Session Start: Wed Apr 18 17:53:02 2007
Session Ident: #tatchat
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<Mimi> Hello Patti!
<gardeniapatti> Hi Mimi!
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<Mimi> I got busy this week and forgot to send a reminder. I'm glad so many folks remembered after all!
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<Mimi> That's Pat again, right? 
<Mimi> So we have one unknown still... Tatter = ?
<ukbrithoosier> Hi Mimi, Yes it's Pat
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<Katia> sorry just got in DH logged me
<Katia> Good evening everyone
<Mimi> Hi Katia, thanks for coming
<ukbrithoosier> Hi Katia - I had trouble getting in tonight  - but finally got in!
<Mimi> More T-storms?>
<ukbrithoosier> Not for me - just a tempremental computer
<Mimi> LOL what computer isn't
<Katia> Mimi was there any needle tatter last week?
<Mimi> GardeniaPatti
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<Mimi> But she might try shuttle too, she said
<gardeniapatti> Yep, I'm using needle.
<gardeniapatti> I'm going to wait a bit on the shuttle.
<Katia> Oh .... so i need to go read tonight class since i might have some wotk to do ;)
<Mimi> Pat - ukbrithoosier - will be doing shuttle she said
<Mimi> OK IT'S THE TOP OF THE HOUR, HOW ABOUT WE START CLASS?
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<Mimi> PLEASE SIGN IN
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<Mimi> Mimi Dillman, Snohomish, WA ntrop@ix.netcom.com
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<Mimi> TONIGHT'S LESSON IS LESSON 1: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson1.html
<gardeniapatti> Patti Jones, Columbus, OH, patti111@yahoo.com
<Katia> sorr cat jumped on the keyboad
<Tatter> Joan will be useing Shuttel
<Katia> Katia Vallée Sherbrooke, Québec, Canada, lady_elhasa@hotmail.com
<ukbrithoosier> Pat Scher, Huntington, IN mikeandpm@onlyinternet.net
<Mimi> Hi Joan, have you learned how to change your name in the little "nick" box?
<Mimi> To change it from "Tatter" to "Joan" or your favorite screen name?
<Tatter> Jc
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<Mimi> EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE LESSON EITHER PRINTED OUT OR ON SCREEN
<Mimi> POOR KATIA'S KITTY NEEDS SOME DISCIPLINE :)
<Mimi> TO CHANGE YOUR NICK, YOU WILL NEED TO POINT YOUR CURSOR ON THE WHITE BOX BELOW "NICK" AND TYPE IN YOUR NAME
<Mimi> THEN PRESS ENTER
<Mimi> YOUR NAME SHOULD CHANGE FROM "TATTER" TO WHAT YOU TYPED
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<Mimi> HI KATIA, DID YOU THROW OUT THE CAT?
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<Katia> yes i just did
<Mimi> LOL
<Mimi> DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO READ OVER THE LESSON?
<gardeniapatti> yes.
<ukbrithoosier> Yes, 
<Mimi> GREAT! THERE'S A LOT OF NEW TERMINOLOGY IN THERE
<Mimi> AFTER ALL, TATTING IS NEW TO YOU YET
<Mimi> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON SUPPLIES? I THINK YOU WERE ALL WELL OUTFITTED ALREADY?
<Mimi> THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT YOU CAN START TATTING ON VERY LITTLE INVESTMENT COMPARED TO MOST CRAFTS
<Mimi> FOR THE MOST PART THE TOOLS AND WORK ARE VERY PORTABLE
<ukbrithoosier> The only thing I don't have are picot guages
<Mimi> UNLESS YOU'RE LIKE MY FRIEND WHO ONLY WANTS TO TAT TABLECLOTHS! (SHE'S AMBITIOUS)
<Katia> you can make your picot gauge out of cardbiard or old plastic card
<Mimi> EXACTLY KATIA
<Mimi> I'VE ALSO BEEN KNOWN TO USE YOGURT LIDS OR SIMILAR
<Mimi> THE MAIN THING IS YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CUT THEM REASONABLY WELL 
<ukbrithoosier> It was just something I didn't get done, sorry.
<Mimi> AND KEEP THE SIDES RELATIVELY THE SAME DISTANCE APART
<Katia> well i get my dh to make mine out of plexiglass
<Mimi> THAT'S COOL! PLEXIGLASS!
<Mimi> NO WORRIES PAT YOU CAN MAKE THEM LATER. HOPEFULLY LATER IN THE LESSON WE CAN MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE THEM.
<Mimi> FIRST LET ME GET BACK IN THE SEQUENCE OF HTE LESSON SO I DON'T LEAVE ANYTHING OUT
<ukbrithoosier> OK, thanks
<Mimi> NEXT DISCUSSION IN THE LESSON IS ABOUT MAKING CHAINS
<Mimi> IS EVERYONE FAMILIAR WITH HOW TO MAKE A CHAIN?
<ukbrithoosier> Yes
<gardeniapatti> I am.
<Mimi> SORRY ACTUALLY I SHOULD HAVE ASKED ABOUT DOUBLE STITCH OR DS FIRST
<Mimi> IF YOU CAN CHAIN YOU CAN MAKE A DS
<Mimi> JOAN, HOW ABOUT YOU, AM I TALKING GREEK YET?
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<Katia> are your dure about that part mimi ?
<Katia> oups dure = sure
<Mimi> WELL, FOR THE MOST PART... THERE COULD BE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T FLIP THE KNOT YET MAKES A CHAIN
<Mimi> IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT?
<Katia> yes
<Mimi> WELCOME TATTER290 PLEASE SIGN IN
<Tatter290> Hi-Sorry I'm late.  Beverly Davis Silver City NM beeloyal1@aol.com
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<Mimi> HI BJ
<Katia> Bj good evening 
<BJ> Hey!
<BJ> Hello All...
<ukbrithoosier> Hi BJ
<Mimi> ANYWAY, FLIPPED DOUBLE STITCHES THEN, CAN EVERYONE MAKE THOSE?
<BJ> y
<gardeniapatti> yep
<ukbrithoosier> I can - most of the time. Am good at undoing!!!
<Mimi> DID WE LOSE JOAN? 
<Mimi> RETROTATTING ALREADY, GOOD JOB
<Mimi> (RETROTATTING = INTERNET SLANG FOR UNDOING)
<Tatter> no i am here
<Mimi> HOW'S YOUR SKILL LEVEL JOAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESITONS ABOUT FLIPPING THE KNOT FOR DOUBLE STITCHES?
<Tatter> no
<Katia> mimi i need to apologize before we start im in the teasing mood tonight so dont mind me ;)
<Mimi> OK THEN I'LL GO ON
<Mimi> THE LESSON ALSO INTRODUCES THE IDEA OF SCMR.
<Mimi> SCMR = SELF CLOSING MOCK RING
<Mimi> IT HAD TO GET A FANCY NAME FOR US CLUELESS SHUTTLE TATTERS
<Mimi> IT'S ACTALLY THE WAY NEEDLE TATTERS MAKE RINGS!
<Mimi> BUT SHUTTLE TATTERS CNA DO IT THEMSELVES TOO IF THEY LIKE.
<gardeniapatti> It's the only way I know to make rings.. Is there another way?
<Mimi> ACTUALLY, PATTI, THERE IS
<Katia> not all needle tatter do there ring like that some do the true ring methode
<Mimi> THAT'S IN LESSON 2
<Mimi> WE MIGTH GET THERE TONIGHT IF WE SPEED THROUGH THIS
<gardeniapatti> Cool! That's one thing I wanted to see.
<Mimi> THE SCMR IS A CHAIN
<Mimi> CORE THREAD = THREAD INSIDE THE CHAIN THAT THE DS'S ARE KNOTTED AROUND
<Mimi> CORE THREAD COMES FROM THE SHUTTLE
<Katia> for the needle the core thread is on the needle
<Mimi> THE WAY IT GETS MADE TO LOOK LIKE A RING IS BY PASSING THE SHUTTLE THROUGH A LOOP OF CORE THREAD
<Mimi> THAT HAS BEEN LEFT HANGING OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CHAIN
<Mimi> IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GET WHEN YOU'RE A BEGINNING SHUTTLE TATTER
<BJ> That is the part that messes me up!
<Mimi> SO IF YOU ALREADY KNOW HOW TO MAKE A RING WITH THE SHUTTLE THE REGULAR WAY
<Mimi> THEN I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT GETTING THE SCMR RIGHT NOW
<ukbrithoosier> I learned the traditional ring but tried the SCMR and thought my stitches looked neater.
<BJ> 12ok I'm fine with making rings
<Mimi> LEAVING THE THREAD CAN BE EASY IF YOU EITHER A) HANG A PAPERCLIP OVER OR B) LOOP IT AROUND YOUR LH PINKY BEFORE STARTING YOUR FIRST DS
<BJ> 12I forget to leave the thread loop to go back through....duhhhh
<Mimi> INTERESTING PAT
<Mimi> ACTUALLY BJ AS LONG AS IT'S NOT TOO LONG OF A CHAIN 
<Mimi> YOU CAN PROBABLY REACH INSIDE AND PULL THE CORE THREAD OUT TO WHERE YOU CAN PASS THE SHUTTLE AND RE-TENSION
<Mimi> PAT I'M ALSO IMPRESSED THAT YOU HAVE SCMR ALREADY!
<Katia> pat some people find it easier to keet there tatting tension equal on a chain then on the ring since they can see the ds on a sraight line
<BJ> 12ummmm will give that a try.  I did do one successfully for class.
<Mimi> HI JOAN, STILL THERE? (CAN YOU TELL I LIKE TO HEAR FROM STUDENTS :))
<Mimi> CAN YOU MAKE A RING YET OR DID YOU TRY THE SCMR?
<Tatter> yes
<ukbrithoosier> I wouldn't say I have it down but that first one wasn't bad once I remembered to  pull the shuttle through the loop !
<Mimi> LOL
<BJ> 12AMEN
<Tatter> I can
<Mimi> THANKS JOAN! i'LL CONTINUE ON THEN
<Mimi> NEXT IS THE PICOT, USUALLY ABBREVIATED "P" (HELPFULLY THE SAME IN FRENCH TOO :))
<Mimi> CAN EVERYONE MAKE A PICOT?
<Katia> well ya its the same name in frnch ;)
<Tatter> yes
<BJ> 12y
<ukbrithoosier> Yes
<gardeniapatti> yep
<Mimi> COOL!
<Mimi> NOW... PICOT GAUGES
<Mimi> DID ANYONE TRY MAKING AND/OR USING ONE?
<gardeniapatti> not yet.
<BJ> 12I have a set of Georgia's and have used them.  Took a bit to get used to them.
<Mimi> IT DOES TAKE AWHILE TO GET USED TO USING THEM - 
<Mimi> IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT YOU'RE JUGGLING A SHUTTLE OR NEEDLE AND 
<Mimi> THE BALL AND ...
<Mimi> MAYBE A CROCHET HOOK
<gardeniapatti> How do you get them small enough for finer thread?
<Mimi> NOW I WANT YOU TO JUGGLE A GAUGE TOO??! 
<Mimi> FOR FINE THREADS I GET OUT MY STEEL KNITTING NEEDLES OR TAPESTRY NEEDLE
<ukbrithoosier> If you make them is there a standard length for the different size picots?
<BJ> 12Mine are in a set of different sizes.
<Katia> they can vary in size to fit for your work / thread size 
<Mimi> KATIA IS EXACTLY RIGHT
<ukbrithoosier> OK, thanks
<gardeniapatti> That makes sense. I have LOTS of needle around here.
<BJ> 12I mostly use mine Horizontally - 
<Mimi> I THINK GEORGIA SEITZ'S SET AND ALSO THE ONES SOLD IN AMERICA ARE IN 1/8" INCREMENTS
<BJ> 12yes
<Mimi> NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULDB E GOOD FOR METRIC... MAYBE 2MM INCREMENTS?
<Mimi> BUT YOU DON'T NEED EACH ONE
<Katia> Exactly Mimi
<Mimi> BECUASE YOU CAN USE THEM HORIZONTALLY OR VERTICALLY
<BJ> 12and I like the smooth wood...
<Mimi> THE SMOOTHER THE BETTER FOR GAUGES FOR WHEN YOU HAVE TO SLIDE THEM OUT
<Mimi> THE LESSON SHOWS A PICOT GAUGE USED IN THE 2 DIFFERENT WAYS
<gardeniapatti> What is that one made out of?
<Mimi> IN THE FIRST ONE, THE THREAD OVER YOUR HAND (NOT THE SHUTTLE THREAD) IS PASSED ALL THE WAY OVER THE GAUGE FROM FRONT TO BACK BEFORE MAKING A DS
<Mimi> GOOD QUESTION... SOME PLASTIC I THINK (GEORGIA'S SUPPLIED THE PHOTOS)
<Mimi> THAT'S THE HORIZONTAL METHOD - GAUGE HELD LONG WAY HORIZONTAL AND RESULTING PICOT IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE GAUGE
<Katia> i found that usuing the hrizontal way for needle tatters is kind of awkward 
<Mimi> OR ALSO THINK OF IT AS PARALLEL TO THE DIRECTION OF THE WORK
<Mimi> COULD BE, KATIA
<Mimi> BUT SO NICE WHEN SHUTTLE TATTING AND YOU HAVE TONS OF PICOTS TO MAKE CLOSE TOGETHER ALL AT ONCE
<Mimi> YOU CAN LEAVE THE GAUGE IN PLACE EACH TIME 
<Mimi> NO NEED TO REMOVE
<Katia> sorry for my type guys been teaching tatting all afternoon in frnech so my english is kind os rusty
<Mimi> BUT DIFFICULT TO CAST ON STITCHES TO THE NEEDLE WHEN THE GAUGE IS IN THE WAY
<Mimi> THEN THERE'S THE VERTICALLY-HELD GAUGE
<Mimi> WHERE YOU PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE DS YOU JUST MADE 
<Mimi> THEN MAKE THE NEXT DS SNUG ON THE OTHER SIDE
<Mimi> THE RESULTING PICOT IS 1/2 THE WIDTH OF THE GAUGE ONCE YOU SLIDE IT UP
<Mimi> SLID UP THE STITCHES I MEAN (AND WHO'S HAVING TROUBLE WITH ENGLISH NOW...!)
<ukbrithoosier> Looks like that would be easier 
<Mimi> FOR NEEDLE, VERTICAL IS EASIEST
<Mimi> KIND OF FUSSY TO PULL IT OUT EVERY TIME
<Mimi> BUT I'VE WATCHED DIANNA STEVENS DO IT AND SHE GETS A RYTHYM
<Katia> the thing that people need to remember is when they use the vertical all picot will be half heigth
<Mimi> SO IT'S JUST FINE
<Mimi> RIGHT KATIA, SO FOR VERTICAL YOU MUST MAKE THE GAUGE WIDTH BE TWICE THE INTENDED HEIGHT OF THE PICOT 
<Mimi> JEEPERS THAT'S CONVOLUTED
<Mimi> BUT IS IT MAKING SENSE TO EVERYONE?
<BJ> 12y
<gardeniapatti> yes
<ukbrithoosier> Yes
<Tatter> yes
<Katia> any question ?
<Mimi> GAUGES ARE NOT REQUIRED EITHER, BUT IF YOU'RE AT ALL "EXACT" ABOUT WHAT YOU DO, THEY DO HELP YOU GET YOUR SIZING CORRECT
<Mimi> NOW... DID ANYONE TRY READING THE PATTERN?
<Mimi> THE DOVE IS KIND OF CUTE
<ukbrithoosier> Which one?
<Mimi> SORRY, THE DOVE IS THE FIRST ONE MENTIONED
<ukbrithoosier> Yes, that's cute
<gardeniapatti> The dove is cute.
<Mimi> I'M ALWAYS AMAZED THAT WITH A LITTLE ALTERATION IN PICOT SIZE/PLACEMENT, A RING OR TWO CAN BE MADE TO LOOK LIKE A GREAT MANY THINGS!
<BJ> 12I'm doing the butterfly this time - did dove last time.  
<Mimi> READING PATTERNS IS AN ART
<Mimi> THERE IS NO STANDARD OUT THERE RIGHT NOW
<Mimi> BUT YOU'LL FIND ONCE YOU GET MORE EXPERIENCE
<gardeniapatti> I've noticed!
<BJ> 12I have trouble with the diagramed - 
<Mimi> THAT YOU'LL START TO GET THE SENSE OF WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY... PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S A PHOTO OR DIAGRAM
<Mimi> SOMETIMES DIAGRAMS CAN BE DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW
<Mimi> BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY
<BJ> 12unless they have some directions or a good picture.  The hardest part for me is figuring out where to begin!
<Mimi> THAT WILL COME WITH PRACTICE TOO.
<BJ> 12good
<Mimi> AFTER A FEW TRIES OF STARTING SOMEWHERE AND GETTING BOXED IN, YOU WON'T START ANOTHER PATTERN THAT WAY, I PROMISE YOU :)
<Katia> to help you read patern you can try ti rewrite the partern your making in your own term/word 
<Mimi> GOOD POINT KATIA THAT WAY YOU DON'T WASTE THE THREAD 
<BJ> 12oh LOL
<Katia> this will help you understand how the patern work 
<Mimi> THE OTHER RINGS-ONLY PATTERN IS SUZANNE'S 4-RING BUTTERFLY
<Mimi> http://www15.brinkster.com/lyricalarmy/Butterflies/butterfl.htm
<Mimi> sHE PUT THE PHOTOS ON THE FRONT PAGE, CLICK THE LINK TO THE WORD-PATTERNS (WHEW)
<Mimi> FOR EACH, SHE STARTS ON A BIG RING
<Mimi> THAT WAY, HER THREAD END IS IN JUST THE RIGHT PLACE TO BE ONE OF THE ANTENNAE
<Mimi> AND THE END FROM THE LAST RING WILL BE THE OTHER ANTENNA
<Mimi> HOW'S THAT FOR CLEVER?
<BJ> 12at least a star for thinking ahead to the end
<Mimi> THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF STATEGIZING WHERE TO START
<Mimi> ANY QUESTIONS ON EITHER THE DOVE OR THE BUTTERFLIES?
<Mimi> THEY LOOK GREAT ON STATIONERY
<Mimi> AND SCRAPBOOK PAGES
<Katia> and small give away 
<Mimi> OK, LAST PATTERN IS THE AWARENESS RIBBON
<Mimi> IT'S BY LENORE ENGLISH
<Mimi> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/6896/aribbon2.html
<BJ> 12I've made 10 so far for my "Cancer" project!
<Mimi> THIS ONE IS A RINGS AND CHAINS PATTERN
<Mimi> GOOD JOB BJ!
<Mimi> THEY ARE VERY USEFUL AS A LESSON, AND MAKE GREAT GIFTS TOO
<Mimi> SOMETIMES IT'S HARD FINDING THE RIGHT COLOR THREAD THAT YOU WANT FOR THE APPROPRIATE SUBJECT
<Mimi> BUT THE MAIN THING ABOUT THE PATTERN
<Mimi> IS ANOTHER CLEVER STRATEGY BY THE DESIGNER
<Mimi> IF YOU'VE MADE MANY RINGS AND CHAINS
<Mimi> YOU KNOT THAT WHEN YOU MAKE THE RIGNS ALL THE SAME SIZE 
<Mimi> AND THE CHAINS ALL THE SAME LENGTH
<Mimi> YOU COME OUT WITH A STRAIGHT EDGING
<Mimi> SO HOW DID LENORE GET HERS TO LIE FLAT BUT MAKE THAT LOVELY CURVE?
<BJ> 12Well for one thing, in the middle she left out picots on rings
<Katia> she change the size of the chain
<gardeniapatti> I'm working on one now. Is there a way to join the parts, or do you just use glue when your done?
<Mimi> DID SHE BJ? ALL RINGS HAVE 3 PICOTS
<ukbrithoosier> I have a time with the chains -  if it has a picot in the middle my three DS before the picot always end up looking a shirter length than those after. 
<ukbrithoosier> Sorry shorter!
<Mimi> GLUE OR SEW IS BEST - BUT YOU CAN JOIN THEM (LATER LESSON ON JOINS)
<BJ> 12yes the rings do have 3
<Mimi> KATIA WAS RIGHT, THE CHAINS GET SHORTER TO MAKE THE CURVE
<Mimi> BUT ALSO THE RINGS GET BIGGER TOO
<Mimi> THEY GO FROM 3DS P 3DS P 3 DS P 3DS TO 
<Mimi> 3DS P 5DS P 5DS P 3DS
<BJ> 12Oh and on HBT site in her album, Lenore changed the pattern somewhat so tht it doesn't have to be hand stitched together - there are joins
<Mimi> THAT'S GREAT BJ, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK
<Mimi> FOR THE REST OF YOU 'HBT' IS A YAHOO MAILING LIST FOR TATTERS
<BJ> 12I misspoke back there - left out picots on chains - sorry  :>(
<Mimi> THERE ARE LOTS OF MAILING LISTS OUT THERE... THE HARD PART IS STOPPING READING AND DOING SOME TATTING :)
<Mimi> ANYWAY, I HOPE IF YOU HAVEN'T TRIED THE PATTERN YET THAT YOU DO SO. IT'S GREAT PRACTICE FOR PATTERN READING, RINGS AND CHAINS
<Katia> and when you stop reading the mail overload in your box ;)
<Mimi> AND OF COURSE STAYING ALERT FOR THE CHANGES
<Mimi> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE?
<BJ> 12What kind of pins would you suggest using for the back?
<BJ> 12So it can be worn.
<Katia> this class is quiet
<gardeniapatti> It's hard to type and tat. :)
<Mimi> I GO TO MICHAELS OR JOANNS AND FIND THE PIN BACKS THEY HAVE IN WITH THE BEADS/FINDINGS
<Mimi> SURE IS PATTI:)
<Mimi> DIANNA STEVENS ONCE GAVE ME A PIN SHE MADE
<Katia> or use a safety pin
<BJ> 12'cept for Bev - who isn't tatting right now and I'm 'yappy anyway.
<Mimi> SHE HAD CLEVERLY WRAPPED TATTING THREAD AROUND THE FAT PART
<Mimi> SO THE METAL DIDN'T SHOW THROUGH TO THE TATTING
<Mimi> SHE USED MATCHING THREAD ON THAT PIN
<ukbrithoosier> That's a great idea.
<BJ> 12great idea
<Mimi> IT LOOKS VERY NICE
<BJ> 12The Chemo Dept and my hair dresser is selling them for $1 for Breast Cancer, so mine are pink!
<Katia> nice idea BJ
<Mimi> DIANNA IS VERY INVENTIVE - I CAN RECOMMEND HER WEBSITE http://www.domesticarts.com/
<Mimi> that's great BJ
<Katia> and she is a great needle tatter 
<Mimi> I need to make a green one for my aunt
<BJ> 12I'm making a minimum of 100  thax for web site
<Mimi> she had a liver transplant
<Mimi> DIANNA HAS ALSO WRITTEN SOME BOOKS
<BJ> 12liver - my that is 'heavy'
<Mimi> SO IF YOU LIKE WHAT'S ON THE WEB-SITE, YOU'LL LIKE HER BOOKS TOO. SHE USUALLY PUTS A PATTERN FROM HTE BOOK ON THE SITE WHEN SHE PUBLISHES
<Mimi> OK THAT'S THE END OF LESSON 1 THEN
<Mimi> UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
<Katia> her animal bookmark book is amazing 
<ukbrithoosier> I was going to ask about books - can you recommend a good pattern book for beginners - there are soooo many out there?
<Mimi> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION PAT
<Mimi> VERY DIFFICULT TO ANSWER
<Mimi> WE ALL HAVE OUR FAVORITES
<BJ> 12How 'bout the Fancy Pants books,l Mimi?
<Katia> it depends on what you want to tat ... big project or small ones
<Mimi> FANCY PANTS EXPLAINS TECHNIQUES ONLY, I THOUGHT? DOES IT HAVE MANY PATTERNS TOO?
<Mimi> I USUALLY TRY TO RECOMMEND DOVER BOOKS
<Mimi> THEY ARE SO CHEAP AND EASY TO FIND
<Katia> no patern 
<BJ> 12It has a few patterns.  Also the BIG BOOK OF TATTING has beginner's patterns
<ukbrithoosier> Ok will look for those. 
<ukbrithoosier> Thanks.
<BJ> 12Plus, there are loads on line 
<Mimi> FOR THOSE WHO LIKE SMALL MOTIFS, THERE'S EASY TATTING
<gardeniapatti> I'm enjoying Nice and Easy Tatted Edgings (especially for beginners) By Diane DiRosa Biswas
<Mimi> AND TATTED SNOWFLAKES IS ANOTHER
<gardeniapatti> She gives instructions for both shuttle and needle.
<Mimi> http://www.doverpublications.com
<BJ> 12hehe those snoflakes will frost one sometimes
<Mimi> or amazon.com or tatting supplies vendors
<Mimi> lol bj
<BJ> 12or Lacis
<Mimi> CHRISTMAS ANGELS AND OTHER TATTING PATTERNS IS ANOTHER FAVORITE OF MINE
<Mimi> IT'S GOT A GOOD MIX OF PATTERNS FOR CHRISTMAS ORNAMENTS, A NICE COLLAR AND A FEW OTHER THINGS
<BJ> 12So far, I have all those books - so many patterns, so little time
<Mimi> PLUS MONA HAHN IS ONE OF MY TATTING MENTORS :) SWEET LADY
<Mimi> BUT I HAVE KNOWN TATTERS WHO GO FOR QUITE SOME TIME BEFORE BUYING A BOOK JUST USING THE INTERNET
<Mimi> GEORGIA'S ON-LINE TATTING CLASSES ARE A GREAT SOURCE OF PATTERNS
<BJ> 12which is a good idea!
<Mimi> AND THE BEST PART IS, IF YOU DON'T GET IT, YOU CAN READ THE LOG
<Mimi> AND IF YOU STILL DON'T WE'RE ALL AROUND TO HELP
<ukbrithoosier> Guess I just have to jump in and try some of the patterns - most look kind of intimidating for a beginner!!
<Mimi> THEY CAN BE, PAT
<BJ> 12true - but Georgia's lessons so far - aren't beginning pieces
<Mimi> SOME WILL HAVE TECHNIQUES YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE LEARNED YET
<BJ> 12true
<Mimi> BUT THAT'S OK.
<gardeniapatti> I couldn't get the thrown rings last Monday.
<gardeniapatti> The rest of it was really interesting.
<BJ> 12me neither
<Mimi> KEEP A COPY AND WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN GET TO THE TECHNIQUE IN THESE LESSONS
<Mimi> THROWN RINGS? i MISSED THE CLASS?
<BJ> 12oh it is always interesting and I print the lessons - so file them for future tries
<Katia> well thrown ring for needle as a catch to make them
<Mimi> AHHHH, RINGS OFF CHAINS = THROWN RING
<BJ> 12It was from an old pattern book that she changed/updated  ROC
<Mimi> THAT'S IN LESSON 3 OF THE BEGINNER'S LESSONS
<Mimi> THOSE LITTLE RINGS ARE IN KIND OF A DIFFICULT SPOT
<gardeniapatti> I'll retry the pattern then.
<BJ> 12is that the Classic Rosette pattern -
<Mimi> DID SHE DO THE OUTER RING AS A RING OR A CHAIN?
<Mimi> NO BJ, CLASSIC ROSETTE IS JUST A CHAIN THAT SPIRALS OUTWARD
<BJ> 12oh
<BJ> 12I'm so corn fused
<ukbrithoosier> I was thinking of looking in on her class - maybe I'd better not!
<Mimi> THIS WEEK'S MAIN CLASS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/frauberger1913.html
<Katia> if you guys are looking for a patern look for diana's steevens simple bookmark patern
<Katia> its very easy to do and fun
<Mimi> I DON'T SEE WHY NOT PAT... YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING, EVEN IF IT'S NOT USEFUL TO YOU NOW
<BJ> 12No, it is a great class - it is just me that can't keep up!
<Katia> BJ is doing a great job in mondays class .... :)
<gardeniapatti> The butterfly from last week was fun. I've learned alot even if I can't do everything yet.
<BJ> 12yes, that is true.  I liked the butterfly, too.
<Mimi> GOOD SUGGESTION KATIA
<Mimi> http://www.domesticarts.com/Patterns/simple.html IS THE PATTERN KATIA FOUND
<Katia> patti can you stay a little after the class ?
<ukbrithoosier> Yes, I feel I learned alot  this week
<gardeniapatti> sure!
<Mimi> OK THANKS FOR COMING EVERYONE
<Katia> i;; teach you the true ring methode for needle if you like
<Mimi> I'LL GET THE LOG UP ON TO THE LESSON 1 PAGE TONIGHT
<ukbrithoosier> Thank you.
<BJ> 12nite Mimi
<Mimi> KATIA YOU CAN USE LESSON 2, THAT'S WHER ETRUE RING IS
<gardeniapatti> Bye!
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<Mimi> SO EVERYONE PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT LESSON 2 FOR NEXT WEEK
<BJ> 12k
<Mimi> http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson2.html
<Katia> so she can have a start for next week since no web page for that technique is done yet
<Mimi> GOOD NIGHT ALL AND HAPPY TATTING - THANKS FOR YOUR HELP KATIA, IT WAS GREAT
<Katia> my pleasure Mimi .. take care 
<Mimi> I THINK IT'S HERE KATIA http://www.handyhandstatting.com/learn.html
<Mimi> SEE YOU ALL NEXT WEEK!
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Session Close: Wed Apr 18 19:04:07 2007