Hi All I recognize Irmaji and MaryR from class log last time. Welcome back! hi mary :) I guess the lessons didn't scare you off? :) Irmaji Hi All lol nope, in fact they spurred me on It's like,, homework...now I GOTTA do it That makes it all worthwhile. yea!!!! i didnt scare mary off last week lol and I've been practicing my shuttle tatting since too. Irmaji is a shuttle tatter too, right? In fact, I did a couple of bookmarks, one each needle and shuttle. Just got to add a tassle or soemthing to them hehe I've got the tatting BUG ! Wow! Maybe we need to start on lesson 3! :) by the way mimi we are in the midst of a thunder storm well I had a bookmark here that a friend gave to me and I wanted to see if I could figure out the pattern for it by looking at it...so... (Just teasing) and I did so i may loose power at some point Good for you, Mary. Is it a bookmark on the web? Got it Anita. I hope you don't. not that I can find anywhere...it's a simple one that a friend made for me Did you do it with shuttle or needle? Anita you know Jan, right? it's one of hers I did one in shuttle and one in needle Did you use true rings in the shuttle one, or SCMR? not personally but i know who she is true rings I guess....lol...I think Lesson 1 rings or Lesson 2 rings I guess is the question :) it wasn't the thread the shuttle through the loop to close the ring thing, it was make the stitches on the thread while the thread is held in a circle Good for you! That's what I call the "true ring" being a shuttle tatter because it;s the way they've been taught in shuttle tatting books for years lol I'm not sure what I'm going to do with all these bookmarks, but hey....Christmas is coming Is any of this discussion making sense to you, Irmaji? And so is Father's day, and who knows whose birthday... I also needle tatted a cross lol... Lesson 2 will be a breeze for you then. I plan to put a tassle on that and give it to my daughter as a bookmark since she started reading the bible recently great plan. I dunno about that Anita, shall we get started since it's a few minutes past the hour? you'd be surprised at how I can take something simple and make it complex lol sure LET'S ALL SIGN IN MIMI DILLMAN, ntrop@ix.netcom.com Snohomish WA USA * Tatter is now known as Carmen anita hobden/lausch, ahobden@hotmail.com, london ontario canada hi carmen hola carmen Mary Robinson, PeachtreeCottagge@comcast.net, Georgia, USA Irmaji Irma /Wolfson wolfsoni.l@att.net hi irma! er that's PeachtreeCottage@comcast.net can't even type my own email id lol Hello! TYPOS ALLOWED ALWAYS Irmaji Hi Anita How are You? otherwise i would be in trouble ;) SO IRMA, DID YOU READ ANY OF THE DISCUSSION WITH MARY? DID IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? doing good here Carmen - Peru - calat@ec-red.com Irmaji hardly! * bctoadlover-N has joined #tatchat * bctoadlover-N has quit IRC (Quit: bctoadlover-N) * bctoadlover-N has joined #tatchat OK HTEN WE NEED TO START AT THE BEGINNING OF LESSON 2. hi bc! DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO READ LESSON 2? PLESAE SIGN IN BC skimmed over it Brenda from Kamloops BC Canada needle tatter WOW BRENDA A NEAR NEIGHBOR - I'M JUST SOUTH OF THE BORDER WITH BC IN WA. cool KAMLOOPS IS STILL A BIT OF A HAUL FROM HERE, THOUGH. ANYWAY, LESSON 2 IS A BIT MEATY FOR NEEDLE TATTERS. WE ADDRESS A DIFFERENT WAY TO MAKE RINGS IT'S THE SHUTTLE-TATTER'S WAY IT'S HANDY FOR NEEDLE TATTERS TOO BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE A RING WHEN TATTING WITH 1 THREAD ONLY WHICH IS THE WAY THAT LOVELY BURGUNDY COMMUNION CLOTH WAS MADE DID EVERYONE LOOK AT THAT CLOTH? SO PRETTY it's beautiful ! love the color! Irmaji Beautiful ANITA, HELP ME HERE WITH THE NT WAY TO MAKE THE TRUE RING I ALWAYS FORGET :) start by doing a SLT then use the CORE thread to tie the DS onto your needle so the point of your needle is pointing the same direction as the thread is moving http://www.handyhandstatting.com/learn.html OK THAT'S TRIPPING MY BRAIN CELLS FINALLY. check out the second photo THE MAIN THING IS YOU HAVE TO CUT THE THREAD FROM THE BALL FIRST,RIGHT? THEN SET UP FOR THE RING? it is a good pic to show what i mean yes * MaryR has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) * Tatter has joined #tatchat * Tatter is now known as MaryR HI MARY, YOU NEED A SEAT BELT :) lost that website, can you post it again? after you do a true ring you will not be able to use the ball again unless going to a chain right away http://www.handyhandstatting.com/learn.html ty IRMA AND BRENDA, ARE YOU FOLLOWING ANITA? think so does that make sense to everyone? please speak up if not irmaji Yes got it THE BEAUTY OF MAKING RINGS THIS WAY IS THAT YOU CAN MAKE RING AFTER RING WITH ONLY 1 THREAD BETWEEN UNFORTUNATELY FOR NEEDLE TATTERS, THIS MEANS YOU WILL BE ADDING THREAD A LOT SORRY ABOUT THAT :) some patterns are worth the effort though FOR SHUTTLE TATTERS, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THEY CERTAINLY ARE ANITA YOU WIND THE THREAD FROM THE LEFT HAND PINCH CLOCKWISE AND UP THROUGH THE BOTTOM OF THE PINCH AGAIN. THEN YOU MAKE DS'S OVER THE RING THREAD, MAKING SURE TO FLIP EACH STITCH SO THAT THE THREAD TO THE SHUTTLE IS THE CORE THREAD AS USUAL BUT WHEN THE TIME COMES TO CLOSE THE RING YOU WON'T HAVE A LOOP AT THE BOTTOM. YOU JUST PULL ON THE SHUTTLE THREAD TO CLOSE THE RING. BOTH NEEDLE AND SHUTTLE TATTERS WILL FIND IT EASIER TO CLOSE THE RING IF THEY GET THE STITCHES IN PLACE INTO RING FORMATION I MEAN THEN PULL ON THE THREAD HMMM, DID THAT MAKE SENSE? so far so good for me WHAT I MEAN IS THAT IF YOU PULL THE DS'S AROUND IN RING SHAPE SO THAT THE LAST ONE MEETS THE FIRST ONE, YOU WON'T HAVE TO FIGHT THE DS'S TWISTING WHILE YOU PULL THE SHUTTLE THREAD THROUGH THERE WILL BE ENOUGH TO DO JUST WATCHING THE THREAD DRAW CLOSED! LAST WEEK, ANITA TALKED WITH YOU ABOUT THE PICOT GAUGE A PICOT GAUGE WILL BE HANDY FOR RINGS-ONLY TATTING LOOK AT THE HENS AND CHICKS PATTERN FOR EXAMPLE THERE'S BARE THREAD BETWEEN EACH RING ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST LENGTH IS (IF YOU'RE NOT TOLD THAT IS, AND THE ANTIQUE PATTERNS DON'T TELL YOU) YOU CAN MATCH IT UP WITH A GUAGE THEN USE THE GAUGE AT THE SAME PLACE EACH REPEAT TO MEASURE THE THREAD SPACE NEEDED BETWEEN THE RINGS YOUR TATTING WILL LOOK NICER FOR IT. i use a paper clip sliped over the thread to space the rings sometimes, a hair clip others GREAT IDEA, THOSE ARE ALWAYS HANDY IF YOUR TATTING KIT ISN'T I have to admit I get all fumble fingered trying to hold the thread, needle/shuttle, and gauge too (BUT WHOSE TATTING KIT ISN'T??! lol) GAUGE HANDLING IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT TAKES PRACTICE I'M AFRAID BUT IT WILL GET EASIER IN TIME YOU'LL FIND YOU PREFER TO USE IT IN ONE DIRECTION MORE THAN ANOTHER AT LEAST, I DID. BUT THEY ARE SURE HANDY WHEN i NEED A BARE THREAD MEASURED, OR WHEN I HAVE TONS OF PICOTS ON A RING OR CHAIN THAT I WANT ALL THE SAME SIZE lol i have more things in my "tatting kit" that are related to my work (as a hair stylist) than things that arnt LUCKY YOU, YOU'LL HAVE TONS OF COOL TOOLS... HAIR / THREAD NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE :) nope :) HENS & CHICKS IS A REAL CLASSIC PATTERN YOU'LL SEE VARIATIONS OF IT IN MANY PLACES ONCE YOU START LOOKING IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETIMES A BIT TRICKY BECAUSE ONE SIDE OF THE PROGRESSION HAS RINGS ALL THE SAME SIZE BUT THE OTHER SIDE HAS RINGS OF DIFFERENT SIZES... AND SOME JOIN TOGETHER AND SOME DON'T! SO YOU HAVE TO PAY GOOD ATTENTION. tHE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER IS YOU WILL NEED TO REVERSE WORK BETWEEN EACH RING. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HENS & CHICKS? DID I LOSE EVERYONE? I'm still here :) HALLELUJAH :) lol Personally I have a bit of a harder time understanding the diagrams I'm just wondering about this "tatting kit" is there one? REALLY MARY? not really just make one up as you go HOW ARE YOU DOING WITH THE WRITTEN PATTERNS THAT ARE SO HEAVILY ABBREVIATED? LIKE THE h&c ONE? your kit is anything you put together that you use often yeah because they don't show the whole thing only the part that gets repeated and that thows me off I have no problem with written ones yeah like the h&c one OH. LUCKILY THERE'S A PHOTO WITH MULTIPLE REPEATS. DOES THAT HELP I ALWAYS FIND IT INTERESTING TO SEE HOW PEOPLE REACT TO THE DIFFERENT STYLES OF PATTERN WRITING mary think of it like a crochet diag. EVERYONE SEEMS TO HAVE THEIR OWN STYLE AND PREFERENCES FOR ABBREVIATIONS they only show part and you have to fill in the rese rest lol ON SOME OF THE OLD PATTERNS, YOU MAY HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE THING AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY MEANT. Yeah I know Anita, I don't do well with crochet diagrams either I LIKE AT LEAST A PHOTO DIAGRAM IS BETTER IT HELPS ME VISUALIZE WHAT I NEED TO DO FASTER. BUT EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND ISN'T IT WONDERFUL THAT WE ARE THAT'S WHY GEORGIA MOST TIMES WILL PROVIDE BOTH A WRITTEN PATTERN so long as you understand the written pattern though they are normally added to the diag. AND A DIAGRAM WITH ONLINE CLASS LESSONS you will get more use to seeing and reading the diagrams though FREQUENTLY ONE CAN'T EXIST WITHOUT THE OTHER. DIAGRAM MAY NEED EXPLANATION TOO BACK TO H&C THEN, DID EVERYONE GET IT OR ARE THERE QUESTIONS? deffinatly.... at least for the first pattern repeat it's basically just a series of rings, then another row of rings, etc, til the final row which is various size rings, right? THAT SOUNDS LIKE HENS CHICKS AND EGGS MARY hmmm well that's what I get looking at the diagram HENS AND CHICKS IS A LONG LINE OF RINGS THAT ALTERNATE TO EACH SIDE OF THE EDGING WHICH DIAGRAM, TOP OR BOTTOM? so just the h&c is the row of smaller rings, then the row of 2 size rings? BOTH ROWS ARE MADE SIMULTANEOUSLY. I WISH THERE WERE LETTERS INSIDE THOSE RINGS GOING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, IN THE TOP DIAGRAM THERE IS A RING FACING "UP" ON THE FAR LEFT THAT'S THE FIRST RING IT'S 4 DS - P - 4DS - P - 4DS - P 4 DS CLOSE RING THE NEXT RING THAT SHOULD BE WORKED IS THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM ROW LEFT IT'S TO THE LEFT OF THE RING WTIH LOTS OF PICOTS. ok I think I'm visualizing how it's done....like I said...diagrams confuse me IT'S 4 DS - P - 4DS THAT'S OK MARY YOU'RE JUST LEARNING! TO DO THAT NEXT RING, YOU'LL HAVE TO REVERSE YOUR WORK BEFORE STARTING ok question AFTER YOU FINISH THAT 2ND RING, YOU'LL HAVE TO REVERSE WORK AGAIN GO AHEAD that slightly zig zag line between them is your core thread..... showing which is worked next reversing work....is that from right to left or top to bottom.... cause I'm used to right to left SORRY, IT'S TOP TO BOTTOM :) RIGHT TO LEFT IS TURNING WORK ANITA DID WE CATCH THAT TERMINOLOGY ANYWHERE IN THE LESSONS? GEORGIA HAS A GOOD LESSON ABOUT IT dont think so will have to add it thanks AND IT'S SOMETHING IT'S TOUGH TO GET WHEN LEARNING AT FIRST MARY WATCH NEXT TIME YOU'RE MAKING A BOOKMARK WHEN YOU CHANGE FROM RING TO CHAIN YOU REVERSE YOUR WORK. THE RING WILL HANG TIP DOWN TOP DOWN (ARGH) WHEN YOU ARE MAKING YOUR CHAIN WHEN YOU GO FROM CHAIN TO RING YOU REVERSE THERE TOO BECAUSE YOUR CHAIN WILL HANG DOWN WHILE YOU MAKE YOUR RING TOP UP IRMA, BRENDA, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU TOO? YOU'VE BOTH BEEN VERY QUIET!! Irmaji Some of it IT'S A LITTLE TOUGHER TO VISUALIZE WHEN NEEDLE TATTING I THINK, RIGHT ANITA? irma if something doesnt make sense please let us know so we can help Are there any photos of the edgings? a little.... though you just need to keep in mind where you want your working and core threads which edging? there are many :) http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/hcflake.html HAS HENS & CHICKS IN COLOR AT THE TOP hens and chicks is on the pattern page Irmaji I will thanks and the communion cloth one is on our class site AND THE COMMUNION CLOTH http://family.drakepacific.net/communion_cloth_pattern.htm IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, YOU CAN SEE THE EDGING'S OUTER ROW (IT HAS 2 ROWS) LOOKS A LOT LIKE H&C TOO BUT THE HENS ARE ALL CONNECTED INSTEAD OF SITTING SEPARATELY ON THE CHICKS :) INNER ROW HAS THE CHICKS OK AT THE BOTTOM, BUT THERE ARE NO HENS (BIG RINGS) BETWEEN THE WINGS (LITTLE RINGS) OH MY IT MUST HAVE BEEN A LONG DAY AT WORK IF I'M THIS WHIMSICAL lol so mimi.... how much meds have you taken for the migraine???? :) NOT ENOUGH!! :) THE HENS ARE NOT FLYING AND THE CHICKS ARE NOT CHEEPING :) lol you poor girl..... lol okay I understand now. HOPEFULLY YOU WILL ALL TRY HENS AND CHICKS. ONCE YOU HAVE NEEDLE/SHUTTLE IN HAND AND FOLLOW THE WRITTEN DIRECTIONS, MAYBE IT WILL MAKE MORE SENSE? YOU CAN WRITE ANYTIME DURING THE WEEK ANITA AND I WILL DO OUR BEST TO HELP (HOPEPEFULLY NOT MUDDY UP THE WATERS MORE...) lol deffinatly THE OTEHR CONCEPT IN THE LESSON: COLOR OH WHAT FUN THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN HAVE LOTS OF FUN. WHEN YOUR RINGS ARE ONE COLOR, AND YOUR CHAINS ANOTHER, INTERESTING PATTERNS START TO EMERGE (NO MEDS NEEDED) lol lol hmmmmmmm ;) FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU DO AN AWARENESS PATTERN IN 2 COLORS, now i got her going :) YOUR CHAINS WILL STAND OUT FROM THE RINGS AND OUTLINE THEM lol so lets see... I need to order lots of different color thread, another set of needles, some more shuttles....and? LOL OF COURSE! YOU DO INDEED HAVE THE BUG MARY! lol yup she has been bit :) YOU MAY WANT TO TRY THIS ON A FAVORITE PATTERN (IF YOU HAVE 2 COLORS OF THREAD) AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THIS COULD ADD A NEW DIMENSION TO YOUR CROSSES THAT YOU'VE BEEN TATTING, MARY IF THEY ARE RINGS ON TEH INSIDE AND CHAINS ON THE OUTSIDE YOU'LL HAVE OUTLINE IN ONE COLOR, AND CENTER ANOTHER. the other way around, rings on outside chains on inside OH, THEN YOU'LL HAVE A THIN CENTER LINE OF A DIFFERENT COLOR SO MANY WAYS TO MAKE A CROSS :) I was looking at the candycane demo, is there a pattern for it number of stitches ? I'VE BEEN SURFING FOR SOME 2-COLOR EYE CANDY - HERE'S ONE THAT FORESHADOW'S LESSON 3: http://www.geocities.com/tatrasutra/tatteal.html wow that is striking. ummmm..... now i have one more thing i want to do..... you are giving me ideas mimi :) CANDY CANE, ANITA - JUST USED 3 DS BETWEEN THE PICOTS, RIGHT? AND SHORTER CHAINS (ONLY 3 DS) BETWEEN THE RINGS TO MAKE THE CURVE is there a way to copy and paste the links you all are posting? YOU CAN'T JUST POINT AND CLICK, MARY? I'M SORRY I DON'T USE THE WEB-BROWSER METHOD IN MIRC I CAN POINT AND DOUBLE CLICK, AND A NEW INTERNET EXPLORER WINDOW OPENS UP SHOWING THAT URL mary right click and drag your mouse across to highlight it no that's what kicks me out :-( RATS it will copy to another window MAYBE IF YOU OPEN A NEW INTERNET EXPLORER WINDOW or it will be in the log if nothing else COPY THE TEXT FROM THE IE WINDOW OF HTE CLASSROOM AND CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT / CTRL-C TO COPY THE URL? I right click and it gives me a choice to open in a new window, which does not close my MIRC. ah ha! thanks Anita TOO BAD YOU CAN'T SEE NOW MARY, YOU'D LIKE THE TEAL DOILY I THINK did you get it mary? I can see it now :-) cool :) and yes it's very pretty, of course teal is one of my favorite colors...so... HERE'S A BOOKMARK IN 2 COLORS, ONE OF WHICH IS VARIEGATED...AND YOU *ALL* SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE IT? http://www.picotnet.com/Patterns/LacyBookmark.htm OOPS i DIDN'T LOOK CLOSELY ENOUGH LA RAE OUTDID HERSELF ON THAT ONE SHE USED 3 THREADS, NOT THE 2 I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY BUT THE IDEA IS THE SAME YOU CAN AT LEAST SEE (THINKING OF YELLOW AND WHITE AS THE SAME THREAD) WHAT THE EFFECT IS WITH CHAINS ONE COLOR AND RINGS ANOTHER SORRY ABOUT THAT :) IN ANY CASE, WE'VE COME TO THE END OF ANOTHER HOUR I HOPE I HAVEN'T CONFUSED YOU TOO MUCH AND I HOPE YOU'LL TRY SOME H&C BEFORE NEXT CLASS ALONG WITH A PATTERN WITH RIGNS AND CHAINS YOU'VE DONE ONE COLOR BUT IN 2 COLORS PLEASE ALSO READ OVER LESSON 3 BEFORE NEXT WEDNESDAY I think I can manage that IT'S ONE OF THE MEATIEST LESSONS Irmaji Will do! Thanks BUT HAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE PATTERNS, THE "CLASSIC ROSETTE" I HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE IN 6 DAYS 23 HOURS ;) Do you have any tips on how to manage the twisting of the needle thread when pulling it through, I am having a really hard time and I am wondering if it varies depending on the type of thread used? UNLESS THERE ARE ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE SIGN OFF? lol mimi concentrate on getting over the migrain..... not counting hours lol ANITA, WHAT'S YOUR ADVICE FOR BRENDA? HOLD THE STITCHES BETWEEN YOUR LEFT THUMB AND FOREFINGER WHILE PULLING THE NEEDLE OUTWITH YOUR RIGHT? think the biggest thing is to make sure you are holding your ds as you pull and i always have a finger holding the thread right before it goes Yes I do but the thread just wants to curl around itself, very aggravating. through the first ds so it doesnt knot there what do you mean a finger holding the thread? I stick my baby finger in the loop then pull til it's close to my finger, SHUTTLE TATTERS CAN "JUST LET THE SHUTTLE DANGLE" UNTIL THE THREAD UNTWISTS CAN NEEDLE TATTERS DCO THE SAME WITHOUT LOSING HTE NEEDLE OFF THE THREAD? sometimes no because the needle is already into the stitches. BEFORE STARTING THE WORK I MEAN :) as i am pulling the thread through i hold (gently) with my pinky the thread about 1" away from my first ds, this way if it knots i have some play to unknot it yes then but I don't have so much problem it is after I start to pull it through it starts to twist. okay I will try that, thanks. ANITA'S AND MARY'S SUGGESTIONS ARE THE SAME, AND I DO IT TOO - SOME THREADS SEEM TO TWIST MORE THAN OTHERS unfortunatly with the way thread is wound it is hard to avoid BUT SOME TATTERS HAVE TROUBLE WHERE OTHERS DON'T (UNLESS IT'S LBH THREAD, BUT HOPEFULLY THERE'S NONE OF THAT LEFT FOR SALE ANYMORE) lbh???? CONQUERING THE TWISTING THREAD IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS TO PRACTICE LBH WAS SOLD IN THE 90S HAD SOME GORGEOUS COLORS GREAT FOR CROCHET AND FOR KNITTING, BUT HEAVEN HELP YOU IF YOU TATTED WITH IT TWISTED LIKE THE DICKENS I am just using some 'crochet' cotton WHAT BRAND BRENDA DOES IT SAY someone gave me, perhaps I will stop using that ball and use a different one. no label. AH. WELL, TRY THE OTHER AND SEE IF IT DOES THE SAME thanks. DON'T BE SURPRISED IF IT DOES :) IT WILL BE THE CHANCE TO PRACTICE KEEPING IT UNDER CONTROL SO THAT IT DOESN'T KINK SO MUCH YOU CAN'T CLOSE THE RING if you shuttle tat as well though... try if with a shuttle AND IF YOU GET THE TWISTING, LET THE NEEDLE DANGLE (CAREFULLY) UNTIL THE NEEDLE STOPS TWISTING AROUND i find some threads i have problems with the needle but put it in a shuttle and it is ok HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP KEEP IT UNDER CONTROL TOO MAKES SENSE, ANITA, THE MOTIONS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT just enough to make a BIG diffence some times YEAH LIKE WHEN THE PHONE'S RINGING AND YOU WANT TO CLOSE THE RING FIRST, THAT'S WHEN IT KINKS :) and especially if you like the color..... hate to waste it NO WASTE, KNIT OR CROCHET WITH IT :) MACRAME, OR ?? ALWAYS SOMETHING TO DO WITH STRING lol like crochet a little teddy bear ! lol ya :) I wonder does tension, that is how tight I do the ds, make a difference to the twisting? lol i just finished a 2" tall cat :) I would rather tatt a little teddy bear. NOT THAT I KNOW OF ANITA... DO YOU THINK TENSION MAKES A DIFFERENCE? I just did a 1.5 inch pony :-P dont think tension makes a difference sorry I'D THINK THE NUMBER OF DS'S WOULD BE MORE OF THE DIFFERENCE - MORE MOTIONS IWTH THE THREAD I don't see how it could if you're needle tatting SO A RING OR CHAIN WITH MORE DS WOULD SEE MORE POSSIBILITY OF TWISTING. mary i am still trying to get onto animals other than bears..... though my cat looks ok this time lol NOW THAT I THINK OF IT, I HATE MAKING BIG RINGS, AND ITMAY BE FOR THAT REASON - THREAD TWITS MORE ON CLOSING (AND ITS A LOT OF DS TO HOLD ON TO AS WELL( FOOD FOR THOUGHT :) yup:) a tatted pony only 1.5 inches? well hubby needs the puter :) and i have to knock out some kids...... one more "theres a spider" and i am going to screem myself crocheted anyway ladies, I hate to say good night, but I must. It's 7:15 here and I need to go make dinner. ugh i'll put the log up on the website on the lesson 2 page thanks for the lesson night all so that way you can go back and look at more eye candy thanks. see you next week! thanks for all of you comming and keeping mimi and i company :) * AnitaH has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) * Disconnected Session Close: Wed May 31 19:14:35 2006