Session Start: Thu Jan 31 18:09:04 2008 Session Ident: #tatchat * Now talking in #tatchat 12is he out of the hospital now? 12hi Mimi Good evening, sorry so late no he is nt out good evening mimi 13welcome, Mimi 07hello mimi Katia, not your son again? Hello Mimi Hi Mimi 04Hi, Mimi Hey Mimi. We were just catching up on Katia very sad week. 06k 13Mimi, I sent you two emails this aft. and tonight my oldes was in a car accident last week 4 in the car 2 died on the spot and his girl friend died last night he his awake but not in a vary good state of mind Thanks Margaret, I'll check after the lesson - haven't had a chance to check today Awful 13may God be with you, your family, and especially your 15 year old son so that why i was nt in class last week .... i remember what day we were today an hour ago so i came to class since i forgot last week 07. thanks everyone and i really need a change of scenery 06Understandable. Thanks for coming Katia so when everything goes bad hat do we do when your a fanatic tatter .... you tat and chat with other tatters ;) 07k 13k We appreciate your presence even more than usual to night. How about we talk Lesson 3? Might cheer us up? LET'S SIGN IN Mimi Dillman, ntrop at ix.netcom.com, Snohomish WA USA http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson3.html 07Robert lee Foster, docfoster7 at gmail.com, walnut Ridge, AR, USA 13margaret I. Boos maggiep54@sympatico.ca shuttle London, Ontario, Canada 04Cathy lucie296@yahoo.com, Athens, GA 06Joy Walsh, hobbit68@aol.com, Butler PA USA NancyCarol Bham Ala bookjazz at yahoo.com Katia Vallée sherbrooke Quebec Canada lady_elhasa@hotmail.com 12Stephanie W bouncing back and forth between Georgia and North Carolina Diana Klinke, Indianapolis, INdiana- klinkes@comcast.net SonaSeun@gmail.com Athens GA 13did Mrs. John come back? SHE HAD A BAD WEEK TOO 07my connection is slow tonight so if I seem lethargetic, you'll know why. You are coming through in chuncks. SHE WAS GOING TO TRY TO COME TONIGHT, BUT THINGS MAY NOT YET BE BACK ON AN EVEN KEEL FOR HER EITHER MEANTIME ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REMAINING ABOUT LESSON 2? (KATIA TELLS ME I NEED TO STOP FOR QUESTIONS MORE :)) how waslast week lesson 13I have a general question SURE * Robert has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) SURE * Tatter has joined #tatchat 12I need to ask Katia about the butterfly....I couldn't get the stitches far enough down the needle to make the last join. * Tatter is now known as Robert 12Is there something I did wrong? LAST WEEK WAS ACTION PACKED BUT WE DIDN'T GET TO TALK ABOUT THE NEEDLE TATTER'S TRANSITION TO/FROM TRUE RINGS 07ok, I am back 13when I am doing the second half of the ds, does it matter which side of the shuttle is up? especially when I am coming back through the loop? WELCOME BACK ROBERT 06k 12No matter how much I squished them together, I couldn't get the needle point close enough to the last picot to join that last ring. NO DIFFERENCE ON THE SHUTTLE ORIENTATION MARGARET 07thank you. myy machine is acting weird tonight. * Tatter has joined #tatchat AS LONG AS YOU GO THROUGH ABOVE THE LOOP BUT UNDER THE THREAD OVER YOUR HAND YOUR FINE 2 SEC STEPHANIE LET ME HAVE A QUICK LOOK AT THE PATERN IF YOU EVER WATCH VIDEOS OF FOLKS TATTING YOU'LL SEE THEY PASS THEIR SHUTTLE ALL KINDS OF DIFFFERENT WAYS DID YOU SEEE THE VIDEO OF SHARON BRIGGS TATTING ON CBC? 12ok, also, I did the big ring, then the two lower "wings" then the last "upper" wing, so there were more DSs on the needle for the last join. THAT THE WAY YOU SHOULD DO THE BUTTERFLY 13my shuttle is plain on one side and has circles on the other. I thought I had to keep the plain side up at all times I LOVED watching that video that Palmetto Tatters did. LOTS of variation. 10Margaret, I'm not an expert, but I hold my shuttle upside down, backwards....all kinds of crazy ways sometimes. 07k 10the tatting comes out looking the same. 13I saw Sharon 04:) NOPE! jUST USE IT AS YOU ARE COMFORTABLE. i FIND I USUALLY HAVE THE DECORATED SIDE UP, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE I LIKE TO LOOK AT IT WHILE I USE IT :) 06I hold mine the way my mother did, but none of the books show it that way. * Tatter381 has joined #tatchat THE PALMETTO TATTERS HAVE A WONDERFUL VIDEO 12That's ok, Joy. None of the books show it the way I do it, either. With EITHER hand 07k IT SHOWS A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE TATTING THEY ALL DO THE MOTIONS DIFFERENTLY BUT THE TATTING LOOKS THE SAME PRETTY COOL, EH? Sorry to be late, and my first class too. I've had one heck of a time with getting set up. I started before 8pm. 12Palmettos has TWO people who tat like I do, though, so I feel better....I'm not weird after all. ;-) WHEN YOU DO THE FOLDEDJOIN IF YOU CAN T FOLD THE RING CLOSE ENOUH TRY TO PULL THE DS ALMOST OFF THE NEEDLE THAT WAY IT WILL HELP YOU DO THAT JOIN BETTER WELCOME TATTER 12ok, Katia, I"ll try that on the next one. PLEASE SIGN IN WITH YOUR NAME, YOUR LOCATION AND YOUR EMAIL ADDY 13did I miss joins AGAIN? 07k ANY OTHER QUESTION ON LAST WEEK LESSON ? NEEDLE AND SHUTTLE How do I do that? TYPE YOUR NAME 13Cynthia Stevenson, Stillwater, OK USA, brasthatfir#yahoo.com, needle and shuttle JUST IN THE SAME BOX THAT YOU TYPED "HOW DO I DO THAT" - LIKE CYNTHIA DID 13Hi sorry I'm late 13I still don't know how to add a thread in when my bobbin runs out. I have to tie a knot and work the ends in later 12Margaret< I think we only did the "regular" join last week. You've done them already, I think AND SHE'LL BE CHANGING HER NICK TOO I'M SURE, RIGHT CYNTHIA ? :) Sharon Fawns, Hillsboro Kentucky THANKS SHARON 12Hi Sharon TYPE /NICK (YOUR NAME) AND HIT ENTER .... DONT PUT THE ( ) IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT LESSON 2 04Welcome, Sharon DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER LESSON 3? 07k 13No it shiwed tatter as I signed in I still need to turn in the homework for lesson 2 12yes 04yes. 06k 07I am good on lesson 2. Yes, lesson 3 http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson3.html 02welcome Sharon, is this your very first time here? 06yes on lesson 3 07yes, lesson three is coming along have read it * Tatter381 is now known as Cynthia GREAT! MIMI THERE IS ONE MORE QUESTION ON LESSON 2 13Now I got it right OOPS SORRY MISSED IT 07Hello Cynthia. I received your e-mails today. MARGARET HAD A QUESTION ON ADDING THREAD I looked -- it's pretty! Yes, this if my first time here - hopefully now that I have figured it out it won't be my last. 02I tatted to the end of row 2 of the valentine heart Did the center for Round Robin and it behaved 12Sharon, see the words "change nick to" at the bottom right corner? 12type your name in teh white space under those words, then hit the enter key. 12That will change your name 06I did the doily center, the SCMR, and the candy cane (used 2 shuttles for that one) 07k 13Robert I can hardly wait until the 3rs Sat in Feb--there are other tatters in OK YAH MARGARET, THAT'S THE WAY I ADD THREAD TOO. DO YOU DO IT DIFFERENTLY KATIA? * Tatter is now known as StitchingSharon AFTER i TIE ON THE NEW THREAD, I TAT OVER THE TAILS GREAT WORK SHARON NO THAT THE WAY I ALSO DO IT I played with Jane's hippo and had lots of practice with lock joins. 02isn't there somewhere about taping thread onto the shuttle? 07I am glad you made contact. I am sorry about the wrong number. THAT'S FOR TATTING OVER THE TAILS MARGARET 12oh, cool, you did it Sharon! 07I knew it was old, I guess I should have told you. 02I don't know how to tat over HAAAA THAT MIMI 'S WAY TO TAT OVER TAIL AFTER YOU TIE THE KNOT 13Not a problem I just kept searching IF YOU LEAVE THE ENDS LONG YOU CAN TAPE/ATTACH ONE THREAD END TO YOUR SHUTTLE 12OH! That reminds me - HOW do you tat over the tail with the needle Katia? AND BY THAT MEANS, GET BOTH THAT THREAD END AND THE REGULAR THREAD INSIDE THE CORE OF THE NEXT ELEMENT 06k BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH ATTACHED TO THE SHUTTLE 02I am confused. Norm at Ayr tat day showed me something about using the crochet hook to pull ends in and up but I didn't remember it THEY BOTH FLIP THE KNOT TOGETHER AND WIND UP INSIDE 12I managed to DO it, but it felt like I needed 3 or 4 hands to do it. WITH THE NEEDLE YOU TAKE A HOOK AND PASS THE TAIL IN THE DS SO IT FOLLOW THE NEEDLE THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO TAT OVER TAILS TOO. SHE WAS LIKELY GUIDING THE THREAD END INTO THE INSIDE OF THE DS AFTER EACH HALF STITCH THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH SEWING IN THREAD ENDS LATER SOMETIMES IT'S MORE SECURE TO SEW RATHER THAN TAT OVER 07good deal. Well please e-mail info about their meetings and let me know how it goes. maybe I can make one this summer when I am in OK visiting family. 04:) DEPENDING UPON YOUR TENSION 13at first it does, Winkerbill SO I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT NOT GETTING IT YET - YOU WILL IN TIME IF YOU KEEP WATCHING OTHERS (MAYBE NEXT TAT DAY) I'm with Mimi on doing ends after the fact. I'm always so eager to get on with the pattern. 12One more question, then I think I will lurk for a while. THE WAY YOUR TAKING ABOUT MARGARET IS LIKE THIS 12Where are you working on the needle when you're tatting? Near the tip? the middle? or the eye end? 02my problem with Lily's way is that I can't see the crochet cotton #10 even with magnifying lens to tell what I am doing 07k 12You know, like when you knit you're workign close to the tips of the needles.... that jetta-surta link on lesson 3 isn't working for me Jen's Tatra Sutra here. 06k 13c 07k * Robert has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) WHEN YOU DO YOUR DS BETWEEN EACH HALF STITCH YOU PASS THE TAIL IN FRONT OF THE WORK AND ON THE OTHER ONE YOU PASS THE TAIL IN THE BACK me either , I'm a bit confused with lock join Seems like there was a problem with that link. Some quotes got tancked on the end of the link * Tatter has joined #tatchat 02neither did the round robin for beginners work for me NOW I CAN READ BACK SOME, AND SEE THAT NANCY DID THE HIPPO - GREAT JOB - AND JOY DID THE HOMEWORK PATTENRS. SUCH GOOD PRACTICE * Tatter is now known as Robert stupid machine 13Margaret try practicing with cotton yarn for a bit it will get easier with practice HEHE ROBERT ..... THAT MADE ME SMILE .... THANKS ;) 06wb robert 07what did I miss. I'LL CHECK THE LINKS AND COME BACK ACUALLY NOTHING 07good merci I have another general question say i have 3 picots in a row do i ds between them 02I tatted to the end of round 2 of the valentine heart in lesson 3. I can do lock joins now. even undid one I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE NEEDLE TATTER IN HERE HOW DO YOU DO THE LOCK JOIN ? 13great Margaret 13haven't tried yet... 12ummmm....I think I forgot. I have a question about picot size. 02Sona, a picot is just a space squished up against the ds around it. So yes you have to do at least 1 ds between eaach picot DID YOU STEPHANIE ? 12I did a lot of needle tatting that just used up-joins.... 07Thank yopu joy 06I think I throw it away and start over instead of trying to undo the lock join, Margaret. 12and I think I forgot how to do the lock join on the needle. http://www.geocities.com/tatrasutra/how2tat10.html is Jen's link 02hello, Stitching Sharon thanks Margaret, i thought so but thought maybe a half stich was right THE LOCK JOIN ISNT VERY DIFFERENT THE THE WAY SHUTTLE TATTER DOES IT OK THE LINK WORKS NOW, SHOULD BRING UP http://www.geocities.com/tatrasutra/how2tat10.html WHICH IS AN EXCELLENT ILLUSTRATION OF MAKING A LOCK JOIN thanks that link works YOU NEED TO PULL THE DS OFF THE NEEDLE SHAPE THE CHAIN AND DO THE JOIN WITH THE THREAD OF THE NEEDLE AND PAS THE NEEDLE IN THAT LOOP How do you judge how large to do the picots? Is there a guideline someplace? is shuttle join and lock join the same thing? 12oh....now i remember, I think... Sona - my question exactly! 02am I supposed to be able to make the links inside this chat page work while we are discussing? 12I knew it was using the needle thread, but forgot how to make it work. 06And downward join and upward join??? Yes, double click on links 07k SHUTTLE JOIN IS ANOTHER NAME FOR LOCK JOIN ok 07what about up and down joins? 04:) 02what about down and up joins SHARON THE SIZE OF THE PICOT VARIES DEPENDING ON WHO TAT AND HOW YOUR TENSION IS SO ITS DIFFICULT TO HAVE THE SAME SIZE ...THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULD DO A SWATCH BEFORE DOING A BIG PROJECT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO USE NEUTRAL NAMES FOR MANEUVERS SO AS NOT TO SEEM AS SHUTTLE ORIENTED AS i AM :) UP AND DOWN JOINS ARE A DIFFERENT SUBJECT THAN LOCK JOINS AND NOT COVERED IN THE CLASS AS STRUCTURED NOW I WILL FIND A LINK FOR YOU AND YOU CAN READ ABOUT IT 06Got it - thanks. MIMI EVEN WHEN I TEACH NEEDLE I CALL THE LOCK JOIN ... SHUTTLE JOIN OR NEDLE JOIN 07k 02swatches -- I thought those were only for crocheting and knitting -- you mean I have to do them in tatting too? YES MARGARET 07Thank you. 12We all need to know both names for the joins, because some patterns call them one thing and some call them the other thing. 02why? http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/joins/103joins.html IS AN EXCELLENT DISCUSSION OF UP/DOWN JOIN 06Swatching an weaving in ends are the banes of all needlework :) 13it is easier...You can make a picot gauge too and that can make them all even First I've heard of tatting swatches! I bought a set of Georgia Seitz's picot guages, and played with those, I get the idea, having all the picots same size, but can LET SAY A PATERN ASK FOR SIZE 10 THREAD AND YOU ONLY HAVE SIZE 40 THREAD .. THE SIZE OF THE PICOT WONT BE THE SAME oops! Can't decide on the right one. 13it is personal preference unless the pattern calls for a specific size 02what happens when the pattern doesn't indicate a size of thread? SO TO BE SURE THAT WHAT YOU LL BE DOING WILL LIE FLAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE PICOT YOU WILL USE ARE CORRECT FOR THE SIZE OF THREAD YOUR USING 07k k 02is the swatch only for picot size? * Tatter has joined #tatchat 13practice and trial/error are the ways I figure it out on a swatch 07welcome tatter * Tatter is now known as Sherree 02the size of the picot varies for more than aestetic value? 07hey sherree 13Hi Sherree Hi Hi Sherree HELLO SHEREE 04Hi, Sheree 13Yes, margaret 12yes Margaret. 02welcome Sherree 06I probably should have swatched before starting a cross pattern. I got partway through and decided that it would be too big, so I threw it away. YES MARGARET Sorry I'm late 12I tend to make very small picots, but sometimes things don't lay flat, and then I have to remember to make the joining picots bigger than I usually do. 02I haven't intentionally thrown anything out 13it could be used as a wall or chistmas ornament 06I get frustrated easily. 07k 12I have half a small trash can of ....umm....tatting rejects from the last 2 weeks. 13sometimes it is good to cut and toss I pull my shuttle so tight that my picots were disapearing 02one piece that I read the pattern wrongly, I was going to make into a pin for myself but it developed legs and walked awaay huh, I never thought of small picots keeping a piece from laying flat, maybe that's part of my problem ILL BE HONEST I HAVE MORE SWATCH THEN FINAL PROJECT IN THE HOUSE .... ITS ALSO A WAY TO SEE IF THE PATERN YOUR DOING WILL LOOK GOOD IN THE COLOR YOU HAVE IN HAND 12Diana, I was taught to hold the picot in the pinch I keep boo, boos to give away. Non tatters still think they are wonderful. I did 12oh.... 07k they still disapeared tho laster later* 12are you using really slick thread? 13 definately, Nancy Caro; not my boo boos..lol the cat like em though So it's just practice and practice and more practice. 06If I don't think I love it, I throw it away sometimes. I know - I'm brutal. no it was just me pulling the piece too tight 12If the boo-boo doesn't look funny I keep it. no more disapearing act when I figured it out 13unfortunately yes but you do get better and make fewer boo-boos 12If it's lumpy or doesn't look good, it's trash can material 12yeah, then you'll work on some new technique or learn to needle tat and make lots of booboos again. One of my tatting instructors gave me some of her boo, boos and I still keep them to study the stitches.. 02has anyone seen my first snowman? on the left in the one picture on my blog? 12I did. I DID 02if I knew when I completed it how terrible it really is, it would have been tossed I made 3 beautiful hearts with teeny tiny picots- they still look good tho I tend to be my own worst critic. WE ARE ALL SHARON ...BUT EVERYONE ELSELOVE WHAT WE DO 06It sounds so much worse when someone else says it, Margaret. It's NOT terrible! 07k You need to see what progress you've made over time. 13but, Margaret, we all live and learn. We're always our own worst critics 02the snowman on the right is the same pattern, just three projects later (and two snowmen) 13I save some boo-boos for comparison on how I've gotten better. 12Margaret, your tatting looks fine. For the first couple months when I was learning to tat, 12every day I cut my threads and threw that day's pieces in teh trash can. ;-) NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS HOW ARE THE FLOATING RING WORKING OUT ? ANY QUESTION 12Now THEY were terrible....tangled messes 06There are so few tatters in the world, I guess we should be proud of ourselves for making a stitch. 02what are floating rings? 12i'm ok with floating ring, but it would be easier with 2 needles. Oops, I missed floating rings 06Worked well for me - I'm happy to be able to do more of the patterns I have now. I don't remember who helped me on week one by sending me the link for the "flip" vidio- but THANK YOU whomever it was MARGARET YOUR TATTING WILL CHANGE DRAMATICALLY FOR IN THE NEXT YEAR... THEN EVERYTHING WILL GET INTO PLACE 13I can do them with the shuttle but not needle yet I would like to have some easy heart patterns to practice, and share in Valentines cards. 07k 04c OUPS SORRY FLOATING RING = RING OFF CHAIN 07My machine is still dragging. 02the heart in this lesson is pretty straight forward 12floating ring on needle you thread with the other thraed, make true rings, right? rings off chains? 12then put the other thread back and finish the chain? That video saved my sanity Diana, you are welcome 02ring off chain is tonight's lesson right? Oh, OK. That I did. 02I couldn't get that pattern link to work THAT IS RIGHT STEPHANIE ty ty ty Sona- yes you saved me :) 12;-) 07k 06k 13c 02the round robin for beginners would not come up for me 12OH! Katia! I wondered why you preferred true rings.....until I did an edging with variegated thread AND FOR THE SHUTTLE TATTER HOW ARE THOSE RING OFF CHAIN ...GOOD OR NOT SO GOOD? 12and used SCMRs for teh whole thing. I don't like the look of SCMRs as much as floating rings, you mean self closing rings , I'm confused 12I like the true rings! 02did not try them could not get link to work 12So now I know why you like them better! 12;-) NO SONA FLOATING RING = RING OFF CHAIN oh sorry ITS OK HOW ABOUT THE SHOE LACE TRICK ..ANY QUESTION ? I've done the floating rings - didn't realize that's what they were called. ITS ANOTHER NAME FOR THEM SHARON 12i'm ok with SLT 07ring off chains are going fine for me. 13it is so helpful--I couldn't believe I'd been twisting everything around and not figuring it out 02Mimi, Katia, why can I not get the round robin for beginners link to work on my computer? 06k 02I could not try the pattern as it would not come up on my screen 06slt was great - the candy cane was a lot of fun. 12brb phone TRY THIS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/roundrobin/newbiesroundrobin.html RR LINK WORKS FINE ON MY COMPUTER EVEN WHEN I TEST FROM LESSON 3 PAGE 02what exactly is the shoe lace trick? is it the same as described in the heart pattern as a single knot? 06I used size 10 thread with metallic in it. It will make a great little ornament. YES MARGARET 07i did not have time to try the GR-8 butterfly so I'll have to try the SCMR later but it looks feasible. YOU SHUTTLE TAT ROBERT RIGHT? 07yes, I shuttle tat YOU CAN DO IT ROBERT - I JUST SAW YOUR PICASSO PICS, GREAT WORK 02then I can do SLT MAKE SURE WHNE YOUR GOING TO DO THE SCMR TO LEAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR THE SUTTLE TO PASS IN THAT LOOP ... 07slt went fine on my heart. neat little trick. 02I read that page by the two guys-- confused me thoroughly 06It was easier to skip step one and just go by the pictures with the ball. 06For me anyway. 07Thank you Mimi. those are rings off chains but I think that I can SCMR as well. In my mind the SLT is just the first half of a knot me too I have done the SCMR butterfly. I too had trouble with the basic instructions. A diagram on Jane Eborall's page helped turn on that lightbulb 07I am also staring to count the picot as a double stitch. 06If I can do it, you can do it, Robert. IT IS NANCY BUT YOU ALSO SWITCH FROM ONE SHUTTLE TO ANOTHER AFTER YES NANCY YOU ARE CORRECT 02that round robin has a split ring -- have we covered those yet? 07If you look at my snowflake, you can see that I switched to this counting half way throug the project. I like the looks of it much better. IT HAS A SPLIT RING IF YOU ARE CLIMBING OUT TO THE NEXT ROUND - ONE NEED NOT YET - SPLIT RING NEXT LESSON 07Thanks joy. 12split ring is next week, right? or week after? IT'S PLANNED FOR LESSON 4 07You have two options ont he round robin, one with and one without slip rings. I am actually learning to LOVE split rings. I made a whole long chain of them just for fun.