Session Start: Thu Jan 17 18:07:28 2008 Session Ident: #tatchat * Now talking in #tatchat * Tatter619 is now known as Cathy how do i sign in 12hi Mimi! SONA TYPE YOUR FULL NAME , CITY STATE AND EMAIL * Tatter is now known as IsDihara 12wb Cathy WHAT A FULL HOUSE!! GOOD EVENING HELLO MIMI WE JUST STARTED THE SIGN IN 00Got kicked off. Good Evening Mimi Dillman, Snohomihs, WA USA ntrop@ix.netcom.com Hi all, I made it! (missed the meet and greet last week, so sorry!) k WELCOME ISDIHARA Sona Seun Athens Georgia SonaSeun@gmail.com yes I also missed the meet and greet- Inernet went down :( 04Katia, please send your email again 03I am a first timer. I also missed the meet and greet last week. 12Sona? Athens? 12We'll have to get together! 05Welcome Sona 06I missed last week too :( 12I'm in Athens (for a while) too! LADY_ELHASA@HOTMAIL.COM IsDihara (Karen Parent) Woodbridge, VA, isdihara@verizon.net yes athens, thanks Cynthia IS THERE ANY QUESTION ABOUT LAST WEEK LESSON ? 12Wow.... 12cool! small world huh? No 05yes but some of us don't have anyone nearby and it feels awfully big at times 12Right! and exciting! I sure heard that Cynthia 12I'll e-mail you later and maybe we can all hang out somewhere and tat for a while next week. SEND US EMAIL CYNTHIA WE ARE JUST A CLIC AWAY ;) 12well...2 or 3 of us. that would be fun * IsDihara has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) 05I know and I so appreciate these classes and a chance to chat with others 03Cynthia. my sister knows some tatters in Kingfisher. Tha is not far from Stillwater. 04:) FOR THE NEW COMERS PLEASE TYPE SOMETHING ONCE IN A WIL SO YOU DO GET DROP OUT 05About an hour away 03ok JUST OK OR .. OR SOMETHING TO KEEP YOUR ISP FROM THINKING YOU'RE DEAD :) ok k ok GOOD ONE MIMI 06That explains the k posts! Thanks. 03I wondered why people were dropping out. oh my isp always thinks I'm dead......... OK OK DO WE NEED TO DO A REFRSHER OF LAST WEEK FOR THE NEW ONES TONIGHT? please yes please 03Lesson 1? 03I am game for whatever. I am just glad to hear people talking about tatting. isn't this lesson 1 06Ditto what Robert said. 04c ITIS LESSON ONE BUT WE CAN TAKE A FEW MINUTE TO TALK ABOUT LAST WEEK LESSON * Tatter has joined #tatchat k EVERYONE CAN DO THERE DS? 05Robert what is your e-mail? Could you send your sis my e-mail so I can connect with someone in Kingfisher who tats, please 06yes * Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) * Tatter has joined #tatchat 03Yes, ds is good Yes. * Tatter is now known as IsDihara yes. 03my email is docfoster7 at gmail.com and I would glad to do that jst drop me a note. 03yes, I can ds. 05Thanks Robert, I appreciate it. DS is ok What did I miss? I ONLY ASK IF YOU COULD MAKE DS? * Tatter has joined #tatchat Yes Ds are good * Tatter is now known as Desiree I can ds yes, I can DS * IsDihara has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) PLEASE SIGN IN DESIREE 04c POOR KAREN NEEDS A SAFETY BELT TO STAY IN THE CLASS desireeadn@yahoo.com Snellville, GA 06ok SO LAST WEEK LESSON IS OK FOR EVERYONE .... SO LET START LESSON ONE IsDihara needs to fasten her seat belt. 03sounds great DOES ANYONE HAVE TORUBLE READING PATERN ? SO TRUE TATPAT1 06I think I'm ok with patterns. I did, now that I found out you do NOT count the picot k No I am ok SORRY FOR MY MIS STYPE ... BYT YOU GUYS WILL GET USE TO IT ;) 04o.k. 03I can read all of the ones from the lesson. I am not sure how some of things would look in tat sutra but . . . Yes basic patterns I can do. I don't know all of the symbols KATIA'S NATIVE LANGUAGE IS FRENCH - SHE DOES GREAT IN ENGLISH IMO * Tatter has joined #tatchat yes she does ok with patterns 03Just wondering if I'm desne though --- the butterfly pictures didn't seem to have the same number of picots and the written instructions. I'm getting it but it looks like 3 different ways of writing patterns * Tatter is now known as IsDihara DESIREE THE MORE YOU WILL WORK WITH PATERN THEMORE IT WILL GET EASIER Nancy, I thought the same about the butterfly and the dove.. I will try it again tho o.k. THERE'S ALMOST AS MANY WAYS OF WRITING PATTERNS ARE THERE ARE PATTERN WRITERS :-( BUT DO NOT DESPAIR Any idea why I keep getting kicked off? Do I need to change any setting? THERE'S ALSO DIAGRAMS AND PHOTOS TO HELP YOU FIGURE IT OUT * Tatter has joined #tatchat 03Looks like 3 picots in the picture and 4 picots in the printed instructions? k BESIDES, YOU MAY DECIDE YOU WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING ANYWAY! * Tatter is now known as Elizabeth IM NOT SURE WHY YOUR KICK OUT BUT TRY TO TYPE SOMETHING ONCE AND A WHILE 12Karen, type a letter on the keyboard (like K) every once in a while and you won't get kicked off quite as much.... * Tatter has joined #tatchat 12maybe.... 06Is it common to be able to look at a finished piece and be able to figure out the pattern? (After some experience). Thx! * Tatter is now known as Margaret 12Hi Margaret! K IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE BUTTERFLY PATTERN #1 IS THE CLOSEST MATCH TO THE PHOTOS, BUT NONE MATCH EXACTLY YES JOY WITH TIME YOU LL BE ABLE TO DO SO 03hey Margaret * Tatter has joined #tatchat * IsDihara has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) k 06Good to know - I have my grandmother's "sample book" with just finished swatches. No patterns. Hello to all, Hi, again Stephanie and Norma, Robert, you are new WE NEED SOME NEW BUTTERFLY PATTERNS KATIA - SHE WRITES THE PATTERN ONE WAY BUT STARTS ANOTHER. 03yes, i am new to the group. HELLO MARGARET ... YOU DID NT MISS MUCH 04c YOU HAVE TO START THE BUTTERFLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 2 BIG RINGS :-D I will be leaving at 10 pm when the phone rings Hello Margaret SO THAT WAY YOU END WITH THE THREADS AT THE ANTENNAE POSITION OK MIMI ILL TAKE SOME PICTURE OF THE PATERN 03Thanks Mimi. I just wanted to make sure I'm not crazy. Yes, Joy, I think experts can figure out a pattern by looking at a good close-up photo. for those who weren't here last week, I may have a new boyfriend and have arranged a call 06I understood the first part up to cl but I don't understand what "leave 1/2" of bare thread before starting the next ring " * Tatter027 has joined #tatchat 06means I wondered the same OK SO THE NEXT PART IS HOW TOMAKE A RING 05IsDihara--just put in a letter when your name gets near the top and you'll have better luck staying in. I changed my font color so it is easier to see when I get near the top k 04c * Tatter027 is now known as IsDihara 03i means to leave 1/2" of thread before you start the base of the next ring. 07k k :-) 06k k 12k k WHERE IS THAT DESIREE, WHICH PATTERN? k OK ITS THE EXERCISE PATTERN k 07I never noticed that and did it by accident when I was tatting a butterfly for the dentist's receptionist while I was waiting 06The exercise pattern ah, sorry :-( I'm lost, what are we talking about k DID EVERYONE TRIED IT ? 12oh....i didn't notice there was a 1/2 inch thread space between rings in that pattern. 12NO WONDER all my butterflies looked like a bad hair day. HOW TO MAKE RING LOL 07I didn't do that in the purpler variegated one in the homework displayed from early fall students k;-) NOT IN THE BUTTERFLY THERE IS NO SPACE OF THREAD oh :-X k haha bad hair day ... 04c 03Cynthia, i received your e-mail. I send it on to my sister later tonight. THIS IS A NEW EXERCISE, M ARGARET - WE ARE RE-WRITING LESSONS 05Thanks Robert k DID EVERYONE READ THE LESSON 1? 12oh...ok....then i DIDN'T miss something in that pattern. yes Yes I read lesson 1 04yes 12My butterflies are just wild by nature, then 06yes 12;-) 07I looked at the lesson. I learned in the bonus lesson how to have the lesson open and the chat room AT THE SAME TIME 12yes 05I missed it, but I'm following ok 03yes, I read lesson 1 and made a dove but not a butterfly. 06I tried and did the first ring but I got lost at that point 05Margaret how do I do that? * Tatter809 has joined #tatchat 06I tried but got lost at that point 03I thought the Exercise was just a string of 5 rings in a row (or is it 6?) k ON THE LESSON1 PAGE THERE IS A SMALL EXERCISE PATERN TO MAKE ONLY RINGS WITH A SPACE OF THREAD BETWEEN EACH * Tatter809 has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) * IsDihara has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) k 03i have made several butterflies int he past but hadn't seen the dove. k 03poor IsDihara k ITS 5 STRING OF RING SEPERATED BY A BARE THREAD 05Got it found my old patterns CAN EVERYONE MAKE THEM ? SHUTTLE AND NEEDLE TATTERS? 12yes 03yes. yes yes both 04yes 06yes yes 05Yes--both ways yes 03My doves' heads seem to slant to the left slightly. Is there a way to make the heads neater looking? 03string of rings, OK 05the tension is the key when you close the rign 03just wrench the neck straight! :) 05ring SONA AND DESIREE ARE YOU FOLLOWING? 06I think so 07Cynthia, go to file in the upper left corner of screen, click on it, menu drops down, select new window, then change address bar to angelfire.com/planet/newtattrs/lesson1.html 05it takes practice...little kids love the "funny ones" i think so, i did not make butterfly i made this though http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v60/ImagineIt/Sona/?action=view¤t=1.jpg 04k 07then it will show 2 internet in the bottom bar, click on that when you want to go back and forth between screens how do you get picots the same size? * Elizabeth has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 04c * Tatter851 has joined #tatchat WITH THE PICOT GAUGE * Tatter851 is now known as Elizabeth 06how do you get the picot gauge? picot gauge made out of a old gift card works wonders 06What do you use for a guage? 07k 12Wow, Sona, that's very nice! 06How big? 05I normally print out the lesson before but I'm out of ink---:( YOU CAN MAKE THEM OUT OF CARDBOARD OR PLASTIC EVEN BUY THEM FROM GEORGIA 04I made gauges out of template plastic. 03k a gauge huh, wow now that's a great idea 07I splurged at Ayr tat day and bought a set of mahogany ones from Georgia SOME EVEN USE OLD CREDIT CARD 04:) 03BTW Georgia Seitz' site seems to be down last night and today 12i've used (dry) spaghetti before.... 03nice job sona i bet a paper clip would work? 04I didn't know what sizes. so I made 1/2", 3/4 and 1 inch 05if using an old credit card be aware the raised letters change the size a tiny bit but if you always use the same spot it is ok 12some people use a paper clip GEORGIA SITE IS UP AT THIS MOMENT i am using a silver set of ribbon bodkins as picot gagues I made mine out of an old Wal-mart gift card and cut the different picot lengths in it like stair steps 06Good idea, Ellen. 07k 03excellent Idea ellen. * Tatter709 has joined #tatchat 03I have been eye balling mine but I guess i should make a gauge 12you can use plastic floss bobbins and cut them into a sort of "key" shape EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TO WORK WITH THE PICOT GAUGE? 12and make different size gauges that way.... 03the tatto idea sounded intesting in the lesson. 04Yes 05all the good ideas--WOW all the creative people 12and the hole in the bobbin means you can string them all together. YES STEPHAINE yes Yes 12yes 03Katia - Thanks for checking. Must be something going on with my computer then 03because I still can't get on. 06I can't picture how to hold a gauge without tangling up everything else. 06I saw the ones on Georgia's site but didn't know what thickness they were 05I always just "eye balled" the picots but now I use a gauge and it so much better GEORGIA DID WORK ON HE WEB SITE YESTERDAY I WORK WTH GEORGIA PICOT GAUGE ALOT AND I LOVE THEM 05Georgias gauges are awesome several sizes I love them 03My picots scream, "This was hand made." 04Katia, Just sent Stephanies pictures. GAUGE THICKNESS: CAN VARY. GEORGIA'S ARE LIKE A CREDIT CARD MAYBE 07I do not know how to work with a guage K CATHY I'VE USED KNITTING N EEDLES (DOUBLE POINTS) FOR GAUGES 04k PEOPLE GIVE ME THEIR BROKEN BAMBOO NEEDLES 05that can be good too, Robert, I do butterflies all free hand as butterflies are all different I EVEN USED A TOOTH PICK MAKES NICE ROUND PICOTS IF YOU LIKE THOSE KIND 12oh, good, thanks Cathy! COFFEE STIRRERS! 03Your picots must be WAAY smaller than mine SMALL THREAD 03bamboo skewers would probably work. TO WORK WITH THE GAUGE THEYRE IS 2 DIFFERENT WAY TO OLD THE GAUGE my son's fingers are so small that a regular picot is the width of his finger MAKE SURE WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S SMOOTH AND DOESN'T CATCH YOUR THREAD WHEN YOU PULL IT THROUGH THE PICOTS 04k 05:) 04c :P 03yes, how do you use a guage. 03? HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL 03So, if the pattern says 1/2 inch does that mean from thread up to top of loop vertically or horizontally along the threas? 03Ok I saw the pictures. MIMI CAN YOU TAKE IT OVER 2 SEC ... I NEED TO GET SOMETHING TO DRINK IM COUGHING ALOT OK FOR NANCY'S QUESTION, i'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PATTERN USUALLY IT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE PICOT I find my Susan BAtes bobin shuttle with hook tears up some of my thread when making picots 03OK, I just meant in general. Thanks * Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 06That's pretty Sonia! 05Both ways work but can be different 04k SOME BATES SHUTTLES HAVE SHARP EDGES YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THEM THE PRICE IS RIGHT, THOUGH so that would be 1/2" vertical or 1"horizontal??? 06k YOU CAN SUBSTITUTE USING A CROCHET HOOK INSTEAD ok thx 03k 03So, if the pattern says 1/2 " picot, you'd have to measure 1 full inch horizontally? its sad as I do like that style of shuttle OH THIS CAN BE SO CONFUSING!! FOR BATES SHUTTLE MAYBE SANDING THE EDGES TO SOFTEN? MEANTIM BACK TO GAUGES ANSWER IS YES FOR NANCY 03clover shuttles are priced well. 03Wow! That is useful info! Tahnks BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT - MEASURE HORIZONTALLY - DID YOU NOTICE THAT YOUR GAUGE IS PERPENDICULAR TO THE CORE THREAAD? 03without sharp edges 04k THAT'S CALLED VERTICAL 04c FOR THE GAUGE POSITION I MEAN SO WHEN YOU HOLD THE GAUGE VERTICALLY 05k AND POSITION THE THREAD ACROSS IT HORIZONTALLY i don't care if all my picots are exact, i just would like some consistent tension throughout the piece YOUR PICOT WILL BE 1/2 THE HEIGHT OF THE LENGTH MEASURED SONA, GOOD NEWS FOR YOU BACK 05that comes with practice...I know my joins are a mess too, 03Tention is matter of experience. i learned that knitting. MOST PATTERNS DO NOT SPECIFY THE HEIGHT OF THE PICOTS 04Practice, Sonya. I'm just getting there after 2 years of practice. SO YOU CAN USE A GUAGE YOU LIKE TO MAKE THEM THE HEIGHT YOU LIKE 03Sounds like I need to look back at the picot diagrams some more 06k OR LEARN TO EYEBALL IT 04k JOINS ARE ALSO A MATTER OF PRACTICE NOW I THINK ROBERT HAD A QUESTION TOO 03viva les eyeballs! 05Check Georgia Seitz's site for some good helps on joins yeah i figured it was an experience issue 03Should most if not all joining picots be smaller than others? NO IT WAS ELLEN - DID I ANSWER IT ELLEN ok i'll check out here site thanks yes 06So what ever you use as you picot gauge you double it or triple accordingly? I USE DIFFERENT SIZE GAUGES DESIREE NEVER TRIED DOING THE EQUIVALENT OF YARN OVERS IN TATTING - BUT WHAT AN INTERESTING IDEA! MIGHT HAVE TO TRY IT SOMETIME JOINING PICOTS ARE A MATTER OF CHOICE NANCY DEPENDING ON THE THREAD SIZE THE PICOT GAUGE WILL CHANGE 05sounds interesting PALMETTOS WILL TELL YOU YES I THINK 07k 04k BUT LOOK AT THE PHOTO - YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TELL IF THE JOINED ELEMENTS ARE VERY SNUG TO EACH OTHER, OR IF THEY'RE SEPARATED BY THREAD IF SNUG - MAKE JOINING PICOTS SMALL. IF SEPARATED, MAKE THEM BIG MAKE SENSE? 12a 06k 07k TO SOME POINT MIMI 03Yes, thanks 04c PLEASE CONTINUE KATIA 03I have trouble making a join when I trying to join back into a picot on the first ring of a doily. yes yes 05definately but it takes practice 03esp a small one. any suggestions? I had trouble with my picots I FOUND OUT WITH TIME THAT SOME PATERN WHO AS SPACE OF THREADFOR JOIN CAN BE DONT WITH SMALLER PICOT AND ARE BETTER LOOKING WHEN FINISH 04k the seem to shrink VERY TRUE KATIA 07Mimi, Katia, the picot gauge worked. I did 2ds - 2ds and it worked!! YAY MARGARET!!! 03yee haw GRATZ MARGARET :) 05Yay * Tatter has joined #tatchat 05 I knew you could do it SO WHAT I TELL MY STUDENT IS TO READ THERE PATERN AND REWRITE IT IN THERE OWN TERM MAKING SURE THAT THE PICOT THAT WILL BE JOIN ARE MARK SMALLER THEN THE THE OTHERS * Tatter has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) FOR ROBERT: WHAT CONFIGURATION WERE YOU IN WITH THAT DOILY? I MEAN, WERE THERE A LOT OF RINGS IN SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A FLOWER, RING BUTTS ALL TOGETHER? 07that was the vertical way. Georgia tried to quickly show me horizontal when you leave the stitches on the gauge as you go