMT (189 KB) Page 4 of 4 - Char 153679 to 193828 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ Cynthia: yes Mimi and a gal as well--brb with her name Mimi: I pinch the bobbin with thumb under one end of the hole and finger at the top hole Mimi: then I tie on the thread Cynthia: take the bobbin out and hold it Mimi: Leaving a thread hanging out the hole so that I can keep it pinched between finger and bobbin to keep it from slipping Cynthia: Margaret needs to get in brb when I get info and margaret Mimi: then rotate the bobbin with the other htand Mimi: I use the rotating hand to guide the thread a bit Mimi: if you're lucky enough to have a sewing machine that fits those bobbins Mimi: Then it's a piece of cake Mimi: But I don't so I wind by hand Pamela Ford from x.x.x.198 joined the chat 69 minutes ago Mimi: I know some folks get "bobbin buddies stitchingsharon: It won't fit my sewing machine, and didn't fit that sidewinder machine either Mimi: Small clamp thingies that hold the thread on after it's wound stitchingsharon: What's a bobbin buddie? Mimi: Then they sit and wind a bunch of bobbins at once Mimi: then clamp on the thread holder - or put the bobbins in a holder - to keep the threads from unwinding/tangling Mimi: Talk about production tatters :) Pamela Ford: wow stitchingsharon: Guess necessity is the mother of invention..... stitchingsharon: I took a dowel that was a little smaller than the diameter of the hole. Cynthia: I just take the bobbins out and hold them between my thumb and forefinger to spin with my other hand after I get the thread started Pamela Ford: I do the same thing stitchingsharon: Slid the bobbin on it. Wound large rubber bands on either side of the bobbin to hold it still, and used that to wind. Cynthia: I usually wind at least 2 of each color so I don't have to stop and wind so often Pamela Ford: how or where do you find extra bobbins for the boye shuttles? stitchingsharon: Just holding the bobbin, I was winding thread (instead of walking bobbin) and all that extra twist added - not good Mimi: Good idea sharon, save some wear and tear on the hands. Pamela Ford: Can you use the bobbins from the DMC shuttles in the boye shuttles? Margaret from x.x.x.138 joined the chat 65 minutes ago Mimi: But you can reposition the thread with respect to the bobbin if you try I think Mimi: Bobbin lacemakers do something similar with their bobbins Margaret: hello to all, sorry I am late again. Phone call this week was a good one Mimi: Have you seen/used lace bobbins? stitchingsharon: I think the metal shuttles/bobbins are pretty much interchangable. Mimi: The are basically a stick with one portion hollowed out where you wind the thread Cynthia: yes I know how that goes. with winding instead of rolling stitchingsharon: Lace bobbins? Mimi: They pin a fairly long string to their pillow stitchingsharon: Are those the long and skinny things Mimi: Exactly, Sharon! Cynthia: hi Margaret Mimi: They roll the stick part of the bobbin up and down this string, and in so doing, wind thread onto the bobbin Mimi: I'll have to look to see if there's still instructions for that on line Mimi: There are some ladies in my lace guild who are champions at it Margaret: when I shuttle tatted, I used the true aero shuttles (now made in Germany) and the bobbin fit onto the other end from the crochet hook and I played "walk the dog" as in yo0yo Cynthia: we're discussing winding bobbins by rolling not wrapping Mimi: But with a dowel in the hole of the bobbin from the shuttle, you could do the same thing Mimi: ... I think?? :) Margaret: Margaret I. Boos, needle (this year) maggiep54@sympatico.ca, London, Ontario, CANADA Cynthia: yes I think I'll try that as my fingers get tired holding them Margaret: anyone else old enough to remember playing yo-yo? stitchingsharon: It's not pretty but it got the job done. Mimi: Here's an image of a lace pillow with bobbins : http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/christy/232/pillow.jpg Cynthia: yes even my kids do Margaret: it was a lightbulb moment last year (probably in the fourth time through these lessons) that I realized winding the bobbin was only 'walking the dog' Mimi: Should we get started now that Margaret is here? Pamela Ford: Yes...never figured out how to walk the dog though Pamela Ford: Sure Mimi: LET'S SIGN IN LIKE MARGARET DID Cynthia: neither did I Pamela Ford from x.x.x.198 changed name to Pam 60 minutes ago Mimi: MIMI DILLMAN, SHUTTLE, ntrop@ix.netcom.com, Snohomish, WA USA Margaret: I didn't realize that no one else had signed in stitchingsharon: Sharon Fawns Hillsboro Kentucky USA stitchingsharon@hughes.net Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson, brasthatfit at yahoo.com, Stillwater OK USA Pam: Pamela Ford, shuttle, gchild3167@yahoo.com, Dekalb, IL Cynthia: oops both shuttle and needle Mimi: TONIGHT'S LESSON IS http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson3.html Mimi: BUT FIRST, ANY REMAINING QUESTIONS FROM LESSON 2 Pam: oops...shuttle and needle stitchingsharon: shuttle for me Pam: no questions Mimi: WELL IF NO QUESTIONS ON LESSON 2, DID EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO READ OVER LESSON 3? stitchingsharon: I'm good Mimi: WE'RE STARTING INTO THE MORE COMPLEX NOTIONS NOW Pam: yes Margaret: I didn't get a chance to start the communion cloth pattern and just now looked (once more) at lesson 3 Cynthia: after we conquered the ds then how can it be more complex? we're building on what we know Margaret: but I did needle tat two more butterflies --this time in valdani 12 thread (variegated yellow) I will post them to the yahoo group photo album later Margaret: is there anyone else beside me learning needle this time through the lessons? Cynthia: I'm still working on them and so is Pam, I think stitchingsharon: Afar talking with Cynthia, I may try the needle again Mimi: WELL, SUDDENLHY WE'RE NOT RINGS AND CHAINS ANYMORE Pam: working on? Margaret: may I ask a general question? Mimi: WELL, WE ARE BUT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT ORIENTATIONS Margaret: is this chat tat room open 24 hours a day? Mimi: YES Cynthia: yes working on learning how to work the needle Mimi: FIRST: LOCK JOIN Mimi: USED WHEN YOU ARE JOINING BELOW THE CORE THREAD OF YOUR TATTING INSTEAD OF THE USUAL ABOVE Pam: yes..I'm learning on both Mimi: IT MAKES A KNOT, SO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. THEY ARE SOMETIMES DIFFICULT TO UNDO Mimi: HAS EVERYONE DONE THE LOCK JOIN? Cynthia: yes but I didn't call it that...until I read the lesson stitchingsharon: yes. That little heart kicked my butt last class -- but I did it Pam: no...I haven't done that yet. Debi from x.x.x.167 joined the chat 52 minutes ago Debi: Sorry i am late just got home from work. Mimi: PLEASE SIGN IN DEBI, YOU DIDN'T MISS MUCH WE'RE STARTING LESSON 3 DISCUSSION WITH LOCK JOINS Cynthia: pls sign in Debi Margaret: do needle tatters use the lock join? Mimi: PAM DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO DO IT OR JUST NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY? Cynthia: I have Mimi: MARGARET FOR BEST RESULTS THEY DO Debi: Debi Marik, Sandpoint, Idaho , mtnlivin1@yahoo.com Pam: just not had the opportunity...no questions Mimi: THE VALENTINE HEART IS AN EXCELLENT PATTERN ON WHICH TO PRACTICE Margaret: I started at a new support centre this week and have had little time to do much else Mimi: KATIA PARTICULARLY RECOMMENDS IT FOR BEGINNERS Pam: o.k. I'll work on that one this week Margaret: but many women were intrigued with my needle tatting Mimi: http://www.ringoftatters.org.uk/seasonal/valentine/rpheart.html Mimi: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON LOCK JOINS? Pam: pretty Cynthia: I made little baskets for a tiny Christmas tree Cynthia: with 80 tatting thread it made a cute earring Mimi: IN THAT PATTERN, EACH TIME YOU JOIN A CHAIN TO A CHAIN, YOU'RE MAKING A LOCK JOIN stitchingsharon: Clever. I'm trying to do some Christmas ornaments.. Mimi: XMAS TREE BASKETS? 2-D OR 3-D? Margaret: the leader of the jewellery making group (for profit) asked me to teach a workshop in January on needle tatting Pam: this gives me an excuse to go out and buy red thread now Mimi: LOL PAM Cynthia: both but 3-D fit a tiny ornament and was really cute--I used 20 and 10 crochet thread Mimi: NIFTY Mimi: EXT IN THE LESSON IS THE SHOE LACE TRICK Mimi: NEEDLE LACERS SCRATCH THEIR HEADS AT THIS ONE Margaret: last night I found size 20, 30 and 40 crochet thread in my stash Cynthia: They work fine for a hershey's kiss or a mint Mimi: WHY MENTION IT AT ALL? IT'S WHAT THEY DO ALL THE TIME, TIE OFF THREADS AT THE END OF THE RING OR CHAIN Mimi: BUT SHUTTLE TATTERS NEED IT TOO Mimi: TO REPOSITION THREADS - MAYBE RUNNING OUT WITH ONE SO WITH A QUICK TIE, YOU CAN SWAP THE SHORTER THREAD TO BE THE CORE THREAD AND GET TO A BETTER PLACE TO ADD THREADS Mimi: OR Mimi: OR Margaret: could I have done that MIMI, when I was tatting the mortarboard pattern with two shuttles when my usual shuttle ran out of thread but the other one had plenty? Mimi: EXACTLY MARGARET! Mimi: ISN'T IT SNEAKY? Mimi: THE OTHER USE IS CONTROL OF COLOR Pam: yes..I did this with the medalion I'm working on Margaret: I thought about but wasn't sure so tied a knot and worked the ends in later Mimi: THAT WORKS TOO stitchingsharon: I avoid having ends whenever possible Mimi: HAS ANYONE TRIED 2 COLOR TATTING YET? Mimi: IE HAVING A DIFFERENT COLOR ON THE SHUTTLE/NEEDLE FROM THE BALL THREAD? Margaret: just in shuttle stitchingsharon: yes Pam: no...I'm afraid I've been a little initmidated by this one Mimi: IT'S EASY EASY PAM Margaret: that is how I started almost two years ago with Clyde teaching me in person in my own home Debi: shuttle not needle, yet. Mimi: WHAT HAPPENS - IN SHUTTLE TATTING - IS THAT YOU'LL GET RINGS THE COLOR OF THE SHUTTLE THREAD Mimi: CHAINS THE COLOR OF THE BALL THREAD Mimi: VERY COOL Cynthia: Pam think of it as a chain--1 color center and 2 is ds's Pam: ooooh cool Mimi: ALL JUST TATTING THE WAY YOU ALWAYS HAVE stitchingsharon: ok Cynthia: just a sneaky change that makes it look different Mimi: NEEDLE TATTERS HAVE IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO CHANGE COLORS Pam: like we did the first time with trying to make ds and chains Mimi: RINGS WILL HAVE TO BE TRUE RINGS TO BE A DIFFERENT COLOR FROM THE CHAINS Mimi: EXACTLY PAM Margaret: I should post more pictures of my previous work. I have tatted two crosses from Monica Hahn's book using two colours when I was a newbie shuttle tatter Cynthia: yes Pam Mimi: YOU DIN'T KNOW IT HAD A FANCY NAME LIKE "TWO COLOR TATTING" Mimi: :) Pam: LOL no Mimi: SORRY WE WERE HOLDING OUT ON YOU KEEPING A SECRET :) Margaret: last week I didn't pick up how to go from a true ring to a SCMR in needle Pam: ok...now I'm excited to get a matching color for the red thread I'm going to get stitchingsharon: ok Mimi: BEFORE WE TIE THIS UP (SO TO SPEAK) HAS EVERYONE TRIED RINGS OFF CHAINS? Margaret: no Mimi: LOL PAM, EVERYONE NEEDS A THREAD PALLETTE Pam: yes stitchingsharon: yes. Those are neat Debi: no Margaret: I was confused last year by this term but I think I shuttle tatted the amount I did, correctly Mimi: I THINK YOU DID THEM WITH SHUTTLES MARGARET - WE DID GET YOU GOING ON 2 SHUTTLES FINALLY RIGHT? Mimi: SHUTTLE TATTERS WILL NEED 2 SHUTTLES TO MAKE A RING STAND UP ON TOP OF A CHAIN Pam: the wreath in Barbara Foster's needle tatting book is rings off of chains isn't it? Margaret: I thought by "rings off chains" one meant 3-D tatting and it was lying flat Mimi: NO, SIMPLER THAN THAT Cynthia: yes and they aren't as hard as they sound. See the rings on rings right after the rings on the ball Cynthia: in the libnks Margaret: I have done the medallion in Barbara's book using size 10 crochet cotton and a #3 needle seeings as I lost my #5 Mimi: THE PRACTICE PATTERN IS http://www.rr1.net/users/aktatter/roundrobin/newbiesroundrobin.html Cynthia: links Mimi: THE RINGS I REFER TO ARE THE GROUPS OF 3 STANDING UP OFF THE LONG CHAINS Cynthia: awesome pattern and easier than you think Mimi: CYNTHIA, WHEN YOU DO THOSE NEEDLE TATTING, DO YOU CUT THE THREAD OFF THE BALL, THREAD ON THE NEEDLE, AND MAKE TRUE RINGS? Margaret: please define very specifically what you mean by "standing up off the" Mimi: I ALWAYS THINK LIKE A SHUTLE TATTER SO MIGHT MAKE IT HARDER THAN NEED BE Mimi: MARGARET, THE BASE (POINTY END) OF THE RING IS ATTACHED TO THE CHAIN ABOVE THE CURVE OF THE CHAIN, ABOVE THE WAISTBANDS OF THE DS'S Mimi: KATIA WAS ALWAYS SAYING "WELL, THERE IS AN EASIER WAY..." lol Cynthia: no I did a messy scmr and tried again but the first time I didn't have a good direction....see the rings on rings Margaret: I find with the needle that I need a significant amount of thread so I can close the SCMR. I don't need quite as much in true rings Pam: Oh ok...the chains are in the same orientation as the rings Pam: no I haven't done this stitchingsharon: http://www.ringoftatters.org.uk/seasonal/xmas/smagill/smagill1.html stitchingsharon: I LOVE this little snowflake for practicing rings off chains and SCMR Cynthia: nice patterns sharon, thanks Mimi: RIGHT SHARON, MORE RINGS STANDING OFF THE TOP OF CHAINS Pam: ooh pretty snowflake Mimi: VERY PRETTY SNOWFLAKE Cynthia: I was looking for it but hadn't found it yet Mimi: WHAT COLOR WILL THAT ONE BE PAM Pam: LOL, mmmmm blue maybe stitchingsharon: Makes the snowflake look more complex than it really is. Mimi: RIGHT, BUT IT'S DONE ALL IN ONE PASS Mimi: YOU HAVE TO STOP PART WAY THROUGH THE CHAIN Mimi: TAKE THE THREAD THAT'S OVER YOUR HAND Mimi: AND USE THAT TO MAKE THE RING Cynthia: yes and we don't have to tell anyone that it is easer than it looks Mimi: THEN PUT IT BACK IN CHAIN POSITION AND PICK UP THE OTHER SHUTTLE AND CONTINUE WITH THE CHAIN, SAME CORE THREAD CONTINUING Mimi: WELL, SOME OF US HAD TROUBLE WITH THE 2ND SHUTTLE AT FIRST (OOPS, TRUE CONFESSIONS HERE) Mimi: SO BE PATIENT WITH YOURSELF Pam: ok I think I'm over-thinking this again Mimi: YOU CAN THINK OF SHUTTLE 2 AS A BALL Mimi: THAT WON'T RUN AWAY! Mimi: AND THAT YOU CAN PICK UP AND TAT WITH SHOULD THE NEED ARISE Pam: ohh ok shuttle 2 as ball thread stitchingsharon: I had to stop and think which was the core thread, tied a few knots before I got it sorted out Mimi: (OF COURSE THE THREAD IS SHORTER BUT YOU CAN'T WIN THEM ALL :)) Cynthia: we've all had trouble with something at first....been there...done that Mimi: RIGHT SHARON, GOOD TIP: STOP AND THINK FIRST stitchingsharon: I have a way to stop that ball from running away Mimi: IN ANY CASE, HAVING 2 SHUTTLES BRINGS ME BACK TO THE POSSIBILITIES OF COLOR Margaret: I MUST find the time to spend experimenting with my tatting this week. I am also behind in the cross-stitching for which I am being paid to do stitchingsharon: Those little scrunchy loops for kids ponytails. Mimi: WITH SOME THOUGHT, AND THE SHOE-LACE TRICK UP YOUR SLEEVE, YOU CAN PUT COLOR WHERE YOU WANT IT INSTEAD OF BEING A SLAVE TO Mimi: RINGS ONE COLOR CHAINS ANOTHER stitchingsharon: Fit nicely over a ball of thread, keeps it from unwinding before you want it to Mimi: GREAT IDEA SHARON. BUT IT'S TOUGH TO PUT THE BALL THROUGH THE RING LIKE A SHUTTLE SOMETIMES :) Mimi: BUT WHEN YOU'RE KEEPING THE BALL ON YOUR LAP, THAT SHOULD WORK A TREAT Mimi: ONE LAST MENTION ON COLOR: WE HAD A WHAT-IF DISCUSSION IN ONE OF THE EARLIER CLASSES stitchingsharon: Helps when doing just rings and chains Mimi: IT WAS: HOW CAN WE ACCOMPLISH A CANDY-CANE? Mimi: IE. GET A RING/CHAIN OF ONE COLOR FOLLOWED BY A RING/CHAIN OF ANOTHER TO ACHIEVE STRIPES stitchingsharon: sometimes though -- like the little snowflakes, you've GOT to use 2 shuttles. Mimi: SINCE WE'RE THINKING HOLIDAYS, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/candycane.html Mimi: THERE'S A PATTERN INCLUDED - DONE BY STEPHANIE, A FORMER STUDENT Mimi: THAT SHOULD WORK FOR NEEDLE OR SHUTTLE stitchingsharon: Shoelace trick to switch the 2 shuttles? Mimi: RIGHT! Mimi: SO YOU DON'T NEED THE PATTERN, RIGHT? Cynthia: the pattern is there just in case.... Pam: cool! Mimi from x.x.x.200 joined the chat 26 minutes ago Mimi: OOPS LOGGED MYSELF OUT BY MISTAKE Margaret from x.x.x.138 joined the chat 26 minutes ago Mimi: ONE LAST ITEM IN THE LESSON Mimi: SCMR Mimi: SELF CLOSING MOCK RING Cynthia: been there done that coccasionallly Mimi Mimi: AGAIN A VERY LONG INTIMIDATING SOUNDING NAME AND 4-LETTER ACRONYM Cynthia: occasionally ..... Mimi: FOR SOMETHING NEEDLE TATTERS DO ALL THE TIME Margaret: I can do that easily in needle but haven't done it yet in shuttle -- probably won't now Mimi: RINGS Mimi: THE STANDARD NEEDLE TATTED RING IS A SCMR! stitchingsharon: Took a while, but I got it! Cynthia: but it is very useful in shuttle Mimi: YAY SHARON Mimi: IT CAN BE VERY USEFUL stitchingsharon: Very useful with shuttle Cynthia: as well as needle Mimi: BASICALLY, IT'S A CHAIN Margaret: I think I will learn completely and stick with needle. I have even ordered the wool tatting needles Mimi: BUT BY RESERVING A SMALL LOOP OF THE CORE THREAD OF THE CHAIN AT THE BEGINNING Mimi: YOU CAN FINISH THE CHAIN Mimi: THEN ENLARGE THAT LOOP Mimi: STICK THE SHUTTLE THROUGH THE LOP Mimi: AND TENSION Mimi: AND VOILA IT LOOKS LIKE A RING!q Margaret: is that what is done when one starts with a paper clip? Cynthia: gently tension to get a ring Mimi: RIGHT MARGARET Mimi: THAT PAPER CLIP WILL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A LOOP TO PULL ON Cynthia: it can be Margaret: I started the mortarboard with a paper clip so maybe I have done this with the shuttle and didn't even realize it Mimi: SIMILAR IDEA MARGARET Mimi: PAPERCLIPS ARE GOOD FOR DEAD-END STARTS Margaret: please explain that term Mimi: WHERE YOU HAVE TO START WITH A CHAIN AND JOIN TO THE END OF THE CHAIN LATER Mimi: BUT YOU DON'T PULL THE CORE THREAD LOOP OUT, JUST USE PAPER CLIP TO LEAVE A SMALL PICOT stitchingsharon: ok Cynthia: and to join at the end if you will be joining them both Margaret: I think that is what I did in the mortarboard Mimi: BUT SCMR IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT Cynthia: Ruth Perry has a star of david that uses it and it comes out nice Mimi: YOU PUT THE ENTIRE SHUTTLE THROUGH THE LOOP OF CORE THREAD Margaret: Mimi, would you like me to post in my photo album on the Yahoo group all of my pictures of my tatting? stitchingsharon: Link please Margaret: or everyone could just visit my blog: http://www.margaretstatting.blogspot.com Mimi: SURE MARGARET, THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THE GROUP - EVERYONE CAN POST THEIR WORK (AND NOT WAIT FOR ME TO GET "A ROUND TUIT") Mimi: EITHER WAY Cynthia: definately Margaret Margaret: I believe I finished the 25-motif challenge --at least I am counting that I did -- see blog Mimi: AND YOU *HAVE* DONE THE RINGS OFF CHAINS - BLUE SNOWFLAKE jULY 14 ENTRY Mimi: CONGRATULATIONS! Cynthia: see easier than you thought Margaret: that was tatted by Bob in Wales for the international beginners round robin Mimi: SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT LESSON 3 BEFORE WE LEAVE TONIGHT? Mimi: OOPS, Margaret: I just posted pictures of all the ornaments I had received in the round robin Pam: nope...just need to sit and tat it all out. Margaret: thanks Mimi and Cynthia stitchingsharon: no questions, just need more tatting time Mimi: NEXT WEEK IS LESSON 4 Margaret: had a big day today and since I have slept in all four days so far this week, and I have a 9 am doctor's appt, I must be in bed early tonight Pam: yeah thanks again Mimi and Cynthia...this has been fun as always Mimi: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson4.html Mimi: WE'LL HAVE THE CHAT NEXT THURSDAY THEN YOU'LL HAVE 2 WEEKS TO WORK ON IT... ASSUMING YOU HAVE TIME DURING THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY (MARGARET WILL...) stitchingsharon: Thanks for another informative class. Hope to join ya'll again next week Mimi: YES PLEASE SHARON Mimi: AND PAM AND DEB Cynthia: some of the links don't work quite right yet Mimi: AND MARGARET Mimi: ALL KNOW MORE THAN YOU THINK Mimi: WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE IS THE TATTING CLASS VOCABULARY - NAMES FOR THE TERMS Margaret: no Thanksgiving holiday here. Ours was October 13 Cynthia: and can do more than you think you can. Mimi: ONLY PICOTNET ONE I THINK CYNTHIA Mimi: I'VE LOCATED A REPLACEMENT ON THE WAYBACK MACHINE AND WILL UPDATE IT Pam: I'll be in Birmingham, AL next week but I plan on showing up for class. Cynthia: good. I deleted my document and will have to do it again Margaret: how do we exit again? Mimi: NO SPLIT RING FLOWER IS GONE, THAT'S RIGHT Mimi: THAT ONE'S NOT ON WAYBACK Mimi: BELLA ONLINE SOMEHOW ISN'T SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE "CATCHING" THAT WAYBACK DOES. Cynthia: I try to print them all out before class and I think it is in my file I'll search Mimi: A SHAME, IT'S A NIFTY PATTERN. I HOPE GILLIAN WRITES BACK WITH PERMISSION Mimi: AND THE PATTERN IF YOUR PRINTOUT ISN'T AVAILABLE. Margaret from x.x.x.138 left the chat 14 minutes ago Cynthia: yes it doesn't get all of them. I only wrote to Gillian today stitchingsharon: goodnight all Mimi: SHE'S IN ENGLAND SO I EXPECT YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING BY TOMORROW AFTERNOON IF SHE'S A DAILY EMAIL READER Cynthia: I didn't know where she was just put it in the mail...also georgia's came back with aol.com not her current addy... Cynthia: I don't know is going on maybe just a cyber glitch Pam: good night all Pam from x.x.x.198 left the chat 11 minutes ago Debi: bye, I am printining so I can re read this when I am not so tired. Mimi: GOOD IDEA DEB, THAT'S THE BEST USE FOR THE LOG Mimi: HAVE A GOOD EVENING Debi: you too. Cynthia: do we need to chat Mimi? Mimi: GOOD NIGHT TO YOU TOO CYNTHIA. HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND A NICE LITTLE SPLIT RING MOTIF TO REPLACE/AUGMENT GILLIAN'S Mimi: I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE DO YOU? Cynthia: I think we have covered everything Mimi: OK THEN GOOD NIGHT TIME TO COOK. YOU TAKE CARE Cynthia: good night and Peace to everyone