Session Start: Wed Apr 26 17:44:21 2006 Session Ident: #tatchat * Now talking in #tatchat * Retrieving #tatchat modes... Hello Charlene and Emilia 06Hey, Mimi * Tatter has joined #tatchat * Tatter is now known as Anita hi ladies 06Hey, Anita Hi Anita Charlene, no grits today? 06Are y'all coming to "Hats off to Tatters" in June? 06Na... too confusing Sorry, can't make it this year. I went last year, though. hola a todas Hola Mimi como estan Hola Emilia, estoy bien y usted? (how's that for someone who has not had a Spanish class in 20 years?) yo poco se ingles pero cro defenderme 06Sorry you won't be there, too. charlene how long have you been tatting? hello Charlene 06Oh, about three weeks now... ok :) Sorry Emilia, no comprendo. 06I went to the Peidmont Tatters monthly meeting last Saturday. 06Hola, Emilia i wish there were a tatting group near here I think there's one that meets in Toronto... not exactly close? nope Maple Leaf Tatters about 3 hour drive They have a tatting day in May 06It's about 85 miles from me, but my son lives there, too. Maybe worth the drive... do you drive? i do but prefer not to drive in toronto...... to many busy streets charlene where are you? 06maybe you could drive ini and meet someone to drive into the city? * Tatter has joined #tatchat 06I'm in Rock Hill, SC you not very English but I believe that I will defend Hi Mimi! You have a visitor I wonder who that could be... hmmmm... tatter who? * Tatter is now known as Carmen ok...... i know almost no us geography but i will assume that is close to the boarder :) hi carmen! Hola Carmen. I hope you can help Emilia! I think my Spanish is too bad to help her :-( you some tattin and I want to learn but 06Yes 30 mi from Charlotte, NC Yes, I met her 2 hours ago and invite to come to class Hola Emilia! geee we are a chatty bunch now arnt we lol Yep. I know why I'm lagging - still recovering from my weekend trip. Hola Carmen 06You went to the WA tatters group, didn't you? ugh wish i could blame a trip...... still trying to get over this cold :( Yes, to Spokane to the Shuttlebirds Tatting workshop - 5+ hours drive each way But worth it. I went with a group of 3 others. We had a ball. Er, ball=lots of fun (slang) gone through 3 bottles of cough syrup on 3 weeks..... working on 4th You poor thing Anita. I know you were feeling bad last week too. Do your kids have it too? hubby is convinced i am never getting over it 06Do you feel like you're winning the battle, yet? nope kids are good... as is hubby Time for the dr. then some times i am ok but then it gets worse again Hopefully typing (silent) instead of talking for awhile will help :) lol yup..... apothicary gave me a new cough syrup to try to I saw Georgia Seitz in Spokane. She's doing well. said it was stronger She kept us laughing in class. Mimi I make the picks to the I calculate I have never used bar of help I bragged about how well the beginners classes were doing. She thanked you and me, Anita Also, Nina Libin and Bina Madded complemented the beginner's site. Nina said she's referred a couple of students to it so they can learn enough to do Beanile Tatting I just hope it works well for our current students! I'm sorry Emilia, I did not understand your question? 06You may have bragged too soon -- I've had a time with the last pattern lol shesh..... i keed getting nina and bina mixed up Which one Charlene? keep thinking it is one person If you meet Nina and Bina, there's no mixing them up. Bina is much taller than Nina (Nina is under 5 ft, Bina probably is 6 ft) 06The communion trim Bare thread tatting is kind of tough for needle tatters. How about we sign in, then start the lesson? Emilia says she never uses a bar to measrure pics Today is April 26 2006 Lesson is http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson2.html anita hobden, london ontario, ahobden@hotmail.com I am Mimi Dillman, ntrop@ix.netcom.com, Snohomish, WA USA 06Charlene Ogle, rock Hill, SC, csogle@yahoo.com ANITA, ARE YOU UP TO TEACHING LESSON 2? can if you want..... THANKS CARMEN. USE OF THE PICOT GAUGE IS NOT REQUIRED IT'S A HELPFUL TOO, THOUGH, WHEN MEASURED PICOTS ARE NEEDED up to you :) COULD BE HELPFUL IN BARE THREAD TATTING TOO. WE AGREED WE'D ALTERNATE - BUT IF YOU'RE SICK, I CAN DO IT. might be better..... i may end up leaving for a bit to caugh :( OK. LAST WEEK WE TALKED ABOUT THE PICOT GAUGE (STICK) NOW WE'LL GO TO THE TOP OF THE LESSON AND TALK ABOUT WHAT I (A SHUTTLE TATTER, SORRY) CALL THE 'TRUE RING' NEEDLE TATTERS HAVE TO USE TRUE RINGS ONLY SOMETIMES THOSE TIMES ARE: SINGLE RING PATTERNS, LIKE MAKING A SMALL FLOWER FOR STATIONERY (KEEPS THE RING FROM UNRAVELING) OR SINGLE THREAD PATTERNS, SUCH AS THE COMMUNION CLOTH PATTERN OR HENS & CHICKS (BOTH LINKED TO THE LESSON AT THE BOTTOM) DID ANYONE TRY TO MAKE A TRUE RING THIS WEEK? 06It seemed to help me when doing this weeks pattern CARMEN, DID EMILIA TRY? 06If I understand True Ring - is it working 'away' from the ball of yarn 06toward the needle? charlene you working with a needle ? then yes.... 06Yes, needle needle is closer to the ball than the newer stitches IN FACT, AFTER THE FIRST TRUE RING, YOU CANNOT USE THE BALL AT ALL. Emilia Mimi pregunta si sabes hacer anillos yes PREGUNTAS DE ANILLOS, O COMPREDE TODO? OOPS, COMPRENDE TODO? hago pequeñas franjas hago anillo sencillo con picos trabajo con naveta She makes small rings with picots and uses shuttles OK. THEN WHAT i'M TALKING ABOUT NOW IS HOPEFULLY EASY FOR HER TO DO. TO MAKE THE COMMUNION CLOTH EDGING, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A TRUE RING. THEN YOU MEASURE A LENGTH OF THREAD, AND START A 2ND RING Mimi dice que el tema de hoy debe ser sencillo para ti creo que si BUT NOT FROM THE BALL - FROM THE NEEDLE! OR IF SHUTTLE TATTING, FROM THE SHUTTLE. WAS THAT WHERE YOU HAD TROUBLE, CHARLENE? 06It seems to be working better for me now, using the needle thread instead of the ball thread 06but it looks like it will run out pretty soon... THAT'S THE TROUBLE WITH SINGLE-THREAD TATTING WITH THE NEEDLE YOU WILL BE STOPPING FREQUENTLY TO ADD A THREAD you will have to add new pieces with needle tatting Tienes el pañuelo de comuni'on a la vista? SHUTTLE TATTERS HAVE A NICE RESERVOIR OF THREAD TO USE :) IT'S ON THE SHUTTLE yes * Tatter has joined #tatchat Emilia .. Communion cloth pagina 1 y 2 ANYWAY, ONE OF THE TOUGHEST THINGS TO MAKE LOOK NICE IN THIS KIND OF TATTING IS THAT BARE THREAD * Tatter is now known as kate KEEPING IT FROM BEING TOO LOOSE OR TOO TIGHT THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE PICOT GAUGES IN THIS LESSON GAUGES CAN BE VERY HELPFUL TO MEASURE THESE BARE THREADS AND KEEP THEM EVEN. JUST A SUGGESTION HELLO KATE. WELCOME TO CLASS. CAN YOU PLEASE SIGN IN WITH YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND LOCATION? Carmen la dos es donde estan las istrucciones Yes, I'm not sure where to do that/ JUST TYPE RIGHT INTO THE MESSAGE LINE WHERE YOU TYPED YOUR LAST SENTENCE! WE TRY TO KEEP THINGS EASY AROUND HERE THANKS FOR CHANGING YOUR NAME. Emilia ... si dkdnecdet@aol.com THAT'S THE TOUGHEST... OTHER THAN TATTING OF COURSE. WE WERE JUST GOING OVER THE COMMUNION CLOTH PATTERN. HAVE YOU TRIED IT? OR READ OVER IT? 06well, i've got three bigger rings and three smaller rings done now I started it and it is looking good 06but do need to use the gauges :-) carmen que significa el signo igual THAT'S GREAT! BOTH OF YOU! KATE, YOU'RE THE ONE FROM ST. LOUIS, RIGHT? STILL USING THE NEEDLE? Mimi .... Emilia wants to know what it is mean = Yes and still using a needle 06one of the ladies at the meeting Saturday said to me, THANKS, 06"Who talked you into using the needle?" 12picot to be joined later i know i was late but where do you find a gauge? YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE THEM MOST LIKELY 12carmen did you get that? YOU CAN BUY GAUGES FROM GEORGIA SEITZ. BUT SHE'S AWAY FROM HOME FOR THE NEXT WEEK. GAUGES CAN BE MADE OF ANY RIGID MATERIAL picot a unir mas tarde OLD CREDIT CARDS/DEBIT CARDS, CARDBOARD, EVEN QUILT TEMPLATE MATERIAL OR SIMILAR Yes, Anita ... 12old credit cards work good gracias 12cut em up into widths you like AND BE CAREFUL THAT YOU ALWAYS ORIENT THEM THE SAME WAY No one encouraged me to use it. i went to the store and bought a set of needles and two shuttles GAUGES ARE NOT IN UNIVERSAL USE YOU CAN TAT WITHOUT THEM BUT IF YOU'RE AT ALL A PERFECTIONIST, YOU'LL LIKE IT ONCE YOU TRY IT. The only book I could find was on needle tatting I HAVE NOT SEEN GAUGES IN STORES - ONLY FROM A FEW SPECIALIZED TATTING SUPPLIES VENDORS 06Kate, you do know I wasn't asking you that, don't you? Someone asked ME that YOUR STORE SOUNDS LIKE MY LOCAL MICHAELS, KATE NOT A LOT NOT A LOT OF SUPPLIES THERE, BUT ENOUGH TO GET YOU STARTED THEN IF YOU DECIDE YOU LIKE IT, WE CAN HELP YOU FIND MORE SUPPLIES This is a family owned store that specializes in yarns and threads HAVE WE EXHAUSTED TRUE RINGS/BARE THREAD TATTING AND GAUGE USE? TIME FOR 2-COLOR TATTING? 06another question, please SURE CHARLENE 06when i've tried to tie on, it won't slide through. Does that make sense? Carmen sp que signifia, 5=5 que es es un arco 12tie on a new thread? NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN. DO YOU MEAN AFTER ADDING A THREAD, OR AFTER JOINING ONE RING TO ANOTHER? 06yes 06tie on a new thread when needle thread runs out AH WELL, YOU CANNOT ADD A THREAD IN THE MIDDLE OF A RING, SORRY yavi es espacio 12you have to be careful to knot the thread at the end of an element only THE KNOT WILL KEEP THE RING FROM CLOSING EXACTLY, ANITA 12regardless of needle or shuttle 06ok - plan ahead - got it :-) 12better to have extra thread and cut off a few inches THAT'S PRETTY MUCH CORRECT. DALE PALMER SHOWED ME A WAY TO DO IT, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO ADAPT IT TO NEEDLE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? No Mañana te envio una lista de terminos usados en frivolit'e 12carmen did emilia understand this so far? THANKS CARMEN, I WASN'T SURE HOW TO HELP EMILIA WITH ABBREVIATIONS. Mimi I will sende her a list tomorrow 12think we need to add a list of abbreviations in different languages 12seen a russian and german ones..... GEORGIA MAY HAVE THOSE, WE CAN CHECK LATER IF NO MORE QUESTIONS... NOW CAN i GO TO COLOR? 12spanish seems pretty common hago 5 nudos y pego al utimo de 4 USING COLOR CAN BE LOTS OF FUN. HAVE YOU TRIED KNOTTING 2 DIFFERENT COLORS OF THREAD TOGETHER AND TATTING AWAY? YOU'LL HAVE ONE COLOR ON YOUR NEEDLE/SHUTTLE, AND A 2ND COLOR ON YOUR BALL 06i haven't No I haven't. Which one would you use? 12both :) FOR SHUTTLE TATTERS, THE RINGS WILL COME OUT THE SAME COLOR AS THE THREAD ON THE SHUTTLE AND THE CHAINS WILL BE THE SAME COLOR AS THE THREAD FROM THE BALL. 12needle tatters have to remember though to use true rings to get the second color for the rings Emilia hemos cambiado te tema ... ahora vamos a usar dos colores de hilo IT'S KIND OF COOL. SEE THE LOOK OF THE TATTING ON http://groups.msn.com/NeedleTattingTwo/twocolortatting.msnw I am still not clear on true rings TRUE RINGS ARE RINGS WORKED FROM THE NEEDLE THREAD okay AND FOR NEEDLE TATTERS TO GET THIS SAME EFFECT, THEY NEED TO USE TRUE RINGS Usando agujas de tejer CARMEN WILL REMEMBER IN THE LAST SET OF LESSONS THAT SHE AND SOME OTHER STUDENTS HAD USED COLORS ALREADY SO I GAVE HTEM A CHALLENGE 12http://www.handyhandstatting.com/learn.html HOW ABOUT TRYING TO GO AGAINST THE ORDER THE COLORS WOULD NATURUALLY FOLLOW 12has photos of how to do true rings in needle tatting AND CONTROL THE COLORS' PATHS BY SHOE LACE TRICKS? 12where the cut end is is the ball THINK OF A CANDY CANE Carmen eso tno lo vi en la lecion thank you I'll check it out THERE ARE STRIPES OF RED AND WHITE TO TAT ONE, YOU CAN MAKE A RING AND CHAIN OF RED, FOLLOWED BY A RING AND CHAIN OF WHITE AND SO ON, MAKING THE TATTING CURVE A LITTLE AS YOU GET TO THE TOP AND WORK DOWN AGAIN FOR THE CROOK. Emilia said it is not en lesson 2 ANITA VERY KINDLY TATTED ONE UP AND ATTACHED IT TO THE LESSON http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/candycane.html TAKE A LOOK AT THAT! 12carmen what is not in lesson 2? WHEN THE NEEDED COLOR THREAD WAS NOT IN THE CORRECT POSITION COMING FROM THE PREVIOUS TATTING SHE HAD TO TIE THE THREADS = SHOE LACE TRICK Anita Emilia did not have enough time to review the lesson SAME GOES FOR SHUTTLE TATTERS BUT YOU'LL BE USING 2 SHUTTLES IF YOU TRY THIS CANDY CANE WITH SHUTTLES 12ok np :) IT'S TOUGH TO TAT WITH A BALL AS YOUR SHUTTLE :) EVERYONE STILL DIGESTING THE LEAP OF LOGIC TO THE CANDY CANE? 12if she has any questions come up even trough the week she can email us anytime DID I GO TOO FAST? Emilia tienes que buscar el articulo que dice candy cane/// ya gracias HELLO CHARLENE AND KATE? DID I LOSE YOU, OR ARE YOU FOLLOWING ALONG OK? I'm okay 06i'm trying to use two colors... need to look at those sites IT MAY WORK BEST TO HAVE THE 2 COLORS OF THREAD IN HAND AND SEE WHERE YOU CAN MAKE THE COLORS SHOW UP THEN SEE IF YOU CAN MAKE THE CANDY CANE. I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO VISUALIZE THIS SOMETIMES. HAVING THREAD AND NEEDLE/SHUTTLES HELPS THAT'S ALL FOR LESSON 2 THEN. HOW ABOUT WE START TALKING ABOUT JOINS - LESSON 3? NEEDLE TATTERS ARE LUCKY- JOINS ARE EASY FOR THEM. 06i'm comfortable with joins AFTER ALL, THEIR NEEDLE FITS THROUGH THE PICOTS SHUTTLE TATTERS, THOUGH, HAVE TO DO SOME MORE MANIPULATING TO MAKE JOINS Emilia .... Terminamos la clase 2, comenzamos la clase 3 12charlene working with a needle and 2 colors you will have to cut off the ball for both colors and rethread needle each time with the core thread MOST PICOTS ARE TOO SMALL TO PUT A SHUTTLE THROUGH :)) 12my scans show this better with the candy cane demo BUT THERE ARE SOME SPECIAL JOINS THAT WILL HELP NEEDLE TATTERS DID YOU BOTH LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF THE "CLASSIC ROSETTE"? http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/springideas.html IT'S THE PINK FLOWER AT THE BEGINNING (IGNORE THE BEADS FOR NOW) 06no, i didn't go into lesson 3 HOW ABOUT TAKING A LOOK. IT'S A PRETTY FLOWER No I didn't either AND IT FORMS THE BASIS OF MANY PATTERNS, ANTIQUE AND OTHERWISE. IT WILL LOOK VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE PHOTO IF YOU DO YOUR USUAL JOIN OF PUTTING THE NEEDLE THROUGH THE PICOT THE "VALLEYS" WILL NOT BE SO MUCH LIKE A "v" AFTER YOU PULL THE THREAD THROUGH AND TENSION THEY WILL BE FLATTER AND WILL GET EVEN FLATTER THE MORE YOU PULL * kate has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) * Tatter has joined #tatchat * Tatter is now known as Kate wb KATE! 12wb :) I STAYED QUIET UNTIL YOU COULD GET BACK. Sorry, I don't know what I did ANYWAY, WHAT TATTERS HAVE TO DO IN THIS SITUATION OF JOINING TO A PICOT BELOW THE WORK WILL REALLY HELP NEEDLE TATTERS TOO EEK, WHERE DID i GO? IT'S INTERESTING TYPING WITHOUT SEEING MY WORDS. CAN YOU ALL SEE THEM? 12yes Yes 06yes NOW I'M BACK. THANKS. ANYWAY, FOR SHUTTLE TATTERS, THE RULE IS: JOIN TO THE PICOT WITH THE CLOSEST THREAD. CLOSEST THREAD TO THE PICOT, THAT IS. SO IN THIS CASE, THE THREAD FROM THE SHUTTLE (NEEDLE) IS CLOSEST TO THE PICOT WHEN YOU'VE FINISHED YOUR CHAIN THAT IS HEADING TO THE PICOT THIS IS A STRANGE MOTION! BUT IF YOU DO PULL THE SHUTTLE/NEEDLE THREAD THROUGH THE PICOT, THEN PUT THE SHUTTLE/NEEDLE THROUGH THE LOOP MADE YOU CAN JOIN TO THE PICOT BELOW. YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, THOUGH BEFORE YOU EVEN START THIS KIND OF JOIN YOU MUST TENSION UP YOUR CHAIN - PULL THE NEEDLE THROUGH AND TENSION IT TO THE TIGHTNESS YOU LIKE THEN YOU MAKE THE JOIN TAKING GREAT CARE TO KEEP THE JOIN RIGHT NEXT TO THE END OF THE CHAIN - LEAVE NO GAPS OTHERWISE, IT'S GAPSOSIS AGAIN (ARGH!!) THERE'S A REASON THIS JOIN IS CALLED THE LOCK JOIN AFTER YOU MAKE IT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET OUT... AND ONCE YOU'VE MADE IT, YOUR CHAIN WILL STAY THE SAME SHAPE 12and if you are going to get a gap anywhere this is where it will be!!!! AFTER ONE OR TWO TRIES, YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO PULL THE THREAD THROUGH YET KEEP THE JOIN IN PLACE I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO MAKE ONE OF THESE AS HOMEWORK. THERE IS A NEW TERM IN THAT PATTERN THAT WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT YET: MOCK PICOT 06is what you've been describing the same as 'climb out'? EXACTLY! THIS IS BASICALLY LEAVING A THREAD SPACE ON BOTH THE NEEDLE/SHUTTLE AND BALL THREADS AND THEN KNOTTING THEM TOGETHER THE THREAD SPACES SHOUDL BE THE SAME LENGTH AS THE PICOT. 12mock picot = climing out YOU HAVE TO LEAVE A MOCK PICOT AFTER FINISHING THE INSIDE RING BUT BEFORE STARTING THE FIRST CHAIN. OTHERWISE, THE CHAIN WILL SNUG RIGHT UP TO THE RING AND THE INSIDE OF THE ROSETTE WILL NOT LOOK RIGHT Okay IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY CLEVER TOOL TO KEEP YOU FROM HAVING TO STOP AND CUT YOUR THREAD HIDE THE ENDS, THEN TIE ON AGAIN. Emilia mock picot = subir (escalar) YOU AVOID ALL THAT WITH THE MOCK PICOT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THE AVOIDANCE OF ENDS I MEAN? 06yes THAT'S ENOUGH FOR TONIGHT THEN. FOR NEXT WEEK'S LESSON, WE WILL CONTINUE WITH LESSON 3. ya gracias Thank you LESSON 3 IS RATHER "MEATY" 06thanks! SO IT MAY TAKE YOU SOME TIME TO READ THROUGH. 12needless to say.... any questions between now and then please email us Mimi thanks (IT'S ALSO WHY I WAS PUSHING TO START ON IT TONIGHT :)) DE NADA EMILIA * Kate has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) THANK YOU FOR COMING 12mimi thanks for doing the class tonight :) AND SEE YOU BACK HERE NEXT WEDNESDAY AT 9PM EASTERN TIME MEATIME, I'LL PUT THE LOG ON THE LESSON 2 PAGE JUST LIKE I DID FOR LESSON 1 06see ya'll next time - 'night SO THAT YOU MAY GO IN AND REVIEW IF YOU NEED TO. NIGHT ALL AND HAPPY TATTING. 12night all..... think i am going to go collapse now :) * Anita has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) GET WELL SOON ANITA!! * Charlene has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) THANKS FOR COMING, CARMEN YOUR KIND TRANSLATIONS WERE A REAL LIFE-SAVER! A BIG HELP I JUST REMEMBERED SOMETHING. What was my debut as a trnaslator? YOU DID VERY WELL CARMEN Traductor TRANSLATOR gracias Carmen por tu ayuda I BELIEVE WALESKA SOSA USED TO HAVE A SPANISH LANGUAGE TATTING GROUP AND WEBSITE DO YOU KNOW IT? Good to see you again and anita take care and get weel ASAP She in charge of the MSN Groups - Frivolite and I think she has a Web site in Spanish WOULD EMILIA FIND IT HELPFUL? I FEEL BADLY I CANNOT TEACH IN SPANISH. MAYBE YOU CAN TALK TO GEORGIA ABOUT LEADING A CLASS IN SPANISH? Emilia ....Wally tiene una pagina Web de Frivolite en castellano? si Mimi no!! but I think I can come over and help like tonight Carmen me le puedes preguntar a Mimi como se compensa lo nus cuando hay un pico por ejemplo 5-5 los primeros 5 parecen 4 I Didn't mean to scare you :) It was just a thought, Emilia said that Wally has a Tatting Web Page on Spanish And I'm very grateful for your help que si secula es la pagina de Wally? cual es si esta Frivolite@groups.msn.com i found : http://groups.msn.com/Frivolite