Session Start: Thu Mar 13 18:07:17 2008 Session Ident: #tatchat 03[18:07] * Now talking in #tatchat [18:07] 13me. Work interferes with tatting [18:07] 05brb need my piano glasses in order to read the computer [18:07] 02Hi Mimi [18:07] 04Hi, Mimi 01[18:07] Good evening all, sorry so late [18:07] 07Hi Mimi [18:07] <@Isabell> 10Hi Mimi [18:07] hello Mimi [18:07] 12hi Mimi! [18:07] 02I can relate StitchingSharon [18:07] 13hhhi Mimi [18:08] 12work is a 4-letter word.... [18:08] ive seen you answered alot of mail of new tatter ... long list ;) [18:08] 05I wasn't here last week but this is the fourth go round for these lessons for me [18:08] 02only one more week for me then freedom!! 01[18:08] oh my goodness so much interest [18:08] 05congratulations on your retirement Angie. What kind of work did you do? [18:08] i think i should nt have add the info on how to join us ... 03[18:09] * Tatter (Tatter@simplySPACE-6D617A93.dhcp.hspr.ca.charter.com) has joined #tatchat [18:09] 12isn't this fantastic!? makes me glad I'm here just to see all these people learning to tat! [18:09] 02I am an unemployment analyst with the state of MI [18:09] 07. [18:09] Sherree 01[18:09] what do you mean, katia? [18:09] 05I remember you Angie. We chatted. You live near me. [18:09] <@Isabell> 10Hi Sherree [18:09] 02Oh, right you are in Canada [18:09] 07Hi Sherree [18:09] sorry I'm late did we sign in yet? [18:09] We have 3 new tatter with us Teresa , Angi and Willow [18:09] Hi everyone! [18:10] not yet Sheree [18:10] 12hi [18:10] 02I am not new, I was in the November class [18:10] ok great thanaks [18:10] 05k 01[18:10] that's right Angie, and you were a great student. good to see you back [18:10] i admit it, I am new to tatting [18:10] 02I was hoping to get back to a class [18:10] 05Mimi and Katia, I am almost done my first star following the Order of the Eastern Star pattern [18:10] ok i think its time to start this lesson ..unless mimi say otherwise ;) [18:10] 05I will have 18 more to make 01[18:11] LET'S GO! PLEASE SIGN IN [18:11] PLEASE SIGN IN ! [18:11] 0513 in five colours, five solid coloured ones [18:11] Katia Vallée Sherbrooke QC Canada lady_elhasa@hotmail.com 01[18:11] MIMI DILLMAN, ntrop@ix.netcom.com, Snohomish, WA USA [18:11] How do we sign in [18:11] 12that's a lot of stars! [18:11] 07Natasha,Nashua, NH - lunazot at hotmail dot cme [18:11] WONDERFULL MARGARET [18:11] 04Cathy, lucie296@yahoo.com, south, GA 01[18:11] GOOD JOB MARGARET! [18:11] 12Stephanie Athens, GA [18:11] 13Sharon Fawns Hillsboro Kentucky USA stitchingsharon@hughes.net [18:11] 09 i thought i was signed in [18:11] <@Isabell> 10Isabell isabell.sandoval@yahoo.com [18:11] 05Margaret I. Boos, London, Ontario, Canada, maggiep54@sympatico.ca, shuttle [18:11] FOR THOSE WHO MISSED LAST WEEK CLASS [18:11] willow taylor glendale arizona [18:11] Carol and Suzy, Alabama [18:11] 02Angela Miracle, al_miracle@hotmail.com Davison, MI [18:11] Priscilla Sewell NJ pmmclane@comcast.net 01[18:11] PLEASE SIGN IN WITH YOUR NAME, WHERE YOU LIVE, AND YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS [18:11] PLEASE SIGN IN … MEANING YOU YOU GIVE YOUR FULL NAME, CITY, STATE, COUNRY AND EMAIL [18:12] Sherree Givens, Hesperia, CA USA, sherree10@yahoo.com [18:12] 12Teresa Davis, Indianapolis, Indiana, USA teresa0955@sbcglobal.net [18:12] Carol mntak99@yahoo.com AL [18:12] SHERREE CAN YOU CHANGE YOUR NICK PLEASE ;) [18:12] <@Isabell> 10Isabell Sandoval Taylor, Tx Isabell.sandoval.sandoval@yahoo.com USA [18:12] 05Sherree, type your name in the white box in the bottom right hand corner under 'change nick to' and hit enter [18:12] 07oops... did not realize I have to write my full name :-)... I'll do it again :-) [18:12] Suzy worleysu@bellsouth.net AL 01[18:12] GOOD, I SEE SUZY GOT IN ! VERY DETERMINED LADY IS SHEE [18:12] 07Natasha Wiegelman, Nashua, NH -- lunazot at hotmail dot com [18:12] ok 03[18:13] * Tatter is now known as Sherree [18:13] NICE SHERREE THANKS [18:13] 04k 01[18:14] ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REMAINING FROM THE MEET AND GREET LESSON? [18:14] sorry 01[18:14] THAT'S WHERE WE MADE SURE EVERYONE HAD THEIR PROPER SUPPLIES AND COULD MAKE A DOUBLE STITCH [18:14] 04I had a general question come up but I didn't write it down and now can't recall it 01[18:14] I HATE IT WHEN THAT HAPPENS :) [18:15] no questions here [18:15] WILLOW AND TERESA YOU READ THE MEET AND GREET OF LAST WEEK ? [18:15] how do you do that [18:15] 12i clicked the meet and greet link and read that page, is that what you mean [18:15] YES TERESA [18:16] 07Katia, where can I find the log for last week's meet and greet? 01[18:16] http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/meet_greet.html 01[18:16] SORRY I FORGOT TO POST THE LOG 01[18:16] KATIA DO YOU WANT TO TAKE OVER WHILE I GO DO THAT? [18:16] SURE [18:16] 04k [18:16] 07Ah! OK! I was wondering if my web page did not want to get updated, because I kept seeing January's log :-) [18:17] SORRY ABOUT THAT [18:17] i see a jan [18:17] 07not a problem at all [18:18] FOR THE 2 LADIES WHO MISSED THE MEET AND GREET , EACH WEEK WE ASK THAT YOU READ THE NEXT WEEK LESSON AND TRY IT [18:18] SO WHEN YOU GET IN CLASS YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTION [18:18] did that [18:18] 04this may be for later in this lesson -- when using a picot gauge, how do you ensure the picots are the same size? [18:18] dove's got a neck that not in pattern lol [18:18] WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT MARGARET [18:19] 07:-) :-) :-) [18:19] SO EVERYONE READ AND TRIED THIS WEEK LESSON? [18:19] 12y [18:19] yes [18:19] 04yes [18:19] yep [18:19] 07my dove has a small neck also. for some reason with the thread I was using I could not bring the 2nd ring cloe enough [18:19] 07yes [18:19] yes [18:19] 04I looked at the lesson and have it in another screen right now [18:20] <@Isabell> 10Yes [18:20] HOW WAS THE READING PATTERN PART FOR YOU GUYS EASY OR DIFFICULT? [18:20] no I was ill [18:20] easy [18:20] 12well i looked at the lesson but i made something off another pate [18:20] 12page [18:20] 07I have a question about butterflies [18:20] ITS ALRIGHT TERESA [18:20] 04easy [18:20] YES NATASHA? [18:20] 04I still have difficulty with the picture part. I can read written patterns just fine (and find mistakes with great skill) [18:21] 07I had no problems with butterfly # 1, but I got confused with #2... [18:21] <@Isabell> 10Directions are easier for me than pictue [18:21] 02I have to go. [18:21] 04bye [18:21] 12night Angie....1 more week.... [18:21] I had trouble with #3 the last part [18:21] 12hang in there [18:21] bye angie [18:21] 12;-) 03[18:21] * Tatter (Tatter@simplySPACE-DAEFDCD4.stl1cmta01.stwrok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) has joined #tatchat [18:21] NIGHT ANGI [18:21] 07it said to make a chain after making a ring -- does this mean that you had to do the 2nd butterfly with 2 shuttles? [18:21] 04nite, Angie 02[18:21] * Angie (Tatter@simplySPACE-EC7B491C.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) Quit (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) [18:21] 04Angie. good to have you here even for a short while. Longer after retirement [18:21] 07bye Angie! 03[18:22] * Tatter is now known as Cynthia [18:22] join to last picot of last ring and then to first picot of first ring? [18:22] 12hi Cynthia! [18:22] 04Hi, Cynthia [18:22] 04hi, Cynthia [18:22] THE BUTTERFLY PATTERN IS NT EXACTLY WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE PICTURE [18:22] <@Isabell> 10Hi Cynthia [18:22] 07Hi Cynthia! [18:22] HELLO CYNTHIA [18:22] sorry I'm late [18:22] hi Cynthia [18:22] ITSALRIGHT WE JUST STARTED ... PLEASE SIGN IN! [18:23] 05Katia, is it possible for you to describe in words what the pictures mean? [18:23] WERE WAS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THE SECOND BUTTERFLY NATASHA? [18:23] Cynthia Stevenson, tattingalong at yahoo.com Stillwater Oklahoma [18:23] 07. [18:23] 05k [18:24] YOU CAN MAKE THE CHAIN OFF THE BALL [18:24] 07Katia -- I could not understand - it said to make a chain after making a ring -- does that mean I had to have 2 shuttles -- I do not know how to make a chain with 1 shuttle [18:25] - [18:25] YOU CAN MAKE A CHAIN WITH ONE SHUTTLE BY NOT CUTTING THE THREAD BETWEEN THE SHUTTLE AND THE BALL THREAD [18:26] 07but it did mean that you had to have either a 2nd shuttle or a separate ball of thread -- right? [18:26] Or just pull off a couple of feet from the shuttle to use as the ball thread [18:26] THANKS SUZY [18:26] 12but pull it off the shuttle BEFORE you start the first ring [18:26] 05Katia, I just linked to the Bella Online page and their description of how to read a tatting diagram seems very good. I will peruse it later. That should help [18:27] WONDERFULL MARGARET 01[18:27] I'M BACK. LOG FOR M&G LESSON LAST WEEK IS NOW ON THE LESSON PAGE http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/meet_greet.html [18:27] WB MIMI [18:27] 07Thank you, ladies! [18:27] 12wb Mimi [18:27] 05wb MIMI [18:27] NATASHA HAVE YOU EVER TATTED CHAIN AND RING WITHOUT CUTTNG THE THREAD BETWEEN THE SHUTTLE AND BALL? [18:28] thanks Mimi [18:28] 07Katia, no. Have not tried it yet [18:28] 07And I am not sure what you mean by "cutting" [18:28] OK WE WILL SEE THAT PART IN NEXT WEEK LESSON SO DONT WORRY TO MUCH ABOUT IT FOR THIS WEEK OK ? [18:28] 07OK :-) [18:29] EVERYONE HAD ANY TROUBLE WITH THE RINGS? [18:29] <@Isabell> 10no [18:29] 04no [18:29] 12n [18:29] no [18:29] no [18:29] no [18:29] 07Oh, and I scanned my doves and butterfly. what address should I e-mail them to? [18:29] 07no [18:30] MIMI OR ME [18:30] 05I can do rings [18:30] no trouble [18:30] YOU GUYS ARE GOOD ...SINCE I CANT DO THEM ;) [18:30] 07OK. I'll do that after the class, Katia :-) [18:30] 05with a shuttle, Katia? [18:31] TODAY WITH ANYTHING .... KEEP BROKING MY THREAD 01[18:31] TOO DRY FROM THE COLD WEATHER KATIA? [18:31] 12are you using very old thread? [18:31] 05for the first time today, I had to cut out a part where I had made a mistake [18:32] 05I had attached the thread to the wrong picot and was making the point of the star in the wrong place [18:32] I had to cut out a part a few days ago too 01[18:32] OW, SO FRUSTRATING. BUT THE IMPORTANT PART IS: WERE YOU ABLE TO START AGAIN AND DO IT RIGHT THE 2ND TIME? [18:32] BRAN NEW THREAD, BUT WITH KIDS AND THE dh HOME SICK ... WELL YOU CAN IMAGINE ;) [18:32] 05all corrected now and working on the very last point [18:32] 12i just made the dove, bu why does it say shuttle only? cuz i made it with a needel [18:33] 12oh, so you probably are all tense and pulling too hard when you close the rings? [18:33] 05how is your son that was in the car accident, Katia? [18:33] YOU CAN DO IT WITH THE NEEDLE TERESA [18:33] 05Teresa, that means you don't need a ball too [18:33] MAX IS DOING WELL SITTING BESIDE ME AT THE MOMENT READING WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT [18:33] 07. [18:33] 12oh! Bonsoir Max! [18:33] 04oes he tat? [18:34] 05hello, Max, hope you continue to do well [18:34] Hi Max, welcome 01[18:34] WELCOME MAX [18:34] 06Hi Max I hope you are healing well, and welcome [18:34] 07Hi Max! Glad to have you with us:-) 01[18:34] ALL OF KATIA'S KIDS TAT (I THINK??) [18:34] <@Isabell> 10Hi, Max! [18:34] HE SAYS HELLO TO EVERYONE AND TO KEEP TATTING ..... [18:35] THEY ALL TAT INDEED .. WELL AT LEAST THE YOUNGEST TRIES [18:35] 06a tat master...LOL [18:35] 05I think I remembered my question, Mimi, and it will be discussed later in this lesson on picots [18:35] 12hm, well i did use a ball so maybe i didn't do it right, the only thing that doesn't look right is there is spce between the head and the body 01[18:35] ACTUALLY, IF WE'RE DONE WITH RIGNS, ARE PICOTS NEXT KATIA? [18:35] TERESA DO YOU SHUTTLE TAT OR NEEDLE TAT? 01[18:36] TERESA, PREVENTING GAPS bETWEEN ELEMENTS IS TOUGH 01[18:36] IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME PRACTICE 01[18:36] KATIA WILL HAVE SOME TIPS SPECIFIC FOR NEEDLE TATTERS [18:36] 05k 01[18:36] SHUTTLE TATTERS CAN HAVE THIS DIFFICULTY TOO [18:36] 12needle 01[18:36] THE FIRST PART IS TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT CAN HAPPEN AND WATCH CLOSELY WHEN STARTING THE NEXT ELEMENT [18:36] 07. 01[18:36] TRYING YOUR BEST TO START IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE ONE BEFORE 01[18:36] AND THEREBY PREVENT.... [18:37] IM WONDERING HOW SHE MADE HER RING WITH THE BALL THREAD OR THE NEEDLE THREAD? 01[18:37] * GAPSOSIS!! * [18:37] 12well i did a medallion earlier this evening and didn't have that problem, so may i just dint' hold it tight enough [18:37] 06the butterflies I sent are good to practice as you can always pull it up and hide the gapsosis along the pin 01[18:37] THANKS FOR REMINDING ME CYNTHIA [18:37] 05my question is simple: up until this motif, I have always eyeballed the picots. This time, becuase it is part of the international beginners' round robin, I am using a picot gauge. But the picots are as different in size (or maybe more so) than when I eyeballed them 01[18:37] I WAS AWAY WHEN LESSON 1 STARTED 01[18:37] CYNTHIA IS A FORMER BEGINNER STUDENT AND SHE CONTRIBUTED A PATTERN TO THIS CLASS!! [18:38] 07Thank you for the interesting pattern, Cynthia. I just found it today on the web site, but have not tried it yet 01[18:38] IT'S THE "BUTTERFLIES ARE FOREVER FREE" PATTERN 01[18:38] http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/Butterflies_are_Forever_Free__2_pages.pdf [18:38] 06You are welcome Natasha and everyone else too 01[18:38] THE 2ND PAGE HAS LOTS OF TIPS AND SUGGESTIONS 01[18:38] THAT WILL INTEREST EVEN NON-BEGINNERS [18:38] TERESA DO YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE TRUE RING WITH THE NEEDLE? [18:38] 12yes [18:39] 05I have printed that pattern off several times to teach my friends who want to learn tatting 01[18:39] THIS PATTERN WAS ADDED FOR THIS LESSON SET, SO THE "OLD HANDS" CAN GO BACK TO THE LESSON TO SEE IT 01[18:39] THANKS AGAIN CYNTHIA 01[18:39] PICOT GAUGE QUESTION- [18:39] OK TERESA ... JUST ASKING TO SEE WHAT YOU KNOW 01[18:39] USE OF THE PICOT GAUGE TAKES PRACTICE [18:39] I have a pile few of these butterflies in different colors on my table right now, thanks for the pattern 01[18:39] IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO KEEP THE SAME TENSION AROUND THE GAUGE EACH TIME [18:40] 07. 01[18:40] AND DEPENDING UPON THE GAUGE SIZE 01[18:40] IT MAY BE TALL ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN'T SEE BEHIND IT [18:40] 06I had the same problem when I started but it gets better with practice 01[18:40] AND IF YOU LEAVE SLACK ON ONE PICOT BUT NOT ANOTHER, YOU CAN WIND UP IWTH PICOTS OF DIFFERENT SIZES [18:40] 05I splurged and treated myself to a set of Georgia's mahogany gauges last September at Ayr tat day 01[18:40] TAKE IT SLOW AND CAREFUL AT FIRST, MAKING SURE IT'S THE SAME TENSION BOTH SIDES 01[18:40] THOSE ARE WONDERFUL GAUGES, I HAVE SEVERAL SETS 01[18:41] ONE FOR EACH TATTING BAG AND A FEW TO SPARE [18:41] 05is it possible to use the picot gauge horizontally when making picots in a ring? [18:41] 12I had a terrible time getting same size picots with a gauge at first. [18:41] 06I found when using needle--place the gauge along the needle at right angles with the widest side against the needle 01[18:41] YES IT IS MARGARET, SAME AS A CHAIN [18:41] SO DO I AND ALL MY HOMETOWN SUTDENT GET A GIFT FROM ME OF THOSE GAUGE [18:41] 12Finally figured out that I didn't always keep my finger on teh picot and if I let go too soon, it got real big [18:41] 07. 01[18:41] INTERESTING STEPHANIE [18:42] GOOD POINT CYNTHIA [18:42] 05what is the procedure for the horizontal technique? I am only successful with the vertical method [18:42] How do you hold them? I mean both hands are busy and I cant figure out how to add gauges in the mix too. [18:42] 12I have a habit of letting go too early on the last picot of the ring or chain.... [18:42] 12now I pay close attention and keep my finger on it...or put it in the pinch [18:42] 05this pattern has 10 picots separated by 2 ds within a ring [18:42] 12and that doesn't happen [18:42] 12(usually) [18:42] 05I have been removing the gauge each time vertically [18:43] YOU CAN HOLD THE GAUGE BETWEEN THE THUMB AND INDEX OF RING HAND 01[18:43] OUCH MARGARET LET'S TRY HORIZONTA [18:43] 12You can do it horizontally in a ring, too Margaret 02[18:43] * StitchingSharon (Tatter@A2C26C35.B77C7453.72BBB2F0.IP) Quit (Connection reset by peer) [18:43] 05somehow I haven't managed to be successful in doing horizontal [18:44] 12ok, i'm confused, what am i supposed to be doing RIGHT NOW? [18:44] WORKING VERTICALLY TAKE ABIT MORE PRACTICE THEN HORIZONTALY [18:44] lol [18:44] 07. [18:44] 12I have a cohfession to make....if I am using a needle I can only use the gua\\\\\ [18:44] 12gauge verticlaly. [18:45] TERESA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PICOT GAUGE AND HOW TO USE THEM WITH THE SHUTTLE AND NEEDLE 03[18:45] * Tatter (Tatter@A2C26C35.B77C7453.72BBB2F0.IP) has joined #tatchat [18:45] 06c [18:45] 12couldn't manage to hold the thing AND the needle to do it horizontally. 03[18:45] * Tatter is now known as StitchingSharon [18:45] 12wb Sharon [18:45] 05vertical is the only method I have made it [18:45] 12i don't have any of those, i've jsut been ttrying to measure with my finger [18:45] wb sharon [18:46] 12sometimes I put 2 dots on my finger and measure that way [18:46] 07Teresa, we just read web pages for each lesson prior to the chat session. and then we ask questions here. [18:46] <@Isabell> 10I use ny finger and hold that needle really tight! [18:46] STEPHANIE FOR NEEDLE TATTER ITS A BIT MORE DIFFICULT NOT TO SAY GYMNASTIC LIKE TO USE THE GAUGE VERTICALLY [18:46] BUT DO ABLE [18:46] 12really? Wow....I'm a gymnist? Cool! ;-) [18:47] 12For some reason I have trouble holding it horizontally with the needle. 01[18:47] GYMNASTICS IN MY CHAIR :) [18:47] 12Very easy to do either way with the shuttle, but I have been holding a shuttle for many years.... 01[18:47] I FIND IT EASIER WITH SHUTTLE, THAT'S FOR SURE. [18:47] 12and the needle is still pretty new to me. 01[18:47] I TAT THE FIRST PART OF THE RING 01[18:47] UNTIL THE FIRST DS 01[18:47] THEN I HOLD THE GAUGE LIKE KATIA SAID [18:47] 06me to Steph but I can manage it vertically 01[18:47] BETWEEN MY THUMB AND INDEX FINGER OF THE NON-SHUTTLE HAND [18:48] 05k [18:48] 06with needle--haven't mastered it with shuttle yet 01[18:48] I USE MY SHUTTLE HAND TO PUT THE RING THREAD OVER THE TOP OF THE GAUGE 01[18:48] THEN MAKE A DS [18:48] 12oh, see, and for me shuttle is easy and I haven't mastered it with the needle yet. [18:48] FOR NEEDLE ITS IN BETWEEN THE THUMB AND INDEX OF THE NEEDLE HAND [18:48] 07. 01[18:48] MAKING SURE THAT THE FIRST HALF OF THE DS PULLS THE PICOT TIGHT OVER THE GAUGE 01[18:49] FOR MARGARET'S RING, I'D DO 2 DS, THEN REPEAT WITH USING MY SHUTTLE TIP TO PUSH THE RING THREAD OVER THE GAUGE 01[18:49] MAKE A TIGHT 1ST HALF DS THEN 01[18:49] FINISH THAT DS AND MAKE ANOTHER DS BEFORE ANOTHER PICOT 01[18:49] NEVER REALLY MOVING THE GAUGE 01[18:49] IS THAT MAKING SENSE? 03[18:50] * Tatter (Tatter@simplySPACE-571AD937.bhm.bellsouth.net) has joined #tatchat 01[18:50] WHILE MARGARET IS LOOPING, CAN I JUST CHECK AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE CAN DO A PICOT WITHOUT A GUAGE? [18:50] 07yes 03[18:50] * Tatter is now known as NancyCarol [18:50] 06yes [18:50] 12phone - brb [18:50] WELCOME NANCY [18:50] <@Isabell> 10Yes 01[18:50] THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER ABOUT THE PICOT IS THAT IT'S ONLY A THREAD SPACE [18:50] can do them, just cant get them the size i want [18:50] 05let's go back. how am I holding the gauge? 01[18:50] THE DS BEFORE AND AFTER DO *NOT* COUNT WITH THE PICOT [18:50] yes [18:50] 13I bought a set of picot guages from Georgis.... but have trouble figuring out which to use. 01[18:50] HOLDING THE GAUGE IN YOUR PINCH WITH THE RING THREAD AND PARALLEL TO THE RING THREAD 01[18:51] CHOOSING HTE SIZE OF GAUGE IS KIND OF TOUGH [18:51] 02Hey Folks, better late than not at all. Grandkids in bed -- finally! 01[18:51] DEPENDS ON YOUR THREAD SIZE AND THE SIZE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE 01[18:51] MIGHT TAKE MAKING A TEST TAT (SWATCH??) TO SEE WHICH YOU LIKE BEST BEFORE STARTING YOUR PROJECT [18:51] 07. [18:51] 06use the size you like unless the pattern calls for something specific [18:51] 13patterns don't say how big to make the picot [18:51] THAT COME WITH PRACTICE 01[18:51] RIGHT KATIA [18:52] 06then do what feels/looks right 02[18:52] * Cathy (Tatter@29E969B1.C4F6F56C.87A6A8EE.IP) Quit (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) [18:52] 13I can use a LOT more practice [18:52] 05k [18:52] BUT I CAN SAY THAT MOST PATTERN USE 1/4INCH THREAD SPACE FOR THERE PICOT [18:52] like the dove, the longest wing tip on one side is longer than on the other side [18:52] 06you can do the butterflies with lots of sizes or make them all uniform and they all look good [18:52] 07I read in one of my russian books that "default" picot is aboout 4 mm (if you know metric system) :-) [18:53] 131/4 inch space - so that means picot is 1/8 inch tall? 01[18:53] 4MM?? I GUESS THAT'S AS GOOD A START AS ANY [18:53] 06great way to practice and have some examples as well [18:53] ACTUALLY ITS MORELIKE 6 MM = 1/4 INCHES 01[18:53] AS A GREAT TATTING TEACHER, MR DALE POMEROY SAYS: YOU ARE THE ARTIST, MAKE THEM AS IT LOOKS BEST TO YOU [18:53] SO TRUE MIMI 01[18:53] I'VE ONLY SPECIFIED PICOT SIZES IN MY PATTERNS WHEN STRUCTURALLY THAT SIZE IS NEEDED OR THE PIECE WILL CUP 01[18:53] (OR RUFFLE) [18:54] 07I like that statement, Mimi :-) 01[18:54] SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT ARE THAT JOINING PICOTS SHOULD BE VERY SMALL [18:54] 05i can make the ds around the gauge and take them all off at once? [18:54] YES MARGARET [18:54] 05but how? 01[18:54] THE DS'S ARE AROUND THE RIGN THREAD ONLY, THE PICOTS OVER THE GAUGE... DO AS MANY PICOTS AS YOU CAN, HTEN PULL HTE GUAGE OUT 01[18:55] AND YOU'LL HAVE LOTS OF PICOTS! 01[18:55] LENGTH / QUANTITY OF PICOTS FOR DECORATION CAN CHANGE THE LOOK OF A PIECE 01[18:55] IN THE M&G WE DISCUSSED THE IDEA OF GRADUATED PICOTS - [18:55] TERESA AND WILLOW ARE YOU STILL WITH US? [18:55] 02Picots are such an easy way to "dress up" a boring pattern 01[18:56] MAKING A SERIES OF PICTOS, STARTING SMALL, THEN BIGGER, THEN SMALLER AGAIN [18:56] 05just to verify -- vertical means the guage has long side pointing up to the ceiling, horizontal means the gauge points from wall to wall [18:56] yep 01[18:56] EXACTLY - GOOD WAY TO PERSONALIZE TOO [18:56] 06yes [18:56] YES MARGARET 01[18:56] RIGHT MARGARET. IT'S HOW THE GAUGE IS ORIENTED VS. THE THREAD/NEEDLE - THOSE BEING HORIZONTAL [18:56] 07. [18:57] i think i will wait for my guages before dealing with this issue 01[18:57] THAT'S PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT WILLOW. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY YEARS I TATTED WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THE CONCEPT OF A PICOT GAUGE [18:57] 06until then you can still practice picots, willow [18:57] YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN GAUGE WITH PLASTIC 01[18:58] THEN I REFUSED BECAUSE I WAS GOOD AT EYEBALLING :) [18:58] 13or cardboard 01[18:58] BUT ONCE I SAW THE BENEFIT OF HORIZONTAL GAUGE USE, I WAS HOOKED [18:58] TRUE SHARON 01[18:58] I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO USE A KNITTING NEEDLE 01[18:58] ROUND LOOPY PICOTS ARE PRETTY TOO :) [18:58] my eyeballs are crossed when trying to measure something 01[18:58] (DOUBLE POINTED NEEDLE THAT IS) [18:58] TOOTHPICKS WITH SIZE 80-100 THREAD 01[18:58] TOOTHPICKS WORK, SO DO COFFEE STIRRERS [18:59] now thats and idea, I have a lot of knitting needles [18:59] 05the picots all collapsed when I removed the gauge horizontally 01[18:59] JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE HORIZONTAL SURFACES ARE SMOOTH 01[18:59] SO THAT YOU CAN SLIDE THE PICOTS OFF WITHOUT HITTING A SPLINTER OR SOME SUCH [18:59] 07Mimi, and probably a short knitting needle - right? otherwise it will be on your way - I'd imagine 01[18:59] SHOVVE THE DS'S BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE RING [18:59] 12ok, when i close a ring, shoud i bring the needle UP thur the loop, or DOWN thru the loop? 01[18:59] I'VE USED MY REGULAR DPNS... HOW LONG ARE THOSE, 6"? [18:59] YOU CAN ALSO USE SEEWING NEEDLE OF DIFFERENT SIZE 01[18:59] ONE LADY WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE ME A BROKEN BAMBOO NEEDLE 01[18:59] THAT WAS NICE UNTIL I LOST IT 01[19:00] WAHH [19:00] 13back end of a small crochet hook works too 01[19:00]