Session Start: Thu Feb 07 18:12:50 2008 Session Ident: #tatchat * Now talking in #tatchat 12Hi Mimi! 05hi, Mimi 13It will be a hard year for him but grief counseling can help. 06hi mimi 04Hi, Mimi 13Hi Mimi last week the nightmare he was having were very bad and with is injury they could affort that he get off of bed hello mimi mimi hi Good evening mimi Hey Mimi Hi Mimi 05Mimi, I emailed you my split ring scans but I doubt you had a chance to look at them 12It will take him a long time to recover mentally. That is a terrible thing to have to experience when you are his age. :-* Hello, couldn't connect with the INternet so haven't got to email yet. Sorry to be so late . 05how was your weather this week, Katia? its alright mimi i manage to get home earlier .... 05like mine, all snow and ice 06. its nice here margaret 13Glad you weren't in the storms--at least not the bad ones, Mimi really scary weather in the midwest Not so baad here, just some wind. true ... but not to be mean im glade its not me 05I stood out in the ice pellets yeaterday for the last 15 minutes of my shift crossing the children at school ouch margaret . 12Today was nice, sunny, pleasant temperature, but yesterday was nasty Margaret, I was driving a school bus in that rain yesterday. LOL you really got it ad there margaret I know, I was out in my tee shirt this afternoon wink 12I was too 05yesterday we had a coating of ice on everything and this morning lots of snow on top of it We escaped the worst of it in Alabama Mimi i have a patern to send you later ... could you try it this week if you have time ? Sure Katia Send that snow to east TN PLEASE 06. Sweet Georgia Seitz called to check on me yesterday! 12I'm ready for spring. my 12 year old is praying for snow, you could send him some? its a special patern for next week class ;) Come out here Ellen, the mountains 50 miles west got 2 ft today 13it's mid winter 05we have had thunder every night since Sunday and lightning too yesterday . 06Mimi, I got the beads figured out after our Email. I made the dragonfly pattern on Tat's All. sorry mountains east :) 04c Wonderful Joy!! 05I think we have had 5 snow storms of value this year so far, one more this weekend 06Thanks for the help! YOu're welcome. my folks are in the chicago area they are buried in snow I still do not care much for beads. I'll try them again though. 05Chicago is not really all that far from me 06I have to say they're not my favorite, at least not yet. 13rather be burried in snow than collapsed house from a tornado amen 12yeah say that again i hear that 05are we going to talk tatting? Scary thing is that I'm a storm spotter for the NWS amen to that Cynthia 06Of course, my split ring/mock picot don't look exactly like the rest either. 13they will get better with practice, Joy Seeing email... got scans from Diana and Margaret, thanks, and looking forward to clicking Roberts' homework links too 06I know. Thanks, Cynthia. . 13Mine started out bad now are getting near acceptable and hoping for great eventually i have alot of catching up to do with the email ... sorry guys if i did nt have time to look at them :( Has anyone tried to go to the link for Chris Hinton of the Shuttle shop? 05Mimi and Katia, I dropped out of this session of art classes so will be available for a few weeks on Thursday nights. I will join again next session DID EVERYONE SIGN IN BEFORE I GOT HERE? 13should we sign in? 06The split rings are getting better. The mock picot still looks goofy for me. * Cathy has quit IRC (Ping timeout) no no PLEASE SIGN IN ! 13no 12not yet * Tatter has joined #tatchat no * Tatter is now known as Cathy Diana Klinke Ladyhawke49@comcast.net Indianapolis, IN> Katia Vallée Sherbrooke QC Canada lady_elhasa@hotmail.com sonaseun@gmail.com athens GA MIMI DILLMAN, ntrop at ix.netcom.com, Snohomish, WA USA 13Cynthia Stevenson, Stillwater Ok, brasthatfit@yahoo.com NancyCarol Bhm Ala bookjazz @ yahoo.com 05margaret I. Boos, London, Ontario, Canada, maggiep54@sympatico.ca, shuttle 12Stephanie W - running back and forth between Georgia and North Carolina Ellen Dabbs ki4iye@yahoo.com, Bristol, TN Robert Lee Foster, docfoster7 at gmail.com, Walnut Ridge, AR, USA Cathy, lucie296@yahoo.com, Athens, GA Sherree Givens sherree10@yahoo.com Hesperia, Ca 06Joy Walsh, hobbit68@aol.com, Butler, PA, USA OK WE'RE ALL SIGNED IN Cathy are you in Athens too? wow too cool FROM MY REVIEW OF THE LOG FROM LAST WEEK 04Yes, Sona IT APPEARS WE MISSED GOING OVER SCMR AND RINGS OFF CHAINS SO MY FIRST DUTY IS TO FIND OUT IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS LEFT FROM LESSON 3 OTHER THAN THOSE 2 ITEMS/ did we do that ? oh wait, I think wink told me you are this is great no questions here but I can always learn something. YEP KATIA, YOU TOLD ME "MIMI NEXT WEEK WE DO A REVIEW OF SCMR AND RING OFF CHAIN BEFORE THE SPLIT RING? :) 05I have two general questions, Mimi, do you want them now or at the end of the evening? IF THEY HAVE TO DO WITH LESSON 3 OR 4, NOW IS OK 06. 13c 05no they are general tatting questions then at the end margaret . OK SO IF NO QUESTIONS, DID EVERYONE TRY SCMR? 04c yes yes 06Yes. 04yes 13yes and it worked ok 05Mimi, in the round robin for beginners, after the split ring, how do you know which thread to use to make the first half of the ds in the lock stitch? yes yes I had a question about the split ring flower. Didn't finish... just started the second round and did the first loop 05I could not understand SCMR at all. I managed to make the loop -- that was it WHICH LOOP MARGARET I did this one http://www.ringoftatters.org.uk/seasonal/xmas/smagill/smagill2.html WE'LL TALK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPLIT RING PATTERNS WHEN WE GET TO SPLIT RING . 05the loop where the third finger catches the core thread sorry NO PROBLEM, I'LL SCROLL BACK :) 06. SO MARGARET, YOU DROPPED A LOOP OF THE SCMR CORE THREAD, THEN DID YOU START THE CHAIN? ' THE SCMR IS REALLY A CHAIN THAT LOOPS AROUND TO END WHERE IT STARTS . THEN WHEN YOU DROP YOUR SHUTTLE THROUGH THAT LOOP THAT YOU LEFT AT THE BEGINNING, 05I wasn't able to get that far VOILA YOU HAVE A CHAIN THAT YOU MADE TO LOOK LIKE A RING . 06. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? 05I had the first page of Gary and Randy's up but couldn't follow their heart or butterfly 13c 05what if fingertatting? they assumed I knew how and I don't know what SS is either . * Robert-S has quit IRC (Quit: ) * Robert-S has joined #tatchat what did I miss? switch shuttles WOW JUST SAW SALLY'S SNOWFLAKES ON THAT RINGOFTATTERS LINK, VERY NICE, GOOD FOR YOU SONA TO MAKE THAT ONE . NOTHING ROBERT FINGER TATTING IS NOT ATTACHING THE SHUTTLE THREAD TO THE SHUTTLE, JUST USE YOUR FINGERS TO GUIDE THE THREAD 13:) Thanks Katia 05is it difficult? YOU WON'T NEED MUCH THREAD. SO THE GUYS JUST FINGER TAT. YOU CAN USE A SHUTTLE IF YOU LIKE 06. 13no just feels funny at first not too bad, took me a couple tries though IS WHAT DIFFICULT? FINGER TATTIGN? NOT AT ALL. YOU'VE PROBABLY DONE IT IF YOU'VE RUN OUT OF THREAD ON YOUR SHUTTLE AND JUST HAVE ONE LAST LITTLE RING TO GO, TO EKE OUT THAT LAST TAIL oh yeah what question did i just answer:-D brb 13just do\idn't know you were doing it :) EXACTLY CYNTHIA, THAT'S FINGER TATTING. THE SHUTTLE BROTHERS DO IT A LOT - SO DOES RUTH PERRY AND I ALSO DO IT ALOT RUTH WILL DO IT WITH HUGE LONG TAILS TOO, BUT I PREFER A SHUTTLE FOR THOSE IS IT MAKING MORE SENSE, MARGARET? 13I've taught people to "finger tat" but didn't call it that 06. 04c 05back to my question about knowing what thread to make the lock join after the split ring on round robin 06Thanks for the link to the snowflakes, Sona. I'm printing them. :) 05I think I understand the logic 05I think my problem with finger tatting is more in my head than in my hands SORRY FOR THE BAD 2ND LINK IN THE SCMR PART, 2ND ONE IS http://www.geocities.com/gr8shuttles/scmrinstr2.html 13definately until you get the hang of it THAT ONE MIGHT HELP BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THEY DO THE BUTTERFLY 12I usually put some thread on a shuttle instead of finger tatting. I like the feel of the shuttle in my hands better than I like finger tatting. MARGARET WE'RE HERE TO OVERCOME OUR HEADS :) 05I was surprised how easy the split rings were 13I agree Winkerbill but it can be done ANY MORE SCMR QUESTIONS? 12I was REALLY shocked at how easy the split rings were on the needle! oh yeah ' THEY ARE FAST AND EASY TO DO ON THE NEEDLE 05if I am ever free on Thursdays AFTER I have conquered shuttle tatting, I will learn needle 06With the shuttle, it's just a little bit tricky to see that first stitch in the "dead spider" OK THEN HOW ABOUT DOING RINGS OFF THE TOPS OF CHAINS? 06For me anyway 06I had some patterns that said "2 shuttles" before and didn't know why. Now I see. 05I haven't done that because I couldn't understand the mock picot. will try right now THOSE AND SCMR'S ARE THE FIRST PLACE WHERE YOU NEED A 2ND SHUTTLE - AND RINGS OFF CHAINS ARE THE FIRST PALCE A 2ND NEEDLE IS HANDY split chain? 05I understnad the concept thought * Robert-S has quit IRC (Ping timeout) 05though I started on the needle and now I think the shuttle is a lot easier and looks nicer- but I am still new to this ANY ONE 13c ADD TROUBLE WITH THE RING OFF CHAIN? SPLIT CHAIN NEXT WEEK ok 13no I got the hang of it RINGS OFF CHAINS ARE EITHER A PIECE OF CAKE/NON-EVENT, OR THEY JUST STOP YOUR BRAIN IN YOUR TRACKS. SOUNDS LIKE VERYONE HERE UNDERSTANDS THEM ROC's ok 06So far, so good :) ok Roc ok too 04Yes yep no problem 13mine was derailed for a bit then I got it ;) OK THEN I'LL STOP FORCING LESSON 3 DOWN YOUR THROATS AND OPEN IT UP TO ****TA DA **** SPLIT RINGS!!! ok Split ring flower. I made it to steps 6 & 7 without a problem. Then on step 8, it says c 6DS, t iny p, 6 (?) DS. For some reason I thought it should be 4 to match up. I couldn't enlarge the photo to see what's g oing on. DIANA THE THING THAT MOST NEEDLE TATTER DOES NT KNOW OR ARENT TOLD IS THAT YOUR TENSION WILL CHANGE ALOT IN THE FIRST YEAR OF NEEDLE TATTING AND BECAUSE OF THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THE SIZE OF YOUR NEEDLE TO YOUR TENSION NOT NECESSALLY TO THE THREAD SIZE yay split rings 12oh, I LOVE split rings! 04I have a whole string of them here. 05Mimi, once I have made the split ring in the round robin, I am to make a mock picot. How do I know which thread to use to make the lock stitch? The one that made the five rings or the one that made the split ring? 12Way to go, Cathy! The split rings were fine 06I like them lined up together, but it's hard to make the last ring in a round a split ring and make it look like the other regular ones. ahhh I see makes sense 06(Did that make sense?) 13I've been doing hearts in split rings--red top and white bottom of split ring ooh sounds pretty YES IT DOES MAKE SENSE JOY BUT WITH PRACTICE YOULL BE ALBLE TO MAKE LOOK ALOT LIKE NORMAL ONES YOU'RE RIGHT NANCY, SMALL ERROR IN THE SPLIT RING FLOWER PATTERN 04I'll bet that's pretty. LAST PART OF THE CHAIN SHOULD BE 4 DS - SO AFTER SPLIT RING, 6 DS, SM P, *4* DS TO MATCH THE ASCENDING CHAIN Thank YOU!!! I thought I was crazy! 13it is e-mail me and I'll send the pattern 12no, *I* am crazy. ;-) ANSWER FOR MARGARET IS I'D KEEP THE WORK RIGHT SIDE UP, THE WAY THE SPLIT RING WAS DONE * Robert-S has joined #tatchat 06wb Robert THE THREAD THAT CLOSED THE SPLIT RING (MADE THE FLIPPED STITCHES) WILL BE OVER MY LEFT HAND 05what is right side up? SHUTTLE THAT MADE THE UNFLIPPED STITCHES IN MY RIGHT HAND AND I'LL USE THAT RIGHT HAND SHUTTLE TO MAKE THE LOCK STITCH SO WHAT I SHOUDL HAVE SAID INSTEAD OF RIGHT SIDE UP IS THE SIDE THAT WAS FACINGYOU WHEN YOU MADE THE SPLIT RING STAYS UP NO NEED TO RW UNLESS YOU WANT TO 13c IS THAT MAKING SENSE? 13y y yes DID I LOSE YOU MARGARET NEEDLE TATTER ... WHEN YOU DO A MOCK PICOT BEFORE THE SPLIT RING YOU DONT HAVE TO DO THE LOCK STICH .... * Robert-S has quit IRC (Ping timeout) SAME FOR SHUTTLE TATTTERS 12ok EVERYONE GOT THE MOCK PICOT CONCEPT? k 06yes 13y 12y y y y 04y 05I did the mock picot, just forgot to leave the space. Inserted the crochet hook and stretched it a bit. looks okay WELL THEN ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS LEFT FOR LESSON 4? GREAT SOLUTION, MARGARET! no ?s 06I think I'm okay for the moment * Robert-S has joined #tatchat SPLIT RINGS REALLY ARE HELPFUL 04no Poor Robert....ping timeouts 13wb Robert IF YOU PLAN YOUR WORK CAREFULLY BEFORE BEGINNING TO TAT type Robert type sorry I had an important phone call. I'll be reading the log this week. WELCOME BACK ROBERT ..... nANY PLEASE PUT SOME BOOKS ON ROBERT TO KEEP HIM SEATED ;) YOU MAY FIND THAT WITH A WELL-PLACED SUBSTITUTION OF A SPLIT RING FOR A REGULAR RING, 05after the mock picot, which thread do you use to make the chain? I would guess the one that made unflipped stitches using flipped stitches thread as the thread wrapped over the pinky YOU CAN MOVE FROM ONE ROUND TO THE NEXT WITHOUT HAVING TO STOP AND TIE AND CUT JUST AS IN THAT BEGINNER'S ROUND ROBIN PATTERN FROM LESSON 3: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/roundrobin/newbiesroundrobin.html IN THAT ONE SHE AVOIDED THE DREADED FOLDED JOIN, TOO :) It's smart of you to include the split ring in lessons for beginners. It's so important! 06Does anyone know when split rings became popular? I have a lot of vintage patterns that obviously don't use them. I'M LAZY MARGARET, I JUST LEAVE THE THREADS IN THE SAME PLACE THEY WERE AND MAKE A CHAIN IT WORKS EITHER WAY 13and makes life easier--fewer ends SPLIT RINGS WERE PATENTED BY - OH, THE NAME ESCAPES ME DORA YOUNG? 12Anne Orr \ 12wasn't it? ANYWAY ok I am catching up. the lock stich goes at the end of the split ring? DORA YOUNG PATENT IS ON LINE ANYWAY IT EXPIRED SOME TIME IN THE 90'S 12Anne Orr books call them "reverse tatting" MARY SUE KUHN'S BOOK CAME OUT ABOUT THEN Patent? Cool . AND ALSO TERI DUSENBURY'S HEARTS I made a split ring cross for a bookmark http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/ImagineIt/Sona/mytatting.jpg need some ideas for bookmark tails SEVERAL OTHER SMART TATTERS CAME UP WITH THE IDEA, DID IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS BUT NO, YOU WONT' FIND IT COMMONLY IN PATTERNS WRITTEN BEFORE THE 90'S 13all tatters are smart just some publish BUT!! I DID A BOOKMARK WITH BEADS AND THE TAIL WAS SPLITRING *YOU* CAN ADD THEM nice going sona EVEN IF THEY AREN'T SPECIFIED IN THE PATTERN 12Wow, Sona that looks great! scrolling back, phone- yes I think I have the mock picot concept 05how do you go about "planning your tatting"? LINES OF SPLIT RINGS MAKE BEAUTIFUL TAILS FOR BOOKMARKS - GOOD LANYARDS TOO WOW SONA GREAT JOB! 13all of us can modify patterns to make them easier 06I think it's fascinating to see the art evolving, even though the traditional uses for it seem to be gone (doilies, dresser scarves, etc.) 04Great work, Sona THIS CLASS IS SO TALENTED, I'M SO PROUD OF YOU thanks . This class is wonderful 13awesome is the word yes . 13the teachers are awesome too 05Mimi, to ask one more question about rings off chains. I understand that it is just switching which shuttle you are using to make the ring, right? MORE ABOUT DORA YOUNG WE HAVE REALLY GOOD STUDENT 06. 12I am constantly amazed at how beautifully you are tatting .... http://www.tribbler.com/tatman/knotless-tatting.html YES MARGARET here her on the great teachers! 12all all of you... THAT'S CORRECT MARGARET 12and in such a short time.... YOU PUT DOWN THE SHUTTLE YOU WERE USING FOR THE CHAIN 06. TAKE SHUTTLE 2 OFF YOUR LEFT HAND (OUT OF CHAIN POSITION) AND MAKE A RING WITH SHUTTLE 2 05am I supposed to be able to click on these addresses you print in the middle of the chat and have another screen come up because it doesn't work on MY computer WIHT THE BASE OF THE RING RIGHT AGAINST THE CHAIN (NO GAPSOSIS!!) did you double click? ' 06Thanks for the link, Mimi. Very cool. 13great Mimi LOOKING FOR THE PATENT ITSELF. A MIND BENDER 05I double clicked and I heard a sound and the message came up "pop-up blocked" WORK BY DORA YOUNG - http://dorayoung.home.att.net/ STILL LOOKING FOR PATENT YOU NEED TO ALLOW POP UP ON THIS SITE turn off the popup blocker then try again * Margaret has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) * Tatter has joined #tatchat * Tatter is now known as Margaret WB MARGARET another way to "force" the screen is to hold down your Ctrl while clicking the link and the screen will pop up . 13c I tried to see those links and everything went blank and now I can't see what was here before I disappeared 04c 13you'll have to read the log later I was trying to read back about some of the tatting skills 06. . WHEW FOUND IT http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/patents/04008643.pdf 13but you didn't miss much i was trying to scroll back at that moment to understand something I THINK DEAD SPIDER METHOD IS MUCH, MUCH BETTER BUT THIS WAY HAS SOME USES - 1 SHUTTLE ONLY AND IT LED TO THE SPLIT CHAINS IDEA I THINK 05what is dead spider? did I miss the dead spider definition DEAD SPIDER METHOD OF MAKING SPLIT RINGS IS THE ONE I PUT INTO LESSON 4 NOT YET ROBERT 06. Thanks M and K 13it is holding the hand fingers up to do the split ring 06I've saved all the pages, will check them out in detail later. I can do that one. that's so cool ok upheld hand is the dead spider got it. 05I think when you are talking about mock picot you need to mention again that it is just a space on both threads after which is made the lock stitch EXACTLY - YOUR RIGHT HAND CAN SOMETIMES LOOK LIKE THE POSITION THAT YOU FIND DEAD SPIDERS IN ON THE FLOOR :) Only spider I like! ME TOO CAROL EXACTLY MARGARET! 12squashed flat? 12;-) 05I actually thought I was supposed to make a knot to make the spaces and then the lock stitch 13no feet up 12hehehe...i know.... THANKS I'LL CHECK THE EXPLANATION AGAIN did I miss the discussion on the lock stitch? YES ROBERT DIDN'T ACTUALLY DISCUSS IT ROBERT, NO ONE HAD A QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? DID YOU HAVE QUESTION ON THAT PART? yes, i do. where do you place it? (AT LEAST NOT THAT THEY WOULD TYPE IN :)