brasthatfit: HI MIMI mimid63: Good evening! bookjazz: Hey Mimi! Debi Marik: Hi mimi. gchild3167: Hi Mimi bookjazz: Who else are we expecting? brasthatfit: WE WERE JUST SIGNING IN...GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE CAPS, MIMI AS THAT IS RESERVED FOR US brasthatfit: NOT SURE IF ANYONE ELSE Debi Marik: Debi Marik, mtnlivin1,Sandpoint, idaho bookjazz: Well, it looks like a good group already! mimid63: JUST THE TEACHERS mimid63: MIMI DILLMAN, SNOHOMISH, WA USA ntrop at ix.netcom.com brasthatfit: YES JUST US DOING THE TEACHING, HOW DID YOUR DAY GO MIMI--EVERYONE HERE HAS BEEN FINE mimid63: I'M GLAD TO HEAR IT. OTHER THAN TRYING TO GET HOME ALL IS FINE HERE TOO. brasthatfit: I DON'T LIKE THE BOLD SO AM SKIPPING THAT brasthatfit: DID ANYONE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS READING THE LESSON? bthighlander: No, I have done several rings, just two picots, right? Debi Marik: are going to put up angelfire addy brasthatfit: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/ brasthatfit: ICOPIED IT DIDN'T TRY TO TYPE IT... mimid63: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson1.html mimid63: TAKES YOU DIRECTLY TO TONIGHT'S LESSON bthighlander: gchild3167: No. Have done rings, chains and picots and joining rings and chains. mimid63: I MADE SOME CHANGES BASIS ENCOURAGEMENT FROM KELLY AND HOPEFULLY NO MORE BROKEN LINKS ?? brasthatfit: BONNY DID YOU GET TO READ IT Debi Marik: no worries reading. bthighlander: yes, ma'am, I am looking at it right now. gchild3167: Is anyone seeing my messages twice? or is just me? bthighlander: I have made several rings. brasthatfit: JUST YOU PAM mimid63: I HAD THAT PROBLEM LAST TIME PAM, TONIGHT'S OK Debi Marik: my red keeps going. bookjazz: only once here. brasthatfit: GOOD DID YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THEM TO CLOSE? gchild3167: Oh..o.k. guess it's Messenger's way of IDing myself in the conversation bthighlander: yesm mimid63: ANNOYING, ISN'T IT. I WISH I KNW WHAT I DID TO MAKE IT GO AWAY (GLAD IT'S GONE) brasthatfit: YOU NEEDLE TAT RIGHT, BONNY... bthighlander: yes'm, left handed. brasthatfit: DID THE TUTORIALS HELP? Debi Marik: I did practice a little w/needle. bthighlander: uh, well, that is a long story, it helped to reinforce. Debi Marik: much better w/shuttle and tha stinks bthighlander: better with a shuttle? I really like needle. bthighlander: okay, brb, i have to herd cats. brasthatfit: I LIKE BOTH FOR DIFFERENT THREADS AND EFFECTS Debi Marik: I think, its easier, but i want to do both. Debi Marik: herd cats, have a border collir, want to use mine brasthatfit: DEBI I FIND IT EASIER TO LEARN A NEW TECHNIQUE WITH THE ONE YOU ARE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH THEN SWITCH AND GET BETTER AT BOTH brasthatfit: HOW DID READING PATTERNS GO? WHICH KIND OF PATTERN DO YOU FIND EASER? Debi Marik: thats what I was doing, I have ring, ds, down so went to the needle. Debi Marik: need more practice there. brasthatfit: GOOD HOW DID IT GO? ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE RING? ON THE NEEDLE? Debi Marik: got picots too, but wanted to know should we use spacers or fake it gchild3167: I like both the long and short hand...the diagrams are ok if they are not complicated Debi Marik: alot of times I will get up from it if I don't understand and come back and it registers. brasthatfit: PICOTS DO WELL WITH EYEING THEM AFTER YOU GET SOME PRACTICE BUT FOR REALLY PRECISE PICOTS A GAUGE IS HANDY mimid63: USE OF A PICOT GAUGE/SPACER IS A PERSONAL CHOICE. IF YOUR WORK LOOKS GOOD ENOUGH TO YOU WHEN YOU "EYEBALL" PICOT SIZES, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH! mimid63: I USE GAUGES WHEN I HAVE FRILLY RINGS OR CHAINS AND CAN'T STAND HAVING ONE OR TWO BEING DIFFERENT Debi Marik: ok mimid63: I ACTUALLY FIND IT'S FASTER. SOMETIMES mimid63: MAY FIND GAUGES HANDY WHEN YOU GET MORE ADVANCED AND ARE DOING BEADWORK. brasthatfit: TRY THE BUTTERFLIES WITH EYEBALLING AND ALSO USING SOMETHING TO GAUGE THEM==A TOOTHPICK OR SMALL STRAW BOTH WORK Debi Marik: Jeff, where do you live Debi Marik: jennifer, sorry gchild3167: How do you use a gauge in shuttle when both of your hands are busy with the threads? mimid63: GRIP IT WITH MY LEFT-HAND PINCH (I AM A RIGHT HANDED TATTER) gchild3167: Me too Debi Marik: picking up ad utting down, it messes you up mostly I think brasthatfit: IT CAN I USUALLY JUST EYE THE PICOTS BUT IF IT NEEDS TO BE EXACT I TAKE LONGER WITH THE GAUGE mimid63: I FIND IF I'M USING THE GAUGE HORIZONTALLY, I CAN BALANCE IT ON TOP OF THE RING THREAD BY HOLDING THE END IN THE PINCH gchild3167: o.k. that may work..I'll try that mimid63: LOOKS TO ME LIKE WE COULD USE A TUTORIAL ON THIS ONE CYNTHIA mimid63: WITH PHOTOS OR VIDEO I MEAN Debi Marik: Maybe I should order some and start using them. mimid63: MORE FOR THE "WISH LIST" Debi Marik: It would help have pics mimid63: GAUGES CAN BE HOME MADE TOO brasthatfit: DEFINATELY. I'LL SEARCH FOR ONE AND PUT IT ON THE GROUP bthighlander: k i have a question regarding butterfly pattern. brasthatfit: YES Debi Marik: gchild3167: I made mine from that plastic quilter's grid sheets 1/8 to 3 in. brasthatfit: YOUR QUESTION, BONNY Debi Marik: cool , glad to know that. will try bthighlander: I have made 7 ds to start, pattern says 7p sep by 2ds. It doesn't look like the picture, too much space in between. brasthatfit: THE WAY I DO IT IS COUNT THE END OF THE PICOT AS 1 AND THEN PUT A DS AND ANOTHER PICOT. bthighlander: doh! I think I figured it out. bthighlander: yup that is what i did, thanks! mimid63: THAT'S A VERY GOOD THING TO CLARIFY - HOW DOES THE PICOT COUNT? NO DS'S. ONLY THE LOOP ABOVE THE LINE OF DS'S. brasthatfit: THE NICE THING ABOUT THE BUTTERFLIES IS IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM FURTHER APART JUST DO THAT OR PUT THE PICOTS EVERY STITCH...IT CAN'T BE MESSED UP AND YOU STILL GET A BUTTERFLY mimid63: I KNOW A FEW FOLKS WHO CONSIDER THE DS AT THE END OF THE PICOT TO NOT COUNT. AND THAT'S OK BECAUSE THEY DO IT EVERY TIME mimid63: BUT I FIND IT EASIER NOT TO COUNT IT AND SAVE MYSELF THE TIME/DS'S AND THREAD bthighlander: just so one is consistent bookjazz: I never count the picot (it's a loop only in my mind) gchild3167: Me too Nancy brasthatfit: SURE BONNY AND FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY YOU PREFER bthighlander: brasthatfit: THAT IS WHY EVERY TATTER DOES IT A BIT DIFFERENTLY FROM THE SAME PATTERN Debi Marik: good to know. brasthatfit: ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE ABBREVIATIONS? bthighlander: no, seem to be straightforward enough, my problems are with joinings. Kelly Gates: nope. i'm ok with it bookjazz: ok here gchild3167: No Debi Marik: Star of David had Reverse Ring, it that just holding it backwards brasthatfit: WHICH PATTERN? mimid63: URL? Debi Marik: The pattern I got from you yesterday, Star of David christmas star mimid63: IS THAT THE NEW ONE THAT RUTH PUT OUT? Debi Marik: Can't give it out have to have permission Debi Marik: Yes, I think so mimid63: WE CAN LIST HER BLOG HERE, SHE HAS TOLD ME IN THE PAST TO USE WHAT WE CAN FOR THIS CLASS Debi Marik: Am I going to advance? brasthatfit: OK LET ME LOOK AT IT--IT ALSO HAS AN EASER VERSION AND RUTH SAID WE COULD USE IT. I'LL BE SURE AND PUT HER BLOG ADDY ON THE LINKS. bthighlander: woohoo! I have completed the first wing of my butterfly!! Yippee Debi Marik: Okay, did not want to upset anyone. Debi Marik: yougo girl. mimid63: http://rozellalinden.blogspot.com/ IS RUTH'S BLOG. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO CHECK DEBI, WE'RE JUST LUCKY I KNOW RUTH mimid63: IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CONTENT OF THIS LESSON WE CAN TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE PATTERN brasthatfit: TA DA mimid63: NO MORE QUESTIONS ON LESSON 1? brasthatfit: WE KIND OF SPED THRU THE LESSON TONIGHT...DID I MISS SOMETHING? gchild3167: No...I'm good Debi Marik: I am good. Lesson 2 next week bthighlander: i'm gud mimid63: SORRY I'M ALWAYS IN A RUSH CYNTHIA. BUT EVERYONE WENT SO QUIET AND DEBI ASKED A REALLY GOOD QUESTION mimid63: PAM? gchild3167: Yes? mimid63: NEVER MIND I GOT LOST IN WHO'S WHO brasthatfit: NO IT IS A GOOD QUESTION AND I WAS JUST AFRAID WE'D MISSED SOMETHING...THIS GROUP ISN'T AS CHATTY AS SOME mimid63: I THINK THEY'RE TOO ADVANCED FOR US CYNTHIA bthighlander: regarding the butterfly pattern, each set of wings (big and little) is seperate? they must be joined on a safety pin? brasthatfit: THE WINGS ARE WORKED CLOSE TO EACH OTHER--NO NEED TO SEPERATE. I WAS TRYING TO SHOW EACH STEP brasthatfit: THEN WHEN ALL 4 WINGS ARE DONE YOU CAN HOOK IT TO A PIN bthighlander: ooohhh, k, so all on the same piece of thread. bthighlander: just very close together. brasthatfit: YES...MAYBE I SHOULD AMMEND THE PATTERN A BIT IT SEEMS TO BE A BIT CONFUSING bthighlander: no, probably just me being overly analytical. brasthatfit: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW I COULD IMPROVE IT mimid63: EXACTLY BONNY - WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO FIX SO THAT FUTURE TATTERS DON'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE AT ALL. EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT LEARNING STYLES, SO WE NEVER QUITE KNOW WHEN WE FIRST PUT THINGS OUT HOW OTHERS WILL REACT TO IT mimid63: CYNTHIA CONTRIBUTED THAT ONE RECENTLY. brasthatfit: THIS WAS MY FIRST TRY AT DOING A PATTERN bookjazz: It's always good to have beginners test patterns because those who have tatted longer have learned many ways to deal with things mimid63: AND A DARN FINE JOB YOU DID TOO!! BUT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING CYNTHIA, PLEASE SEND ME THE REVISION TO PUT ON THE WEBSITE. bthighlander: it is a really easy pattern, but i would add something saying "start the next wing very close to first" or some such phrase. brasthatfit: OF COURSE IT COULD BE IMPROVED...AND NOW I KNOW WHERE...YES ILL SEND IT TO YOU MIMI Debi Marik: BRB mimid63: THANKS. brasthatfit: GOOD IDEA BONNY I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER AND SEE I MADE IT A BIT MORE CHALLENGING mimid63: THERE GOES DEBI JUST AS I WAS ABOUT TO START IN ON ALTERNATIVE WORKING METHODS FOR RUTH'S STAR mimid63: THE REVERSE RING IS A MORE ADVANCED TECHNIQUE NOT COVERED BY THIS CLASS. mimid63: I THINK SHE HAS A TUTORIAL ON IT EARLIER IN HER BLOG. I ENCOURAGE ANY WHO WANTS TO LOOK TO CHECK FOR IT. Debi Marik: I am back mimid63: SHE SHOWED ME ONCE I THINK IT WAS DOING A RING WITH THE THREAD OVER THE HAND LIKE YOU WERE DOING A TRUE RING BUT YOU DON'T FLIP THE STITCHES?? bthighlander: i am very excited. I have been trying to re-learn tatting for about 10yrs. Do you KNOW how many people have never even HEARD of it! mimid63: ANYWAY, SINCE I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW, I WILL SUGGEST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. mimid63: 1) DO THE CENTER RING ALONE, CLOSE, TIE, CUT AND FINISH ENDS mimid63: THEN DO THE RING/CHAIN REPEAT ALONG THE OUTSIDE. mimid63: THAT AVOIDS DOING A REVERSE RING IN THE CENTER. mimid63: AND I THINK YOU HAVE THE REST OF HTE TECHNIQUES YOU NEED? gchild3167: That's what i was thinking brasthatfit: BONNY--YES AND THAT IS WHY GEORGIA SEITZ SAYS TATTING IS NOT A LOST ART....IT IS HERE mimid63: NOW I SEE WHY SHE DID THE RING AS A REVERSE RING. mimid63: I HAVE ANOTHER IDEA THAT INCLUDES A TECHNIQUE FROM FURTHER IN OUR SET OF LESSONS: SCMR Debi Marik: thanks, I will go back and search for her tutor. mimid63: THE SCMR IS THE SAME AS THE NEEDLE TATTERS'S RING bthighlander: yeah! I learned shuttle tatting from an old lady in Lousiana before my son was born. I put it down for a few months and could not figure it out again. have been trying ever since! Debi Marik: at first I thought she had the star rings attached and then realize they were not. Debi Marik: It looks simple enough I will give a good try. mimid63: A SHUTTLE TATTER LEAVES A SMALL LOOP OF CORE THREAD (SHUTTLE THREAD) THEN TATS THE CHAIN, BUT TURNS THE THING INTO A RING BY DROPPING THE SHUTTLE THROUGH THE RING, THEN WHEN YOU PULL ON THE SHUTTLE TO CLOSE THE RING/HCAIN, THE LOOP CLOSES TOO AND THE CHAIN ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE A RING mimid63: I'D SUB THE SCMR FOR THE REVERSE RING AND THROW THE CENTER RING OFF THE MIDDLE OF THE SCMR BEFORE FINISHING mimid63: PROBABLY ALL GREEK TO YOU NOW mimid63: BUT WHEN WE GET TO LESSON 4 IT SHOULD MAKE MORE SENSE brasthatfit: YES TO THROW OFF THE FIRST RING... Debi Marik: cool. I just love how they inter twine with one another. mimid63: YOU'LL FIND AS WE DIG MORE THROUGH THESE LESSONS THAT THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO TAT THE SAME THING mimid63: IT'S A MATTER OF TASTE/CONVENIENCE FOR HOW YOU DO IT brasthatfit: I THOUGHT IT HAD THE EASIER VERSION ON IT AS WELL WITH MAKING THE CENTER RING FIRST.... Debi Marik: neat. mimid63: SOMETIMES IT HELPS WITH COLOR (WHEN WORKING ON MULTIPLE COLORS) gchild3167: That's what I love about this type of needle art mimid63: RIGHT CYNTHIA, PROBABLY CENTER RING, SPLIT RING FOR THE 2ND ROW, THEN KEEP GOING? brasthatfit: ALSO ALWAYS READ THE FULL PATTERN TWICE AND FIGURE OUT HOW IT FITS TOGETHER Debi Marik: cool. mimid63: I CHOSE THE SCMR WAY BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT MIGHT MAKE THE 2ND RING LOOK MORE "RING" LIKE. SCMR'S TEND TO BE OVAL RATHER THAN OVOID. (OVOID - POINTY ON ONE END) brasthatfit: THAT COULD BE 1 WAY OR TIE OFF AND HIDE LOTS OF ENDS--FIST SET AFTER THE CENTER RING THEN GO FOR THE REST mimid63: GOOD POITN CYTNHIA. READ IT FIRST AND VISUALIZE THE TATTING. THAT WAY IF YOU FIND YOU DONT' UNDERSTAND PART, YOU CNA LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU'VE GOT THREADS ALL OVER! gchild3167: What's the best way to weave in the ends on our pieces? gchild3167: in your opinions, I mean Debi Marik: I am saving everything in archives too. brasthatfit: ON THE STAR OF DAVID --DID YOU NOTE THE BALANCED DOUBLE STITCHES? gchild3167: Am I getting into lesson 2 already? brasthatfit: GOOD IDEA DEBI brasthatfit: AS TO WORKING IN THE ENDS....THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS Debi Marik: yes, I did note that. bthighlander: k ladies, thank you so much! I am going to sit in a corner with my butterfly now! I really appreciate all you help and will definitely be back next time! YYYEEEAAAAHHH! mimid63: I DID SEE THAT CYNTHIA. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE TO LOOK UP IN HER ARCHIVES. SHE ADDS AN EXTRA MOTION IN THE DS TO MAKE THE BOTTOM OF THE STITCH BE AS WIDE AS THE TOP mimid63: YOU CAN DO THIS WITH REGULAR DS'S - THE LOOK WILL BE VERY CLOSE TO THE SAME mimid63: BEFORE YOU GO BONNY, WE NEED TO REMIND YOU TO READ LESSON 2 BEFORE COMING TO CLASS brasthatfit: MIMI DO YOU HAVE THE URL FOR TWEAVING IN LILY'S WAY mimid63: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson2.html bthighlander: Definitely, I have already saved the page!! mimid63: GREAT BONNY! Debi Marik: Really, Okay I will watch mimid63: YES CYNTHIA DO YOU NEED IT ? brasthatfit: NO BUT I THINK SOME OF THE OTHERS MIGHT USE IT mimid63: IT SHOULD BE WORKING ON OUR PAGES - IT WAS ON TAMMY'S SITE AND NOT AFFECTED BY RON'S PASSING. bthighlander: Good night and thank you all again! Debi Marik: going to lesson 2, and wil read tomorrow, I usually stercth it for the day. mimid63: IT'S IN LESSON 2 BUT I'LL REPEAT IT HERE gchild3167: o.k. mimid63: http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/lilys_way.html Bonny Tunnell has left the conference. mimid63: Jane Eborall also has some instructions of the same technique brasthatfit: PAM THAT IS JUST 1 WAY THERE ARE OTHER WAYS...MAGIC THREAD TECHNIQUE BUT THAT COMES LATER gchild3167: Oh...that's much easier that going through the knots made on the thread brasthatfit: I DO THE SEWING IN SOMETIMES AND MAGIC THREAD AS WELL gchild3167: The actual loop part of the knots gchild3167: i mean Debi Marik: I read printed it out so its at my fingertips. brasthatfit: YES BOTH TECHNIQUES ARE HANDY TO KNOW AND THE MORE WE KNOW THE MORE WE FIND WE CAN LEARN mimid63: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/sewends.htm brasthatfit: IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS TONIGHT MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL GO TAT AWHILE AND ENJOY THE WEEK mimid63: AND THE MORE TOOLS WE HAVE TO SOLVE WHAT WE NEED TO SOLVE brasthatfit: DEFINATELY brasthatfit: mimid63: LIKE: OH SHOOT I STARTED THAT RING WITHOUT TATTING OVER MY MAGIC THREAD, NOW WHAT WILL I DO WITH THE END? LOL Debi Marik: good night gchild3167: Sounds good to me. Thanks again Mimi and Cynthia for all your help and time brasthatfit: AND bookjazz: Off to tat a bit! Thanks! brasthatfit: yOU ARE ALL WELCOME gchild3167: Its been fun.....That's funny Debi Marik: thanks so much! mimid63: YOU'RE WELCOME, SEE YOU NEXT WEEK! Debi Marik has left the conference. brasthatfit: I LOVE THE GUY ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING bookjazz has left the conference. mimid63: NOW WE'LL SEE IF I CAN HARVEST THIS LOG PROPERLY AND SAVE IT TO THE WEBSITE *THIS* TIME. SUCH A HASH I MADE LAST TIME. gchild3167: Are those on the emodicons? mimid63: DID NANCY SAY IT WAS OK FOR ME TO PUT HER VERSION UP? Kelly Gates has left the conference. gchild3167: I don't know? gchild3167: Good night ladies Pamela Ford has left the conference. brasthatfit: NANCY SAID SHE'D PREFRE WE PUT A LINK TO HER SITE AS SHE WANTS TO KEEP EDITORIAL CONTROL mimid63: OH. DID SHE SEND THE SITE URL? I MUST HAVE MISSED IT brasthatfit: I MIGHT NOT HAVE GOTTEN IT UP...THE DOG WAS TRYING TO GET THRU THE GLASS DOOR FOR A SQUIRREL AT THE MOMENT I WAS DOING IT mimid63: OK, JUST CHECKING TO SEE IF I NEEDED TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT. mimid63: MEANTIME I HAVE FIXED THE BROKEN LINKS IN LESSON 3 brasthatfit: I'LL CHECK AND ADD IT--I KNOW SHE SAID WE COULD. mimid63: AT LEAST THOSE THAT WERE FOR GEORGIA'S SITE BEING DOWN mimid63: WAYBACK MACHINE IS REALLY COMING THROUGH THIS TIME brasthatfit: i'VE COPIED AND SAVED THE "LOG" JUST INCASE AS A WORD DOCUMENT mimid63: GOOD IDEA. THAT WAY MAYBE YOU GET CARRIAGE RETURNS? THE SAVE AS TEXT LOST THEM ALL mimid63: ANYWAY I NEED TO RUN, STEVE IS HOME AND DINNER ISN'T STARTED YET (I GOT HOME TOO LATE TO DO THAT) IT'S EASY DINNER NITE: TACOS brasthatfit: We may want to remove some of the side things and after chat brasthatfit: Enjoy your dinner Peace mimid63: THANKS CYNTHIA, HUGS TO YOU.