Session Start: Thu May 22 18:01:17 2008
Session Ident: #tatchat
03* Now talking in #tatchat
<Cynthia> 06yes but they often go east or west of us
<Cynthia> 06Hi Mimi
01<Mimi> Hello  Linda and Cynthia
01<Mimi> Small group?
<@Linda> 02Hi Mimi
<@Linda> 02I guess so. So far just me and Cynthia.
<Cynthia> 06so far  but I may not make it thru as I have asthma and a bad cold
01<Mimi> Well then Linda will get lots of help!
<Cynthia> 06definately
01<Mimi> We'll give the others a few more minutes then get started
<@Linda> 02If Cynthia feels under the weather we can do this at another time if it is possible. 
<Cynthia> 06no I want to do it tonight as summer is harder to schedule areound
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<@Linda> 02Ok.
<@Linda> 02Hi Katia
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<Katia> Good evening 
01<Mimi> Hello Katia
<Cynthia> 06hi
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01<Mimi> Margaret too! Hello Margaret!
<@Linda> 02Hi Margaret
<Margaret> 05Hello to all
<Katia> hello margaret
<Cynthia> 06hi 
<Margaret> 05Mimi and Katia, I am here only to ask a couple of questions and get back to my tatting
01<Mimi> Please ask, we're still hoping for a few more newbies to show up
<Margaret> 04Cynthia and Stephanie Wilson, I just sent you two an email
<Margaret> 04Last night I bought some Altin Basak 50 thread in four colours and I have the fifth
<Margaret> 04the eastern star motif must be finished by Saturday
<Margaret> 04It has taken me three hours to do the centre and half of one point
<Cynthia> 06don't stress it will get easier
<@Linda> 02I am glad to read that Cynthia!
<Margaret> 04my questions: 1 - when using the horizontal picot guage, how do I manage to get the very first picot to be the same size as the rest. It is always bigger
<@Linda> 02I am really wondering if I am ever going to get the hang of this.
<Margaret> 042:  I am using the samllest guage of Georgia's -- I think 1/16th inch
01<Mimi> http://www.logicaldatasys.com/tatting/Tatting.html Eastern Star
<Cynthia> 06yes you will Linda...You are definately smarter than the thread and tools
<Margaret> 04when I only have one picot in a ring, do I still have to use it horizontally like I have been doing?
<@Linda> 02I agree! Thanks for that!
<Cynthia> 06Margaret is is shuttle or needle?
<Margaret> 04this smallest guage is the same size both ways but if I use it vertically for one picot won't that one picot be a different size?
<Margaret> 04yes Mimi that is the pattern
<Margaret> 04Mimi would you like me to email you the scan of what is done so far too?
01<Mimi> 1. My opinion: if you use it horizontally for one, you should use horizontally for all
<Cynthia> 06I agree
01<Mimi> 2. If the first picot of a line is bigger than the rest, you are likely holding the picot gauge in a different position for the ifrst one than for the rest
<Margaret> 04it just is quite difficult for me to hold it horizontally for one picot
01<Mimi> the 2nd picot might lock the gauge into a straighter position once you make it.
01<Mimi> It takes some practice
<Margaret> 04Mimi, did you see my yellow star on my blog?
<Cynthia> 06try using some thread to make a "imitation" picot to hold the gauge in the right place
<Margaret> 04it is the same pattern (with two of the ends tied to give a hanger) but done in all one colour
<Margaret> 04what do you mean, Cynthia,?
01<Mimi> not yet, my browser just stopped working
<Margaret> 04so then what is happening is the gauge is slipping and pulling the picot bigger 
<Cynthia> 06take an extra piece of thread and loop it around the thread and gauge to hold it in a more secure position when you are starting
<Margaret> 04where do you loop the thread into?
01<Mimi> right margaret
<Cynthia> 06under the thread a couple stitches away from your picot and tie a bow just to hold it while you get the picots done
<Cynthia> 06sorry my cold and asthma are ganging up on me I hope it makes sense
<@Linda> 02Are you all saying that you are making all of the picots at the same time?
<Cynthia> 06no just make them as they come and wrap around the gauge when you get to the picot
01<Mimi> Found the yellow star, it looks very nice! http://margaretstatting.blogspot.com/2008/03/motif-8.html
<Margaret> 04Linda, this is done on the gauge held in a straight row and the picots stay on the gauge until the ring is to be closed
<@Linda> 02Got it now Cynthia.
<Cynthia> 06good sorry if It gets a bit garbled--my fault not yours
01<Mimi> Right, we looked at this in Lesson 1 http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson1.html
<Margaret> 04Mimi, I sent you a quick email with the scan of the white point so far
<@Linda> 02Oh my goodness, I didn't know you could do that. If that was discussed in the first or second lesson, I wasn't able to get on line for the classes then.
01<Mimi> In the picot gauges section, it's the photo on the left
<Margaret> 04the tip is not where is should be as the second side isn't there yet
01<Mimi> You might have a look, it's kind of interesting!
<Katia> using the gaugelike that for needle tatter is a bit more difficult bbut managable 
<@Linda> 02Yes thank you Mimi I will.
<Cynthia> 06yes it is.  I did 1 from her pattern all in white for my uncle as he is a mason and hiw wife was in Eastern Star.  He put it on her memorial picture
<Margaret> 04I would love to stay but the tatting is taking longer than expected and I also have square to make tonight for this reception too
01<Mimi> Good luck Margaret, keep trying with the gauge, you'll get it if you practice
<Cynthia> 06good luck and peace, margaret
<@Linda> 02I looked at that lesson and I thought I was looking as something totally different than what you are telling me now. I thought it was just a repeat demo to show how making a picot was done.
<Margaret> 04the eastern star will have a pinback and it is my gift to the honoree who is a Grand Representative of Ontario in the Eastern Star
01<Mimi> what a great gift
<Katia> that is great
<Cynthia> 06awesome I'd say
<Margaret> 04I will share this here now as it will may not happen now
<@Linda> 02Bye Margaret.
<Margaret> 04I am in what they call the 'line offices' in the Eastern Star in this Chapter.
<Margaret> 04next year I will be Conductress.  If the chapter was somehow able to stay alive until Sept. 2010, I would be installed as the Worthy Matron
<Katia> well done Margaret
<Cynthia> 06just keep up the good work and you will be reqarded
<Cynthia> 06make that re warded
<Margaret> 04I had planned on tatting each of my 18 officers (myself, too) for that year, one of these stars to wear during our services
<Katia> nice idea
<Cynthia> 06you go girl even if you get it done after it is an awesome thankyou gift
<Margaret> 04now I will say goodnight so you people can do some tatting
01<Mimi> Good night Margaret, take care
<Cynthia> 06come back when you can...Peace 
<Katia> night margaret and take care 
01<Mimi> OK NOW THAT IT'S SO LATE, LET'S SIGN IN :)
<Margaret> 04is this the last lesson until September?
01<Mimi> Mimi Dillman, ntrop@ix.netcom.com Snohomish WA USA
01<Mimi> No, one more next week
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<Katia> KATIA VALLÉE SHERBROOKE QC CANADA LADY_ELHASA@HOTMAIL.COM
<Cynthia> 06Cynthia Stevenson, Stillwater OK, brasthatfit@yahoo.com
01<Mimi> TONIGHT'S LESSON IS http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson4.html
01<Mimi> TONIGHT WE DO SPLIT RINGS, YAY!!!
<Cynthia> 06fun
01<Mimi> AND IT'S ALL FOR LINDA'S BENEFIT
01<Mimi> 3 TEACHERS TO ONE :)
<@Linda> 02Linda002@sbcglobal.net Palmdale Calif.
01<Mimi> STILL THERE LINDA?
<Cynthia> 06make that 2 1/2 the way I feel
01<Mimi> SORRY CYNTHIA HOPE YOU GET WELL SOON
<Katia> GIVE YOURSELF SOME CREDIT CYNTHIA YOUR WORTH A FULL TEACHER
01<Mimi> FIRST STEP TONIGHT IS TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS REMAINING FROM LESSON 3 OR ANY OF THE EARLIER LESSONS
<Cynthia> 06I will just no energy right now
<@Linda> 02Yes Thanks Mimi. The sadest thing about this lesson is, my mother is visiting and will be here until tomorrow, and I haven't had a chance to look at the lesson! It's not sad she is here, it is sad I didn't get to look at the lesson!
01<Mimi> WELL, THERE'S NO TIME LIKE THE PRESENT :)
<Cynthia> 06look now we'll wait
<Cynthia> 06:)  >:D<
<Cynthia> 06the other is a hug
<Katia> :)
01<Mimi> OH, I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS BACKGROUND MUSIC :)
<@Linda> 02Ok I will be right back.
<Katia> K
<Cynthia> 06the shrug/wrap I'm designing as I go is about 8 in across--eventually 48 inches
<Katia> IN TATTING?
<Cynthia> 06I've taken the idea from a crochet pattern--yes I'm attting it in yarn--all easy stitches
<Katia> SWEET
<Cynthia> 06I'll share the pattern and pics when I get it done.  Don't hold your breath though
<Katia> IM SURE ITS GOING TO BE GOEGIOUS
<Katia> SORRY FOR THE SPELLING
<@Linda> 02Ok I am back and I looked at the split ring. Now for my first stupid question of the evening. A spilt ring is a ring made of 2 colors?
<Katia> NO
01<Mimi> IT CAN BE
01<Mimi> BUT
<Cynthia> 06I hope so it is the first attempt at designing something that large and with a needle
01<Mimi> THE MAIN THING ABOUT THE SPLIT RING IS THAT IT'S 1/2 FLIPPED STITCHES AND 1/2 NON-FLIPPED STITCHES MADE WITH A 2ND SHUTTLE
01<Mimi> THAT WAY, YOUR THREADS END AT A DIFFERENT POSITION ON THE RIGN THAN THE PLACE THEY STARTED
01<Mimi> IF YOU ARE USING 2 DIFFERENT THREADS, THE RESULTING RING WILL BE 2 DIFFERENT COLORS; IF BOTH THREADS ARE THE SAME COLOR, THE RING IS ALL ONE COLOR
01<Mimi> STILL CLEAR AS MUD?
<Katia> i would love to see a photo or scan of what you have done cynthia
01<Mimi> good luck with the wrap Cynthia - tatting with yarn is a challenge, depending on the fiber
<@Linda> 02I see. I am going to have to start a practice piece and try it out and see if I have any problems with it. I focused so much when I learned to do the ds that I got the stitch to flip I am wondering if I will have a hard time trying to make sure it doesn't flip now.
<Cynthia> 06but it ends up for a mock picot very easily
<Cynthia> 06yes but it takes concentration and it does work
<@Linda> 02what is the advantage of a split ring and a mock picot?
01<Mimi> THAT'S EXACTLY THE DIFFICULTY LINDA - SUDDENLY NOT FLIPPING STITCHES ANY MORE
01<Mimi> OH NOW WHAT TO LECTURE ON, ANOTHER FAVORITE TOPIC!
01<Mimi> ADVANTAGE:
<Cynthia> 06no cut, tie, ends to work in and you are at the next row
01<Mimi> CAN BE USED TO CLIMB FROM ONE ROUND TO ANOTHER
01<Mimi> THE MOCK PICOT IS USED WHEN CLIMBING FROM ONE ROUND TO THE NEXT SOT HAT THE EXIT FROM THE SPLIT RING LOOKS LIKE EVERY OTHER PICOT ON THE ROW
<@Linda> 02Oh. Does anyone have a class for some one that is newer than a beginner?
01<Mimi> OTHERWISE THE WORK IN THAT AREA WOULD BE WONKY 
<Cynthia> 06no but you can e-mail any of us and we will help
<Cynthia> 06Linda, check my butterflies are free post--only rings of ds and picots
<@Linda> 02I have turned out some very wonky work with my practice pieces so far so I think I am going to have to learn split rings and mock picots. Thank you I will email you all if I get into trouble If that is ok.
<Cynthia> 06yes
<@Linda> 02I will Cynthia. Thanks.
<Katia> sure linda all email are welcome 
<Cynthia> 06if we're both online we can meet in the chat room as it is open most of the time
<@Linda> 02I am working on a piece of edging right now for practice. It is one shuttle rings and picots. I am having trouble keeping my place when I lay my work down and pick it up again. 
<Cynthia> 06try a spring type clothes pin and a pencil to mark your pattern
<@Linda> 02I also notice that I am having a bit of trouble trying to understand patterns.
<Katia> neat idea cynthia 
<Cynthia> 06I had to do something as the dog thinks if I pick up tatting it is time to go outside...inside...outside...inside
<Katia> reading pattern come with time and practice linda , i would suggest to read the pattern first and try to rewrite it in word or term you understand 
<@Linda> 02I am marking  my pattern. I didn't think about a clothes pin. Thanks Cynthia
<Cynthia> 06good Idea Katia
<Cynthia> 06when the dog beats me to the tatting it really helps as shejust carries it around by the cloithespin--stringing thread all over
<Katia> lol dont we looooooove our pet ;)
<Cynthia> 06yes she ate a tatted doily that was starched with a mint starch so I had to do that over...LOL and hugs for all
<@Linda> 02I love that Cynthia. I have two dogs. I guess they would have to fight over my tatting if they did that!
<@Linda> 02I like the idea of rewriting the pattern.
<Cynthia> 06that can help also diagraming part of it
01<Mimi> YOU CAN PUT THE REWRITTEN VERSION ON A SMALL CARD OR OTHER PAPER SMALL ENOUGH FOR YOUR WORKBAG TOO
01<Mimi> OR BIG ENOUGH TO READ!
<Katia> it help alot many of my student who do this before they start any pattern find themself doing the pattern without thinking , and those who does nt well they struggle all the way 
<@Linda> 02I thought about rewriting the pattern but I couldn't understand one part of it enough to put it in my words. Now I am trying out things that this one part could mean and if I hit on the right method, I can rewrite that part in my own words.
<Cynthia> 06what part uis confusing?
<Katia> what pattern are you doing , if we can help you understand that part we will be glade to
<@Linda> 02One part of the pattern says,"+ (same join as prev small R)" there are several small rings so I don't know for sure which small ring they are talking about. 
<Cynthia> 06is it the hen and chicks
<@Linda> 02If I join in the one I think they mean, my thread that is wrapped around my left hand knots.
<Cynthia> 06is the pattern on line or from the class?
<@Linda> 02No it is called "Single shuttle WAve Edge.
<Cynthia> 06Ok I think I have it...brb..
<@Linda> 02It is on line and very simple.
<@Linda> 02It is also very pretty.
<Katia> do you have the link for that pattern?
<@Linda> 02I was just trying to remember where it came from and I don't think I have a link for it. I found it by a search. 
<Katia> let me try to fund it
01<Mimi> is this it? http://www.iglou.com/members/mantia/crafts/OneShuttle.html
01<Mimi> what pretty thread
<@Linda> 02Is the thread a lavendar and light blue?
<Katia> yes
<@Linda> 02I am guessing that is it. Single Shuttle WAve Edge
<Katia> its the name of the edge
<@Linda> 02I can't find it as fast as you did.
<Cynthia> 06http://members.iglou.com/mantia/crafts/OneShuttle.html
<@Linda> 02Yes Katia I think you are right.
<Cynthia> 06I think it is the one
<Katia> yes its that one 
01<Mimi> THE QUESTION AGAIN WAS DISTINGUISHING WHERE TO JOIN?
<Cynthia> 06Count down 0on the directions and which line is the first problem?
<Katia> one way to try to see how a writen pattern will look is by trying to draw the writen pattern 
01<Mimi> I DON'T SEE ANY MENTION OF SMALL RINGS, ONLY THE LARGE RING?
<Cynthia> 06art doesn't count just try and see does
<Katia> true cynthia
<@Linda> 02Yes Mimi. After the *  it's R:3+(same join as prev small R) Do you see that instruction?
01<Mimi> AH NOW I DO. BLAME THE HEADACHE
01<Mimi> THE PREVIOUS SMALL RING WOULD BE THE RING BEFORE THE LARGE RIGN
<Cynthia> 06the larg ring is just the starting ring
01<Mimi> BUT THAT CAN'T BE A CORRECT INSTRUCTION
01<Mimi> LOOKS TO ME LIKE SHE MEANS TO JOIN TO THE LAST SMALL RING OF THE REPEAT BEFORE LAST?
01<Mimi> ANYONE?
<Cynthia> 06I'm fadeing fast so I think I will say Peace and sign out ton ight.
01<Mimi> I THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE IN A SINGLE-COLOR THREAD
01<Mimi> NIGHT CYNTHIA
<@Linda> 02I am not for sure exactly which small ring is the one in question. I just RW my work and went into the first picot of the last small ring I could find.
01<Mimi> GET WELL SOON
01<Mimi> EXACTLY LINDA
<Katia> night cynthia take care
<Cynthia> 06Night and Peace, thanks
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<@Linda> 02Bye Cynthia and Thanks!
01<Mimi> IT WILL BE THE LAST SMALL RING OF THE SCALLOP ON THE SAME SIDE THAT YOU'RE STARTING A NEW SCALLOP ON
01<Mimi> OH WHAT A BAD SENTENCE
<Katia> hehe but i do aggree with you mimi 
01<Mimi> BUT I THINK YOU HAVE THE SENSE OF IT EVEN IF THE PATTERN IS A BIT TELEGRAPHIC
<@Linda> 02Ok Mimi I will print out that sentence and study on it a bit and I am sure it will become clear to the old gal here.
01<Mimi> SHE DOES INDEED MEAN PREVIOUS SMALL RING TO BE THE ONE TO THE LEFT OF WHERE YOU'RE NOW WORKING
01<Mimi> IF IT DOES YOU MAY NEED HELP :)))
01<Mimi> THE PATTERN IS BASICALLY A SET OF SCALLOPS ON EACH SIDE OF THE WORK
01<Mimi> YOU WORK A SCALLOP ON ONE SIDE, RW, THEN WORK THE SCALLOP ON THE OTHER SIDE, RW, ETC
<@Linda> 02Yes Mimi that is right. A set of scallops on each side.
01<Mimi> EACH TIME YOU MAKE THE FIRST RING OF THE NEXT SCALLOP ON A SIDE, YOU WILL JOIN THAT RING TO THE LAST PICOT OF THE LAST RING OF THE LAST SCALLOP ON THAT SIDE
01<Mimi> WHWE
01<Mimi> WHEW ANOTHER LONG WON
01<Mimi> ONE
<@Linda> 02And I also that it was the closest picot to the left of the work.
01<Mimi> EXACTLY
01<Mimi> YOU DID WHAT MADE SENSE
01<Mimi> AND MADE YOUR WORK LOOK LIKE THE PHOTO!!
01<Mimi> THAT'S A BIG LEAP OF LOGIC, AND ONE I LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN WITH STUDENTS
01<Mimi> THEN I KNOW THEY ARE ON THEIR WAY TO SELF-SUFFICIENCY
<@Linda> 02Very Close until I got dinner togeter and lost my place!
01<Mimi> THAT WILL HAPPEN - DOES TO ME TOWARDS THE END OF THE DAY WHEN I'M TIRED
01<Mimi> BUT IF YOU LAY YOUR WORK DOWN
01<Mimi> AND LOOK TO FIND THE LAST LR
01<Mimi> THEN YOU CAN COUNT YOUR WAY ALONG THE PATTERN
<Katia> aye and or like cynthia said ad a safey pin to where you are
01<Mimi> EVENTUALLY I WOULD MEMORIZE SOMETHING IN MY HEAD THAT SAYS 
<@Linda> 02I am learning that too. Easier to find if you have a point to focus on.
<Katia> and mark the place on the pattern 
01<Mimi> RINGS OF X PICOTS SEPARATED BY Y DS'S MAKE THE SCALLOPS
01<Mimi> AND ONE RING GOES ON EACH OF THE P'S OF THE LARGE RING
01<Mimi> YOU'LL GET THE SENSE OF THE REPEAT WITH REPETITION
01<Mimi> PRETTY EDGING
01<Mimi> I WONDER IF ANYONE HAS TRIED A CORNER WITH IT?
<Katia> aye it is, no clue
<@Linda> 02I have pretty much found out what you are saying is true. Now to learn how to mark and not lose my place. You gals are great and I do thank you very, very much. I feel a bit guilty here having you all to myself and you are taking your tatting or family time to help just me. 
01<Mimi> IT'S OUR PLEASURE
01<Mimi> WE VOLUNTEERED REGARDLESS OF THE # OF STUDENTS
<Katia> its our pleasure 
01<Mimi> YOU LUCKED OUT AND GOT US TO YOURSELF
01<Mimi> SO YOU COULD GET SPECIAL HELP - JUST LIKE MARGARET DID
01<Mimi> MEANTIME ENJOY YOUR MOTHER'S VISIT
<Katia> besdie we love helping other tatter
<@Linda> 02I feel I should let you get to your lives it is after the hour anyway and I will go and visit with my mom. She is cross stitching and I am tatting. We are quite a pair.
01<Mimi> THAT'S HOW IT IS WHEN I VISIT MY PARENTS, STITCHERY IN THE EVENING WHILE DAD WATCHES TV
01<Mimi> HE LIKES HIS KNITTED SLIPPERS, SO HE GETS THEM :)
<Katia> have fun with your mom linda 
<Katia> hehe
01<Mimi> HOPEFULLY YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO READ OVER LESSON 4
01<Mimi> AND GIVE SPLIT RINGS A TRY
01<Mimi> AFTER AWHILE YOU'LL SEE THE ADVANTAGE
01<Mimi> AND 
01<Mimi> SO MANY OF HTE PATTERNS ON THE INTERNET USE SPLIT RING
<@Linda> 02Thanks again so much and I WILL be back next week. Thanks again both of you and good night!
01<Mimi> FOR INSTANCE - JANE EBORALL'S TAT IT AND SEE AND SO FORTH
01<Mimi> HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND - HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY
01<Mimi> SEE YOU NEXT TIME KATIA?
<Katia> happy memorial day ladies 
<Katia> yes ill be here next week mimi
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01<Mimi> HAVE A GOOD WEEK, SEE YOU THEN
<Katia> you too
01<Mimi> GOOD NIGHT
Session Close: Thu May 22 19:10:54 2008