Session Start: Thu May 01 18:03:03 2008 Session Ident: #tatchat 03[18:03] * Now talking in #tatchat [18:03] 12Mimi, hi! 01[18:03] Good evening everyone [18:03] hi mimi [18:03] <@Dani> oh ! lol ;;; i aint claimed that title ! [18:03] 06Hi Mimi [18:03] 12Mimi, Dani has some bad news - her husband died...last Friday, right Dani? [18:03] 12and over 3 days she had to give away 13 pets.... [18:03] Hi Mimi [18:03] 12Funeral was when? [18:04] 12yesterday? [18:04] <@Dani> wedn just ... yesterdAY ? [18:04] I am so sorry for your loss Dani [18:04] 04So sorry for your loss. [18:04] <@Dani> YESTERDAY WAS A LOOOONG DAY ! caps sorry 01[18:04] Oh my sorry to hear it Dani. Glad you could make it tonight [18:04] <@Dani> yes , ty all [18:05] 12and Cathy - the one who has mostly lurked in class for several months (then asked me all her questions leter when I could show her "in person) [18:05] 12Her Dad died yesterday in the morning, funeral is Sat, receiving is tomorrow night. [18:05] 12I don't think Cathy will be in class tonight, she's with her Mom. 01[18:05] Oh my sorry to hear about Cathy's loss too. [18:05] 12it's been a rough week for many of us [18:07] 04Do any of you remember Cynthia from the last class? [18:07] <@Dani> my design ive been working on ... a 3-D , conical shape Xmas tree ......... has clearly been On-Hold for awhile ;;; dealing w/ hubby's needs intensely for recent few weeks [18:08] <@Dani> but original notes are had ;;;;;; hopefully , will "finese" design in time to share b4 dec 01[18:08] Cynthia from OK? [18:08] <@Dani> intend to Re-Try design , to include seed beeds [18:08] sounds pretty Dani [18:09] <@Dani> xmas tree is a take off from a 2-d tree pattn <@Dani> should be table topper or tree decore able 04Yes, Cynthia, from OK, I am meeting her Sat. at a bagpipe competition near where I live. I am so excited! 01 Wow, a tatter meeting in the flesh! Cool! 01 YOu're in E TX, right? 06How cool for you Isabell 04Yes, I am in Texas. I live in Taylor which is less than 20 miles to Georgetown, where she will be, She is looking for a TAT CHAT 01 Taylor is that close to Georgetown? My folks are in Sun City. 03* Tatter (Tatter@simplySPACE-DAEFDCD4.stl1cmta01.stwrok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) has joined #tatchat 04Yes, that close. Sun City is a neat community. 03* Tatter is now known as Cynthia hi Cynthia 04Hi Cynthia 01 Hey Cynthia we were just alking about you - You're going to be in Georgetown and will meet Isabell! 06Hi Sharon, Isabel and Mimi 06Yes I can hardly wait! 01 BTW Katia is not able to come this evening. Should we get started? sounds good 06we had a severe T-storm that was trying to make a tornado so I wasn't sure I'd get here 01 LET'S SIGN IN FIRST 01 Mimi Dillman Snohomish, WA ntrop at ix.netcom dot com 04Isabell Sandoval Isabell.sandoval at yahoo dot com Taylor, TX 01 Gladyou could make it Cynthia 06al_miracle at hotmail dot com, Lupton, MI <@Dani> daniela laws < Laws_DanielaK at msn dot com > Jackson MISS Sharon griffith, Waynesville, NC 06Cynthia Stevenson, Stillwater OK brasthatfit at yahoo dot com 02Sandy Cofer Bremerton, WA dscofer2 at comcast dot net stash4stitch at bellsouth dot net 01 THANKS EVERYONE FOR COMING TONIGHT 01 WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW FOLKS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN TO CLASS YET, SO I'LL ASK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT LAST WEEK'S MATERIAL 06Mimi did you get my e-mail earlier today? 01 http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/meet_greet.html WAS LAST WEEK'S LESSON 01 NO HAVEN'T CHECKED EMAIL YET TONGITH, GOT HOME, FED THE CAT, STARTED MIRC 06Ok it was just a request ot put the updated e-mail on the Butterflies are forever free 01 OK I CAN DO THAT 06thanks 01 OK NO QUESTIONS ON M&G THEN WE'LL GO ON TO 01 TONIGHT'S LESSON http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson1.html 01 MAIN OBJECTIVES ARE 01 LEARNING RINGS 01 MAKING PICOTS 01 AND LEARNING TO READ PATTERNS 01 THE FIRST 2 ARE MASTERED QUICKLY - THE LAST ONE YOU'LL BE LEARNING ABOUT LONG AFTER YOU LEAVE THIS CLASS (EVERYONE WRITES DIFFERENTLY) 01 SO FIRST I'LL ASK IF EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE RINGS? <@Dani> yes ; easy 04yes 06yes yes 00yes yes 01 ANYONE WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT RINGS? 04no 06no I've managed both techniques I still have topractice but I think I am ok 01 THAT'S GREAT! 01 SO THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS... WHAT ABOUT PICOTS? 06got them down <@Dani> working beads into also 12yes 04can do them 01 PICOTS CAN SNEAK UP ON YOU... LEAVING HTEM BY MISTAKE SOMETIMES IF YOUR TENSION IS OFF :) 01 OK THEN YOU ADVANCED TATTERS... EVER TRIED MAKING PICOTS WITH A GAUGE? 04no 06yes 12yes yes mine seem to droop but I think I got a handle on it <@Dani> intending to purchase spacers this or next month 01 DROOP...? loose 01 IS IT BECAUSE YOUR GAUGE IS BIG AND LEAVES LONG PICOTS? 01 ARE YOU HAVING DIFFICULTY MAKING THE DS AFTER LOOPING THE THREAD OVER THE GAUGE? 12I just learned the proper way in Spokane, Mimi! 01 THAT WAS MY PROBLEM AT FIRST WHEN USING GAUGES - GETTING THE DS AFTER TO PULL THE PICOT TAUT that is where I seem to be getting stuck 01 THAT'S GREAT SANDY -IT'S EASIER TO "SEE" A GAUGE IN USE THAN IT IS TO READ ABOUT IT (IMO) 12Great when using beads 01 THE WAY I SOLVED IT WAS TO LOOK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE GAUGE AS i WAS FORMING/TENSIONING THE DS 01 CAN'T SEE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GAUGE IF HOLDING THE GAUGE HORIZONTAL (PARALLEL TO THE CORE THREAD) ok 01 YOU'LL HAVE TO DO IT CAREFULLY - MAKE SURE YOUR CORE THREAD SLIDES AFTER YOU'RE DONE 02* Angie (Tatter@simplySPACE-892EB985.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) Quit (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 01 WOULD BE A SHAME TO WORK SO HARD ON THAT DS THEN NOT HAVE THE THREAD SLIDE 06Isabell I can help you with gauges on Saturday if they are giving you aproblem 01 DARN LOST ANGIE 01 SHE'LL BE BACK 04great ok mimi I will give that a try 06I'll bring my gauges so you can see how they work 01 I FIND I USE GAUGES WHEN TATTING WITH BEADS (AS SANDY POINTED OUT) OR HWEN I'M TATTING FOR COMPETITION / SHOW 12What are your favorite guages? 01 I'VE USED ALL KINDS OF THINGS FOR GAUGES 01 I LOVE GEORGIA SEITZ' GAUGE SETS 06I really like Georgia's 01 SMALL AND PORTABLE 01 BUT I LOSE PARTS SOMETIMES 01 I WISH THEY CAME ON A RING OR SOME SUCH 06but a straw or coffee stirrer works too 01 I'VE ALSO BEEN KNOWN TO USE DPNS 01 (DOUBLE POINTED KNITTING NEEDLE) 12Yes, I'm looking for some that are held together as I too loose them. <@Dani> hmm dpn ! good idea ;; i can get easily ty <@Dani> i knit :) 01 YOU CAN MKAE THEM FROM DEAD CREDIT CARDS, LIDS FROM MARG OR YOGURT mimi dpkn sounds like a good idea 01 OR VERY STURDY QUILTERS TEMPLATE 04what do you use to carry your tatting? Everyone 01 DPNS ARE INTERESTING BECAUSE THE PICTOS COME OUT ROUNDER 06end of a crochet hook works too--not hook end 01 RIGHT - THEY'RE THE SAME LENGTH ALONG THE END 01 I MEAN DIAMETER 01 JEEPERS 06A cloth bag, my tatting box, my pocket 01 I USE ONE OF DEBBIE ARNOLDS DRAWSTRING BAGS - DS9 DESIGNS 12Patty Duff has directions for making them in her book --Mini Tats (I think) 01 MINITATS IS A GREAT REFERENCE, TOTALLY RECOMMENDED BOOK 06a Altoids mint tin, so far I have evrything in a hoe box...lol 06that works too Sharon 06:) 12sorry, phohe rang and I just got back 01 BAGS: http://www.ds9designs.com/bags.html <@Dani> i store crochet hooks in one of those meant for 120 mm cigs case ;; that would store spacers 12I just bought my first ds9 bag and love it. 01 GOOD IDEA DANI 01 M&M MINIS TUBES ARE GOOD TOO - LONG ONES FOR TATTING NEEDLES AND CROCHET HOOKS 01 AND I ENJOY CLEANING THEM OUT :) 12i have a small "makeup" bag that holds 3 altoids boxes with just a little room to spare 12I keep stuff in the altoids boxes, a couple crochet hooks on the bottom of the bag, thread, all sorts of stuff 04I store my needles in a container meant for makeup brushes and I have a clinique bag for the rest 12that's my "travel" pack.... 12phone again - brb 01 DOES THAT HELP, ISABELL? 06lots of good ideas... 04yes 01 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT PICOTS AND GAUGES? 04I'm nosy 01 LOL 06lol and currious too we all are or we wouldn't be here well being nosey gave me allot of ideas 01 OK THEN I'LL RUSH US ON TO READING PATTERNS <@Dani> lol 01 PATTERN READING, LIKE PATTERN WRITING, IS AN ART, NOT A SCIENCE 01 SOME TECHNIQUES ARE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND MOST FOLKS USE SIMILAR NOTATION FOR THOSE <@Dani> now re reading patts ;;; for me , it s mainly dependant upon the lay out of the type , as to how to read ;;; one ancient collectors book i have is Terrible !!!!!!! :( 01 RINGS CAN BE ABBREVIATED "R" AND ARE SHOWN AS OVAL OR OVOID SHAPES ON DIAGRAMS 01 FOR EXAMPLE 01 MOSTLY YOU WILL NEED TO BE PATIENT, READ THE PATTERN IN ADVANCE AND SEE IF THERE ARE UNFAMILIAR TERMS 12i'm back.... <@Dani> wb bill 01 CHECK YOUR NOTES OR GOOGLE THOSE 01 AND THE REST WILL COME WITH PRACTICE 01 THERE ARE SEVERAL ARTICLES ON PATTERN READING LINKED TO THIS LESSON I wish they would just be universal 01 DON'T WE ALL! 06that would be too easy lol :) 12some day, maybe.... 01 THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT AFTER A SHORT TIME YOU WILL LEARN WHAT TO EXPECT IN MOST SITUATIONS 01 AND YOU WILL LEARN TO "READ" YOUR TATTING AND POSSIBLY PHOTOGRAPHED TATTING, TOO I will trust you on that one mimi 06it does get easier <@Dani> "My Design" ... the conical Xmas Tree , will be per diagram n standard shorthand 01 SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO JUDGE WHAT YOU SEE AND MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS 01 THAT'S GREAT DANI. NOT EVERYONE CAN READ A DIAGRAM - that makes sense 01 I'VE FOUND THAT OUT ON MY KNITTED LACE EMAIL LIST! - 01 BUT NOT ALL OF USE ARE PATIENT ENOUGH TO PLOW THROUGH THE WORDS <@Dani> ill have to Mail Diagram etc to Georgia , for Scanning into computer , for its talk ;;; as i am Not "the Geek" ;) 01 SO OFFERING BOTH IS GREAT. 12I sometimes make my own diagram from simple edging patterns rather than read the "antique" long hand patterns 01 I NOTICED THAT - THE "OTHER" DANI IS FROM ny BUT YOU'RE FROM JACKSON... A LONG WAYS AWAY :) 06definately if anyone needs a diagram for the butterflies just e-mail me and I'll make one up 01 ME TOO SANDY - BY DIAGRAMMING IN ADVANCE I CAN SEE IF THERE ARE ERRORS IN THE PATTERN 04I make my diagrams when adding beads to see how many I need 01 OR MAYBE NOT ERRORS BUT AT LEAST DIFFERENCES BETWEENT EH PATTERN TEXT AND WHAT'S IN THE PHOTO 06good Idea Isabell 01 I USUALLY WANT TO TAT WHAT'S IN THE PHOTO, SO I'M NOT PLEASED WHEN I FIND THE PATTERN DOESN'T MATCH EXACTLY MID-TAT! 01 VERY GOOD IDEA - BEADING TAKES SOME ADVANCE PLANNING IF THEY ARE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY MUST COME FROM PRESTRINGING 04I have alot of UFO'S 06I hate that too :( but when they match :) Cynthia if you have a diagram can u email me one for the butterfly 01 SORRY HOPE I DON'T SCARE ANYONE 01 JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU APPROACH PATTERNS WITH PATIENCE - PLEASE ASK QUESITONS IF UNSURE <@Dani> my Pattn is super-simple ... for those who truely are Beginners ... No reverse work and such 01 SOME OF THE PATTERNS WE'VE LINKED HAVE BEEN FOUYND TO HAVE ERRORS, SO IF YOU FIND ONE, YOU CAN ASK 06sure I can...repeat your e-mail please thanks mimi I would rather be for=warned 01 ntrop@ix.netcom.com - IT'S ON ALL THE BEGINNER'S LESSONS stash4stitch@bellsouth.net thank you <@Dani> just chains n rings and joining picots n picots for decore ;;; n ill see about beads ;; god willing 01 SO DID ANYONE TRY THE PATTERNS THIS LESSON? DOVE? 04yes 06yes no not yet 01 THE DOVE IS 2 RINGS 01 KEEP IN MIND THAT SHE USES --- TO MEAN A LONG PICOT, NOT 3 PICOTS 01 THE "." AT THE END OF A LINE MEANS "CLOSE RING" k 01 DOVE PATTERN: http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/birdy.html 01 EXCELLENT DOODLE FOR NOTECARDS, NAMETAGS, ETC 06It is fun to do thos birds 06make cute earrings too 01 ALSO CYNTHIA FROM OK CONTRIBUTED HER FAVORITE BUTTERFLY PATTERN 01 THE ONE I NEED TO CHANGE HER EMAIL ADDRESS ON :) 01 http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/Butterflies_are_Forever_Free__2_pages.pdf 01 HER SHORTHAND IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM JOANN'S 01 BUT SHE LISTS THE ABBREVIATIONS BEFORE THE PATTERN WRITE UP 01 A VERY HELPFUL PRACTICE FOR READERS 01 HAS ANYONE TRIED THIS BUTTERFLY>? 04yes 01 ANY QUESTIONS/ COMMENTS? WE HAVE THE AUTHOR HERE TO ANSWER :) 04I like the abbreviations used before the pattern. no but will over the weekend i do too 06I find it easier to do the abbreviations first 06I add more if I discover I missed one 01 LAST, WE HAVE A LINK TO SUZANN WELKER'S BUTTERFLY IDEAS PAGE: http://www15.brinkster.com/lyricalarmy/Butterflies/butterfl.htm 01 the patterns may be a little more advanced, so if you're a newby, you may want to hold off on trying some of htose until you've had another lesson or two 01 SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TONIGHT'S LESSON? no thanks so much for helping me 12i have a question.... 12i printed out a pattern.... 12in the middle of it... 12so where did I PUT it???? <@Dani> lol 12oh! never mind...it's on the chair next to me. <@Dani> rofl 01 I HAVE DAYS LIKE THAT TOO 06that we couldn't answer Wink ROFL 06I think we all do 12sometimes I'm looking ALL OVER for my glasses so I can drive home from somewehre.... 12can't find them anywhere. 12they're on my face... 01 I NEED GLASSES TO FIND MY GLASSES, SO IF I CAN SEE I KNOW THEY'RE ON :) 06on your nose??? I've done that LOL :) 12yeah. usually when I can't find mine they are on the top of my head 12i'm ok with finding my glasses, but heaven help me if I lose a contact lens. 12I can't see them without them 01 SO DID YOU TRULY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT A PATTERN STEPHANIE? WE CAN HAVE SOME OPEN Q&A UNTIL THE TOP OF THE HOUR 12no, just where did I leave the pattern I was wroking on. 12;-) 01 MEANTIME IF ANYONE NEEDS TO LEAVE YOUR HOMEWORK FOR THIS WEEK IS TO TRY THE PATTERNS FROM THIS LESSON IF YOU HAVEN'T 12Cathy was the first phone call this evening - that's why I was gone a long while. 01 AND TO READ AHEAD IN NEXT WEEK'S LESSON http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson2.html 01 AND IF YOU HAVE TIME, TRY SOME OF THOSE TECHNIQUES TOO 01 NO QUESTIONS FROM STUDENTS??? well I know Iwill get to lesson 2 can't promise anything after that..lol 12Katia's not here tonight? I hope everything's ok. 01 IT WAS GREAT THAT EVERYONE CAME PREPARED TONIGHT SO WE COULD FINISH ON TIME AND HAVE TIME FOR Q&A 01 YES SHE AND MAX AND FAMILY ARE FINE 12good 01 HAD A SCHEDULING CONFLICT IS ALL 01 HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS :) see you all next week. 06bye Sharon 04Bye goodnight 02* Sharon (Tatter@simplySPACE-46B88D61.ard.bellsouth.net) Quit (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 12Thank you! See you next week. 06Bye Sandy 04Cynthia, do you have any size 50 thread? 06Yes. 12Mimi I tried to convince a new tatter to sign up for this class, but apparently she hasn't gotten around to it yet....name is Isabella, she's from Atlanta 04Could I borrow some? 01 NIGHT SANDY 06It is yellow I think and yes 01 SHE'S WELCOME ANYTIME 04Great color. 12She's a high school chemistry teacher....one of the busiest times of year for her, I guess.... 01 OR SHE CAN STUDY ON HER OWN ON THE WEBSITE THIS SUMMER 12end of school, exams, grading 06all that fun stuff <@Dani> night all 12she said she was going to get down to lots of tatting this summer 04night 01 NIGHT DANI, THANKS AGAINF RO COMING 06Nite Dani 12Night Dani 01 GOOD LUCK WITH THE TREE PATTERN <@Dani> tree pattn aint no problem ;;; n now ill soon have time to work it out <@Dani> just need to finish it from start to finish ... and want to add in beads 02* SandyC (Tatter@simplySPACE-FDAE31A8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) <@Dani> have a source from which to obtain seed beads ;;; need to trial the hints recently posted at etatters site 02* @Dani (Tatter@simplySPACE-1B479A95.dial1.houston1.level3.net) Quit (Connection reset by peer) 01 OK THEN IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL LOG OFF TOO AND GET THE LOG READY FOR UPLOADING 04Thanjs 01 EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD WEEK, AND SEE YOU NEXT THURSDAY! 12Thanks Mimi! 04I mean Thanks Session Close: Thu May 01 18:58:07 2008