Session Start: Wed May 09 17:53:10 2007 Session Ident: #tatchat * Now talking in #tatchat 05well, that's what they were bred for. * Tatter has joined #tatchat 05Hey Mimi! Hi BJ, Sara and Melissa Hi 10yup! Good mousers Hi Mimi Hey Mimi with all my practice I think my tatting has gotten a little less tight gonna lurk today again- so sorry! * Tatter is now known as lillian 10righ now I wish mine were looser; that knot won't give! LOL That's OK Lillian, but if you decide to join in you're welcome. 10I'm lurking until I conquer this last knot of the SR flower! I haven't attempted the SR with shuttle yet but with needle it's easy very easy on the needle And not too bad on the shuttle ... once you can get used to "not" flipping the knot! LOL 10Knot that hard with the shuttle - after one figures out the mechanics of not flipping! 05I learned to do the SR a long time ago, but I've pretty much forgotten it now,. * Tatter has joined #tatchat 05"Knot that hard" lol :D 05;) 10Isn't that annoying? Been there - yeah bad pun, Knot LOL * Tatter is now known as ukbrithoosier-s Hi Pat Hi So did anyone have a look at the regular on-line class' lesson for the week: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/edavisavsquare.html I know BJ did 05a little No sorry The only thing in that lesson we haven't seen yet in the Beginner's lesson is "alligator join" It's a cute ice cream cone. nope forgot to 05I saw that. 05Seems interesting The pattern write-up is pretty brief so it might be tough to follow at first 05I think I have the idea on how it's done when I saw the pic. 10That is what made me loose interest 05a little anyways. :P but remember it and come back later when you get more confident with tatting from a picture 10Can I ask a question about the split ring flower instructions? that's a pretty ice cream the kids would like that Might have to subtract a few picots to do one for a boy :) LOL ANYWAY IT'S THE TOP OF THE HOUR ON MAY 9TH. HOW ABOUT WE GET STARTED? PLEASE SIGN IN Mimi Dillman, ntrop@ix.netcom.com Snohomish, WA USA TONIGHT'S LESSON: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson4.html 10Beverly June Davis, Silver City NM USA beeloyal1@aol.com I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT LESSON #4? 05Sara Randall, Maine, sara_randall1@hotmail.com 10Can I plu eese ask my question? SURE BJ * Tatter has joined #tatchat Pat Scher,mikeandpm@onlyinternet.net Huntington, Indiana * Tatter is now known as Michelle HI MICHELLE, PLEASE SIGN IN AND REMIND ME IF YOU'RE A NEEDLE OR SHUTTLE TATTER? 10Ok. SP Flower instructions #9 Continue round the motif What step does one go back to? I guessed 10# 6 Michelle Hou, michellehou@gmail.com ,Taipei, Taiwan THAT'S CORRECT BJ 10Yeah! Won't have to reconstruct! Melissa Augusta GA USA honeybeesbliss@gmail.com TAIPEI, THAT'S THE FARTHEST FROM WHERE I AM (WASHINGTON STATE USA) BUT LILIANE IS FROM SEOUL AGAIN, TONIGHT'S LESSON IS http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson4.html DID ANYONE TRY A SPLIT RING WITH THE SHUTTLE? 10y 05I did a year ago. :p nope Yes HOW DID IT GO PAT? do I need 2 shuttles? YES YOU WILL MELISSA - 2 SHUTTLES LOL OK Lets just say it's a work in progress LOL I HOPE THE RING CLOSED? 10y THAT'S THE FIRST STEP - GETTING THE TENSION RIGHT COMES LATER. MY FAVORITE WAY TO SHUTTLE TAT A SPLIT RING IS WHAT IS CALLED -FOR LACK OF A BETTER TECHNICAL TERM- THE "DEAD SPIDER METHOD" 10I didn't realize the motif was going to turn out so small - not knowing what 4.5 cm was NAMELY, AFTER I TAT THE FIRST PORTION OF THE RING IN A NORMAL FASHION FLIPPING THE KNOTS The second time - but it still doesn't look right Am going to try some of the other instructions - there is something I'm not doing right I ROTATE MY LEFT HAND SO THAT THE PALM IS UP THEN ON THE THREAD THAT GOES FROM THE PINKY TO MY PINCH, I TIE LARKS HEAD KNOTS (LOOK LIKE DOUBLE STITCH BUT AREN'T FLIPPED) I did that and didn't flip the second half - I'll get it just have to practice. i'VE TRAINED MYSELF TO NOT FLIP THE KNOTS WHEN WORKING THAT SIDE IT BECOMES AUTOMATIC THIS METHOD IS DESCRIBED IN THE LESSON LINK TO http://www.picotnet.com/TatOnline/spring_instruction.htm THE ANN ORR METHOD IS ALSO WELL KNOWN BUT I GET TURNED AROUND WHEN I FLIP THE WORK OVER BLAME IT ON MY PEA BRAIN IT LOOKS TOO MUCH LIKE MY REGULAR WORK AND I FORGET TO NOT FLIP WHAT AN AWFUL SENTENCE I SHOULD SAY: I FLIP THE KNOT SO AUTOMATICALLY THAT i REALLY HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION WHAT DOES YOUR WORK LOOK LIKE, PAT? DO YOU HAVE 2 THREADS COMING OUT THE TOP OF YOUR RING WHEN YOU'RE DONE? THAT'S THE SIGN OF A SPLIT RING WHEN YOU DO THE 2ND HALF OF THE RING WITH NON FLIPPED STITCHES YOU USE SHUTTLE #2 Yes after all the trouble I had getting the flip down not flipping definately takes thought SO IT TATS UP TO MEET #1 WHEN YOU PULL ON #1 TO CLOSE THE RING TRY LEARNING SPLIT RING AFTER 10 YEARS FLIPPING THE KNOT :)) Yes 10y THEN I BELIEVE YOU'RE DOING THE WORK CORRECTLY THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER ABOUT THE 2ND HALF OF THE SPLIT RING IS THAT THE MOVEMENTS ARE OPPOSITE SO NOT ONLY DO YOU NOT FLIP, BUT YOU DO THE 2ND HALF FIRST THEN THE 1ST HALF 2ND BUT THE RESULT LOOKS THE SAME - 2 LEGS OF THE STITCH CONNECTED BY A CROSSBAR AT THE TOP Ahhh that might be where I'm going wrong!! 10so instead of under/over you go over/under? EXACTLY BJ 10thank goodness sigh THAT WAY IF YOU HAVE PICOTS ON BOTH SIDES, THEY WILL LOOK THE SAME I'm workin on it GOOD JOB MELISSA LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN CLOSE IT! * Tatter has joined #tatchat * Tatter is now known as GardeniaPatti Guess I didn't read the directions too well. HI PATTI, WE'RE GOING OVER SPLIT RINGS havnt started 2nd hlf Sorry I'm late. My appointment ran late. gotta read DON'T WORRY PAT SOMETIMES IT TAKES TIME WITH SO MUCH NEW GOING ON - DON'T FLIP, 2ND HALF FIRST, IT'S AMAZING IF YOU CAN CLOSE THE RING AT FIRST SPLIT RINGS ARE VERY HANDY THINGS TO MASTER THEY HAVE 2 FUNCTIONS 1) DECORATIVE SOMETIMES DESIGNERS NEED THE LOOK THAT SPLIT RINGS HAVE, GETTING THE THREADS TO EXIT THE RIGN SOMEWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN WHERE THEY ENTERED FOR INSTANCE, HERE: http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art5541.asp THE OUTER ROUND HAS JOIN-CHAIN-SPLITRING-CHAIN-JOIN IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THAT SAME EFFECT WITHOUT THE SPLIT RING 2) STRUCTURAL OR, BETTER TO SAY: FOR CLIMBING OUT FROM AN INNER ROUND TO THE NEXT ROUND IN CROCHET, IT'S REALLY EASY TO CLIMB OUT FROM ONE ROUND OT THE NEXT YOU JUST MAKE SOME CHAINS TO THE HEIGHT YOU NEED AND KEEP GOING IN TATTING YOU CAN CLIMB OUT TOO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT 10u rly see that work on this sr flower - the climbing out bit WOULDN'T WE ALL LOVE TO GET RID OF SOME OF THE ENDS TO SEW IN! EXACTLY BJ THE FLOWER HAS A SPLIT RING IN THE FIRST ROUND, TOO IT'S THE LAST 'PETAL' OF THE INNER FLOWER THE ADVANTAGE OF DOING THE LAST PETAL AS A SPLIT RING IS THAT THE 2 ENDS EXIT THAT PETAL FROM THE TOP INSTEAD OF BACK TO THE MIDDLE SO INSTEAD OF HAVING 2 ENDS TO SEW IN DOWN THERE, YOU CAN START WITH CONTINUOUS THREAD AND NOT HAVE ANY ENDS AT ALL BECAUSE THEY LEFT THE LAST PETAL IN JUST THE RIGHT POSITION TO MAKE THE FIRST CHAIN OF ROUND 2! PRETTY COOL, EH? 10the next problem I had to work thru was the downward join EVERYONE WITH ME SO FAR? 10y yep! Makes sense DOWNWARD JOIN IN THIS PATTERN IS A LOCK JOIN THAT IS, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN CALLING A LOCK JOIN OK I'LL KEEP GOING I think I'm ready to attempt closing THE OTHER THING THIS PATTERN HAS THAT I'D LIKE YOU TO PAY ATTENTION TO: HOW TO DO A JOIN WHEN YOU'RE WORKING THE 2ND HALF OF THE SPLIT RING (UNFLIPPED SIDE) * ukbrithoosier-s has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) IT'S A LITTLE BIT TRICKY BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO A LOCK JOIN AT THAT POINT LOCK JOINS ARE BULKY AND IT WON'T LOOK LIKE THE JOIN YOU MADE ON THE FIRST HALF OF THE RING INSTEAD, YOU PULL THE RING'S CORE THREAD THROUGH THE PICOT - YIKES! - Heheheeeeee it closed GREAT!!! 10yeah BUT my split side stitches are way larger * Tatter has joined #tatchat AND AFTER YOU PASS THE SHUTTLE THROUGH THE CORE THREAD LOOP - POP THE CORE THREAD BACK OUT * Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) * Tatter has joined #tatchat AND TIGHTEN UP THE SHUTTLE THREAD * Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatter) * Tatter has joined #tatchat UNTIL IT LOOKS LIKE THE JOIN ON THE OTHER SIDE * Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatter) WOW TATTER IS HAVING A TOUGH TIME!! THEN AFTER YOU'VE TIGHTENED IT UP, PULL THE CORE THREAD TO MAKE SURE IT STILL SLIDES. IT MUST STILL SLIDE AFTERWARDS OR YOU'LL BE VERY UNHAPPY:) AFTER YOU VERIFY SLIDING, YOU CAN MAKE THE NEXT 1/2 STITCH - THE 1ST HALF MOTION (UNDER) * Tatter has joined #tatchat DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MIGHT TAKE SOME ACTUAL DOING BEFORE IT DOES * Tatter is now known as ukbrithoosier-S THE OTHER PATTERN WE FOUND FOR YOU IS LILY'S STAR OF DAVID: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/lmball.html Sorry my server kicked me off IT'S GOT LOTS OF SPLIT RINGS ON THE OUTER ROUND. THE PATTERN METNIONS A SPLIT CHAIN JUST IGNORE THAT (UNLESS YOU WANT TO LEARN ONE!) AND FINISH THE ROUND IWTH A CHAIN THE SAME SIZE AS THE REST, TIE OFF AND CUT. tHEN YOU CAN REATTACH TO DO THE 2ND ROUND I'D DO A REGULAR RING FOR RING H, THEN CONTINUE WITH THE PATTERN. EVERYONE TATTING SPLIT RINGS? SO QUIET y Sorry just trying another SR 10i'm still picking out a knot That looks better, I think I've got it!!!! YIPPEE! BY GEORGE AND ALL THAT :) I HOPE YOU ALL KEEP WORKING ON SPLIT RINGS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO STAY WITH TATTING FROM ON-LINE PATTERNS, THEY'RE HARD TO AVOID BUT IF YOU ONLY WANT TO STAY WITH THE ANTIQUE PATTERNS YOU CAN AVOID THEM :) Sherry's butterfly uses split rings to make the body: http://myweb.cableone.net/ajpence/tattingpattern.htm YEAY 2nd one and it's better 10but they look really good in two colors! BUT I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK CLOSELY AT SOME OF THE ANTIQUE PATTERNS AND SEE WHERE YOU COULD USE A SPLIT RING AND SAVE YOURSELF SOME ENDS THE BUTTERFLY IS PRETTY THOSE SPLIT RINGS ARE THE DECORATIVE VARIETY - NEEDED FOR JUST THE RIGHT EFFECT * Tatter has joined #tatchat SPLIT RINGS MAKE GREAT INSECT BODIES :) SHERRY DID SOMETHING IN THE PATTERN WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED: MAKING PICOTS AND CUTTING THEM LATER babs brook HI BABS, WELCOME, WE'RE JUST FINISHING SPLIT RINGS ON THE SHUTTLE TONIGHT'S LESSON IS http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson4.html Hi, Sorry, I'm being a space cadet... * Tatter is now known as babs 2 COLORS ON SPLIT RINGS IS KIND OF COOL TOO - YOU GET HALF ONE COLOR AND HALF THE OTHER! ONE LAST THOUGHT ABOUT SPLIT RINGS THAT I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH: THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME # KNOTS ON EACH SIDE I wanted to ask about the two colors, do you use the SLT if you MOST TIMES THEY DO, BUT SOMETIMES ONE SIDE MIGHT BE SHORTER THAN ANTOHER IN THE PATTERN YOU'RE DOING. want the color to be the same in the ring JUST ANOTHER CASE OF NEEDING TO BE READING CAREFULLY IF YOU WANT THE SPLIT RINGS TO BE ALL ONE COLOR BOTH OF YOUR SHUTTLES MUST BE THE SAME COLOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT SPLIT RINGS BEFORE WE GO ON TO BEADING 101? Can I complain now?:0 The beading was the hardest thing I've done so far I'll do split rings anyday:) DO YOU NEEDLE OR SHUTTLE TAT BABS? I did these with the shuttle Makes me want to go back to my needle:) NEEDLE IS EASIER FOR SOME THINGS - SPLIT RINGS BEING ONE - BEADS BEING ANOTHER WHERE WAS THE DIFFICULTY FOR YOU WITH BEADS? miGHT HELP THE OTHER STUDETNS TO KNOW First off, the chain I'm use to just chaining and wasn't paying attention to the beads I also forgot to pull my beads forward for each section Learning to control the beads though that got A L A LOT easier the longer I did the project It was a bit monotonous to unwind the shuttle and then rewind the shuttle to get the beads ready for each section THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SOMETIMES BOTHERS ME TOO BUT THEN I REMIND MYSELF HOW PRETTY THE BEADS LOOK! I use a bobbin type shuttle BOBBIN TYPE SHUTTLE MAKES IT EASIER YOU CAN ROLL/UNROLL FASTER IS ANYONE HERE FAMILIAR WITH NINA LIBIN'S WORK? SHE USES *TONS* OF BEADS HER SHUTTLES ARE POST SHUTTLES AND - GASP - THE POINTS ARE OPEN - NO CLICKING! 10y I have her first book recommend it! 05Yeah! Ifinally made a decent SR! :-D yay sara! 10good for you! Yep, I think she deserves a spot in heaven right now! for patience 05lol YEAY I'M SO HAPPY SARA AND MELISSA MASTERED IT DURING THE LESSON Good on' Sara! 10slow old bev has to master off line - kudos gals http://www.beanile.com 05*doing the happy dancw* LOL THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE NINA'S WORK - MORE BEADS THAN TATTING BUT FOR NEWBIES LET'S START WITH SOMETHING LESS ENCRUSTED :) http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/beads.html 10oh goodie funny thing my normal tends to be tight and my split side tends to be loose! LOL AH, THAT'S A COMMON SPLIT RING DIFFICULTY it's got split personalities LOL REMEMBER, YOU'RE PULLING ON SHUTTLE ONE 10hearty laugter THAT WILL COMPRESS THE FIRST SIDE MORE THAN THE 2ND SIDE SO YOU MAY HAVE TO TIGHTEN SIDE #2 MANUALLY A BIT BEFORE CLOSING THE RING FIDDLE WITH IT AND SEE IF YOU CAN EVEN THINGS OUT not squished but tight tatting like the stitches themselves AH THERE'S THAT TOO BUT EVEN ONCE YOU GET THE TENSION RIGHT, THE 2ND SIDE TENDS TO BE LONGER ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S FARTHER FROM THE PULLING POINT I got tight tatting and loose tatting lol LOL SO JUST A WORD TO THE WISE BECUASE I KNOW YOU'LL BE TEHRE ANY MINUTE 10I push the non flip side back towards the flipped with my point The beanile site is neat. The first tatting I did was with just beads and invisible thread. GOOD IDEA BJ k WOW SOUNDS INTERESTING PATTI BEADS CAN GO JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE IN YOUR TATTING SOMETIMES SMALLER ONES ARE EASIER THAN BIGGER ONES SOME YOU'LL HAVE TO STRING ONTO THE TRHEAD BEFORE WINDING THE SHUTTLE OR THREADING YOUR NEEDLE 10So what's the best way to get them on the thread (TO GET THEM ON THE BALL THREAD, FOR NEEDLE TATTERS THAT IS) THERE'S MANY WAYS TO GET THEM ONTO YOUR THREAD IN ADVANCE I USE MY DENTAL FLOSS THREADER WHEN THE BEADS HAVE BIG ENOUGH HOLES (MOST DO) THE DENTAL FLOSS THREADER IS ACTUALLY A GOOD NEEDLE I've used beading needles. that's a good idea Mimi I've done a fine thread to get them on IT'S FAIRLY RIGID AND HAS A *BIG EYE* LOL I used a flexible beading needle by Darice BEADING NEEDLES ARE ALSO GREAT TO USE. SOMETIMES I HAVE TROUBLE GETTING MY TATTING THREAD THROUGH THE EYE 13I reopen the eye with my crochet hook every time I use it I FREUQNELY USE SIZE 20 AND IT'S JUST TOO BIG TO GET 2 THICKNESSES OF THREAD AND THE THREADER THROUGH THE EYE UNLESS IT'S TWISTED WIRE OR BIG EYE THAT'S A GOOD TIP BABS 10Sue H is making me one of her 'tools' for beadwrk TIP OF THE SHUTTL WORKS TOO WHICH TOOL SUE, PICOT BEADER? 13How do you do that? MY TATING SHUTTLES HAVE PICKS ON THEM, SO I CAN JUST WORK THAT IN 13For the bead join I used my sz 14 crochet hook 10I forget what it is called, it has a handle SIZE 14 IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CROCHET HOOK THAT WILL WORK WELL FOR BEADED TATTING. I HAVE 15 AND 16 TOO 10My Aero has a nook but I was afraid it would be too big to pull thread thru bead SUE IS VERY CLEVER. SHE HAS A NAME FOR THOSE BUT I FORGET IT TOO :) IT'S A NEEDLE PUT INTO THE HANDLE POINT-IN 13I think I was using sz 30 cordonnet DEPENDS ON THE BEAD, BJ. BUT MOST SEED BEADS AERO IS TOO BIG 10yeah, it's on her site 10that is what I figured SO BETWEEN YOUR FAVORITE BEADING NEEDLE AND YOUR FINE CROCHET HOOK YOU'LL BE IN BUSINESS (OH, AND BEADS TOO!) * Michelle has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) ONE OF THE MAIN RULES OF THUMB IS TO MAKE SURE TO NEVER START A RING (TRUE RING WHERE THE CORE TRHEAD IS LIKE A DRAWSTRING) WITHOUT COUNTING THE BEADS THAT YOU'LL NEED INSIDE THE RING REMEMBER, BEADS ON PICOTS COME FROM THE THREAD OVER YOUR LEFT HAND 10Ah I remember A Reverse Needle Tool - Sue H SO WHATEVER YOU'LL NEED ON YOUR PICTOS MUST BE ON THE RING THREAD BEFORE YOU MAKE EVEN ONE DOUBLE STITCH These are really great for threading beads too. You can find them at michaels: http://www.firemountaingems.com/details.asp?PN=H201038BS 10makes sense * Tatter has joined #tatchat * Tatter is now known as Michelle BIG EYE NEEDLES ARE GREAT GOOD PATTERNS WILL TELL YOU HOW MANY BEADS ARE NEEDED INSIDE THE RING BUT SOMETIMES THE WRITER ASSUMES THAT YOU KNOW HOW TO COUNT FOR IT SO READ/PLAN CAREFULLY BEADING CAN BE GREAT FUN wow that's a nice needle I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY THE PATTERS THAT SHARON CONTRIBUTED TO THE LESSON ARE PRETTY AND NOT TOO DIFFICULT 10I'm going to try Sharon Brigg's earrings THE RAINBOW IS SO PRETTY I'VE ALWAYS LIKED IT 10Well, there is Zena's earrings, too. 10are not is 05Question about SRs. BTW IF YOU LIKE SHARON'S DIAGRAMS, SHE HAS MORE PATTERNS ON HER WEBSITE AND PUBLISHES A QUARTERLY NEWSLETTER: 05Can you incorporate a SR in a vintage pattern? 10like some place one would normally cut and tie? 05yes http://www.gagechek.com/slb/index.html - YOU MAY RECOGNIZE HER VIDEOS TOO :0 YES YOU CAN SARA 05I love the old patterns, but I HATE dealing with the ends. :p IT'S EASIEST IN PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE RINGS POINTING OUTWARD TO THE NEXT ROUND SOMETIMES YOU'LL HAVE ANOTEHR SPLIT RING TO DO AFTER THE FIRST, THOUGH ONE TO GET OUT OF THE CURRENT ROUND, AND ONE TO GET YOU INTOT HE PROPER POSITION WITHIN THE 2ND ROUND I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT WHEN CLIMBING OUT FROM ONE ROUND TO THE NEXT YOU WILL NEED TO LEAVE A MOCK PICOT 10which is? A MOCK PICOT IS 2 LENGHTS OF THREAD NEXT TO EACH OTHER THAT CAME FROM DIFFERENT SHUTTLES BUT LOOK LIKE A PICOT 10do you mean like a space of threads? EXACTLY BJ 10thank you LEAVE THEM THE SAME LENGTH AS THE OTEHR PICOTS IN THE ROUND AND THAT WAY IT WILL BE LESS OBVIOUS WHERE YOU CLIMBED OUT BECAUSE THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME! BUT WHEN YOU GO FROM A SPLIT RING TO A CHAIN YOU WILL HAVE TO ADD A STEP TO KEEP THE MOCK PICOT FROM PULLING UP IT'S CALLED A LOCK STITCH YOU'LL FLIP THE 1ST HALF OF THE STITCH BUT NOT FLIP THE 2ND HALF THAT WILL LOCK YOUR MOCK PICOT IN PLACE SO THAT WHEN YOU TENSION THE FOLLOWING CHAIN THE MOCK PICOT DOES NOT CHANGE SIZE 10see, i learned something new tonite! YOU COUNT THAT LOCK STITCH AS 1 DS did I need to do that in the rosette pattern? I kept loosing my mock picot I DONT'T THINK SO MELISSA OR DOES THAT ONE CALL FOR MOCK PICOTS?? 10yes it does the base ring and then you start chains from it IF SO, HTEN YES YOU WILL NEED TO FOLLOW THE MOCK PICOT WITH A LOCK STITCH TO PRESERVE IT SINCE THE NEXT ELEMENT IS A CHAIN SORRY AGING BRAIN FORGOT :) ahhhhhh 13I was working with another pattern and I think I kept using alternate that would be why I had to fish the picot out LOL LOL 13shuttles to do the many split rings. Is that okay? THEY WERE PROBABLY 1 LEGGED PICOTS 10I did the same thing, the first time - lol INTERESTING BABS. DID YOU REVERSE WORK AFTER YOUR SPLIT RINGS? IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO REVERSE WORK AFTER A SPLIT RING AT LEAST NOT IN MOST CASES * Tatter has joined #tatchat IN ANY CASE, IT'S GETTING LATE 13I'm suppose to paying attention to reversing my work?:) I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING IN THESE BEGINNERS CLASSES http://honeybeesbliss.blogspot.com/2007/05/lots-of-shuttle-tatting.html I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO JOIN GEORGIA'S MONDAY CLASSES Thank you! These were a lot of fun! * Tatter is now known as Katia 10thank you - I finally got all those knots out! night everyone HI KATIA LOL Thanks Mimi, You've been a big help HER CLASSES ARE RUN LIKE THESE 10Oh Hi Katia LESSONS ARE PUBLISHED A FEW DAYS BEFORE CLASS 13Thank you for doing this classes ah I'll try Hello everyone TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO READ OVER AND WORK THE PATTERN AND FORMULATE QUESTIONS THEY START AT 8:30 EASTERN TIME wow there alot of people tonight BECAUSE SHE CAN GET TOT HE COMPUTER AT A BETTER TIME :) SHE ALLOWS FOR SOME OPEN CHAT THEN GETS DOWN TO BUSINESS I'm usually busy on Mondays, but I've been looking at the chat the day after. 10I usually read the morning log before the evening class! lol THAT'S FINE YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG AFTER how was class tonight Mimi THE MAIN THING IS DON'T BE DCISCOURAGED IF SOME TECHNIQUES ARE DISCUSSED THAT YOU DON'T KNOW YET YOU HAVE A GOOD BASIS RIGHT NOW I don't really get where to put the lock join for the rosette though 10and it is getting better SO YOU CAN CATCH ON TO NEW TECHNIQUES IN HER CLASS IF YOU LIKE THE PATTERN SHE'S INTRODUCING CLASS TONIGHT WAS GREAT KATIA