Session Start: Thu Jan 25 17:49:21 2007 Session Ident: #tatchat * Now talking in #tatchat * Tatter has joined #tatchat * Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) * ggm13 has joined #tatchat HI MIMI HOW ARE YOU ? I'm fine, how are you? I'm glad someone is here :) * Tatter has joined #tatchat HOPE I'M NOT LATE , IT'S BEN QUITE COLD HERE SO I'M A BIT SLOW THIS MORNING! Morning??? * Tatter is now known as AnitaH ANd no, you're not late hi mimi We'll start in 4 minutes or whenever some students arrive Hi Anita!!! YES I'M HERE IN ITALY ITS 2.56 AM! Then it's Grace! Welcome back. wow... i thought i was the only one stuck up at those wierd hours YES TELL ME WHAT MATERIALS DO WE NEED TONIGHT AND SHOULD i OPEN TO LESSON 2? HI ANITA WHERE ARE YOU? Yes we'll start with Lesson 2, so if you don't ahve a printout, please open the page ontario canada i'LL TAKE OUT THE PRINT COPY WHAT TIME IS IT THER? 9 pm here finnally got the kids in bed youngest is dosed up with gravol.... COLD? no... she cant eat glutin and i am finding out the hard way some of the hidden places you find it Also, keep lesson 1 handy. We didn't get to picots and picot gauges last time. Wheat allergies are a bummer never thought of weiners as having flour!!!! But once you find a good range of things she can eat, life will get easier Yep, many meat products can have filler like that. thats what i am looking forward to right now at least we have gotten to the point where she is not crying all the time Tummy aches are no fun. this is peace even though she still needs the meds IYES I'M AFRAID i HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AND THERE ARE A LOT AF PROCESSING ADDITIVES THEY FORGET TO ADD ON LABELS i have noticed that unfortunatly would make life so much simpler if you could completely trust food labels NOT WISE ADVERTISING TO ADD EVERYTHING lol true.... we would likely never touch hot dogs again!:) Did the dietician not give you a list of suggested foods? Or did they just say "check the label"? we are still working through all the testing to find out what else she has to avoid MY best way to avoid these problems I found was to go on the blood grou[ diet , it works great we are going on a diet my friend has to follow for his ciliac disease working so far * Tatter has joined #tatchat no i'm a qualified naturopath, and found that this diet works wonders on all brb have to kennel a dog before he kills a cat * Tatter is now known as Betty Hey Betty, welcome back! 04yes guess what I was told at hobby lobby today We also have the other teacher here tonight - Anita - when she comes back What did they tell you at Hobby Lobby? 04they said that DMC is not going to make tatting thread and it is being discontinued Which one, the size 80? 04so what other brands are there 04yes the 80 I knew DMC discontinued some colors of Size 80, but I find it hard to believe they'd do away with teh whole line. Anyway there are alternatives Maybe not at Hobby Lobby, but by mail 04you cant get black or red any more here Altin Basak and also Orem Bayan Both Turkish threads sorry back... Anita, read back, had you heard? 04ooh got to tell you ...I made a butterfly with the pearlizwd embrooidery thread split it to two strans it what awsom! Wow I'll bet that's pretty. Can you scan/email it? As for size 80, there's also Venus All 3 come in a wide range of colors this is the first i heard 04I was buying my tatting thread with my 40% off so now guess I will have to buy it on line but then i normally buy online anyway Yep, sorry Betty. But if you like larger threads, you can tat with Pearl Cotton and Cebelia The result is a little bit softer. But I tatted with Cebelia and Pearl Cotton for years 04Joan Fabricks told me they cant get it from thier home warehouse and wont carry it any more either Before I found out about Size 80 i've never bought on line since i am here in italy but it is difficult to find anything here half decent! i like embroidery thread but outer row needs to have few if any picots But now I don't use 80 much - eyes don't like thread that little :0 the threads just dont stay together Where does Edda buy her threads? how expensive is ostage to order from america oops postage! How about Great Britain or Germany, how is postage from there? 04oh my ggm and I thought I was in trouble lol don't know but she is closer to north italy, there is much more availabel there 04any way the pearlized embroidery thread was really pretty in the butterfly we do not have the service here that you have there at least not in this part of italy Isn't it amazing how larg3e cities can be a thread wasteland, but smaller ones can be easy? betty do you have a scan of it? would love to see it never looked at it before now i must try to work something out and find suppliers 04oh I could do that may be let me see what will I do with it after I scan it >?? And once you find suppliers, you can plan family vacations to those areas (evil grin) Email it to us Betty! if you want to email it to me we can post it on the class website it may be cheeaper to pick up the goods in person now with the inflation of the euro here in italy! Well, it's getting kind of late, should we start class so we can finish by the top of the hour? We ran a bit over last time. First thing, we sign in sounds good I asked mum to send me a shuttle from australia! she has bought them down the road from her MIMI DILLMAN, ntrop@ix.netcom.com, SNOHOMISH, WA USA YOU CAN PROBABLY GET GOOD THREADS IN AUSTRALIA, TOO, WHEN YOU GO BACK TO VISIT anita hobden, london ontario canada, anital76@hotmail.com, ahobden@hotmail.com MOMS ARE GOOD FOR SENDING THINGS :) 04ok will do yes its great there is so much available, I used to take it for granted! BETTY, GRACE, CAN YOU PLEASE SIGN IN? ? BY THE WAY ANITA, BOTH ARE SHUTTLE TATTERS, AND VERY INTERESTED IN ADVANCING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE THEY KEPT ME BUSY WITH VERY GOOD QUESTIONS LAST TIME! name, location and email address YOUR NAME, EMAIL ADDRESS, AND LOCATION 04sorry Betty Ntmatt2540@msn.com Salina KS USA y ok Grace mazza aussiesrus2@gmail.com roma italy LAST TIME, WE DIDN'T QUITE GET TO PICOTS IN LESSON 1. ALSO, WE KIND OF SKIPPED SCMR AND WENT STRAIGHT TO RINGS PLEASE REMIND ME - BOTH OF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH RINGS, RIGHT? 04yes I am ok with rings yes ring are no longer a prolbem OK, THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND FINISH LESSON 1 BOTH OF YOU HAVE MADE PICOTS, RIGHT? and chains are now fine as well i can join picots (two rings) WOW, GREAT! 04yes OK HAVE EITHER OF YOU TRIED USING A GAUGE TO MEASURE PICOT SIZES? i'm starting to understand how to gauge (visually) 04I can to the P too AND/OR KEEP THE PICOTS ALL THE SAME SIZE 04I have done some flowers the P for leaves turned out good i tryid to cut out little gauges but they were getting in the way of my tatting so i gave up GAUGES ARE QUITE USEFUL ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP THEM UNDER CONTROL (AT FIRST YOU FEEL LIKE A JUGGLER) YOU CAN USE THEM 2 DIFFERENT WAYS: HORIZONTALLY OR VERTICALLY exactly 04I am using a ruler sometimes WHEN THE GAUGE IS HORIZONTAL TO THE CORE THREAD, THE PICOT WILL BE THE SAME HEIGHT ASTHE GAUGE RULERS WORK TOO betty as a spacer or just to measure with? BUT HORIZONTAL PICOT GAUGE IS ALMOST MAGIC FOR MAKING A SLEW OF PICOTS ALL CLOSE TO EACH TOHER BE THE SAME SIZE 04to measure the leangth before I slide it ok :) lESSON 1 http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson1.html iF YOU SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM AND LOOK AT THE 2 PHOTOS YOU'LL SEE A STICK INSIDE THE PICOTS THAT'S THE GAUGE THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT HAS LOTS OF PICOTS LOOPED OVER THE GAUGE YOU CAN GET INTO A RYTHYM LOOPING THE BALL THREAD OVER THE TOP OF THE GAUGE LIKE THAT SO THAT IT HARDLY SLOWS YOU DOWN AT ALL THE VERTICAL GAUGE IS A BIT DIFFERENT IT'S LIKE BETTY'S USING A RULER * AnitaH has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) WHEN YOU MEASURE THE THREAD SPACE * Tatter has joined #tatchat WITH VERTICAL GAUGE OR RULER * Tatter is now known as AnitaH YOUR PICOT WIL BE 1/2 THE SIZE OF THE MEAUSRE DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN 04right BECAUSE WHEN YOU SLIDE THE KNOTS TOGETHER, THE THREAD LOOP HEIGHT WILL BE 1/2 THE LENGTH OF THE ORIGINAL THREAD. you would think i would get into the habit of opening a new window before trying to look at something else lol 04never thought of it that way LOL 04anita thought you left us SO YOUR GAUGES, IF YOU MAKE/BUY ANY, ARE VERSATILE not purposly THEY CAN BE FOR 2 DIFFERENT SIZE PICOTS DEPENDING UPON HOW YOU PLACE THE GAUGE WHEN YOU MAKE THE PICOT YOU CAN MAKE GAUGES OUT OF JUST ABOUT ANYTHING I LOVE TO CUT UP THOSE FAKE CREDIT CARDS THAT COME IN THE JUNK MAIL 04wow think I will make one so I can use it both directions right two diffrent sizes i'm lost on the horizontal , i have only used them vertically HORIZONTAL IS THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT GRACE CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE WAY YOU'RE DOING IT (ONT HE RIGHT?) WHEN YOU PUT THE GAUGE PARALLEL TO THE CORE THREAD, IT'S HORIZONTAL YOU CAN THEN LIFT THE BALL THREAD (OR THREAD OVER YOUR HAND) OVER THE TOP OF THE GAUGE, THEN MAKE A DS yes but i'm trying to work out how it is done 04if you wanted to couldnt you just turn the gage 1/4 of a ture for one twice as long as the narrow way?? MAKE SURE YOU PULL THE PICOT SNUG-LY OVER THE TOP (AS OPPOSED TO BEING SNUGGLY WITH IT :) this is done only on a chain or can it be used on a ring THAT'S RIGHT BETTY... AFTER 90 DEGREE ROTATION FROM VERTICAL, IT'S HORIZONTAL ANITA HAVE YOU SEEN ANYONE MAKE A VIDEO OF PICOT GAUGE USE? i CAN'T REMEMBER SSEEING ONE? i dont remember seeing one either 04Mimi and anita want to THANK you for this class betty you are not leaving already are you? 04no just thanking you ok :) http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/pgminidoilyexercise.html IS A GOOD LESSON ON PICOT GAUGE USE. PATTERN IS EASY, TOO YOU CAN USE GAUGES ON ANY TATTED ELEMENT i will have to see if hubby can do a video for us to add to the site think my camera will do that RINGS, CHAINS, SCMR, AND SOME OTHERS WE HAVEN'T STUDIED YET THAT WOULD BE GREAT ANITA 04Hay that is neat it would make a cute barette the pattern you just sent us IF YOU'RE AT ALL A PERFECTIONIST, YOU'LL FIND YOU LIKE USING GAUGES FOR DECORATIVE PICOTS (WHERE YOU DON'T JOIN TO THE PICOT, IT'S JUST HTERE FOR DECORATION) ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT PICOT GAUGES? 04hwo do you read that pattern you just put up >?? can't get mine to hold horizontal whilst making a ds ACTUALLY THE PATTERN APPEARS TO BE A BROKEN LINK :-( WHAT'S ON THE PAGE IS NOT ENOUGH FOR TATTING IT DRAT ZSORRY 04it is kind of like julging a ball to hold the gage or ruler AND GRACE, YOU;LL NEED TO ADJUST YOUR PINCH (LEFT HAND) A BIT SO THAT YOU CAN HOLD THE PICOT GAUGE AT THE SAME TIME AS YOUR WOKR IT TAKES SOME GETTING USED TO VERTICAL IS DEFINITELY EASIEST TO LEARN FIRST BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY HTE HORIZONTAL TOO 04ok tell me this can you after a time figure out how to do pattern after looking at it ?? deffinatly i'm lost on how to go round it with the thread is it the shuttle thread that goes over it 04do you leave the horiziontal one in as you tat along IT'S NOT THE SHUTTLE THREAD THAT GOES OVER IT some take longer to figure out the direction you go at each element change but it can be done so now i'm totally lost THE BALL THREAD GOES OVER (IF IT'S A CHAIN) OR MAYBE IT'S BETTER TO THINK OF IT AS THE THREAD OVER YOUR LEFT HAND THAT GOES OVER THE GAUGE 04right REMEMBER, IT'S LEAVING A SPACE OF THE LEFT-HAND THREAD THAT MAKES THE PICOT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO HELP THAT THREAD WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND I USUALLY NUDGE THE THREAD OVER WITH THE TIP OF MY SHUTTLE THEN MAKE THE DS'S PER THE PATTERN WHILE STILL KEEPING THE GAUGE IN PLACE 04right that was what I was asking WHEN I GET TO THE NEXT PICOT, I NUDGE THE THREAD OVER AGAIN WITH THE SHUTTLE TIP THEN MAKE DS'S AGAIN WHEN I'M NUDGING WITH THE SHUTTLE I'M LETTING THE SHUTTLE THREAD HANG LOOSE IT'S THE THREAD OVER THE LEFT HAND THAT I NUDGE 04but if you had the gage one width for small and the length of the gage twice as long you could use it for that by turning the gage right THAT'S RIGHT BETTY STILL THERE GRACE? i can't grasp this concept at all! i'm fine with the vertical but the horizontal can't understand HOW ABOUT WE LEAVE IT FOR NOW AND YOU CAN TRY AGAIN AFTER SOME SLEEP. WE CAN CORRESPOND THIS WEEK AFTER CLASS BECAUSE WE NEED TO DISCUSS USE OF 2 COLORS AND ALSO SINGLE SHUTTLE TATTING 04you will get it ggm BY THE WAY ANITA, DID SOME OF LESSON 2 DISAPPEAR? mimi i will try also to scan a number of photos to make up a pdf file for everyone to look at fine with me i just can't get it now YES YOU WILL GRACE, THEN YOU'LL WONDER WHY YOU HAD DIFFICULTY :) THAT WOULD BE GREAT ANITA thanks for your encouragement BETTY - YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE OK WITH SCMR, RIGHT? nope mimi.... lesson 2 was a short one OK, IT JUST CONFUSED ME HOW WE DIDN'T AHVE 2 COLOR HOMEWORK :) ANYWAY, FOR 2 COLOR TATTING WITH SHUTTLE, IT HAPPENS PRETTY NATURALLY think we were kind of expecting questions to come up after lesson 1 ALL YOU DO IS TIE A SHUTTLE FILLED WITH ONE COLOR TO A BALL THREAD OF ANOTHER COLOR think that happened more because i couldnt find anything handy at the moment AH :) WE'LL FIDN SOMETHING * AnitaH has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) * Tatter has joined #tatchat * Tatter is now known as AnitaH THE RULE (IN GENERAL) IS THAT THE COLOR ON YOUR SHUTTLE IS THE COLOR OF THE RINGS ugh did it again AND THE COLOR ON YOUR BALL IS THE COLOR OF THE CHAINS is smcr well that is what i have been doing all week so i'm ok with that kind of colour 04Mimi will you post this lesson with the names of the thread you were talking about ?? YES, I'LL INCLUDE ALL IN THE LOG 04thanks 04I do have one question SO YOU'VE BEEN TATTING WITH 2 COLORS GRACE? HOW ABOUT BETTY, AHVE YOU USED 2 COLORS? yes only because i ran out of colour so it was a beginers luck and it worked out ok, only the chains chainged colour 04the regular tatting position with the circle of the core thread....yes used two colors it amazes me when you have diffrent colors you can see the core thread RIGHT, GRACE, THAT'S BECAUSE THE SHUTTLE THREAD HIDES INSIDE OF THE CHAIN BETTY THAT'S POSSIBLE IF THERE'S A LOT OF CONTRAST BUT IF YOU HAVE GOOD TENSION THE OTHER COLOR SHOULD ONLY BE VISIBLE IN THE JOINS BETWEEN ELEMENTS OF DIFFERENT COLORS THAT IS 04ok back to the question .....the chain and the regular tatting do they appear the same it seems to me they do ...just hold hand diffrently right my problem was how to tie the ends of the work THE DIFFERENCE IS WHICH THREAD IS OVER THE TOP OF YOUR LEFT HAND YOU WILL HOLD THE HAND SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KEEP TENSION ON THE BALL THREAD WHEN MAKING A CHAIN 04i use a square knot to tie is that right ?? BUT REALLY, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RING AND CHAIN IS THAT THE SHUTTLE GIVES THREAD FOR THE KNOTS AND CORE OF THE RING what's a square not? RIGHT OVER LEFT, LEFT OVER RIGHT - ALSO CALLED WEAVER'S KNOT I'M AFRAID IT WILL SHOW A LITTLE BUT ONLY A LITTLE 04hmmmmmmmmm ok I will look harder I CAN'T FIND THE LINK, BUT I USED TO HAVE A GOOD GIF SHOWING THIS KNOT I'LL SEND IT AROUND LATER OR YOU CAN GOOGLE FOR YOURSELF THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO MAKE A WEAVER'S KNOT SQUARE KNOTS WILL WORK TOO AS LONG AS THEY DON'T COME LOOSE i'll have to look it up again, is this ths same knot used to tie a new thread on as well or just the finieshed work 04oh I got a tatting shuttle Red plastic for 99 cents today ....made my day!! I will look up weavers knot and try it this week YOU CAN USE IT TO ADD A THREAD TOO. JUST MAKE SURE TO TIE CLOSE TO THE WORK - THAT CAN BE A BIT TOUGH BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL HAVE TO DO UNTIL WE GET TO LESSON 3 AND SEE DEBBIE DRAKE'S WAY BY THE WAY, THE LAST PHOTO IN LESSON 2 IS DEBBIE'S WORK TALK ABOUT A MAGICIAN WITH SIZE 80 THREAD! IT ILLUSTRATES THE LAST CONCEPT IN THIS LESSON: SINGLE-SHUTTLE TATTING THERE ARE NO CHAINS, JUST BARE THREADS BETWEEN THE RINGS IT LOOKS VERY DAINTY BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE BARE THREAD LENGTHS 04is that the cloth with the edge on it ?? yes THAT'S THE TOUGH PART OF THIS KIND OF TATTING - FIGURING OUT HOW LONG TO MKE THOSE THREADS IT'S BEST TO TEST-TAT TO SEE WHAT WORKS BEST... THEN... MAKE (OH NO!!) *A GAUGE* TO MEASURE THEM it is an altar cloth she did for her church * Betty has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) OOPS WE ALL NEED SEATBELTS TONGITH * Tatter has joined #tatchat lol so i am not the only one * Tatter is now known as Betty WB BETTY wb 04I was clicking on he link to look at the communion cloth it is beautiful DID EITHER OF YOU LOOK AT THE HENS-AND-CHICKS PATTERN? 04do you do the tatting and then sew it on to the cloth ???? 04I looked at it .....chickand Hes THIS IS A CLASSIC PATTERN - YOU'LL HEAR IT REFERRED TO ON THE TATTING LISTS 04but didnt do .... IT'S A GOOD ONE TO PRACTICE yes i did does it use a split ring? BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO ALTERNATE RING SIZES SOMETIMES, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER TO REVERSE YOUR WORK BETWEEN RINGS LIKE BETWEEN RINGS AND CHAINS 04dont go there SPLIT RING!!!!! NO SPLIT RINGS IN THAT ONE GRACE 04I love the rw how it bends and turnds ok had that in mind all week , i noticed most patterns talk about it SPLIT RINGS ARE PRETTY COMMON IN ON-LINE PATTERNS. BUT VERY RARE TO NON-EXISTENT IN ANTIQUE ONES ALSO I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE IT MUCH IN THE ITALIAN MAGAZINES AT LEAST THEY DON'T USE IT MUCH IN THE "CIACCHERINO" ONES (DID I SPELL THAT RIGHT?) 04I have been looking at woorkbaskets and they dont use sp rings much BY THE WAY IF YOU FIND THOSE CIACCHERINO MAGAZINES, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET A LOT OF US TO TRADEYOU THREAD FOR THEM THEY COST US$20 OVER HERE!! EACH!! the italian ones? LOTS OF PRETTY PHOTOS IN THOSE, NOT SO SURE OF THE PATTENRS SINCE I DON'T READ ITALIAN YEP, ITALIAN 04do they have patterns in the mag?? they are not expensive here AND YOU THOUGTH ITALY WAS A TATTING WASTELAND :) yes it is for supplies but great for magazines 04Kansas USA is the wasteland!! YES THEY DO BETTY AND THEY ARE *ALL* TATTING ALL THE WAY THROUGH. A4 SIZE AND LOTS OF PAGES GLOSSY PAPER 04 04 wow SO THAT'S YOUR HOMEWORK, TO TRY HENS AND CHICKS AND IF YOU LIKE H&C, YOU CAN ALSO TRY DEBBIES DEEPER EDGING 04where can you get them?? ? 04ok will do the magazines? SEVERAL SUPPLIERS OVER HERE. I'M NOT SURE IF HANDY HANDS HAS THEM BUT CATCHPIN AND SNOWGOOSE AND LACIS DEFINITELY DO 04but the edging do you do it first and then sew it to material?? YOU CAN BETT I'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS EITHER MAKING THE EDGING THEN SEWING IT ON mani di fata is the supplies or all craft magazines OR JOINING TO THE FABRIC AS IF THE FABRIC WERE ANOTHER PICOT 04so whitch is best MANI DI FATA, THAT'S IT! SEWING ON WILL GIVE YOU THE MOST U SE BECAUSE IF THE FABRIC GETS OLD/STAINED, YOU CAN REMOVE THE LACE AND SEW IT TO SOMETHING ELSE WHEN YOU JOIN DIRECTLY TO THE FABRIC, IT'S HARDER TO SEPARATE THE LACE AND HARDER TO SEW IT TO THE NEXT PIECE BUT YOU CAN DO IT BUT YOU WILL FIND TATTING WILL WELL OUTLAST THE FABRIC YOU SEW IT TO i'll have to will it not come loose though if stitched on SAME WITH OTHER LACES TOO DEPENDS ON HOW YOU STITCH IT ON. 04ok well what I did I went to antique shops this week and baught a bunch of hankies to sew edging to WE DON'T AHVE LESSONS ON THAT SINCE ANITA NAD I ARE NOT SEAMSTRESSES :) 04got them for a buck a peace SINCE I'M HOPELESS WITH A SEWING MACHINE, I HAND SEW THEM ON WITH A HIDDEN STITCH AND IT KEEPS THE PICOTS TIGHT TO THE FABRIC GOOD JOB ON THE ANTIQUE HANKIES lol i have enough hobbies my hubby would flip if i took up a new one :) TIME TO TAT! 04oh I figured I would hand sew 04lol I RUN THE NEEDLE INSIDE THE HEM BETWEEN PICOTS, THEN COME UP THROUGH THE PICOT AND BACK INTO THE HEM 04right that is what I kind of figured to do YOU'LL NEED SEWING THREAD TO MATCH YOUR TATTING THREAD COLOR SOME PEOPLE CROCHET IT ON if i want to tat a doily, do i have to cut and tie at every ring THAT WORKS TOO with all the colors of quilting thread now that wouldnt be difficult DO YOU MEAN EACH ROUND? YES YOU WILL UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S WHY THE NEXT LESSON WILL BE ABOUT THREAD ENDS would it then not show up as a not evry round SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ AHEAD THIS WEEK FOR NEXT WEEK YOU'LL LEARN TO MAKE THE KNOTS SMALLER SO THEY DON'T SHOW. ALSO, W HEN YOU SEW THE ENDS INTO THE TATTING, THAT HELPS PULL THE KNOT CLOSER IN, TOO BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ANTIQUE TATTING YES THE KNOTS ARE VERY VISIBLE SOMETIMES 04will we learn to do a faulse p? is the thread then hidden betweeen the ds PARTICULARLY WHERE THE TATTER CUT THE ENDS LCOSE TO THE KNOT INSTEAD OF SEWING THEM IN 04instead of tying and cutting and tying on ?? FALSE OR MOCK PICOT IS LESSON 4 WITH SPLIT RINGS SPLIT RING IS ONE WAY TO CLIMB FROM ONE ROUND TO ANTOHER WITHOUT CUTTING THE THREADS BUT IT DOESN'T WORK FOR ALL PATTERNS WE HAVE TO LEARN TO DEAL WITH THREAD ENDS THEY ARE A FACT OF TATTING LIFE :) 04oh I saw a pattern that called for climbing out with a faulse p and they really are not that bad either AND THE FALSE P WAS PROBABLY FOLLOWED WITH A SPLIT RING OR CHAIN, RIGHT? THERE'S BEEN SOME SPLIT RING STRUGGLES THIS WEEK ANITA BETTY AND I HID THEM FROM YOU :) 04chain SPLIT CHAIN IS A MORE ADVANCED TECH, BUT THEY CAN BE LEARNED WITH PRESERVERANCE. I'D RECOMMEND GETTING MORE COMFORTABLE WITH TATTING BEFORE YOU TRY THAT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TATTING AT ALL BUT THE RESULT LOOKS LIKE TATTING OK WE'RE PAST THE TOP OF THE HOUR. ANY M ORE QUICK QUESTIONS? 04well I am preservering but I keep having that loop and they cant close I can turn my hand upside down and to the stitch backward then I am stuck